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Any Help Welcome !
Trying to find out who this Richard Gibson was.
Richard Gibson was a barrel maker cooper in Wren lane Selby 1800 (author 'Mountain') history of Selby 1800 and between 1807 to 1810 his cooper business went bankrupt as newspapers.
George Hood aged 28 a cooper (B1786 - died 1845 Selby) who married Sarah Russel 1815 in Selby took over the Cooper business in Wren lane Selby by 1812
Tynemouth
We have a John Hood a mariner b 1756 married to an Elizabeth Gibson in Newcastle 1779
and a George Hood son of John Hood baptized Gateshead 1786
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Principle inhabitants at the last few pages of the book in link below
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TaBbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR3&dq=history+of+selby+1800+mountain&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=history%20of%20selby%201800%20mountain&f=false
Thus trying to see if there is a connection between Elizabeth Gibson who married John Hood 1779 Newcastle and Richard Gibson the cooper Wren lane Selby on the trades directory history
of Selby book 1800 and Marriage below 1792.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLX3-2Z9
Richard Gibson
Birth Date 1766
Age 26
Spouse's Name Elianor Wainwright
Spouse's Birth Date 1761
Spouse's Age 31
Event Date 30 Oct 1792
Event Place Selby,York,England
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Not much help but anyone that looked into Richards wife, this info may help
When Elianor married Richard Gibson ( he was aged 26 years at marriage) she was a widow aged 31 years.
Her former husband was a Jeremiah Wainwright her maiden surname being Corbert
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Richard and Eleanor had a few children, but from the baptism of his daughter Elizabeth in 1800
Elizabeth daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer, and by Elizabeth his wife daughter of --- Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland
So looking for a Richard Gibson born c 1766 near Newcastle son of Thomas and Elizabeth.
EDIT:
Elianor daughter of Leonard Colbert, woodman of Selby, by Elianor his wife daughter of Matthew Lofthouse of Seathingwell in the parish of Saxon, farmer.
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Richard and Eleanor had a few children, but from the baptism of his daughter Elizabeth in 1800
Elizabeth daughter of, and by Elizabeth his wife daughter of --- Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland
So looking for a Richard Gibson born c 1766 near Newcastle son of Thomas and Elizabeth.
Hi Claire
Quote you
Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer
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That info is brill find and answers the link Between Selby and Newcastle/Gateshead Tynemouth link
Thanks Dobby
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I've been reading these threads Re George Hood for weeks, and thoroughly enjoyed the read :)
I'm glad I could help in a tiny way :)
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I think you may have found info to crack one of the Rootschat biggest brick walls in its history.
Tiny - more mighty - like the Wallis bouncing bombs of Dambuster raid that cracked to dams of Germany
;D
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Elizabeth daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer.................................................................................................
:o :o :o :o :o
That may well be a massive breakthrough.
Frank, (Also following every thread re George Hood ;D )
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Thomas Gibson married Elizabeth Brown 27 Sep 1756 Newcastle, St. Andrew
Possible baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
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Thomas Gibson married Elizabeth Brown 27 Sep 1756 Newcastle, St. Andrew
Possible baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
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Elizabeth Gibson daughter of Thomas Gibson baptism 05 Aug 1759
ALL SAINTS,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
John Hood age 23 X Elizabeth Gibson age 21 (b1758) marriage of intent bond allegation Dec 15th 1779 in Newcastle
George Hood Cooper Wren lane Selby baptized 1786 Gateshead son of John Hood
Possible George Hood d 1845 nephew of Richard Gibson Cooper Wren lane Selby
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This is looking very good ;D
Alter the baptism of Elizabeth ~ father Thomas HOOD at the moment
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This is looking very good ;D
Alter the baptism of Elizabeth ~ father Thomas HOOD at the moment
I've altered the error :-[ thanks for spotting it.
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Possible baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
For what it's worth here's the relevant baptism from the Durham Bishops Transcripts (bottom of colum 3) The word after Gibson is his occupation ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i8y/
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He was a labourer in another record found but can't make that out at all ???
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He was a labourer in another record found but can't make that out at all ???
Comparing with other entries higher up in the same column, I suspect it might be Yeo[man]
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Have edited my first post to show Elianor Colbert/Wainwright/Gibson's parentage
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Elizabeth daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer, and by Elizabeth his wife daughter of --- Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland
Brilliant find Claire.... I too have been following these posts with interest.
Northumberland Archives have this, amongst others:
Ref no: NRO 00672/A/15/27
Title: Bond for Thomas Coulherd, weaver, residing in the house of Richard Gibson in Within the Hall Gate, Hexham, Northumberland.
Date: 4 January 1684
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I'd treat that with a little caution :-\
Hallgate is the name of a street in Hexham.
But the baptism says Halls Gates near Newcastle.
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Was it this Halls Gate at Town Moor, Newcastle on Tyne?
(from Looking back - 1765 - Newcastle Courant 1892)
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I'd treat that with a little caution :-\
Hallgate is the name of a street in Hexham.
But the baptism says Halls Gates near Newcastle.
Yes, I was a little uncertain due the distance, but thought it was worth mentioning even if just to rule out.
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TYNE & WEAR ARCHIVES USER GUIDE 7 GUILD RECORDS This ...
Put 'Newcastle apprentice records 18th century' in a search engine
Coopers: articles 1497; minutes 1672-1952; orders and rules 1576-1831; apprentice and admission books 1637-1908; membership 1799-c1960; fines books 1796-1884; accounts 1739-1840; apprenticeship indentures 1711-1823 (indexed) Ref: GU.CO (part MF), 298
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Yes, I was a little uncertain due the distance, but thought it was worth mentioning even if just to rule out.
I'm a bit more inclined to think it's the one I mentioned in post #17. Cant find it on a map though.
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Yes, I was a little uncertain due the distance, but thought it was worth mentioning even if just to rule out.
I'm a bit more inclined to think it's the one I mentioned in post #17. Cant find it on a map though.
Yes, I'd tend to agree that it looks a better bet.
Where's Stan when you need him... ;D
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I cant get shrink link to work at the moment, but there's this reference to Hall's Gate, which also places it close to Town Moor:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kYYHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22hall's+gate%22+newcastle&source=bl&ots=Bcawp_TtoB&sig=4VEMP7VJKudIDm02Zmen0R4PELs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjy8IOPxNDOAhXF1RoKHSDeAnAQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22hall's%20gate%22%20newcastle&f=false
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I can easily find Nuns Moor on the old maps, but no sign of Halls Gate. I think it's long gone.
At least we've established an approximate location.
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I'll hand the thread over to member BushInn1746 (Mark) now who's ancestry are these Hood's of Selby
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Hello All
Oh, Wow! Thanks, Thanks to dobby's persistence! I can't take it in yet, are you saying Richard Gibson and George Hood were Cousins?
I'll still need to put it into a tree (with lines), until I get used to it.
If Hall's Gate Newcastle was near Town Moor, then see the map attachment.
When the map is enlarged there is even a [George] 'Hood Street' to the South.
Possibly George Hood (died Selby 18 September 1845) buried here, somewhere?
Kind regards Mark
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I think we are saying Richard Gibsons sister Elizabeth married John Hood, therefore George is Richards Nephew ;D
... I think that's what we are saying ::)
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Hello All
Oh, Wow! Thanks,I'll still need to put it into a tree (with lines), until I get used to it.
If Hall's Gate Newcastle was near Town Moor, then see the map attachment.
When the map is enlarged there is even a [George] 'Hood Street' to the South.
Possibly George Hood (died Selby 18 September 1845) buried here, somewhere?
Kind regards Mark
Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson Born 1759 daughter of Thomas Gibson Newcastle- wife of John Hood married 1779 Newcastle mother of George Hood b 1786 Gateshead is sister of Richard Gibson b 1762 son of Thomas Gibson Newcastle
Thus Richard Gibson Cooper is uncle of George Hood both Coopers Wren lane Selby
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Hello All
Oh, Wow! Thanks, Thanks to dobby's persistence! I can't take it in yet, are you saying Richard Gibson and George Hood were Cousins?
I'll still need to put it into a tree (with lines), until I get used to it.
If Hall's Gate Newcastle was near Town Moor, then see the map attachment.
When the map is enlarged there is even a [George] 'Hood Street' to the South.
Possibly George Hood (died Selby 18 September 1845) buried here, somewhere?
Kind regards Mark
Have to say Claire and behind the scenes BumbleB & Goughy persistence made the breakthrough.
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I only did my little bit thanks to the masses of information yourself and Bushin1746 have put on these threads ;D
It's been fascinating to keep up with it all :)
I know there have been others who contributed just can't remember names.
:)
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Hello dobfarm, Claire and All
On the attached, old 1" scale Ordnance Engraving the Halls are named as Coxlodge Hall, Gosforth and Fenham Hall.
I have reduced the map size to 80%, but clarity is lost if reduced anymore (not to original scale).
To the South of Fenham Hall, the road West-North-West out of Newcastle upon Tyne passes a place marked "Hall". Possibly gated, called Hall gate?
The Town Moor, the two districts of St Andrew and St John are marked.
Regards Mark
EDIT: Condercvm (Roman Fort), Newcastle upon Tyne
Fenhall Hall was built/held by William Ord and John Ord
http://broadsides.me.uk/music/ordname.htm
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To the South of Fenham Hall, the road West-North-West out of Newcastle upon Tyne passes a place marked "Hall". Possibly gated, called Hall gate?
That's just off Westgate.
We've established that Halls Gate is by or on Town Moor or Nuns Moor, which are some little distance to the north (you can see them on your map).
I don't think this is the place referred to (sorry).
I've spent a large part of the evening going through many old maps of Newcastle and I have had no luck at all.
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An internet search - Hood of Fenham Hall Newcastle gives an article from an 1828 Volume of The Gardeners Magazine (snippet attached).
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dBwFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA293&lpg=PA293&dq=Hood+of+Fenham+Hall&source=bl&ots=VRp7f2Xa1U&sig=5cOCPVcRCR2zAivbtuk_q79Addk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju9sOx69DOAhUIIMAKHZKbARQQ6AEIRjAJ#v=onepage&q=Hood%20of%20Fenham%20Hall&f=false
James Graham Clarke Esq. of Fenham Hall.
Buller's Lord Hood possibly a species though?
Thank you, also to Goughy and Bumblebee, with whom I had email contact with (also off board) and Stan who went Cemetery searching and others who contributed to all my threads.
Regards Mark
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kYYHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA174&dq=hall%27s+gate+newcastle&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=hall's%20gate%20newcastle&f=false
All I can think another local name for Cowgate or Gates to a Hall on Nuns moor edge and Town moor ???
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Heres a list of some of the gates ~ there are lots of them on there :o
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/newcastle-historical-account/pp105-117
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Wonder if the Gibsons are from this family ~ Thomas Gibson and Elizabeth Brown married here
https://archive.org/stream/collectionofarmo00rich#page/n335/mode/2up
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Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson Born 1759 daughter of Thomas Gibson Newcastle- wife of John Hood married 1779 Newcastle mother of George Hood b 1786 Gateshead is sister of Richard Gibson b 1762 son of Thomas Gibson Newcastle
Thus Richard Gibson Cooper is uncle of George Hood both Coopers Wren lane Selby
Hello dobfarm
Done my diagram, just to clarify you mean ...
Richard Gibson cooper is uncle to George Hood
Kind regards, Mark
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Wonder if the Gibsons are from this family ~ Thomas Gibson and Elizabeth Brown married here
https://archive.org/stream/collectionofarmo00rich#page/n335/mode/2up
Hello Claire
Thank you.
On page 20, there is a Richard Gibson of Newcastle, Chapman, died 1718 and in his Will he Gave to the Poor of this Parish of St Andrew thirty pounds.
Kind regards, Mark
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Lets not forget Thomas Gibson was a labourer of Hall's gate and John Hood who married Elizabeth Gibson was a mariner of Newcastle -not exactly aristocrats vocations
Assuming Richard Gibson the Cooper his dad a labourer had no wealth himself, then his older wife Mrs Wainwright nee Corbert maybe the source of Richard the cooper - wealth
Jeremiah Wainwright if he left a will maybe interesting
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Only one that fits
John Hood X Mary Davison married 8th May 1756 Chester Le Street, Washington, near Sunderland Durham county (George Hood of Selby -his Grand parents -?)
John Hood batptized 13 March 1757 son of John and Mary Hood in Cat Deans stable, Chester Le Street, Washington, near Sunderland Durham county (George Hood of Selby father John Hood a mariner went on to marry Elizabeth Gibson Newcastle 1779 John Hood states born 1756 on bond allegation -?)
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Hello dobfarm, Claire and All
On the attached, old 1" scale Ordnance Engraving the Halls are named as Coxlodge Hall, Gosforth and Fenham Hall.
I have reduced the map size to 80%, but clarity is lost if reduced anymore (not to original scale).
To the South of Fenham Hall, the road West-North-West out of Newcastle upon Tyne passes a place marked "Hall". Possibly gated, called Hall gate?
The Town Moor, the two districts of St Andrew and St John are marked.
Regards Mark
EDIT: Condercvm (Roman Fort), Newcastle upon Tyne
Fenhall Hall was built/held by William Ord and John Ord
http://broadsides.me.uk/music/ordname.htm
Hello Claire, dobfarm and All
I have briefly edited my original post (quoted above) with additional information. The old Ordnance Engraving I posted (Reply 30 on this thread, page 4) indicates the location of Roman Fort Condercvm / Condercum.
Also, this Halls Gates that you mention Claire, could it be Walls Gates?
Because there is a Roman Fort on the road between Fenham Hall and Benwell, Newcastle.
Type into Google "Condercvm Roman Fort" Newcastle upon Tyne
and pick the following for a modern map ...
Map of Condercvm (Roman Fort) - Saturday Walkers Club
On Pastcape ID No. 25041 Benwell Roman Fort
http://www.pastscape.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=25041
My old engraving shows the Roman Antiquity on the main road, so likely a Gate [with a either wall of soil, or defensive ditch, either side of the gate].
Fenhall Hall was built/held by William Ord and John Ord
http://broadsides.me.uk/music/ordname.htm
Thank you all.
Kind regards, Mark
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Assuming Richard Gibson the Cooper his dad a labourer had no wealth himself, then his older wife Mrs Wainwright nee Corbert maybe the source of Richard the cooper - wealth
Jeremiah Wainwright if he left a will maybe interesting
The birth of Richard's son, Thomas, records his father as "Farmer" and on his daughter's birth "labourer". Jeremiah Wainwright died aged 25 in 1787. He was a waterman. No Probate/Will listed.
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Also, this Halls Gates that you mention Claire, could it be Walls Gates? Because there is a Roman Fort on the road between Fenham Hall and Benwell, Newcastle.
I took a look at the original of the baptism the Claire mentioned, and it definitely said Halls Gates.
The Roman Fort you refer to, Condercum, was adjacent to Westgate. The documentary evidence Jomot and I have found suggests that Walls Gate was associated with either the Town Moor or nearby Nuns Moor, which are a little distant from the area of Condercum
There are many excellent old maps of Newcastle here, https://newcastlecollection.newcastle.gov.uk/maps I have looked at all of them but cannot find Walls Gate.
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After phoning my cousin who lives in Durham but knows Newcastle-The 'Halls gates' were the entry gates to Fenham Hall drive local name now for the busy T junction
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After phoning my cousin who lives in Durham but knows Newcastle-The 'Halls gates' are the entry gates to Fenham Hall drive local name now for the busy T junction
Excellent. Fairly close to what was known as Nun's Moor
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=54.9892&lon=-1.6578&layers=171&right=BingHyb
I can vouch for it being a busy junction ::) :-X
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After phoning my cousin who lives in Durham but knows Newcastle-The 'Halls gates' were the entry gates to Fenham Hall drive local name now for the busy T junction
Excellent. Fairly close to what was known as Nun's Moor
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=54.9892&lon=-1.6578&layers=171&right=BingHyb
I can vouch for it being a busy junction ::) :-X
I've edited my original post replacing the word are to were
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After phoning my cousin who lives in Durham but knows Newcastle-The 'Halls gates' were the entry gates to Fenham Hall drive local name now for the busy T junction
Hello All
Many, many thanks for all your replies.
Thanks dobfarm for the insider info/local Intell., and yes the gates to the Hall, alias Halls Gates, according to the map you posted is depicting a boundary line and on this boundary, of the Moor.
Fenhall Hall was built/held by William Ord and John Ord
http://broadsides.me.uk/music/ordname.htm
Regards Mark
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Apologies, the 'side by side' map I posted earlier was incorrect, here is the one centred on the map dobfarm gave (still close to Nun's Moor)
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=54.9843&lon=-1.6441&layers=171&right=BingHyb
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Cousin said local area nik name 'lower nuns' ??? (if its north of Bradford I'm lost ;D ;D ;D)
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https://newcastlecollection.newcastle.gov.uk/maps/christies-new-plan-newcastle-upon-tyne-and-gateshead-1864
Very top l-h corner shows the lodge, and Nuns Moor around.
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Apologies, the 'side by side' map I posted earlier was incorrect, here is the one centred on the map dobfarm gave (still close to Nun's Moor)
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=54.9843&lon=-1.6441&layers=171&right=BingHyb
On the modern right half map in your link maps! it says 'Nuns moor' in small green letters over Fenham Hall drive
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On the modern right half map in your link maps! it says 'Nuns moor' in small green letters over Fenham Hall drive
Scroll north on the old map you can see the major part of Nuns Moor. There was also a portion of Nun's Moor to the south of Fenham Hall Drive. There are allotments there, which you can see on the r-h map.
The 'Halls gates' were the entry gates to Fenham Hall drive
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3582870
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2019505
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When the map is enlarged there is even a [George] 'Hood Street' to the South.
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Just wondering ...
Hood Street, possibly named after a former Mayor John Lionel Hood ?
I very vaguely recall as a small boy, my Grandmother recalling the Lionel as an old predecessor name in the family?
