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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Census Lookup and Resource Requests => Topic started by: Cyfrifydd on Wednesday 17 August 16 15:47 BST (UK)
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I wonder if someone with census access could let me know the details of Margaret Samuel and any others who were living at on farm called Blaenant (or Blaen-nant), Llanelly (now spelt Llanelli) in 1851.
I've received a death certificate for William Thomas who died on 17th July 1853 at a farm called Baile (or Baily), Llanelly. The two farms aren't far apart and Margaret Samuel was the informant. I though he was an ancestor but his age at the date of his death is given as 33, whereas I thought it should have been about 54/55. I know death ages aren't necessarily too reliable.
I'm looking into the possibility that the deceased is the next generation down, but other things seem to sugest that that's not the case.
Cheers
Cyfrifydd
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You can access the transcript on familysearch :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZQ-XL6
The full address , not given here, is Blaennant, Llanelly
HO107 2468 454 8
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Thanks CB53.
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The age at death of William Thomas is interesting. On the 1851, there are two William Thomas at Baily - the elder (farmer), aged 52 and his son, aged 24. ( a couple of pages on from Margaret Samuel)
I'm wondering if the death cert might be wrong - was it from the local reg office or was it from the GRO? Also, what was the occupation?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Yes, that's my problem exactly. The GRO death cert says (dod) seventeenth July 1853, Baile, Llanelly, William Thomas, 33 years, Farmer, cancer of the pylorus, the mark of Margaret Samuel, present at the death, Blaenant, Llanelly. The age, 33, is very plain, both figures '3' are the same and can't be mistaken for 5s.
There's more work to be done on this one!
I don't know if I'm allowed to post a copy of the cert, or any part of it. If the '33' had been '53' I don't think I'd have any problems.
Pylorus was a new one on me. I think it's stomach cancer.
Cheers
Cyfrifydd
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Hi again
If you obtained it from the local registrar's office in Carmarthenshire, it would show what was entered in the 'book'. If it was obtained from the GRO in London, it would be a copy of what was sent to the GRO in that particular quarter. I'm thinking that it could well be a transcription error. Is it possible to check up with the local office in Carmarthenshire?
It might be worth checking if the son appears on the 1861census.
Pylorus = the sphincter between the stomach and the duodenum.
Gadget
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Had a further thought - the Nat Lib of Wales has the pre-1856 Wills. He might have left one. I'll ahve a quick look but am pushed for time at the moment.
Added - link in case: https://www.llgc.org.uk/discover/nlw-resources/wills/
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:D
Found his will - will get on with reading it - difficult on my tablet but it is there.
This link might work for you:
https://viewer.library.wales/481641#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&z=0.0463%2C0.4876%2C0.7145%2C0.7363
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I've seen the will, too - I don't feel it's really very helpful. His wife is referred to, but not by name.
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It was made on July 12th - just before he died. Proved in 1854. I think it feels like a man in his 50s not his 30s..
Check the 1861. I honestly believe it's a transcription error on the death record.
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In 1861 Hannah Thomas, widow, head, 61. was at Baily farming 50 acres. Also there was William, 34, son, and other children and grand-children.
So, Gadget, it looks like your hunch is probably right - a transciption error in the local registrar's office in Carmarthenshire. I'll try to contact them and I'll post any follow-ups.
Many thanks for your interest.
Cheers
Cyfrifydd
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Gadget, the registrar's office in Llanelli confirms that the (recorded) age at the date of death was 33 (thirty three). It's strange. I'll have to do more work.
Cheers
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I'm sure it's him though! Even in Welsh there's a lot of difference in sound between tri deg and pum deg :-\
I had a similar problem with one of my line in North Wales. He was registered as 60 when he died but he was actually 71. The info was also provided by a neighbour.
I've checked burials and available newspapers but haven't found anything so far. How far are you from Llanelli as there might be a monumental inscription.
Gadget
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I'm sure it's him too! Everything else ties up. I'm in Brecon, about 40 or so miles from Llanelli where I still have family. There are several avenues for me to follow up.
Thanks for all your help.
Cheers
Cyfrifydd
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You've probably noted this but just in case. There was a Baptist minister staying with them on the 1851. Not sure how good the non-con records are for down there.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanelli/Chapels
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Yes, I'd noticed the Baptist minister. Haven't done anything about him - I felt he was a bit removed.
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Just that they were quite likely to be Baptists so that any burial service, etc. would likely be in a Baptist chapel. there might give some info in some of the records of the chapels that I've linked to.