Regards Mark
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Going back to cooper/mariner Hood ancestry not the posh Hood's ???,
With George Hood d 1845 Selby son James having a child in Sunderland and later living in Durham-with Gateshead/Gibson's from Newcastle to the North and 'Houghton le spring' to the east
Chester le Street on the river wear !!! seems maybe the roots of your Hood's
That's where I would look for George's missing burials
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RE: the name Leonard
Richard Gibsons wife Elianor Colbert/Wainwright ~ her father was a Leonard also
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Hoods of Newcastle, Gateshead
1st Oct 1786 Gateshead, Baptism - Geo: Son of John Hood
Gateshead St Marys Baptism ... Geo: S. of John Hood
1787 Whitehead's Newcastle Directory, printed by T. Angus
Alphabetical List of the People in Trade, &c. in GATESHEAD, COUNTY OF DURHAM.
Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore
John Hood of Gateshead was the Publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory (later known as The Ship Inn), but for how long is unclear?
Brief Summary of Research on other Hoods in Gateshead and Newcastle
1787 Directory also lists:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.
1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant Saturday 7 October 1786
Robert Hood, from Newcastle, Begs Leave to acquaint his friends and the Public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND, lately occupied by Mr Ridley, and has fitted it up in a commodius manner for Gentlemen, Travellers and others; and hopes by a strict attention to merit the countenance of the public.
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.
Looks like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.
Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA
1799 Anthony Hood of Newcastle
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit, p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."
Newcastle Journal, 22 September 1832
In this town, in Pandon-bank, on the 13th inst., Mr Jas. Faddy, Jun. aged 30: and on the 19th inst. Mrs Hood, sister of the above.
Newcastle Journal, 4th October 1834
In Eldon-square, in this town, on the 29th ult. aged 75, Mrs Hood, relict of the late Anthony Hood, Esq. of Wallsend.
1842
April 1. Georgia of Newcastle an Indiaman, Captain Mitchell, ... was lost by fire.
The Georgia was the property of Messrs. Anthony Hood and Co., of Newcastle.
Found my Notes re ...
John Lionel Hood
Born Heworth, Durham 31st December 1799, Father Anthony Hood and Mother Elizabeth Snowdon.
Newcastle Courant, 4th January 1800
Birth. On Tuesday Mrs Hood, wife of Mr. Anthony Hood, of a son.
London Courier, 26th March 1828
Northumberland and Newcastle Volunteer Yeomanry Cavelry - John Lionel Hood, Gent. vice Loraine, promoted; ... [all dated March 5, 1828]
August 1829
John Lionel Hood married Mary Parker 17 August 1829 at St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian.
Durham County Advertiser 25 July 1829
On the 8th inst. John Lionel Hood, Esq. of Newcastle, to Mary, second daughter of Samuel Walker Parker, Esq. of Scots House.
1839 Bankruptcy Proceedings Issued - John Lionel Hood, Ropemaker of Middlesex
But it went to court ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uwRXAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=%22John+Lionel+Hood%22+of+%22Great+Grimsby%22&source=bl&ots=v1Lwx4VIp_&sig=eL__ybgyY8ErcvQdi-5BYB0ikII&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5gumv8dLOAhVsJsAKHRH8CJgQ6AEIKzAD#v=onepage&q=%22John%20Lionel%20Hood%22%20of%20%22Great%20Grimsby%22&f=false
20th November 1847
On Friday, the 5th inst., at St. John's Wood, London, aged 47, John Lionel Hood, Esq., formerly of Newcastle, and who filled the office of Mayor of that town ...
Thirsk 2nd May 1834
On Friday, the 2d inst., at the Golden Fleece Hotel, Thirsk, the Lady of J. Hood, Esq., of Newcastle of a daughter.-She died next day.
Kind regards, Mark
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An article about the wife of J L Hood dated 2 April 1835
https://archive.org/stream/localrecordsorhi03sykeuoft#page/34/mode/2up
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John Lionel Hood son of Anthony Hood and Elizabeth (nee Snowden) Hood birth 31st Dec 1799 baptized 25th Jan 1800 Heworth Durham
John Lional Hood's mother Elizabeth (nee Snowden) Hood widow Will probate 18 March 1835 left £18000 estate (value millions today)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67N7-1DP?i=121&wc=SDF2-GP8%3A1310040701%3Fcc%3D2365059&cc=2365059
Starts bottom half of page 109
Anthony Hood short Will written 1788, probate 1811. - Estate left to Elizabeth his wife
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QRS-CPB?wc=9PQP-KVF%3A1078429760%3Fcc%3D2358715&cc=2358715
Date of probate: 1 February 1811
will, 18 February 1788 (DPR/I/1/1811/H24/1)
wrapper (DPR/I/1/1811/H24/2)
(No mention of a George Hood a cooper or a John Hood a mariner/innkeeper/publican in either Wills)
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Anthony Hood son of John Hood
Baptism31 October 1758
ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
Abode Newcastle upon Tyne
(( Going by baptism date Anthony Hood 1758 and John Hood mariner marriage 1779 age born 1756 (wife Elizabeth Gibson) could be brothers ??? ))
Re-posted
John Hood X Mary Davison married 8th May 1756 Chester Le Street, Washington, near Sunderland Durham county (George Hood of Selby -his Grand parents -?)
John Hood batptized 13 March 1757 son of John and Mary Hood in Cat Deans stable, Chester Le Street, Washington, near Sunderland Durham county (George Hood of Selby father John Hood a mariner went on to marry Elizabeth Gibson Newcastle 1779 John Hood states born 1756 on bond allegation -?)
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Hello Claire, dobfarm, Goughy, Bumblebee, Jen, Stan and All
Thank you for the information.
You have given me a place to go at, regarding Richard Gibson being Uncle, to George Hood.
I've rechecked the three 1807 dates (from several newspapers) of when Richard Gibson/representatives attended the Guildhall, for his business examinations.
I am going to email the examination dates to Archives and have the Guildhall Hallkeeper's books (all that survive now) copied/photographed for those dates, as I want to see the names of those attending.
Thank you everyone who helped, it must have taken some considerable searching, including all the dead end searches!
Kind regards, Mark
John Hood, Master of the MARY of Inverness at Newcastle Quay in November 1782, possibly the same John Hood who married Elizabeth Gibson at All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne 15 December 1779.
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http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/manorial-documents-register/
http://www.ndfhs.org.uk/pdfs/Vol-6-No-3.pdf
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/marine/facilities/library/
http://libguides.ncl.ac.uk/c.php?g=389236&p=2641192
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/c?_q=newcastle&_st=mdrc&_col=500&_sf=textstman&_naet=M
You needs copies of the micro film original Newcastle all saints PR entries of these two entries below
Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
Elizabeth Gibson daughter of Thomas Gibson baptism 05 Aug 1759
ALL SAINTS,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/default/files/wwwfileroot/leisure-libraries-and-tourism/monumentalinscriptionsmainbody_0.pdf
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/leisure-libraries-and-tourism/libraries/local-studies-and-family-history?opendocument#factsheets
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/AllSaints/ChurchRecords.html
Newcastle, All Saints: Records of baptisms 1600-1963, marriages 1600-1955 and burials 1600-1861 are available at Northumberland Archives Service. Records of baptisms and marriages for the same periods and burials 1600-1853 can be seen at Tyne and Wear Archives Service. Bishops' Transcripts for the period 1762-1868 are deposited at Durham University Library Archives and Special Collections, Palace Green, Durham City. The International Genealogical Index (I.G.I.) includes baptisms 1600-1874 (with gaps) and marriages 1600-1812 for this parish, and Boyd's Marriage Index includes marriages 1600-1812 and banns 1751-1775. Transcripts of baptisms, burials and marriages 1600-1830 and of monumental inscriptions for Newcastle, All Saints are available at Newcastle Central Library, Local Studies Dept., and Gateshead Central Library, Local Studies Dept. have a transcript covering baptisms 1600-1803.
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Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
See my reply #11. I suppose it is possible that the original may contain more detail, but having looked at many of the originals for All Saints as part of my own research I rather doubt it.
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Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
See my reply #11. I suppose it is possible that the original may contain more detail, but having looked at many of the originals for All Saints as part of my own research I rather doubt it.
Looking at the transcript I think occupation is "Yeo" (Yeoman). This "fits" with the baptism details of Richard's son Thomas which Richard gave his father's occupation of "Farmer". Fingers crossed that Elizabeth Gibson's father's occupation is "Yeoman"
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Hi JenB
Mark seems to like to see original or micro film of original docs first hand to make sure he's missed nothing. His threads tend to seem to be long with many posts and simple or short - but very important stuff info can get hidden in the pages of the thread.
Hence reminded him if brother and sister (if George's mother was Elizabeth Gibson wife of John Hood married 1779) Gibson's made Richard Gibson a cooper uncle of George Hood a cooper d 1845. ;)
Ie;- If one baptism had father Thomas Gibson vocation a doctor and another had father Thomas vocation as a farmer meaning there was 2 Thomas Gibson's baptizing children in that time period. - then checking into Richard Gibson a coopers bankruptcy a waste of time
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Looking at the transcript I think occupation is "Yeo" (Yeoman). This "fits" with the baptism details of Richard's son Thomas which Richard gave his father's occupation of "Farmer". Fingers crossed that Elizabeth Gibson's father's occupation is "Yeoman"
That's exactly what I suggested in reply #13 :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6034367#msg6034367
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Again Goughy is only reminding Mark as I did. :)
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Hello All
After we got the suspicion that Selby - George Hood was from elsewhere and I could not find Richard Gibson's Selby Cooper business advertised anywhere, then dobfarm began suggesting that Richard Gibson and George Hood might be related in some way, then I am ...
Kicking myself for not looking at my Selby Parish Transcriptions (on PDF), the Descent as spotted by Claire, for Elizabeth Gibson is wonderfully transcribed, by Yorkshire Parish Registers / YAS! If I had looked, I should have seen Richard Gibson also links back to Hall's Gate, Newcastle.
Latter Day Saints FHC
I very vaguely recall in the 1990s my only visit to the Latter Day Saints FHC, a lady there was suggesting that an attempt to try and link the Gateshead 1st October 1786 Baptism should be made, but it became swallowed up amongst many pages of notes, until dobfarm started suggesting it and quite a few times too!
Hall's Gate, Newcastle
Whilst on the subject of Hall's Gate, Newcastle, see image below from An Impartial History of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, by Baillie, 1801, which is what Jen appears to be suggesting about an adjacent location from Jomot's link and the comments).
It seems, there was some dispute over Leases on the Moors, outside Newcastle.
I am looking at what I need and what can downloaded from the online PRs to link this Gibson-Uncle / Hood-Nephew relationship up and then I'll have a search for any supplementary docs and of course a Burial Register/Grave search, if found in the Newcastle, Northumberland area, that would also support it.
Lionel, probably further back.
Many thanks and kind regards, Mark
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Hall's Gate, Newcastle
Whilst on the subject of Hall's Gate, Newcastle, I found this image below, from An Impartial History of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, by Baillie, 1801, which is what Jen appears to be suggesting about an adjacent location (possibly Jen has seen it too, from her comment).
Yes I had seen it - in Jomot's reply #22 :D
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Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
See my reply #11. I suppose it is possible that the original may contain more detail, but having looked at many of the originals for All Saints as part of my own research I rather doubt it.
Looking at the transcript I think occupation is "Yeo" (Yeoman). This "fits" with the baptism details of Richard's son Thomas which Richard gave his father's occupation of "Farmer". Fingers crossed that Elizabeth Gibson's father's occupation is "Yeoman"
Richard's father was a farmer at Halls gate - a yeoman is interesting -freeholders register maybe worth a look at if one survived.
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Bit of mind wondering.
Thomas Gibson farmer Yeoman could be involved in the land legal dispute of use grazing livestock on the moors or cultivation through the ages
John Hood marriage age 1779 Born 1756 mariner could have left Elizabeth (nee Gibson) Hood to run the ship Inn Gateshead while he was at sea or coasting/packboating
Richard Gibson could have taught George Hood the cooper trade ! but who taught Richard Gibson to be a cooper. ? --Apprentice records on Tyneside maybe.
If John Hood burial Selby 1819 age 82 born 1737 could just have been old enough by 1756/7 to be George Hood d 1845 Granddad.
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Hello All
After we got the suspicion that Selby - George Hood was from elsewhere and I could not find Richard Gibson's Selby Cooper business advertised anywhere, then dobfarm began suggesting that Richard Gibson and George Hood might be related in some way, then I am ...
Kicking myself for not looking at my Selby Parish Transcriptions (on PDF), the Descent as spotted by Claire, for Elizabeth Gibson is wonderfully transcribed, by Yorkshire Parish Registers / YAS! If I had looked, I should have seen Richard Gibson also links back to Hall's Gate, Newcastle.
Latter Day Saints FHC
I very vaguely recall in the 1990s my only visit to the Latter Day Saints FHC, a lady there was suggesting that an attempt to try and link the Gateshead 1st October 1786 Baptism should be made, but it became swallowed up amongst many pages of notes, until dobfarm started suggesting it and quite a few times too!
Hall's Gate, Newcastle
Whilst on the subject of Hall's Gate, Newcastle, see image below from An Impartial History of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, by Baillie, 1801, which is what Jen appears to be suggesting about an adjacent location from Jomot's link and the comments).
It seems, there was some dispute over Leases on the Moors, outside Newcastle.
I am looking at what I need and what can downloaded from the online PRs to link this Gibson-Uncle / Hood-Nephew relationship up and then I'll have a search for any supplementary docs and of course a Burial Register/Grave search, if found in the Newcastle, Northumberland area, that would also support it.
Lionel, probably further back.
Many thanks and kind regards, Mark
I was more bothered about being unable to eliminate George Hood bapt 1786 son of John Hood of Gateshead as another George Hood: either as an infant burial, teenage burial or marriage or even any life. NO -No -Nothing to eliminate but left with only a George Hood marriage age 28 Selby 1815 + born 1787
Then 'Claire' & 'JenB' pops up and 'Goughy' with YEO.(defined as one of a class of lesser freeholders, below the gentry, who cultivated their own land, early admitted in England to political rights.)
Tommy Gibson a farmer/yeoman from Halls gate.
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I did find a brilliant book on archive.org last night. Unfortunately no George Hood or Richard Gibson that I could see, although most of the records were of an earlier date. It may come in handy for someone though.
"The records of the Gateshead Company of Drapers, Tailors, Mercers, Hardware men, Coopers and Chandlers"
:)
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https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1918635
http://forebears.co.uk/england/northumberland/newcastle-upon-tyne
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Expanding Gibson's Selby to see if Richard Gibson was a only Newcastle Gibson in Selby
Is there a father of John Gibson in the Selby Dades parish baptism 1803 below
Elizabeth Gibson 5 August 1803 baptism
SELBY, YORK, ENGLAND
father:
John Gibson
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Expanding Gibson's Selby to see if Richard Gibson was a only Newcastle Gibson in Selby
Is there a father of John Gibson in the Selby Dades parish baptism 1803 below
Elizabeth Gibson 5 August 1803 baptism
SELBY, YORK, ENGLAND
father:
John Gibson
I did check the other Gibson's. They are from a "Selby" based family. Richard is the only one I could find with the Newcastle connections
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Expanding Gibson's Selby to see if Richard Gibson was a only Newcastle Gibson in Selby
Is there a father of John Gibson in the Selby Dades parish baptism 1803 below
Elizabeth Gibson 5 August 1803 baptism
SELBY, YORK, ENGLAND
father:
John Gibson
I did check the other Gibson's. They are from a "Selby" based family. Richard is the only one I could find with the Newcastle connections
There was always a chance Richard's father Thomas Gibson moved North from Selby by 1800 but doubtful if he was an established farmer/yeoman- Yet farm ag labourers did move about like gypsies being bachelors before marriage or if widowed able to move around without ties and sometimes auctioned their labour at markets ? hence greater distance between jobs on farms (More seasonal work)-Navigation workers on canals/railways were the same.
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Scenario.
John Hood son of William Hood baptized 31st May 1737 Gosforth ( near Town moor Newcastle) Northumberland
married 8 May 1756 aged 19 to 20 to Mary Davison Chester-Le-Street, Durham
Son John Hood (mariner) baptized 1757 Chester-Le-Street, Durham, England (married Eizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle)
later 2nd wife - Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner burial Selby 1803
John Hood Died Selby aged 82 (born estimate 1737) buried 1819 ?
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Thanks for all the replies.
What I don't yet know, is whether John Hood, Mariner who married Elizabeth Gibson, December 1779 is the same, as the one:-
i) at Newcastle Quay in November 1782 with the vessel - MARY of Inverness?
ii) who was a Publican of the Ship, South Shore, Gateshead, in the 1787 Directory?
If George's father John Hood was Gateshead based in 1786, then he could be the Publican of the "Ship", hopefully there are some Victuallers Registers, or Licences, to determine when and how long John Hood was Publican of the Ship, somewhere?
Two of the Hoods at Gateshead checked ...
A Gateshead, 7th October 1792 Baptism for Sarah Hood, gives her father as Francis Hood.
A later 1st October 1810 burial at Gateshead for Rebecca Hood age 23 [birth about 1787], is also a daughter of Francis Hood, pitman.
Click the cross on the menu window, covering the Register underneath it and see images 140 & 789
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-Y8H?mode=g&i=91&owc=collection%2F1309819%2Fwaypoints&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Hoods of Gateshead
1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, marriage ...
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU0oAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=%22Hood+of+Gateshead%22&source=bl&ots=h0-xGupdtP&sig=3HR3eUWuuWP7L9YMNfsMYiAOY4Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMn7WA-dbOAhXqLsAKHfIpBrEQ6AEIIjAB
Whether, George Hood's parents were Gateshead based and whether the other Hoods at Gateshead are linked to my George Hood, remains to be seen.
Kind regards, Mark
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What we know Gateshead was a port and Ship Inn was situated in that port about a 10 minute walk over a bridge from Newcastle. (Near as one location)
We know Richard Gibson's father Thomas Gibson was from or was in Newcastle 1800
We know both Richard Gibson and George Hood d 1845 were both coopers of Wren Lane Selby
We know it takes years to learn a highly skilled trade as a cooper
We know John Hood who married Elizabeth Gibson 1779 in Newcastle was a mariner
We know George baptized 1786 son of John Hood in Gateshead (virtual Newcastle) seems to have no record of him after his baptism in any format.
What we don't know was the occupation (that could have been combined vocations with his wife) of John hood father of George Hood bapt 1786 in Gateshead.
What we don't know is an age generation reference for John Hood Innkeeper of the Ship Inn Gateshead -middle aged man as dad say born 1757 or an older man like a granddad born 1737 of George Hood bapt 1786--or a John Hood with no connect to Gateshead an innkeeper who drifts from pub to pub around the country like vicars of churches..
I think if anything though, you can't rule out Selby, you have research it very well and if anything Tyneside/Wearside areas seems places worthy to respect of the need of research of the same level that has been put into the Selby area.
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From reading the threads re the burial of George Hood and a possible Non Conformist burial taking place - the Jane Hood that married Rev Robert Stodhart may be worth looking into further.
A Rev. Robert Stodhart was a Methodist New Connexion minister. Born 1779-1846
Info from stgite.org.uk
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From reading the threads re the burial of George Hood and a possible Non Conformist burial taking place - the Jane Hood that married Rev Robert Stodhart may be worth looking into further.
A Rev. Robert Stodhart was a Methodist New Connexion minister. Born 1779-1846
Info from stgite.org.uk
Keep in mind though George Hood son of John in Gateshead bapt 1786 was Anglican C of E as was George Hood Selby d 1845 childrens Anglican baptisms - an important yardstick many years
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1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, marriage ...
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
I'm losing track of what you already have, so apologies if this is duplicating:
12 Jan 1783 All Saints, Newcastle, Jane Hood d/o John Hood, Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ia6/
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Doesn't look like this is the same Jane as the marriage bond & allegation states her to be a minor and aged 19 & upward. Father was Robert.
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Expanding Gibson's Selby to see if Richard Gibson was a only Newcastle Gibson in Selby
Is there a father of John Gibson in the Selby Dades parish baptism 1803 below
Elizabeth Gibson 5 August 1803 baptism
SELBY, YORK, ENGLAND
father:
John Gibson
I did check the other Gibson's. They are from a "Selby" based family. Richard is the only one I could find with the Newcastle connections
There was always a chance Richard's father Thomas Gibson moved North from Selby by 1800 but doubtful if he was an established farmer/yeoman- Yet farm ag labourers did move about like gypsies being bachelors before marriage or if widowed able to move around without ties and sometimes auctioned their labour at markets ? hence greater distance between jobs on farms (More seasonal work)-Navigation workers on canals/railways were the same.
Regarding Thomas Gibson baptised Selby 9th August 1793, the first son of Richard & Elianor Gibson, occupation Cooper, it says ...
Richd son of Thos Gibson
of Newcastle, Farmer by
Elizth his wife. Elianor
dau of Leonard Colbert of
Selby, Woodman by
Elianor his wife, dau of
Matthew Lofthouse of
Towton, Farmer. Born 7th
Aug
So Richard Gibson, the Cooper, who married at Selby (or his wife Elianor, at least) seems to be at Selby by August 1793.
Jane Hood, January 1783 All Saints, Newcastle Baptism
Thanks Jomot for the All Saints, Newcastle baptism of Jane Hood dau of John Hood, Waterman.
I'm struggling to keep up with the fast pace of this thread.
Regards Mark
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Have just had a quick look through Jane Stodhart nee Hoods PCC Will and it refers to Robert Hood of the Windmill Hills Gateshead Durham.
Wonder if they are related to the Anthony Hood mentioned previously. Am losing track of things slightly .
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1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, marriage ...
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
I'm losing track of what you already have, so apologies if this is duplicating:
12 Jan 1783 All Saints, Newcastle, Jane Hood d/o John Hood, Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ia6/
Edited
Doesn't look like this is the same Jane as the marriage bond & allegation states her to be a minor and aged 19 & upward. Father was Robert.
Thanks Jomot
So Jane Hood who married 1808 possibly linked to Robert Hood the Spirit Dealer, in the 1787 Newcastle Directory.
Regards Mark
1787 Newcastle Directory
Alphabetical LIST of the People in Trade, and their Residence in Newcastle, 1787.
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Hood Anthony, fitter, office, Broad chair
Hood Robt. spirit-dealer, north side, Sandhill
PUBLIC HOUSES.
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Hood Robert, north side Sandhill
ALPHABETICAL LIST of the People in Trade, &c. in Gateshead, County of Durham.
Vicars, clerk and beadle listed.
People in Trade.
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Gibson & Bedlington's brewery, Pipewellgate, m.
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Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore
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Only got the title and sub-title pages and those with the Hoods on, printed from my fiche.
But just noticed under Gateshead and higher up the page, from the John Hood, publican of the ship.
Gibson & Bedlington's brewery, Pipewellgate, m.
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Expanding Gibson's Selby to see if Richard Gibson was a only Newcastle Gibson in Selby
Is there a father of John Gibson in the Selby Dades parish baptism 1803 below
Elizabeth Gibson 5 August 1803 baptism
SELBY, YORK, ENGLAND
father:
John Gibson
I did check the other Gibson's. They are from a "Selby" based family. Richard is the only one I could find with the Newcastle connections
There was always a chance Richard's father Thomas Gibson moved North from Selby by 1800 but doubtful if he was an established farmer/yeoman- Yet farm ag labourers did move about like gypsies being bachelors before marriage or if widowed able to move around without ties and sometimes auctioned their labour at markets ? hence greater distance between jobs on farms (More seasonal work)-Navigation workers on canals/railways were the same.
Regarding Thomas Gibson baptised Selby 9th August 1793, the first son of Richard & Elianor Gibson, occupation Cooper, it says ...
Richd son of Thos Gibson
of Newcastle, Farmer by
Elizth his wife. Elianor
dau of Leonard Colbert of
Selby, Woodman by
Elianor his wife, dau of
Matthew Lofthouse of
Towton, Farmer. Born 7th
Aug
So Richard Gibson, the Cooper, who married at Selby (or his wife Elianor, at least) seems to be at Selby by August 1793.
Jane Hood, January 1783 All Saints, Newcastle Baptism
Thanks Jomot for the All Saints, Newcastle baptism of Jane Hood dau of John Hood, Waterman.
I'm struggling to keep up with the fast pace of this thread.
Regards Mark
So - Thomas Gibson of Newcastle wife Elizth ?
Elizth Lofthouse his wife (Elizabeth-?)
Richard Gibson x Elianor ? Wainwright 30th Oct 1792 Selby
We got
Elizth ????
Elianor Wainright (from Selby Widow nee ????) wife of Richard Gibson
Elianor Colbert dau of Leonard Colbert from Selby
Elianor Lofthouse dau of Matthew Lofthouse from Towton (Battle Towton & Saxton)
Or is it giving Elizth (nee ???? )Gibson (wife of Thomas Gibson) mother and grandmother ???
Or Thomas Gibson's mother ?
Regarding Thomas Gibson baptised Selby 9th August 1793, the first son of Richard & Elianor Gibson, occupation Cooper, it says ...
Richd son of Thos Gibson
of Newcastle, Farmer by
Elizth his wife. Elianor
dau of Leonard Colbert of
Selby, Woodman by
Elianor his wife, dau of
Matthew Lofthouse of
Towton, Farmer. Born 7th
Aug
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Elizabeth is Richard's mother wife of Thomas Gibson
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Just to clarify
Richards parentage (from baptism of son)
Father Thomas Gibson of Newcastle
Mother Elixabeth (no parentage given for her so query her surname
Wife Eleanor (widow Wainwright) was the daughter of Leonard Colbert and Eleanor Lofthouse, Her grandfather was Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner).
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Eleanor Corbert x Jeremiah Wainwright 2 December 1784 Selby, York, England
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Just to clarify
Richards parentage (from baptism of son)
Father Thomas Gibson of Newcastle
Mother Elixabeth (no parentage given for her so query her surname
Wife Eleanor (widow Wainwright) was the daughter of Leonard Colbert and Eleanor Lofthouse, Her grandfather was Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner).
Tanner is interesting
Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner)
Mark has Farmer
Richd son of Thos Gibson
of Newcastle, Farmer by
Elizth his wife. Elianor
dau of Leonard Colbert of
Selby, Woodman by
Elianor his wife, dau of
Matthew Lofthouse of
Towton[, Farmer Born 7th
Aug
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From the baptism record of Richard and Elianors daughter Elizabeth in 1800, probable surname of Richards mothers father was BROWN of Bedlington.
So we need to find an Elizabeth Brown of Bedlington, I think this one looks quite promising
Elizabeth BROWN bpt. 12 June 1729 Bedlington. Parents : RICHARD and Margaret Brown
claire
EDIT: source : FS
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Marriage -have 2 dates (one date could be a Bond Allegation but could not find one in familysearch original Bond Allegations)
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1675690?collectionNameFilter=false
Thomas Gibson X Elizabeth Brown 12 September 1756 St Andrew'S, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland
Thos. Gibson X Eliazbeth Brown 27 September 1756 Saint Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland
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FreeReg only showing one marriage ~ 27th Sept. 1756, so there could be a bond.
RE: Matthew Lofthouse occupation ~ On the baptism of Elizabeth 1800 ~ occupation is definitely FARMER.
The son Thomas baptized 1793 ~ that I would say is FARMER also
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Just to clarify
Richards parentage (from baptism of son)
Father Thomas Gibson of Newcastle
Mother Elixabeth (no parentage given for her so query her surname
Wife Eleanor (widow Wainwright) was the daughter of Leonard Colbert and Eleanor Lofthouse, Her grandfather was Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner).
Tanner is interesting
Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner)
Mark has Farmer
Richd son of Thos Gibson
of Newcastle, Farmer by
Elizth his wife. Elianor
dau of Leonard Colbert of
Selby, Woodman by
Elianor his wife, dau of
Matthew Lofthouse of
Towton[, Farmer Born 7th
Aug
Sorry I'm having a lapse and put Tanner it should be FARMER
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Just to clarify
Richards parentage (from baptism of son)
Father Thomas Gibson of Newcastle
Mother Elixabeth (no parentage given for her so query her surname
Wife Eleanor (widow Wainwright) was the daughter of Leonard Colbert and Eleanor Lofthouse, Her grandfather was Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner).
Tanner is interesting
Mathew Lofthouse of Towton (Tanner)
Mark has Farmer
Richd son of Thos Gibson
of Newcastle, Farmer by
Elizth his wife. Elianor
dau of Leonard Colbert of
Selby, Woodman by
Elianor his wife, dau of
Matthew Lofthouse of
Towton[, Farmer Born 7th
Aug
Sorry I'm having a lapse and put Tanner it should be FARMER
Though it was to good to be true -Tanner would have set eyebrows twitching.
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FreeReg only showing one marriage ~ 27th Sept. 1756, so there could be a bond.
RE: Matthew Lofthouse occupation ~ On the baptism of Elizabeth 1800 ~ occupation is definitely FARMER.
The son Thomas baptized 1793 ~ that I would say is FARMER also
I've got the bond allegation forms for John Hood X Elizabeth Gibson marriage 1779 All Saints Newcastle
946 unindexed Bond and Allegation I had to go through.
Now I have another 800 and odd pages 1756 to go through
Scream ArrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrH ::) !!
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Well done finding the Bond Dobby :) Fingers crossed for the baptism of Elizabeth.
Sterling job you're doing
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Bond and Allegation forms John Hood X Elizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8W-YKF?i=945&wc=M6KL-6MS%3A129234201%2C129234202%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8W-B8P?i=946&wc=M6KL-6MS%3A129234201%2C129234202%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
This is only a mention based of why there seems only George Hood bapt 1786.
I've got a feeling Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson died after 1786 in Gateshead and John Hood married Ann Potts in Monkwearside 1793.
Cant find a marriage but John and Ann Hood started having baptisms in Monkwearmouth from 1794
and Ann daughter of John Hood and Ann Potts was baptized 18th Feb 1797 in Monkwearmouth
Trouble is 1793 bishops transcripts are missing in Monkwearmouth and Bond allegation also missing 1793
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Bond and Allegation forms John Hood X Elizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8W-YKF?i=945&wc=M6KL-6MS%3A129234201%2C129234202%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8W-B8P?i=946&wc=M6KL-6MS%3A129234201%2C129234202%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
I've got a feeling Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson died after 1786 in Gateshead and John Hood married Ann Potts in Monkwearside 1793.
Cant find a marriage but John and Ann Hood started having baptisms in Monkwearmouth from 1794
and Ann daughter of John Hood and Ann Potts was baptized 18th Feb 1797 in Monkwearmouth
Trouble is 1793 bishops transcripts are missing in Monkwearmouth and Bond allegation also missing 1793
Wow! Thank you very much for the Marriage Intention and Bond. Take care to get your rest and refreshments.
Please note that these 'Descent' notes (re Richard Gibson, Cooper) are from the Transcriptions of the Selby Parish Registers, as film or images not yet seen.
A Descriptive and Historical Account of the Town and County of Newcastle Upon Tyne, including the Borough of Gateshead. Volume I. By E. Mackenzie, Author of ...
1827.
Found a John Hood; James Faddy; but no Burial date regarding a section in the book about burials at Ballast Hills, apparently a Dissenters (NC) cemetery.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CPsVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA413&lpg=PA413&dq=%22Town+and+County+of+Newcastle+upon+Tyne%22+%22John+Hood%22&source=bl&ots=ZSHcEtYxT6&sig=jDfEytLJDeCynxP2cHUunPmFV5c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicmt3JxtnOAhVrI8AKHSbXBJ0Q6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=%22Town%20and%20County%20of%20Newcastle%20upon%20Tyne%22%20%22John%20Hood%22&f=false
Uncertain if same John Hood.
Also here (taken from the book it seems) ...
http://www.tynesidesilentcities.com/page_ballasthills_burialground.htm
Already come across Hood / Faddy (page 7, Reply 55 of this thread) in Newcastle Journal, 22 September 1832.
In this town, in Pandon-bank, on the 13th inst., Mr Jas. Faddy, Jun. aged 30: and on the 19th inst. Mrs Hood, sister of the above.
Findagrave for Ballast Hills
has Eleanor Hood Robertson, death 1840 ['Hood' is in italics]
Free BMD has Eleanor Robertson, District - Newcastle upon Tyne.
Kind regards, Mark
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Yes ! I'll give my mind a rest off the Hood's for a while !
As I said earlier, a semi wild picture is forming that seems my fit.
John Hood being a mariner working away a lot-( John's Job links him as a mariner to ports like Wearmouth, Selby, London ports), -----if ? in this scenario mother Elizabeth Gibson (Hood) died just after this George Hood bapt 1786 in Gateshead-----This George now ! an infant loose ball as the saying goes, then he could have been brought up by and educated, trade traing with Gibson's and if John Hood did remarry by 1794 to raise another family, George Hood would not be part of it as tied to his now established school/trade education started before John Hood remarried.
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http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco?type=simple&rgn=full+text&q1=thomas+gibson+&cite1=&cite1restrict=author&cite2=&cite2restrict=author&firstpubl1=1700&firstpubl2=1800&Submit=Search
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004821568.0001.000/1:5?rgn=div1;view=fulltext
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http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco?type=simple&rgn=full+text&q1=thomas+gibson+&cite1=&cite1restrict=author&cite2=&cite2restrict=author&firstpubl1=1700&firstpubl2=1800&Submit=Search
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004821568.0001.000/1:5?rgn=div1;view=fulltext
Hello dobfarm and All
Thank you.
It seems in this earlier edition of Whitehead's Directory 1782 to 1784, from your 2nd link in quote (prior to my 1787 microfiche edition, quoted in Reply 82), there were no Hoods listed, earlier? Unless it has OCR scanning problems?
Also, before John Hood, was Publican of the Ship, it was Wm Finley ...
Finley Wm. publican, ship, South Shore.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004821568.0001.000/55:5?page=root;size=100;view=text
No Hoods only the Robin Hood, pub
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco?didno=004821568.0001.000;firstpubl1=1700;firstpubl2=1800;rgn=works;size=25;sort=occur;start=1;subview=detail;type=boolean;view=reslist;q1=Hood;op3=and;q3=Newcastle
No Hood Anthony and no Hood Robt?
Regards Mark
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Not sure if this one has been put on before, 1st Directory of Newcastle 1778
https://archive.org/stream/firstnewcastledi00whit#page/n8/mode/1up
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Though anything is possible as Hood relationships ! like Anthony Hood ancestry, George Hood mariner of South Shields had link to Scarborourgh area at Cloughton, and the coastal travelling sea & inland large river ports seafaring Hood's seem connected --where Anthony Hood line are business town folk would be more localized.
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Not sure if this one has been put on before, 1st Directory of Newcastle 1778
https://archive.org/stream/firstnewcastledi00whit#page/n8/mode/1up
Claire (you've found the big HIT)
Newcastle 1778
Public houses - Mrs Gibson, 'Ship' near Newgate page 40 in your link 'Claire'
John Hood X Elizabeth Gibson married 1779
'Whitley Bay' is a nice if the sun shines Mark for a holiday
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.0448442,-1.4422083,3a,75y,301.87h,79.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stGGWxbQyg5mXLKb_2SDV2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Are you sure that's the correct one? I thought John Hood was at the 'Ship' on Spicer Lane (1778 in the occupation of Jos. Liddell.)
Or am I mistaken?
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Are you sure that's the correct one? I thought John Hood was at the 'Ship' on Spicer Lane (1778 in the occupation of Jos. Liddell.)
Or am I mistaken?
The 1778 says near Newcastle
Alphabetical LIST of the people in Trade, &c. in Newcaſtle
(For location only Spicer Lane)
•Atkinſon Jane, publican, black horſe, Spicer-lane
1782
http://ota.ox.ac.uk/text/5466.html
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Right thanks. You've all put so much work into this thread I don't want to make any mistakes :)
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Right thanks. You've all put so much work into this thread I don't want to make any mistakes :)
Hi Claire
Its a big coincidence Mrs Gibson is a Publican of a pub call the Ship as well as John Hood
John Hood Bond 1779 says 'without walls but within the liberties' of the town of Newcastle. (meaning just outside)
With in the Walls
Spicer lane
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/newcastle-historical-account/pp160-182
5) After the old wall was pulled down, the east end of the Quayside, from Spicer Lane to Sandgate, was divided by iron rails, and the part next the river was ...
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Are you sure that's the correct one? I thought John Hood was at the 'Ship' on Spicer Lane (1778 in the occupation of Jos. Liddell.)
Or am I mistaken?
Thank you, for this 1778 Directory link. It seems Newcastle and Gateshead are together in the 1778 Directory.
See my Reply 55 page 7 of this thread for 1787 image extract ... Hood John, publican, fhip, South-fhore
North-shore was along the North side of the River.
South-shore was along the South side of the River.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.54
Several Ship pubs, when searching "ship" and "fhip".
Bear in mind this other chap is between Gibson and Hood, if it was the same pub, or same Licence (by transfer-see below).
Even though the Gibson example says 'near New-gate', if it doesn't turn out to be near South-shore, it might very occasionly still be the same License, as old Licences were held by the applicant. Also a pub name could very occasionally transfer to other premises.
Our 200 year old Victuallers Licenses, name the Victualler, Township or Parish name and that he/she must live at their premises and virtually all by then, are giving his/her pub or inn sign name.
Hopefully, an Annual Victuallers Register survives for the whole of the period (giving pub/inn name, with the Applicant and His/Her Bondsman) and it should possible to compare year by year, any changes, by elimination. Also any new pub names which appear, or those which disappear.
Yes dobfarm, late summer break being considered (but just negotiating wife's shopping allowance - Laugh O. Loud).
Kind regards, Mark
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Wife's fhopping allowance
Its venture few hudbands would dare take on :o, even if they knew what the phrafe meaning was about ???, or even heard of before or discuffed of in the pub. ;D
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1801 Trades Directory Newcastle & Gateshead
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/ref/collection/p16445coll4/id/218299
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Hi
Rather ironic the curate at St Peters Monk-Wearmouth is a Thomas Gibson c1790's :)
I don't think this is the John Hood you want ~ this man was a cordwainer, unless he changed occupations.
Daughter Mary Hood bapt. in 1799 father transcribed as Thos. :( he is still a cordwainer. Mother Ann daughter of Thomas Potts
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Hi
Rather ironic the curate at St Peters Monk-Wearmouth is a Thomas Gibson c1790's :)
I don't think this is the John Hood you want ~ this man was a cordwainer, unless he changed occupations.
Daughter Mary Hood bapt. in 1799 father transcribed as Thos. :( he is still a cordwainer. Mother Ann daughter of Thomas Potts
Good elimination Claire- not that there is a lot to eliminate
That was always a wild card -based on the 1786 of Gateshead George Hood of John Hood occupation unknown (Publican ?) baptism seeming a lone baptism. as why ? (South shore)
John Hood of Newcastle to Eliz Gibson 1779 was a mariner and not a local publican. (North shore)
Being precise John Hood was a mariner and bondsman a waterman on the bond allegation forms - Waterman is a man working on things associated with river crafts and mariners work on sea craft to sail to unknown ports.
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John Hood of Newcastle to Eliz Gibson 1779 was a mariner and not a local publican. (North shore)
Being precise John Hood was a mariner and bondsman a waterman on the bond allegation forms - Waterman is a man working on things associated with river crafts and mariners work on sea craft to sail to unknown ports.
I'm losing track of what you already have, so apologies if this is duplicating:
12 Jan 1783 All Saints, Newcastle, Jane Hood d/o John Hood, Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ia6/
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Right so what we have is
John Hood ( mariner) marries Elizabeth Gibson.
A possible daughter JANE bapt. 1783 (occ. now Waterman)
Son George bapt. 1786 ( occ. mariner ? )
Two questions: Is it likely John Hood could easily change occupations ( Mariner to Waterman) ?
We have no Apprenticeship records for either Richard Gibson or George Hood - do we know if Apprenticeship records are complete and have survived ?
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......................Is it likely John Hood could easily change occupations ( Mariner to Waterman) ?..........
Hi, I can't see a problem with a Mariner later becoming a Waterman :)
Frank.
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1801 Trades Directory Newcastle & Gateshead
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/ref/collection/p16445coll4/id/218299
Thanks dobfarm
An online free search suggests no 1845 burial at Gateshead, for George Hood.
Apparently, a Company of shareholders opened Westgate Hill General Cemetery, Newcastle, about circa 1828, so I am trying T & W Archives, who have the Registers.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13630970
G.H., could be here (or there), I'll let you know, if at Westgate Hill General Cemetery.
dobfarm, thanks for your emails.
Regards Mark
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Again, apologies if I'm going over old ground (hard to keep track of so much info!), but looking at the bondsman for 1779 marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson - John Scott, Waterman.
Has anyone looked into the following marriage?
1775, All Saints, Newcastle
John Scott & Eleanor Hood
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6PG-Y65
ADDED
Looks like the marriage was 27 Aug 1775 and John Cook Scott was a Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ib1/
Added: Does it say Eleanor was a widow?
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Possible marriage for widow Eleanor Hood
15 Oct 1756, All Saints
George Hood & Eleanor Wetherstone
Off to see if I can find it in the BT's.....
Online images don't start until 1762 :(
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..................... Does it say Eleanor was a widow?
I see "Widow"
Frank.
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Again, apologies if I'm going over old ground (hard to keep track of so much info!), but looking at the bondsman for 1779 marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson - John Scott, Waterman.
Has anyone looked into the following marriage?
1775, All Saints, Newcastle
John Scott & Eleanor Hood
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Thanks Jomot
From ...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-Y8H?mode=g&i=91&owc=collection%2F1309819%2Fwaypoints&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Choose Northumberland, Newcastle All Saints, 1762 - 1799 covering the year and the BT is image number 69 ...
27 John Scott, Wat'n to Eleanor Hood Wid'w
Regards Mark
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There is a PCC will for George Hood, Seaman dated 22nd April 1771, proved 1774 which names his widow as Eleanor of Newcastle upon Tyne.
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Again, apologies if I'm going over old ground (hard to keep track of so much info!), but looking at the bondsman for 1779 marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson - John Scott, Waterman.
Has anyone looked into the following marriage?
1775, All Saints, Newcastle
John Scott & Eleanor Hood
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Thanks Jomot
From ...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-Y8H?mode=g&i=91&owc=collection%2F1309819%2Fwaypoints&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Choose Northumberland, Newcastle All Saints, 1762 - 1799 covering the year and the BT is image number 69 ...
John Scott, Wat'r to Eleanor Hood Wid'w
Regards Mark
Already attached in my post #112 :)
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......................Is it likely John Hood could easily change occupations ( Mariner to Waterman) ?..........
Hi, I can't see a problem with a Mariner later becoming a Waterman :)
Frank.
Especially if his mother's new husband is a waterman :)
I cant find a baptism until a few years after the marriage of George Hood to Eleanor Wetherstone, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one - we don't know the condition of the PRs.
I'm liking the possibility of George Hood son of John Hood son of George Hood.
There seems to have been quite a few Hoods marrying & having children in Newcastle around the same time - Leonard, William, John & George Hood at first glance.
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There is a PCC will for George Hood, Seaman dated 22nd April 1771, proved 1774 which names his widow as Eleanor of Newcastle upon Tyne.
Thank you Jomot.
Thank you all very much, for the information, contributions and off-board searching!
Kind regards Mark
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The George Hood Will/probate 1771 could be interest -Where is held- Canterbury ?
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Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills - can be found online if you have a sub or I can email a copy if you PM me your email address.
Unfortunately only Eleanor is mentioned :(
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That could mean they had on children but maybe sideways related to John Hood (Uncle George)
Its Mark's ancestry - I'll take your viewing of the Will, that nothing is in the Will that's important info as connecting ancestry. :)
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That could mean they had on children but maybe sideways related to John Hood (Uncle George)
Its Mark's ancestry - I'll take your viewing of the Will, that nothing is in the Will that's important info as connecting ancestry. :)
There appear to have been several children born to the marriage, but none are named in the will. The date, however, ties in with Eleanor Hood, widow, marrying John Scott, Waterman, who was the Bondsman on the marriage bond & allegation for John Hood, Mariner & Elizabeth Gibson. Therefore there seems a strong possibility - although no proof - that George Hood & Eleanor Wetherstone were the parents of John Hood, Mariner & possibly later a waterman.
If this is correct then Jane Hood 1783 d/o John Hood, Waterman could be a sister of George Hood b 1786 s/o John Hood, Mariner.
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I'll make this my last post, but Tyne & Wear Archives appear to have some Guild records that may be of interest:
Tanners: copy ordinaries mid-late 16th century-1654; minutes 1841-1968; admissions 1680-date; apprentices 1714-1844; accounts 1664-1743; apprenticeship indentures 1708-1821 (indexed); membership roll 1836-1851 Ref:GU.TA (part MF), 298
Trinity House - The Fraternity of Master Mariners and Seamen: charters c1664-c1770; minutes 1724-1762; orders 1604-1735; letter books 1644-1876; correspondence 1739-1943; ledgers 1736-1884; receipts and payments 1622-1965; admissions c1606-1929; apprentices 1648-1907; deeds 1524-1934; charity papers c1737-1934; various accounts 1622-1843. See also User Guide 6 Ref:GU.TH (part MF)
Details under User Guide 7
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I would think job names mariner/waterman would overlap with packboats which were river/sea going vessels as far as vicars interpretations are concerned.
You've done well today Jomot ! ;) -time for a cuppa. Its up to Mark now to make sense of it all. I've lost track but there is something forming.
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Hood mariners or watermen
( Possible) George Hood son of George
baptized :1733
SCARBOROUGH, BTS, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND
residence:
Scarborough, Yorkshire, England
15 Oct 1756, All Saints marriage
George Hood & Eleanor Wetherstone
Will/probate
George Hood, Seaman dated 22nd April 1771, proved 1774 which names his widow as Eleanor of Newcastle upon Tyne.
John Scott & Eleanor Hood marriage 27 Aug 1775, All Saints, Newcastle
John Scott bondsman to John Hood b 1756 X Elizabeth Gibson married Newcastle 1779
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John Hood son George
baptized 1738
SCARBOROUGH, BTS, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND
residence:
Scarborough, Yorkshire, England
George son of John Hood Gateshead baptized 1786
First showings in Selby by date John Hood/Mr Hood on various Land Tax years 1700's
Richard Gibson ( by childen baptisms -Father Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate Newcastle)
Birth Date 1766
Age 26
Spouse's Name Elianor Wainwright
Spouse's Birth Date 1761
Spouse's Age 31
Event Date 30 Oct 1792
Event Place Selby,York,England
Maudline Hood X Charles Turner marriage 1794 Selby Father John Hood mariner b 1737 X mother Elizabeth ((Leppington (Widow) nee Spencer) Hood married 1763 Scarborough
1803 Jane Hood burial age 65 wife of John Hood mariner Selby
1807 to 1810 newspapers Richard Gibson a Cooper Wren Lane Selby bankrupt
1812 George Hood appears in Selby a Cooper Wren lane Selby
1815 George Hood age 28 (born 1787) a Cooper married Sarah Russel.
1819 John Hood burial aged 82 (born 1737) Selby no occupation given
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There is a PCC will for George Hood, Seaman dated 22nd April 1771, proved 1774 which names his widow as Eleanor of Newcastle upon Tyne.
A PCC Will.
This strongly suggests he was a property owner in both the Provinces of York and Canterbury
OR he died outside of England and Wales.
Being a Mariner, he could of died outside the England & Wales jurisdiction, but if death did occur in E or W it suggests he may have owned property in the two Provincial regions.
A few people would qualify on both counts, for a PCC Will.
This George Hood with the Will, may turn out to be a possible sideways brother, to my direct descent line though?
Regards Mark
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The Will of George Hood mariner 1771/1774 proved- There could be additional probate papers with the Will bungle or probate admin papers in relation to where he died (Region of the world), though being a mariner ? A York, Durham or Canterbury Will makes little difference.
As a sailor visiting many ports, if he was a captain of a ship could have owned property anywhere (more coastal or abroad) on that base alone
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John Hood born 1756 bond marriage age 23 in 1779 Newcastle - Who and Where ???
Free Weekend on Ancestry
In search -'search all records'-Put John Hood birth 1756 .-leave rest blank -then click the search tab
Interesting stuff coming up.
Members photo's and stuff
Captain John Hood 1756 to 1819 Scotland ?
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John Hood death 1842 --Bergh Apton Norfolk ? b 1756 by age at death ?
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I have sent Mark a copy of the Will, which states the name of the ship he was on when it was written (HMS Orford). The ship sailed to the East Indies. The witness was John Strachan, who I take to be Sir John Strachan, who commanded the Orford from 1770.
I have also sent Mark information about the Newcastle Trinity House records which state that in 1770 they offered a reward to seamen who volunteer into the royal navy. This may well be how & why George ended up on the Orford.
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George Hood Bapt 1733 Scarborough son of George
No infant/Teenage boy burial or marriage found Yorkshire
Though he could have stayed a bachelor as a mariner but unlikely those days.
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I have sent Mark a copy of the Will, which states the name of the ship he was on when it was written (HMS Orford). The ship sailed to the East Indies. The witness was John Strachan, who I take to be Sir John Strachan, who commanded the Orford from 1770.
I have also sent Mark information about the Newcastle Trinity House records which state that in 1770 they offered a reward to seamen who volunteer into the royal navy. This may well be how & why George ended up on the Orford.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9772435
There should be records on him being RN
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It would appear Richard Gibson is paying land tax in Burton Salmon & Wistow from 1782 to 1799 on various properties of land
Properties owners Mr Scott, Mr Robinson and his own property under Richard Gibson
Then Richard Gibson Appears in Selby 1800 in property of Lord Petre to 1811.
1812 George Hood
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From Ancestry Search
Private member story
The History Of The Parishes Of Sherburn And Cawood
George Hood (1791-1845)
(Burton Salmon ???)
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Google books have an online book by that title -The history of the parishes of Sherburn and Cawood by William Wheater
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I have sent Mark a copy of the Will, which states the name of the ship he was on when it was written (HMS Orford). The ship sailed to the East Indies. The witness was John Strachan, who I take to be Sir John Strachan, who commanded the Orford from 1770.
I have also sent Mark information about the Newcastle Trinity House records which state that in 1770 they offered a reward to seamen who volunteer into the royal navy. This may well be how & why George ended up on the Orford.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9772435
There should be records on him being RN
Hello All
Looking at the Will of George Hood, Seaman, of His Majesty's Ship Orford.
Will was written in 1771 and refers to George Hood's beloved wife Eleanor Hood now living at Newcastle upon Tyne.
Probate London on the Eighth day of October 1774, before the Right Worshipful Sir George Hay Doctor of Laws Master Keeper or Commissary of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury lawfully constituted by the Oath of Eleanor Hood Widow the Relict of the deceased and sole Executrix named in the said Will ...
According to Jomot they had a recruitment drive at Newcastle about 1770 to recruit these chaps.
TNA, ADM 346 Series seems to be the Navy/Admiralty Hydrographic Dept and linked to Royal Greenwich Observatory, ships remarks books.
Looking at the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, the Navy Board Lieutenant's Logs for HMS Orford covering 1773 to 1775 found so far, are:-
ADM/L/O/38
ADM/L/O/39
ADM/L/O/40
Once I get some initial replies to back, I'll spend a bit more and get all this supplementary information, even if this 'Navy George' turns out to be a brother, of a direct line ancestor.
Many thanks for all the info, though!
Agree, if Navy George Hood was in the Navy at death, there should be some Log, or file, or some info. If a Service death possibly even a Widows Pension grant, or similar.
Navy records are a bit new, to me.
Kind regards, Mark
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From Ancestry Search
Private member story
The History Of The Parishes Of Sherburn And Cawood
George Hood (1791-1845)
(Burton Salmon ???)
I have this book downloaded from the B.L., Euston and extracts of this book printed off last year, which refers to Matthew Hood Chirurgus (Surgeon) of Wistow and Selby, buried in Selby Abbey 1717. Elizabeth Hood widow was buried in Selby Abbey in 1732, but nothing to link to my George Hood of Selby, yet.
The member possibly gets 1791 from George Hood's age range (rounding down & using 50) in the 1841 Selby Census.
But this 1791 birth does not match the documentary evidence of the 1845 Death Certificate, nor age at Marriage and I have so much evidence to link the 1815 Selby marriage to his 1845 death, that it is the same George Hood.
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1771 recruiting drive ;D shang'ed -poor sod !
The press gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment#/media/File:Caricature-1780-press_gang.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghaiing
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From Ancestry Search
Private member story
The History Of The Parishes Of Sherburn And Cawood
George Hood (1791-1845)
(Burton Salmon ???)
I have this book downloaded from the B.L., Euston and extracts of this book printed off last year, which refers to Matthew Hood Chirurgus (Surgeon) of Wistow and Selby, buried in Selby Abbey 1717. Elizabeth Hood widow was buried in Selby Abbey in 1732, but nothing to link to my George Hood of Selby, yet.
He possibly gets 1791 from George Hood's age range (rounding down & using 50) in the 1841 Selby Census.
But this 1791 birth does not match the documentary evidence of the 1845 Death Certificate, nor age at Marriage and I have so much evidence to link the 1815 Selby marriage to his 1845 death, that it is the same George Hood.
Its obvious 1791 came from George Hood 5 year round off age.1841c but the 1845 death/burial year is interesting as Sherburn ? -You checked Cawood for a George burial 1845
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http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D453385
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http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D453385
This is the same Will Jomot has mentioned, Mark
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Its obvious 1791 came from George Hood 5 year round off age.1841c but the 1845 death/burial year is interesting as Sherburn ? -You checked Cawood for a George burial 1845
Films and Fiche of Parish BURIALS checked, listed here ...
George Hood Burial where? ... Part 3
Page 27.
Reply 234
29 July 16
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.234
Regards Mark
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Its obvious 1791 came from George Hood 5 year round off age.1841c but the 1845 death/burial year is interesting as Sherburn ? -You checked Cawood for a George burial 1845
Films and Fiche of Parish BURIALS checked, listed here ...
George Hood Burial where? ... Part 3
Page 27.
Reply 234
29 July 16
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.234
Regards Mark
Posted the link for ref numbers as the Will is held at the NT Kew if you want the Will Bungle.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D453385
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Though I now think R Gibson brought George up as his mentor or master cooper maybe related, but it does not explain where George got is funding or wealth post 1812 as R Gibson was skint. (in fact R Gibson seems to vanish post 1813)
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Though I now think R Gibson brought George up as his mentor or master cooper maybe related, but it does not explain where George got is funding or wealth post 1812 as R Gibson was skint. (in fact R Gibson seems to vanish post 1813)
In the Selby PR (birth of Thomas Gibson) of August 1793, the father of Richard Gibson, Cooper of Selby, is a Farmer, called Thomas Gibson of Newcastle. Later in 1800, Thomas Gibson is given as a Labourer, although I have seen someone being called both before. Labourers were not always poor either. Also I can't find anything suggesting Thomas Gibson, the Farmer got into any debt trouble, between the dates.
There are several debtors listed, that owe several Newcastle, Gibsons money.
Are you aware Thomas Gibson of Newcastle, BANKER had NINE illegitimate children!
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=80S8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=%22Thomas+gibson+of+Newcastle%22&source=bl&ots=oBDLWZ5zrp&sig=rMqG1nJMHjMlHtyk53514n7YP78&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimmr7OtOPOAhXrCsAKHWQDCrIQ6AEIJjAF
Regarding Richard Gibson of Selby, a "Cooper", I have requested again (last week) copies of the records of those lodging the case / signing in, at the examinations, in June and July 1807.
This statement of calling yourself a 'Dealer and Chapman' was apparently in the main, to ensure that you were treated as a 'Trader' and therefore you could file for Bankruptcy.
The alternative, was to become 'insolvent' or an 'insolvent debtor' and risk spending the rest of your life in prison, or in prison until someone paid it off.
In Richard Gibson's case, Gazette 6 March 1810, unless anyone could show to the contrary, then Gibson's Certificate would be allowed. In the notice it also says it was a Commission of Bankrupt.
This 'Certificate' is likely referring to a 'Certificate of Conformity' it seems. If so, then there may be a reference in the Register. However, I noticed online that when there is no surviving Bankruptcy file (as in this case), there is little more in TNA, Kew, Registers and Indexes, than that, published in the London Gazettes ??? ...
TNA B 6/15
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_col=0&_cr1=B%206%2F15&_dss=range&_sd=1810&_ed=1810&_ro=any&_hb=tna
TNA Note: Indexed
1810 Jan 4 - 1811 Apr 30
B 6/13 Registers of documents filed in Bankruptcy Proceedings 7 January 1807 - 27 August 1808
Indexed.
B 4/28 Registers of Commissions of bankruptcy
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_col=0&_cr1=B%204%2F28&_dss=range&_sd=1807&_ed=1808&_ro=any&_hb=tna
1806 Apr - 1808 Sept
Gibson and Gibson's Creditors to whom he owes money, have possibly come up with a plan at the 1807 Commission, which satisfied Gibson's Creditors and allowed his 'Certificate' by 1810.
Regards Mark
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I keep coming back to George Hood & Eleanor Wetherstone 15 Oct 1756, All Saints, so I'm just going to throw this out there....
1756 George Hood m Eleanor Wetherstone
1759 Joshua s/o George Hood
1764 Joshua s/o George Hood
1766 Caleb s/o George Hood
1767 Elizabeth d/o George Hood
1769 James s/o George Hood, Cordwainer
1770 Trinity House offers reward to seamen joining the Navy (must they already to be seamen?)
1771 George Hood aboard HMS Orford & writes will
1774 George Hood's will proved in London. Sole executor is his wife, Eleanor
1775 Eleanor Hood, Widow, marries John Scott, Waterman
1779 Marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter of Thomas Gibson, Newcastle, sister of Richard Gibson of Selby). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman.
1792 Marriage in Hull of James Hood & Ann Phillips
Baptism Tynemouth:
1795 James s/o James & Ann Hood of North Shore, Mariner
1798 Mary Ann d/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner, native of All Saints by his wife Ann Phillips native of Hull
1800 Eleanor d/o James Hood & Ann Phillips – not in BTs
1802 George 2nd s/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner Native of All Saints parish by his wife Ann Philips native of Hull.
My feeling is that this James Hood is a brother to John Hood, father of George Hood of Selby. George in Selby names one of his daughters Ellen (after his grandmother, Eleanor?) and another James (after his Uncle?).
Unfortunately I haven't traced the family with any certainty after the 1802 baptism, but this is a possibility:
1803 (25 Dec) Burial Hull, Eleanor Hood d/o Ann
1803 (26 Dec) Burial Hull, George Hood s/o Ann
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Here are the baptisms of Mary Ann & George Hood in Tynemouth:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ic3/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ic4/
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Hello All
Thanks Jomot.
I think, we'll have a look at all the docs in both the TNA, B (Bankrupts) and BT 98 Port of Registry: Shields and other Northern ports [these crew Muster Rolls include those from Newcastle and Gateshead per 'Seaweed'].
Be interesting to find John Hood, Mariner, around the time of his wedding to Elizabeth Gibson.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=Shields&_col=0&_cr1=BT%2098&_dss=range&_sd=1778&_ed=1780&_ro=any&_hb=tna
Also:-
In B 5 Office of the Commissioners of Bankrupts and Court of Bankruptcy: Bankruptcy Enrolment Books 1807 (but no index til 1825, which is in B 8 after 1825).
B 7 Office of the Commissioners of Bankrupts, ... Minute Book 28 April 1807 - 29 April 1808, Note: Indexed
TNA guide says there may be a "minimal" amount of additional information, than that published in the L.G.
We strongly suspect that Gibson, is Hood's uncle and now there are Registers and Indexes, possibly with more info., than in the L.G., I must get copies, or see them.
Regards Mark
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Though its a good find ;) Thomas Gibson banker and his immoral pastimes with the ladies, I don't think he fits a vocation as a labourer or farmers life around Hall Gate Nuns/Town moor live stock feeding farming land fields.
I'll leave the bankrupt info searching to you Mark but what happened to Richard Gibson after 1810/11 is the big question -Prison ?
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I keep coming back to George Hood & Eleanor Wetherstone 15 Oct 1756, All Saints, so I'm just going to throw this out there....
1756 George Hood m Eleanor Wetherstone
1759 Joshua s/o George Hood
1764 Joshua s/o George Hood
1766 Caleb s/o George Hood
1767 Elizabeth d/o George Hood
1769 James s/o George Hood, Cordwainer
1770 Trinity House offers reward to seamen joining the Navy (must they already to be seamen?)
1771 George Hood aboard HMS Orford & writes will
1774 George Hood's will proved in London. Sole executor is his wife, Eleanor
1775 Eleanor Hood, Widow, marries John Scott, Waterman
1779 Marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman.
1792 Marriage in Hull of James Hood & Ann Phillips
Baptism Tynemouth:
1795 James s/o James & Ann Hood of North Shore, Mariner
1798 Mary Ann d/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner, native of All Saints by his wife Ann Phillips native of Hull
1800 Eleanor d/o James Hood & Ann Phillips – not in BTs
1802 George 2nd s/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner Native of All Saints parish by his wife Ann Philips native of Hull.
My feeling is that this James Hood is a brother to John Hood, father of George Hood of Selby. George in Selby names one of his daughters Ellen (after his grandmother, Eleanor?) and another James (after his Uncle?).
Unfortunately I haven't traced the family with any certainty after the 1802 baptism, but this is a possibility:
1803 (25 Dec) Burial Hull, Eleanor Hood d/o Ann
1803 (26 Dec) Burial Hull, George Hood s/o Ann
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1779 Marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman.
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Should that not read
1779 Marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter Thomas Gibson Newcastle). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman.
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Should that not read
1779 Marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter Thomas Gibson Newcastle). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman
Now amended to "daughter of Thomas Gibson, Newcastle, sister of Richard Gibson of Selby".
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https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Anorthumberland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1755-1775~
1779 Marriage of John Hood b 1756 & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman
The above John Hood does not seem to have been baptized in Newcastle as there are two John Hood father John baptisms, one 1760 and one 1769, looking like the 1760 baptism died. (If John Hood b 1756 lied thinking his age being bapt 1760).
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Possible baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
For what it's worth here's the relevant baptism from the Durham Bishops Transcripts (bottom of colum 3) The word after Gibson is his occupation ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i8y/
Have I missed something ...
30th October 1792 Richard Gibson's Selby Marriage, Gibson was aged 26 years, see attachment - giving a Birth about 1766.
But link takes us to 1762 baptisms and image dated 1762.
Seems BT images in the quoted link, jump from the end of 1762 to 1769 and the image we need to check (1765 to 1766) is missing.
Regards Mark
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https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arichard~%20%2Bsurname%3Agibson~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Anorthumberland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1764-1768~
Would suggest a look at Hood's/Gibson's on 1841c around Longbenton/Gosforth/Town moor/Gateshead areas of Newcastle see if there is a household with both surnames
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Possible baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
For what it's worth here's the relevant baptism from the Durham Bishops Transcripts (bottom of colum 3) The word after Gibson is his occupation ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i8y/
Have I missed something ...
30th October 1792 Richard Gibson's Selby Marriage, Gibson was aged 26 years, see attachment - giving a Birth about 1766.
But link takes us to 1762 baptisms and image dated 1762.
Seems BT images in the quoted link, jump from the end of 1762 to 1769 and the image we need to check (1765 to 1766) is missing.
Regards Mark
The link I gave was correct. It simply took you to the baptism referred to by Claire in reply #7......Newcastle All Saints, 6 June 1762 :)
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Hello
Regardless of Richard Gibson, the Cooper being elusive at birth and death, I still believe there is something in the John Hood = Elizabeth Gibson marriage, it is the 'd' on the George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage Alleg/Bond and John Hood signatures, the stick is brought through itself, forming a circular pattern.
This Hall Gates, is outside Newcastle, so did anyone check the other Newcastle Churches from the link?
I'll have a look.
Scott - Gibson
Coincidence, or connection ... Hull Advertiser 16 January 1813
Summergangs, Near Hull.
At the House of William Scott, known by the Sign of the Nag's Head, in Summergangs ...
Lot I Sale of the Nag's Head and Garden.
A Tenement adjoining the Nag's Head Inn, and in the occupation of Perceval Wilkinson.
Lot II & III were late in the occupation of Mr H. Gibson, or lately occupied Henry Gibson, respectively.
At the bottom of advert, the owner was given as Henry Gibson.
Possible burial for Richard Gibson?
Provided nobody else is claiming it belongs to another Richard ...
Kirk-Heaton Parish Register of 1821 for August. (D 160/1/5/1 found on Ancestry)
Richard Gibson, Abode Dalton, 15th, 56 years.
Ancestry Member - Hood / Wistow
The Ancestry member Story, I wonder if the Member has seen a Hood plaque, in one of the surrounding Parish Churches, not recorded in the Register?
Will check Wm Wheater's book again, but the only Hood, was Matthew Hood marrying Elizabeth Byard at Wistow.
Matthew Hood (a Chirurgus) and Elizabeth Hood were buried in Selby Abbey 1717 & 1732 respectively.
Parhaps, the Ancestry Member has seen a Hood Memorial / Plaque in one of the surrounding churches?
Other Hood Marriage at Brayton - 1732
EDIT Nathanael Hood of Selby and Anne Loftas of Brayton married 11th January.
Perhaps a Hood Memorial or Plaque or Grave memorial inside / outside Wistow / Brayton (or surrounding) Church?
But nothing in the Register for Sept 1845.
Selby Abbey - Sexton Book
Had a reply, re Sexton Book, the Archive did not hold it, so will try the other Archive there (in same City).
Regards Mark.
EDIT : Rumoured that the Vicar of either Wistow / Brayton fell out with the Bishop and ripped out/up, some of the original Parish Register pages?
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This Hall Gates, is outside Newcastle, so did anyone check the other Newcastle Churches from the link?
Hall Gates fell within the Parish of St Andrew, Newcastle. It is very much in Newcastle, not outside.
Use http://maps.familysearch.org/ and search Newcastle upon Tyne St Andrew, which shows the extent of the parish.
Just searching Newcastle upon Tyne on the same site will show you all the parishes.
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Possible baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
For what it's worth here's the relevant baptism from the Durham Bishops Transcripts (bottom of colum 3) The word after Gibson is his occupation ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i8y/
Have I missed something ...
30th October 1792 Richard Gibson's Selby Marriage, Gibson was aged 26 years, see attachment - giving a Birth about 1766.
But link takes us to 1762 baptisms and image dated 1762.
Seems BT images in the quoted link, jump from the end of 1762 to 1769 and the image we need to check (1765 to 1766) is missing.
Regards Mark
The link I gave was correct. It simply took you to the baptism referred to by Claire in reply #7......Newcastle All Saints, 6 June 1762 :)
If after checking all Anglican churches, Nonconformist baptisms and Quakers births and your left with only the baptism of Richard son of Thomas Gibson All Saints Newcastle 1762.
Considering Richard Gibson was younger than his wife ? a bit of fibbing could have been going on with Richard about his age 26 at marriage 1792 Selby- (it won't be first time thats happened ! Thinking of my dads age at marriage which seem to change a few years when he retired at 65. and mum discovered his real age [bit of verbal ear bashing went on for weeks after}----- ;D --- ;D---- ;D )
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Hello
Regardless of Richard Gibson, the Cooper being elusive at birth and death, I still believe there is something in the John Hood = Elizabeth Gibson marriage, it is the 'd' on the George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage Alleg/Bond and John Hood signatures, the stick is brought through itself, forming a circular pattern.
This Hall Gates, is outside Newcastle, so did anyone check the other Newcastle Churches from the link?
I'll have a look.
Scott - Gibson
Coincidence, or connection ... Hull Advertiser 16 January 1813
Summergangs, Near Hull.
At the House of William Scott, known by the Sign of the Nag's Head, in Summergangs ...
Lot I Sale of the Nag's Head and Garden.
A Tenement adjoining the Nag's Head Inn, and in the occupation of Perceval Wilkinson.
Lot II & III were late in the occupation of Mr H. Gibson, or lately occupied Henry Gibson, respectively.
At the bottom of advert, the owner was given as Henry Gibson.
Possible burial for Richard Gibson?
Provided nobody else is claiming it belongs to another Richard ...
Kirk-Heaton Parish Register of 1821 for August. (D 160/1/5/1 found on Ancestry)
Richard Gibson, Abode Dalton, 15th, 56 years.
Ancestry Member - Hood / Wistow
The Ancestry member Story, I wonder if the Member has seen a Hood plaque, in one of the surrounding Parish Churches, not recorded in the Register?
Will check Wm Wheater's book again, but the only Hood, was Matthew Hood marrying Elizabeth Byard at Wistow.
Matthew Hood (a Chirurgus) and Elizabeth Hood were buried in Selby Abbey 1717 & 1732 respectively.
Parhaps, the Ancestry Member has seen a Hood Memorial / Plaque in one of the surrounding churches?
Other Hood Marriage at Brayton - 1732
EDIT Nathanael Hood of Selby and Anne Loftas of Brayton married 11th January.
Perhaps a Hood Memorial or Plaque or Grave memorial inside / outside Wistow / Brayton (or surrounding) Church?
But nothing in the Register for Sept 1845.
Selby Abbey - Sexton Book
Had a reply, re Sexton Book, the Archive did not hold it, so will try the other Archive there (in same City).
Regards Mark.
EDIT : Rumoured that the Vicar of either Wistow / Brayton fell out with the Bishop and ripped out/up, some of the original Parish Register pages?
Looked at Road Map Kirkheaton and Dalton, are in Northumberland (Dalton near Ponteland), WNW direction from Newcastle.
Age at burial of this Richard Gibson, gives birth year circa 1765.
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And
"DALTON, a township in the parish of KIRKHEATON, upper division of the wapentake of AGBRIGG, West riding of the county of YORK, 2 miles N.E. from Huddersfield, containing 2289 inhabitants."
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Kirkheaton/Kirkheaton35.html
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Possible burial for Richard Gibson?
Provided nobody else is claiming it belongs to another Richard ...
Kirk-Heaton Parish Register of 1821 for August. (D 160/1/5/1 found on Ancestry)
Richard Gibson, Abode Dalton, 15th, 56 years.
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Looked at Road Map Kirkheaton and Dalton, are in Northumberland (Dalton near Ponteland), WNW direction from Newcastle.
Age at burial of this Richard Gibson, gives birth year circa 1765.
EDIT
And
"DALTON, a township in the parish of KIRKHEATON, upper division of the wapentake of AGBRIGG, West riding of the county of YORK, 2 miles N.E. from Huddersfield, containing 2289 inhabitants."
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Kirkheaton/Kirkheaton35.html
I couldn't make out yesterday if it was a WYAS scan, but something led me to believe it was, but just discovered there is another Kirkheaton, with a Dalton township near Huddersfield.
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Skimmed through 18 pages so apologies if info already posted.
Baptism at Gosforth. 15 Jan 1769. Thomas Gibson, son of Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate.
Presumably a brother for Richard. BT's for Gosforth are patchy before 1769, might be earlier records on the original PR's.
Witnesses to the 1779 Gibson - Hood marriage are John Scott and Elisabeth Lambton.
Alan.
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What a brilliant find WolfieSmith ;D
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The big question !!!- is there an earlier baptism for Elizabeth Gibson to Thomas Gibson of Halls gate in Gosforth ???
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Skimmed through 18 pages so apologies if info already posted.
Baptism at Gosforth. 15 Jan 1769. Thomas Gibson, son of Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate.
Presumably a brother for Richard. BT's for Gosforth are patchy before 1769, might be earlier records on the original PR's.
Witnesses to the 1779 Gibson - Hood marriage are John Scott and Elisabeth Lambton.
Alan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-627S-4PH?i=5&wc=9K5S-JWG%3A13617901%2C21138401%2C14684702%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
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The Gosforth Parish Registers need to be seen :-\ to be sure of what we have for Elizabeth is correct.
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The Gosforth Parish Registers need to be seen :-\ to be sure of what we have for Elizabeth is correct.
I think there is a good chance as maybe an (daughter named after mummy) Elizabeth Gibson bapt about 1762
quote Claire page 1 Reply #7 on: Saturday 20 August 16 16:26
Thomas Gibson married Elizabeth Brown 27 Sep 1756 Newcastle, St. Andrew
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Skimmed through 18 pages so apologies if info already posted.
Baptism at Gosforth. 15 Jan 1769. Thomas Gibson, son of Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate.
Presumably a brother for Richard. BT's for Gosforth are patchy before 1769, might be earlier records on the original PR's.
Witnesses to the 1779 Gibson - Hood marriage are John Scott and Elisabeth Lambton.
Alan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-627S-4PH?i=5&wc=9K5S-JWG%3A13617901%2C21138401%2C14684702%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Hello All
Thank you Alan for suggesting Gosforth and the Gibson baptism linked to Hall's Gate, it seems the BT images have a similar gap to the Newcastle All Saints images, so I need to check original Gosforth Parish Baptism Registers for Richard Gibson born circa 1766 and check for Elizabeth Gibson.
Basically my 4 X Times Gt. Grandfather George Hood of Selby (Married Selby in 1815, aged 28), took over a Cooper's business of Richard Gibson a Cooper of Selby, circa 1812. George Hood dies before the 1851 Census and no baptism for him at Selby and no known burial either.
Possible baptism for my George Hood, is a 1st October 1786 baptism at Gateshead for "Geo: S of John Hood" (but no other detailed Register, when I enquired at Durham R O).
If Richard Gibson and Elizabeth Hood (nee Gibson) are brother and sister, it would make my George Hood of Selby, being baptised at Gateshead in 1786 a strong proposition, to link my George Hood to John and Elizabeth Hood (nee Gibson) of Newcastle.
Thank you dobfarm for the Gosforth link, regarding Thomas Gibson of Hall's Gate.
Thank you all.
Regards Mark
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Dobfarm ~ I'm a bit confused
We already have an Elizabeth, hopefully :-\
Elizabeth Gibson daughter of Thomas Gibson baptism 05 Aug 1759 ~ ALL SAINTS,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE.
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Had a bit of stomach lurcher before ~ I thought I would look for a George Hood with a variation or mistranscription of his surname ~ 'Hoad' or 'Head' were what came up.
In the Quaker monthly meeting at Scarborough in 1784 George HEAD son of Joseph and Hannah, witness at birth Mary HOOD ::)
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Dobfarm ~ I'm a bit confused
We already have an Elizabeth, hopefully :-\
Elizabeth Gibson daughter of Thomas Gibson baptism 05 Aug 1759 ~ ALL SAINTS,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE.
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Had a bit of stomach lurcher before ~ I thought I would look for a George Hood with a variation or mistranscription of his surname ~ 'Hoad' or 'Head' were what came up.
In the Quaker monthly meeting at Scarborough in 1784 George HEAD son of Joseph and Hannah, witness at birth Mary HOOD ::)
Hi Claire
Yes ! but we were working on All Saints Parish Newcastle with this Gibson children of Thomas as brother and sister and this Elizabeth Gibson b 1759 brother Richard Gibson b 1762 not Richard Gibson of Selby who we now know was baptized 1769 in Gosforth
If we have eliminated Richard below b 1762 we have to eliminate the Elizabeth b 1759 at All Saints Newcastle aswell
Elizabeth Gibson daughter of Thomas Gibson baptism 05 Aug 1759
ALL SAINTS,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
baptism of Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
(He is still there as this Elizabeth's brother Richard )
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Doh !! Senior moment.
With it now :) You would expect an Elizabeth somewhere after the marriage. What a pity the BT's did not cover the earlier years for us to see.
I did look in those BTs upto c1785 and couldn't see another mention of a Gibson bar one burial of a labourer Joseph G.
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Hello Claire and All
When a child of Richard Gibson's was born/bapt at Selby, the Selby Parish Register stated Richard Gibson was the son of Thomas Gibson of Hall's Gates, Nr Newcastle.
Alan has pointed out that occurrences at Halls Gate appear in the Gosforth Register, but parts of the BTs are missing online.
dobfarm has found an image for Thomas son of Thomas Gibson in 1769, which supports Alan's information, that those of Hall's Gate were baptised at Gosforth.
Rather than just accept the 1762 Newcastle Baptism of Richard Gibson to father Thomas Gibson, which does not tally with Richard Gibson's age at his 1792 Marriage at Selby and also with so many Gibson families at Newcastle, then I feel, we ought to have a holiday nearby and go and look at the actual Gosforth Registers (as BTs covering some of the 1760s are missing online) and hopefully there is a Richard Gibson Baptism and others in the Parish of Gosforth (where those of Hall's Gate were baptised), which corresponds with his marriage age and a baptism of circa 1766 (not 1762).
I hope to get sight of these Bankruptcy Registers and Indexes, it would be great, if they say Gibson's Selby Cooper business was taken over by Nephew George Hood and the BT 98 Muster Rolls, as John Hood, was a Mariner.
After all this, I am only trying to firm up the George Hood to John Hood link, using dobfarm's original suggestion and the wonderful input and suggestions from you and others, I've had on here and on other threads (see my sketch, a few posts back, yesterday).
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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Well I hope you have a lovely holiday that proves beneficial in your quest for answers, and don't forget to negotiate your wife's shopping allowance accordingly - us women don't come cheap :D :D
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Copies of the Gosforth registers are held at Tyne & Wear Archives, which are in Newcastle itself, and also at Woodhorn (Northumberland Archives).
Transcripts are also held at Newcastle Central Library
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Gosforth/ChurchRecords.html
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Gosforth Baptisms are on the IGI.
The only Gibson baptism showing there to a father named Thomas is the 1769 Thomas.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01id4/
Unless there is a gap in the record?
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If you note earlier discussions on where Halls Gates was located and maps links by Jenb and 1854 map by myself: You will note;- St Andrews covered Town moor and Nuns moor where Halls Gate is located.
Parish boundaries are not straight lines and the parish church is not always located in the centre of a parish and sometimes a road to a boarding parish church is nearer, closer and easier to get too in those days because of poor road networks in bad weather or winter. It is not unusual to find an entry in a parish register with an abode located in the next parish.
The main objective is to find by grouping children born/baptized after a marriage of a Thomas Gibson !!! looking for year where two independent family child baptisms pop up by a Thomas Gibson or sudden start appearing in a register as baptism or child burials after a marriage. (Not always in the same parish church but near ones.)
Also I said earlier Bond and Dades parish age at marriage of the couple 18th century are not always dead accurate +/- a year or two.
Its also not unusual for ancestry trees to dry up to a hard stop dead halt, around mid 1700's with no age at death before pre registers 1812 ancestors, or pre 1754 simple naming couple only in a single line entry marriage - thus commanding 19th century accuracy of confirmation like post 1841 census and 1837 BMD certificates is not even in the thought range pre 1812 registers. (Apart from dades registers.)
All you can do is put alternatives with the best possible to the best probable tree and this Newcastle theory is a strong possible to try a make a very strong probable at best.
We will all wait in wonder!! of your finding in Northumberland/Durham research Mark like waiting for the ending of a good book manuscript by its author
Good luck
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If no entry can be found of Elizabeth Gibson 1758 to 1760 and Richard Gibson 1766 to 1767 in Gosforth parish register.
Then All Saints Newcastle (Tyne) by occupation.
From the few pages not missing in BT's Fam/search baptisms
Need to check occupation of Thomas father of Elizabeth Gibson baptism All Saints Newcastle church register 1759
Richard son of Thomas Gibson a Yeo (Yeoman is a farmer small freeholder) 2nd June 1762 All Saints Newcastle
Mary daughter of Thomas Gibson a Ship wright 27 Aug 1769 All Saints Newcastle page 19
Thomas son of Thomas Gibson a Maltmaker 29 th Oct 1769 All Saints Newcastle page 18 last entry above Steptember bap entries.
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Had a flick through the Gosforth transcriptions at Newcastle Library this morning. No further Gibson records around the right time. There were a few baptisms and burials from other families resident at Halls Gate. John Anderson burial 1765. Robson and Reay baptisms 1784 and 1785.
The Elizabeth Gibson baptism at Newcastle All Saints, 5 Aug 1759, father Thomas Gibson - Brewer.
Probably the Malt Maker from the 1769 Thomas Gibson baptism.
Alan.
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Putting aside Richard Gibson a Cooper Wren lane Selby history for the moment.
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Elizabeth Gibson baptism at Newcastle All Saints, 5 Aug 1759, father Thomas Gibson - Brewer.
Working only on John Hood born 1756 X Elizabeth Gibson born 1759 marriage 1779 All Saints Newcastle,
George Hood son of John Hood (Possible John Hood innkeeper Ship inn)baptism 1786
George Hood b 1787 - d1845 Selby a Cooper, brewer, tanner - businessman/farmer?- wife Sarah Straw hat maker/Groser selling alcohol in Selby
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Had a flick through the Gosforth transcriptions at Newcastle Library this morning. No further Gibson records around the right time. There were a few baptisms and burials from other families resident at Halls Gate. John Anderson burial 1765. Robson and Reay baptisms 1784 and 1785.
The Elizabeth Gibson baptism at Newcastle All Saints, 5 Aug 1759, father Thomas Gibson - Brewer.
Probably the Malt Maker from the 1769 Thomas Gibson baptism.
Alan.
Hello All
Thank you for the replies and thank you Alan for looking at the Gosforth transcriptions in the Library.
Looking at the Selby Parish Register of 1793 and 1800, both Newcastle (1793) and Hall's Gates (1800) are mentioned.
Interested to note in the Richard Gibson, Cooper Descent, that Elizabeth Brown came from Bedlington and I noticed Gibsons at Bedlington in the online newspapers.
Gibson Brewery at Gateshead
1787 Newcastle Directory under Gateshead
Gibson & Bedlington's brewery, Pipewellgate, m.
TNA Bankruptcy Registers and Muster Rolls
I want to go and see these Bankruptcy Registers / Indexes relating to the periods (1807 - 1810) of the Richard Gibson Bankruptcy, also the Muster Rolls in BT 98 for John Hood, first, I hope the Bankruptcy items may just mention George Hood, Nephew of Richard Gibson taking over.
George Hood Burial?
Regarding George Hood of Selby, who died Selby 18th September 1845 (burial place unknown) I've had a disappointing email reply (or no reply really) about the Westgate Hill General Cemetery, Registers that basically says, I am welcome to go and look at the Registers for myself.
TNA, Kew, National Register of Archives 37680, give references as:-
Tyne and Wear Archives
Burial Registers CE.WGH/1 and Dx446 Register of Share Transfers.
Alphabetical Index CE.WGH/1/1 Index 1829 to 1846.
Burial Registers CE.WGH/2/1 [covering 1845]
Purchased Vaults CE.WGH/3 1829 to 1923.
Years ago, when making a polite enquiry by letter a quick look was very helpful, we have the info and a copy will cost you £5 - £10 (or whatever) posted. However, now email is here they have too many requests.
If anyone visits Tyne and Wear Archives please and can look, to see if George Hood is buried at Westgate Hill General Cemetery, please take a note of the reference/page number please? I can order direct.
TNA, Kew
We can get to London Euston in only an hour, although two changes to get back out to TNA, Kew adds another 1 & 1/2 hours, but the Muster Rolls are there as well and John Hood the Mariner, ought to be listed, so we'll head there.
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
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I've got a very near signature match for John Hood the mariner that brings us back to Scarborough, but problem is the earlier 1778 no age given says widower and 1779 b 1756 marriage says bachelor ??? back to square one.
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I've got a very near signature match for John Hood the mariner that brings us back to Scarborough, but problem is the earlier 1778 no age given says widower and 1779 b 1756 marriage says bachelor ??? back to square one.
Please can you elaborate?
We already had three John Hood, Mariner signatures all linked to Scarborough ...
One an August 1778 London Marriage Bond John Hood, widower to Sarah Hammond, widow - place on Allegation St Giles.
The other two John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner signatures featured here ...
On page 2, Reply 15 & 16
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.15
Now, also this John Hood, Mariner to Elizabeth Gibson at Newcastle.
Wondering which, matches what?
Regards Mark
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August 1778 London Marriage Bond John Hood, widower to Sarah Hammond, widow - place on Allegation St Giles.
Compare above signature with John Hood bachelor (?) X Elizabeth Gison 1779 bond allegation signature of John Hood b 1756
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8W-YKF?i=945&wc=M6KL-6MS%3A129234201%2C129234202%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8W-B8P?i=946&wc=M6KL-6MS%3A129234201%2C129234202%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
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IMHO two different signatures, even though the final "d" is very similar
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And neither match the ones referred to by Mark earlier.
On page 2, Reply 15 & 16
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.15
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TNA, Kew
We can get to London Euston in only an hour, although two changes to get back out to TNA, Kew adds another 1 & 1/2 hours, but the Muster Rolls are there as well and John Hood the Mariner, ought to be listed, so we'll head there.
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
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Hi Mark,'
Keeps you out of the London busy city stations
Isn't
- Train (or car) to Watford - change Watford Junction on London overground (Tube System map) - Change Willesden Junction to Kew/Richmond
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See orange box in links below and timetables
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Get an overnight advanced booking cheap national coach deal/or train- to Heathrow airport and tube or bus to Kew
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Hello All
I feel we possibly have four John Hoods who are Mariners.
Three of the John Hood, Mariners linked to Scarborough plus ...
John Hood of Newcastle, Mariner marrying Elizabeth Gibson.
I still believe the Richard Gibson of Selby, Cooper being Uncle to George Hood, is the best advancement so far and I want to look at this in detail and intend to get to Kew soon.
Regards Mark
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That 'H' and tail back 'd'
Near but not near enough.
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Had a flick through the Gosforth transcriptions at Newcastle Library this morning. No further Gibson records around the right time. There were a few baptisms and burials from other families resident at Halls Gate. John Anderson burial 1765. Robson and Reay baptisms 1784 and 1785.
The Elizabeth Gibson baptism at Newcastle All Saints, 5 Aug 1759, father Thomas Gibson - Brewer.
Probably the Malt Maker from the 1769 Thomas Gibson baptism.
Alan.
Hello All
Thank you for the replies and thank you Alan for looking at the Gosforth transcriptions in the Library.
Looking at the Selby Parish Register of 1793 and 1800, both Newcastle (1793) and Hall's Gates (1800) are mentioned.
Interested to note in the Richard Gibson, Cooper Descent, that Elizabeth Brown came from Bedlington and I noticed Gibsons at Bedlington in the online newspapers.
Gibson Brewery at Gateshead
1787 Newcastle Directory under Gateshead
Gibson & Bedlington's brewery, Pipewellgate, m.[/i]
TNA Bankruptcy Registers and Muster Rolls
I want to go and see these Bankruptcy Registers / Indexes relating to the periods (1807 - 1810) of the Richard Gibson Bankruptcy, also the Muster Rolls in BT 98 for John Hood, first, I hope the Bankruptcy items may just mention George Hood, Nephew of Richard Gibson taking over.
George Hood Burial?
Regarding George Hood of Selby, who died Selby 18th September 1845 (burial place unknown) I've had a disappointing email reply (or no reply really) about the Westgate Hill General Cemetery, Registers that basically says, I am welcome to go and look at the Registers for myself.
TNA, Kew, National Register of Archives 37680, give references as:-
Tyne and Wear Archives
Burial Registers CE.WGH/1 and Dx446 Register of Share Transfers.
Alphabetical Index CE.WGH/1/1 Index 1829 to 1846.
Burial Registers CE.WGH/2/1 [covering 1845]
Purchased Vaults CE.WGH/3 1829 to 1923.
Years ago, when making a polite enquiry by letter a quick look was very helpful, we have the info and a copy will cost you £5 - £10 (or whatever) posted. However, now email is here they have too many requests.
If anyone visits Tyne and Wear Archives please and can look, to see if George Hood is buried at Westgate Hill General Cemetery, please take a note of the reference/page number please? I can order direct.
TNA, Kew
We can get to London Euston in only an hour, although two changes to get back out to TNA, Kew adds another 1 & 1/2 hours, but the Muster Rolls are there as well and John Hood the Mariner, ought to be listed, so we'll head there.
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
Pipewellgate
http://www.gateshead-history.com/pipewellgate-history.html
In 1782 a directory lists six public houses within the area: Cross Keys, Fountain, Fox, Queen’s Head, Ship, Smith’s Arms and Turk’s Head.
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Coincidence ??? 1869 Ship inn South shore Gateshead - Mr F Brown (Bedlington ?)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F-UNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR7&dq=ship+inn+south+shore+gateshead&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ship%20inn%20south%20shore%20gateshead&f=false
The Schooner (Pub) (Pipewellgate) today was the Ship Hotel Gateshead south shore.
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Edward Kelly, The Ship Inn, Gateshead.
Allsopp's Ales, in the window.
But this Ship Inn premises, apparently in the High Street?
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Coincidence ??? 1869 Ship inn South shore Gateshead - Mr F Brown (Bedlington ?)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F-UNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR7&dq=ship+inn+south+shore+gateshead&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ship%20inn%20south%20shore%20gateshead&f=false
The Schooner (Pub) (Pipewellgate) today was the Ship Hotel Gateshead south shore.
Interesting, thank you. Here is a snippet, about the United Order of Free Gardeners and their "Brother Francis Brown" Ship Inn, South Shore, Gateshead, reported in February 1868.
I wonder if Richard Gibson, Cooper of Selby and John Hood who married Elizabeth Gibson, were Freemasons?
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Some of the Freemasonry Membership Registers are available via Ancestry.
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When they say south shore ? - We don't really know if that a general term: meaning the whole of Gateshead across the river Tyne ! from view point from the position of the populous of the bigger Newcastle: or meaning the south shore port side and near streets ???.
I'm not ruling out Chester le street and Wearside as the Hood main origins (ie: James Hood/Sarah Arundel)
Meaning John Hood b1756 a mariner meets Elizabeth Gibson while on a Tyne port visit to Newcastle/Gateshead by ship/boat.
Hood Mainers to Brewers/Coopers (Hood/Gibson Farmers or farmer workers down stream: George Hood South Shields mariner with farm lands Burniston / William Hood Quaker farmer at death 1862 ?) ???
Tanner ? Straw hats ?
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South Shore, Gateshead, was a street according to this late 19th Century Map.
High Street, Gateshead, was definitely a separate street to the South, so the old picture of The Ship Inn, named as High Street (image title) was another drinking/ hostelry establishment.
Looking at the current 'Schooner' Public House architecture (formerly the Ship), I suspect that the earlier 1780s pub called the Ship, South Shore, Gateshead was either rebuilt, or the 'Ship' name transferred to this building, later renamed the 'Schooner'.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x487e7095a2669877%3A0x322a8ac0705a3b8f!2m5!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Fpicasaweb.google.com%2Flh%2Fsredir%3Funame%3D107015230389045133190%26id%3D6116494589760753810%26target%3DPHOTO!5sschooner%20pub%20gateshead%20%22ship%20Inn%22%20-%20Google%20Search&imagekey=!1e2!2s9beZcr25VCEzIQ2FsyR-yw&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK9Ii4__rOAhXIDsAKHXbkD9EQoioIazAK
South Shore, St Mary's Church Gateshead and All Saints Newcastle also depicted on the map.
A "Ballast Hill" is marked, but not the burial ground.
Regards Mark
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There was the old Ballast Hill Dissenters Burial Ground, Newcastle, which is North of the River.
Path made out of grave headstones, are pictured here ...
http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/ballast-hills-burial-ground.html
A John Hood was buried there, which one I don't know, but listed here ...
A Descriptive and Historical Account of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, Including the Borough of Gateshead ... by E. Mackenzie 1827
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1JvkAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA413&lpg=PA413&dq=Ballast+Hills+%22John+Hood%22&source=bl&ots=51NLEPLvW9&sig=kLHR5F18QkYh4icfti-w9UG_hFQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQpIa7ivvOAhUHXBQKHdtiBVEQ6AEIKDAC#v=onepage&q=Ballast%20Hills%20%22John%20Hood%22&f=false
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We only know of two John Hood's in Gateshead, George's dad and the publican which I believe is the same John Hood husband of Elizabeth Gibson, as picture seems to becoming together,
You've been doing some digging, good detective work, I'm bogged down with Mary Davison at the moment :-\- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep up your search
That should be an interesting walk down the gravestone path but I hate seeing that !!!! as inscriptions get worn away if the path is used a lot. >:(
Dob's ;)
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If the John Hood buried in Ballast Hills burial ground is father of George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead then who else is buried there. ???
Newcastle
Ballast Hills: List of gravestones [compiled 1929]; burial registers 1792-1853; monumental inscriptions 1707-1817 Ref: CE.BA (MF)
https://twarchives.org.uk/files/7098-cemeteries-and-crematoria.pdf
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A few bits & bobs linking places ???
John Hood X Mary Davison marriage May 1756 Chester-Le-Street, Durham, England
John Hood baptism 1757 son of John and Mary Hood Chester-Le-Street, Washington Durham, England
John Hood b 1756 X Elizabeth Gibson b 1758 marriage Newcastle 1779
THIS NEEDS CHECKING OUT on the original registers ----------its a longshot
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Asarah~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Adurham~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1792-1792~
Sarah Hood burial Chester le Street age 86 birth circa 1792 burial 24 Jan 1778 ? (1880 ?) from familysearch. ???
There was only one GRO Sarah hood Death age 86 between 1877 and Dec 1880 ???
GRO Deaths Sarah Hood 1877 to 1800 Dec
Deaths Dec 1877
HOOD Sarah 51 Wharfedale 9a 108
HOOD Sarah Foreman 71 Dover 2a 485
Deaths Sep 1878
HOOD Sarah 23 Durham 10a 231
HOOD Sarah 47 Brentford 3a 68
Deaths Mar 1879
Hood Sarah Tryphena 1 Newport, M. 11a 143
Deaths Dec 1879
Hood Sarah 86 Selby 9c 443
Hood Sarah 78 Poplar 1c 470
Deaths Jun 1880
HOOD Sarah 63 Pancras 1b 90
HOOD Sarah Alice 0 W. Bromwich 6b 483
Deaths Dec 1880
Hood Sarah 72 Blofield 4b 147
Hood Sarah Ann 5 Basford 7b 86
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BT's
Baptism Chester-le-Street Durhram birth 13th Jan 1801 and baptism 12 April 1801
Charlotte 2 daughter of Thomas Hood of Pelton, - Pitman, native of Newburn Northumberland and his wife native of Longhorseley Northumberland birth
Family search has church register wife was Ann Davison
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SHW-HZW?i=336&wc=9K59-6TG%3A13618101%2C16337901%2C16337902%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Acharlotte~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1801-1801~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Athomas~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aann
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BT's
Baptism Ryton Durham birth 13 March 1805 baptism 2 June 1805
Eliza 4th daughter of Thomas Hood of Dikeheads, Pitman - native of Newburn and Ann Davison native of Ovingham
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SC9-KZB?i=162&wc=9K53-FM3%3A13618101%2C30841101%2C30841102%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aeliza~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Adurham~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1805-1805~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Athomas~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aann~
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Sarah Hood daughter of Francis Hood baptism 7 Oct 1792 Gateshead
Francis Hood X Ann Thompson 21 Nov 1779 Newburn Northumberland
Francis or Ann Hood died Tynemouth 26 May 1833 ???
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Thanks, I'll have to look at your long reply in detail, later.
A Commission of Bankruptcy was authorised by the Lord Chancellor.
Seems a Bankruptcy Case, could even have been a case which started as a Chancery Case?
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5qXbSWki66UC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=commission+in+Bankruptcy&source=bl&ots=YgUmVP6l-9&sig=nlmyE218R8iuXzlIXdTji71C9OQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt54m2wI7PAhXlI8AKHcn7AMQQ6AEIPjAD
P.49
The Foundations of English Bankruptcy: ...
by W. J. Jones, July 1979
Reply - Guildhall Hallkeepers Records
The Commissioners of Bankrupts in the late 18th & early 19th century (and possibly earlier) held their sittings in Guildhall. The "Bankrupts Books" of the Hallkeeper's Office are accounting records that record payments made to the Hallkeeper.
As accounting records, these comprise columns of names for each date that the Commissioners sat. We understand that these books were created to record fees paid by the Messengers to the Commissioners, whose names appear in the left hand column, to the Hallkeeper in respect of the sittings. In the middle column of these records, the name of the bankrupt is given. The quantity of the fee and a date is given in the right hand column.
These records can only be used to prove that a particular bankrupt sat before the Commissioner of Bankrupts at Guildhall. No information about who was lodging the case or who attended is given in these records. The entry in the London Gazette is more informative.
John Hood
Also, I have got three John Hood marriages for Newcastle including the suggested Hood = Gibson marriage, so the Publican could be any of them.
Muster Rolls
We're hoping to get to NA to look at the four Bankruptcy Registers and Indexes covering 1807 to 1810 and Muster Rolls.
Regards Mark
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quote you Mark
John Hood
Also, I have got three John Hood marriages for Newcastle including the suggested Hood = Gibson marriage, so the Publican could be any of them.
Unquote
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Wren lane Selby
-- Your ref is Richard Gibson a cooper father from Newcastle (Tyne)
---Your ref George Hood Cooper a father unknown
-- Your ref George Hood born 1786 father John Hood (Occupation unknown) Gateshead
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John Hood the innkeeper of the Ship inn is not yet connected either above George's
or to John Hood a mariner X Elizabeth Jackson marriage 1779 Newcastle (Tyne)
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This Francis Hood (Year of Francis Bapt and Occupation unknown) of Gateshead (and Newburn) and John Hood father of George b 1786 could be brothers (Hard to Eliminate this Francis as a connection) also Frances Hood (Year of Francis Bapt and Occupation unknown) and George Hood in Knottingley 1813 land tax
Richard Gibson (a cooper) 1811 land tax in Selby)
Francis Hood in Gateshead 1800 then disappears ?
Francis Hood in Knottingley early post 1810
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Thanks dobfarm
Still trying to work out what you're saying in your post (199).
A Siobhán Ryle has in her interests, Ryle, Hood and Spencer. So left a message on her thread at ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195976.msg6055402#msg6055402
There was a Newcastle Agents business called Hood & Ryle of Newcastle in 1811, associated with shipping goods between Hull and Newcastle, but last evening found the Will of ...
Robert Hood of Gateshead (mentioning Ryle)
"Robert HOOD, gentleman, of Windmill hills in the parish of Gateshead in the county of Durham [Gateshead, County Durham]"
Date of probate: 1 October 1812
"Will and codicil used in the court case on 20 May 1816: Jane Stodhart (wife of the Reverend Robert Stodhart), Samuel Hood, Peter Hood and Benjamin Hood v John Ryle, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood"
Three images here, but no George or John Hood mentioned
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11848-147714-50
From "Hood" surname search here ...
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Thought it might be worth mentioning the Hood - Gateshead connection, although we are looking for George and John Hood a Mariner of Gateshead / Newcastle.
But my George Hood had got a busisess acumen from somewhere.
Regards Mark
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Its iffy - But ???
John Hood birth 1737 Bond age Scarborough mariage Eliz Leppington widow nee Spencer 1765,
What was John Hood b1737 above - a bachelor or widower - thought buried 1819 Selby
Thinking about Middlesex Capt John Hood ? in Port Gateshead 1780's
John Hood baptized 29 Apr 1757
SPITALFIELDS CHRIST CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Hood
Mother's Name Mary
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Hello dobfarm
Their 6th December 1763 Marriage Allegation was 1763 (not 1765), John Hood of Scarborough was a Batchelor aged 25.
Bond confirms occupation as Mariner.
I have attached an extract (reduced) of their 1763 Marriage Intention below.
Regards Mark
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Hello dobfarm
Their 6th December 1763 Marriage Allegation was 1763 (not 1765), John Hood of Scarborough was a Batchelor aged 25.
Bond confirms occupation as Mariner.
I have attached an extract (reduced) of their 1763 Marriage Intention below.
Regards Mark
I've known the forms to be wrong info - can't rule out the 1757 baptism London father John Hood as capt John Hood being another John Hood -- not the Selby John Hood
We need the occupation of John Hood father of John Hood bapt 1757 Chester le street as well
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Thanks dobfarm
Still trying to work out what you're saying in your post (199).
A Siobhán Ryle has in her interests, Ryle, Hood and Spencer. So left a message on her thread at ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195976.msg6055402#msg6055402
There was a Newcastle Agents business called Hood & Ryle of Newcastle in 1811, associated with shipping goods between Hull and Newcastle, but last evening found the Will of ...
Robert Hood of Gateshead (mentioning Ryle)
"Robert HOOD, gentleman, of Windmill hills in the parish of Gateshead in the county of Durham [Gateshead, County Durham]"
Date of probate: 1 October 1812
"Will and codicil used in the court case on 20 May 1816: Jane Stodhart (wife of the Reverend Robert Stodhart), Samuel Hood, Peter Hood and Benjamin Hood v John Ryle, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood"
Three images here, but no George or John Hood mentioned
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11848-147714-50
From "Hood" surname search here ...
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Thought it might be worth mentioning the Hood - Gateshead connection, although we are looking for George and John Hood a Mariner of Gateshead / Newcastle.
But my George Hood had got a busisess acumen from somewhere.
Regards Mark
Your George Hood is a pain in the butt ! - full stop >:( .
note codicil B in Robert Hood will - sister Mary Boyd nee Hood
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCW3-7TG?i=584&wc=SDFL-2NL%3A1310038571%3Fcc%3D2365059&cc=2365059
Surname Boyd in Ann Hood Will above link
;)
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Regarding the two Richard Gibson, London Gazette notices of 1807 and 1810, posted here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.144
B 6/15 Certificates 1810 . 1811
Index "Gibson Richard 44"
Page 44 says:-
Richard Gibson of Little Britain London
late of Selby in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman. 6th April 1810
B 4/28 Bankruptcy 'Docket Book' 1806 To 1808
Lists Richard Gibson, Cooper, Selby, stating ...
Docquet Struck 21st May and the Commission 30th May 1807
Sadly in Gibson's case, there was little new information, only that he was in Little Britain London, in 1810.
Mark
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coincidence ???
Richard H Gibson
Burial
10 October 1841
Bunhill Fields, London
Birth 1766
John Hood
Burial
11 February 1792
Bunhill Fields, London
Birth 1755
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Bunhill+Fields/@51.5162845,-0.0908124,15.11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x48761ca9312b758d:0xb08e7cc64c2775dc!8m2!3d51.523564!4d-0.088275
SPITALFIELDS CHRIST CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/SPITALFIELDS+CHRIST+CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND++++/@51.5151968,-0.0859882,15.37z
John Hood baptized 29 Apr 1757
SPITALFIELDS CHRIST CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Hood
Mother's Name Mary
Little Britain London
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Little+Britain,+London+EC1A+7BX/@51.5126186,-0.0904952,15.36z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x48761b54f537cc05:0x1cac2fcd9acf7b9f!8m2!3d51.517311!4d-0.0984889
Richard Gibson of Little Britain London
late of Selby in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman. 6th April 1810
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coincidence ???
Richard H Gibson
Burial
10 October 1841
Bunhill Fields, London
Birth 1766
John Hood
Burial
11 February 1792
Bunhill Fields, London
Birth 1755
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John Hood baptized 29 Apr 1757
SPITALFIELDS CHRIST CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Hood
Mother's Name Mary
Little Britain London
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Little+Britain,+London+EC1A+7BX/@51.5126186,-0.0904952,15.36z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x48761b54f537cc05:0x1cac2fcd9acf7b9f!8m2!3d51.517311!4d-0.0984889
Richard Gibson of Little Britain London
late of Selby in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman - 6th April 1810
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm for the info and map links.
Richard Gibson of Little Britain London
late of Selby in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman. 6th April 1810
I suspect Richard Gibson of Selby had family there at Little Britain, London?
TNA
PROB 11/800/419
27 March 1753
Will of Richard Gibson, Innholder of Little Britain London
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D572084
Regards Mark
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Richard Gibson InnkeeperLondon Probate 1753 ---- Richard Gibson, Wren lane bankrupt ( Marriage 1792 Selby bond age birth 1766 dad Thomas Gibson Newcastle farmer/brewer) - Granddad or great Granddad? maybe! (common link Ships to London)
We have looked for connection to John Hood mariner of Southwark Middlesex for a long time
Need this Dad John Hood trade (If lucky)
John Hood baptized 29 Apr 1757
SPITALFIELDS CHRIST CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Hood (His trade/vocation) ( Buried 1819 Selby ???)
Mother's Name Mary
John Hood birth 1756 X Elizabeth Gibson Birth 1759 marriage 1779 Newcastle
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No occupation given - just an address of Brick Lane, and John was 14 days old when baptised.
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Sorry no trade given for John Hood - John and Mary lived in Brick Lane
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Strange! 'Strange forces at work'
Yesterday I was looking for in Sexton Book in Manchester archives burial July 1778
Sexton book ran no breaks from 1732 to June 1778 then missing July 1778 to Feb 1785
Now BumbleB and Goughy post with a minute of one another
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quote you Mark
John Hood
Also, I have got three John Hood marriages for Newcastle including the suggested Hood = Gibson marriage, so the Publican could be any of them.
Unquote
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Wren lane Selby
-- Your ref is Richard Gibson a cooper father from Newcastle (Tyne)
---Your ref George Hood Cooper a father unknown
-- Your ref George Hood born 1786 father John Hood (Occupation unknown) Gateshead
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John Hood the innkeeper of the Ship inn is not yet connected either above George's
or to John Hood a mariner X Elizabeth Jackson marriage 1779 Newcastle (Tyne)
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This Francis Hood (Year of Francis Bapt and Occupation unknown) of Gateshead (and Newburn) and John Hood father of George b 1786 could be brothers (Hard to Eliminate this Francis as a connection) also Frances Hood (Year of Francis Bapt and Occupation unknown) and George Hood in Knottingley 1813 land tax
Richard Gibson (a cooper) 1811 land tax in Selby)
Francis Hood in Gateshead 1800 then disappears ?
Francis Hood in Knottingley early post 1810
see:- Reply #286 on: Thursday 18 August 16 17:36 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg6032404#msg6032404
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The Will of Richard Gibson dated 1753 leaves his estate, goods chattels bonds etc to his wife Elizabeth Gibson, who was also sole executrix
Witnesses: John Sharpe and John Jarkson.
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The Will of Richard Gibson dated 1753 leaves his estate, goods chattels bonds etc to his wife Elizabeth Gibson, who was also sole executrix
Witnesses: John Sharpe and John Jarkson.
Jarkson (prob mis-transcribed for Jackson) Keeps pop up that surname ???
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Is there additional info like occupation
2nd & 3rd events down in list in link
Hood John 1755 — 1792 Greater London Burial Index Bunhill Fields, London, Middlesex
Hood John 1755 1792 1792 England & Wales Non-conformist burials London, England
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records?firstname=john&lastname=hood&yearofbirth=1755&yearofbirth_offset=2&keywordsplace=london
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No occupation. Address "Lawrance Poultney Hill" Dissenter
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INTERESTING
John Hood 1755 - 1792
Laurence Pountney Lane/Laurence Pountney Hill, Cannon Street Southwark
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Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, Grocer (Dealer and Chapman) 1830
1766 - 1841
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No occupation. Address "Lawrance Poultney Hill" Dissenter
EDIT: Jacomb was also of Laurence Pountney Hill, London (Hood - Jacomb).
Thanks all, for all your efforts.
John Hood 1792 Bunhill Fields
Got a feeling that John Hood death 1792 was John Hood of Bardon Park.
The Hoods of Bardon Park were dissenters and had their own Chapel, I've got his newspaper death notice transcribed.
I'll add it.
Regards Mark
EDIT
Regarding the 1819 Yorkshire Probate for John Hood of Bardon Park, County of Leicester, ... in "Familiae Minorum Gentium" regarding John Hood of Bardon Park dying February 1792? See page 1139 ...
https://archive.org/stream/FamiliaeMinorumGentiumV39/Familiae_Minorum_Gentium_v39#page/n319/mode/2up
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Regarding 1819 John Hood of Bardon Park Admin.
John Hood of Bardon Park died 3 February 1792 per family tree (link to tree in my last post), which is also confirmed in three newspapers:-
16 February 1792 Bath Chronicle ...
16 February 1792 Derby Mercury
17 February 1792 Stamford Mercury
Mark
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There is loads of bumph about him if you remember online
More interest in Thomas Gibson Chester le Street at the moment link Francis Hood Newburn Tyne
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John Hood baptized 29 Apr 1757
SPITALFIELDS CHRIST CHURCH,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Hood
Mother's Name Mary
Same church BURIAL of father John Hood aged 30 on 19 Aug 1757.
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I've added to my last post, re John Hood 1792 death (dissenter).
John Hood, also William Hood of Laurence Pountney Hill, London, were also the Hoods of Bardon Park.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8_dfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA564&lpg=PA564&dq=Hood+of+Laurence+Pountney+Hill&source=bl&ots=48YZfpbb0j&sig=tkNRN4ik3D9SQUZYCeahxk7SUMY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG976CzaDPAhXMKcAKHeETAKwQ6AEIIjAC
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Keeping to exact dates - Richard Gibson was back in Selby on land tax 1811
Commonsense tells us the obvious reason that Richard Gibson was in London and most likely was period boarding address only at Little Britain on dated document 6th April 1810 for the legal on goings also traveling time needed from Selby would suggest him staying in London.
(Its the way the put wording them days)
Richard Gibson (residing) of Little Britain London
late of Selby (Giving home town address) in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman. 6th April 1810
Late (Lately {up to near present] ) of ---Selby
Also we know where Richard's dad was from in Newcastle
It possible Richard had relo's in London bearing mind Newcastle and Selby were ports and the North sea the M1 of the time.
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Hi
I wonder if ol' George Hood was a hands-on barrel making Cooper, or giving his business title of Cooper when he married in 1815. Ten years later circa 1825 he was a Retail Brewer, so had diversified.
If he was not an Apprentice Cooper, he could Possibly be from a commercial background, perhaps starting off as a Clerk for a Business, Solicitor, Accountant, Agent or Merchant. George Hood seems shrewd, careful even appointing an Arbitrator over his Will.
Newcastle Coal Export
There was a John Hood of Newcastle, Hostman, followed by Anthony Hood, Hostman, who apparently ran a monopoly type system and controlled the export of coal on the Tyne, probably similar to how oil, gas and commodities are sold today (a glut of crude oil/gas, or too much on the world market and the price drops).
Be interesting to see if John Hood the Hostman, had a son called John.
John Hood the Mariner
The other thing, is that with George Hood's dad possibly being John Hood a Mariner, then by 1786 Gateshead could have just been the Baptism stop-over place, as John Hood and wife were mobile.
Just a few thoughts?
Regards Mark
EDIT
Anthony Hood was a fitter 1787 Newcastle Directory.
1791 Directory says Anthony Hood worked for Simpsons and Pontop [Colliery] was one of those listed.
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.
Sounds like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.
Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA
A Descriptive and Historical Account of the Town and County of Newcastle Upon Tyne ... by E. Mackenzie, 1827, page 706 regarding collieries, says ... "Mr Hood for Mr Simpson"
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CPsVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA706&lpg=PA706&dq=%22mr+Hood+for+Mr+Simpson%22&source=bl&ots=ZSHeIA0vM3&sig=9XrofJTTLpsxW4y2rzDoSOp9Xuc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKqav2xaHPAhVqB8AKHUhJCCYQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22mr%20Hood%20for%20Mr%20Simpson%22&f=false
It is interesting as a William Hood born Cunnagal? Yorkshire c1780 (in 1851 Census of Collierley & Pontop)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733961.0
Carnagill (by Hipswell) near Richmond or West Carnagill, Hunderthwaite / Baldersdale?
Regards Mark
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Quote
John Hood the Mariner
The other thing, is that with George Hood's dad possibly being John Hood a Mariner, then by 1786 Gateshead could have just been the Baptism stop-over place, as John Hood and wife were mobile
Unquote,
Contraception or birth control was hit and miss them days (Just a thought :-\- still is in some cases ;D)
Normally- John Hood X Elizabeth Gibson: - one would expect to find a string of children baptized & a few infant burials after their marriage...... whether or not !! they were George's parents
7 years after a marriage for a first birth ! and with only having one child.......... must have a reason.
There was only one baptism in Gateshead 1786 of a Hood child father John, -----so mariner would fit that scenario.
Another route to research: is other ports with a singular child (or just a small number of children) Hood baptism with a father John around the coast. 1779 to 1800
George Hood bapt 1786 dad John Hood could have been a journeyman (Cooper Tanner-Brewer- merchant - Joiner ) or stand in innkeeper/manager/moved around different pubs a lot - local or national
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Staging Inn post or complex ! hotel , change horses, stables, onsite brewer, restaurant for travellers part of stagecoach company or shipping line-mariner come Innkeeper
Similar to Wells Fargo
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Small street trades were a big thing them days to high standards in skills & singular trade business needing high skills (Gov) diversifying is unusual (Owner or manager or charge overseer needed the skills)
The parish of birth was the word of law or reasonability of people born in that parish whether they lived there or moved out of the parish, - to put occupation a cooper on a bond legal paper in any parish document of God if untrue ? (Sinclair notes ? are unusual also on a bond allegation 1815 of George Hood )
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Thank you, for your observations
Sorry, but more bad news, re the Muster Rolls, no John Hood on any vessel called Mary listed! http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6060511#msg6060511
Hopefully, I'll find out more about the birth of William Hood (aged 71) born Yorkshire Cunnagal, of Collierley & Pontop in the 1851 Census, whose wife Catherine (aged 55) was born Newcastle All Saints, at Reply 225 above?
Regards Mark
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Its New! Early days- Could turn out a dead end.
Only Hood cooper other than George Hood Selby
Suspect Richard Hood who married to Eizabeth Barrett - 1817 Sutton on Hull- maybe bother of George Hood died 1845 Selby-
( [Had a daughter bapt Drypool docks Hull] Sarah Ann Hood Bapt in Drypool 1831)
Richard Hood
Death
Oct-Nov-Dec
Year 1838
Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England
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Wiliam Hood bapt 9 Nov 1819 Hull father Richard & mother Elizabeth Hood
Cooper •Gibson John, 19 High street HULL in Pigot's Directory of 1829
Could have been trained by Gibson as a cooper (or not)
1841 c say ap = apprentice for William Hood b1820
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756357.msg6060847#msg6060847
Error Image should say 1861c
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https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22sarah%20ann%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ayorkshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1831-1831~
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Asusannah~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ayorkshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1828-1828~&collection_id=2563939
Father Richard died 1838 Sculcoates (Age or year of birth and Occupation unknown
Serra (Sarah) Jane Hood born 1831 married Henry Laverty 1849 Hull
1861 census
W Hood b 1820 Married occupation pauper- cooper - Sculcoates Union Workhouse
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/yorkshire-bishops-transcripts-of-marriages?firstname=richard&firstname_variants=true&lastname=hood&spousefirstname=elizabeth&spouselastname=barrett
William Hood parent Richard & Elizabeth Hood
Richard Hood marriage
Elizabeth Barrett
10 Feb 1817 Sutton In Holderness,York,England
William Hood parent Richard & Elizabeth Hood
bapt 9 November 1819
HOLY TRINITY, KINGSTON UPON HULL, YORK, ENGLAND
Richard Hood
Death
Oct-Nov-Dec
Year 1838
Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England
William Hood
England and Wales Census, 1841
William Hood
1841 C
Sutton, Yorkshire,Yorkshire East Riding, Jennings Street
Age 20
Birthplace Sculcoates Union
Parish Sutton
County Yorkshire,Yorkshire East Riding
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
William Hood M 20-24 Yorkshire
Sussanna Hood F 13 Yorkshire
Serra Ann Hood F 10 Yorkshire
George Harrison M 65-69 Yorkshire
John Henshaw M 25-29
Thomas Finnighan M 25-29
John Pickets M 25-29
Elizabeth Hood
1841c
Elizabeth Hood
1841 c
Sutton, Yorkshire,Yorkshire East Riding, England
Jennings Street
50
Birthplace Yorkshire Sculcoates Union
Parish Sutton
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Ann Whitaker F 50-54 Yorkshire
Heneratta Whitaker F 11 Yorkshire
Elizabeth Hood M 50-54 Yorkshire
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William Hood
England and Wales Census, 1851c
Elizabeth Hood
1851c Sutton, Yorkshire,Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Jenning Street
Age 60
Widow
Mangler
b 1791
Birthplace Withernsea, York
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Elizabeth Hood Head F 60 Withernsea, York
Susannah Hood Daughter F 23 Kingston Upon Hull,
Sarah Ann Laverty Daughter F 19 Kingston Upon Hull,
Thomas Wm Hood Grand Son M 5 Kingston Upon Hull
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Cooper •Gibson John, 19 High street HULL in Pigot's Directory of 1829
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Burials
Richard Hood born 1817 burial 1837 no occupation Address "Groves"
Richard Hood born 1774 burial 1838 no occupation Address Jennings St, Groves
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These are such long threads I apologise if this info has already been discussed
Marriage of John HOOD mariner, and Elizabeth GIBSON 1779 ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE.
Possible first child for the couple
ELIZABETH bpt. 15 April 1781 father John Hood MARINER
Marriage Tynemouth 24 Jan 1804
William COOK and Elizabeth Hood by banns.
several children between 1804-1811 all at Tynemouth. Register states father a Mariner native of Lowestoft or Suffolk, mother native of parish of ALL SAINTS.
On one childs baptism she was native of Gateshead, this was crossed out and All Saints put in.
From BT's, was a mistake made when the BT was written, or was the PR entered this way also?
Plus, wasn't a future grandchild of George Hood given the middle name COOK ?
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These are such long threads I apologise if this info has already been discussed
Marriage of John HOOD mariner, and Elizabeth GIBSON 1779 ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE.
Possible first child for the couple
ELIZABETH bpt. 15 April 1781 father John Hood MARINER
Marriage Tynemouth 24 Jan 1804
William COOK and Elizabeth Hood by banns.
several children between 1804-1811 all at Tynemouth. Register states father a Mariner native of Lowestoft or Suffolk, mother native of parish of ALL SAINTS.
On one childs baptism she was native of Gateshead, this was crossed out and All Saints put in.
From BT's, was a mistake made when the BT was written, or was the PR entered this way also?
Plus, wasn't a future grandchild of George Hood given the middle name COOK ?
Elizabeth Cook Hood 1854 birth
Selby, Yorkshire, England
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Elizabeth Cook Hood - Father James Hood (mother Sarah Arundal - Cook could have come from her family grandparent ?)
marriage to John Blanchard Sugars - father William Sugars
1876
Selby, Yorkshire, England
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Thanks dobfarm & All,
Possibly a John Hood Mariner moving about, at Gateshead and Monkwearmouth Shore, or two John Hoods?
Found John Hood (last entry for household indicates John Hood, changed to James Hood) in Land Tax records in a list at:-
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/AdvancedSearchCatalogueDetail.aspx?SearchType=Param&SearchID=3ed35817-b157-4ab9-9f6d-5ff36b745926&ByRelevancy=Yes&ItemID=910845
Q/D/L 2 Land Tax returns, Chester Ward East, 1789
Gateshead township, Gateshead
Property of Mrs. Clark; occupied by JOHN (Mr.) HOOD
Ref: Q/D/L 6 Land Tax returns, Chester Ward East, 1812
Monkwearmouth Shore township
Property of Matthew Smith occupied by JOHN HOOD
Ref: Q/D/L 5 Land Tax returns, Chester Ward East, 1813
Monkwearmouth Shore township
Property of Matthew Smith occupied by JOHN HOOD
Ref: Q/D/L 7 Land Tax returns, Chester Ward East, 1814
Monkwearmouth Shore township
Property of Matthew Smith occupied by JAMES HOOD
Newcastle Courant, 14th March 1845
On the 6th inst., aged 74, Mr John Hood; he was nearly thirty years in the employ of the New Stourbridge Glass Company, Gateshead.
Tyne Mercury ... 1st August 1820
At West Boldon, yesterday, Mr John Hood, boot and shoe-maker, of Monkwearmouth Shore, to Miss Mary Winter, of the former place.
Newcastle Journal, 10 June 1837
At Bishop-Wearmouth, on the 3rd inst. Mr. John Hood, of Seaham, to Miss Elizabeth Ragg of Birtley;
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DOBFARM ~ I made a mistake with the year of Elizabeths baptism it was 1781 and altered my post accordingly.
The next baptism I found was in Tynemouth
Eleanor Hood bpt. 14 Dec 1783 dau of John Hood, mariner. Abode: Shire Moor
Elizabeth Hood who married W. Cook names a daughter Eleanor.
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I've altered the quote of duplicate box same as yours in my post
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These are such long threads I apologise if this info has already been discussed
Marriage of John HOOD mariner, and Elizabeth GIBSON 1779 ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE.
Possible first child for the couple
ELIZABETH bpt. 15 April 1781 father John Hood MARINER
Marriage Tynemouth 24 Jan 1804
William COOK and Elizabeth Hood by banns.
several children between 1804-1811 all at Tynemouth. Register states father a Mariner native of Lowestoft or Suffolk, mother native of parish of ALL SAINTS.
On one childs baptism she was native of Gateshead, this was crossed out and All Saints put in.
From BT's, was a mistake made when the BT was written, or was the PR entered this way also?
Plus, wasn't a future grandchild of George Hood given the middle name COOK ?
DOBFARM ~ I made a mistake with the year of Elizabeths baptism it was 1781 and altered my post accordingly.
The next baptism I found was in Tynemouth
Eleanor Hood bpt. 14 Dec 1783 dau of John Hood, mariner. Abode: Shire Moor
Elizabeth Hood who married W. Cook names a daughter Eleanor.
Thank you All,
The posts are all very interesting.
Regards Mark
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There is that rich Elizabeth Hood nee Snowdon who left £18000 will prove 30th March 1835 widow of Anthony Hood but she was suppose to have popped her clogs in Tavistock Square Middlesex London late of Newcastle
(Not sure which Elizabeth burial 1834 it is)
Yet Eldon Square was/is the poshest part of Newcastle
Think maybe Elizabeth Hood burial (nee Gibson) Eldon Square aged 75 burial register entry 571 -5th Oct 1834 All Saints Newcastle (born est 1759)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-NQGN-BJ?i=549&wc=9K5Q-K68%3A13617901%2C26205601%2C26906501%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Can't find John Hood
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There is that rich Elizabeth Hood nee Snowdon who left £18000 will prove 30th March 1835 widow of Anthony Hood but she was suppose to have popped her clogs in Tavistock Square Middlesex London late of Newcastle
(Not sure which Elizabeth burial 1834 it is)
Yet Eldon Square was/is the poshest part of Newcastle
Think maybe Elizabeth Hood burial (nee Gibson) Eldon Square aged 75 burial register entry 571 -5th Oct 1834 All Saints Newcastle (born est 1759)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-NQGN-BJ?i=549&wc=9K5Q-K68%3A13617901%2C26205601%2C26906501%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Can't find John Hood
Hi
I can add some information about one of the above ...
Durham Chronicle, 10th October 1834
In Newcastle, ... 29th ult., in Eldon Square, aged 75, Mrs Hood, relict of the late Anthony Hood, Esq., of Wallsend.
Not our John Hood? But ...
Newcastle Journal, 18th October 1834
At the Windmill Hills, near Gateshead, on the 13th instant, aged 17 months, Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Mr. J. Hood.
Tyne & Wear Archives
DT.BEL/2/126 [via search engine, via TNA]
"Plan of Premises at the Windmill Hills belonging to Messrs Hood"
Description: Depicts Hoods Buildings, Millfield and property around the junction of Union Lane and Lobley Hill turnpike.
Regards Mark
EDIT
Newcastle St. John (ages not given)
10 Mar 1833 John Hood = Ellen Thompson
Don't know if you saw these other John Hoods (recently added to a previous post) ...
Newcastle Courant, 14th March 1845
On the 6th inst., aged 74, Mr John Hood; he was nearly thirty years in the employ of the New Stourbridge Glass Company, Gateshead.
Tyne Mercury ... 1st August 1820
At West Boldon, yesterday, Mr John Hood, boot and shoe-maker, of Monkwearmouth Shore, to Miss Mary Winter, of the former place.
Newcastle Journal, 10 June 1837
At Bishop-Wearmouth, on the 3rd inst. Mr. John Hood, of Seaham, to Miss Elizabeth Ragg of Birtley;
[Newcastle Courant says ... "John Hood, trimmer" and spells Birtley as "Birtly".]
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To added more confusion proved 2 John Hood's 2 family units
Both entries All Saints Newcastle (Tyne)
ELIZABETH bpt. 15 April 1781 father John Hood MARINER
Issobel bapt Jan 1781 father John Hood WATERMAN
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The John Hood Waterman has quite a few children in the registers. I'd seen that yesterday.
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The John Hood Waterman has quite a few children in the registers. I'd seen that yesterday.
I think Mark needs to model each family unit entries in All saints - Family Unit to see if there is a pattern of children into the later better register informed entries post 1800 to say 1805 of bapt's & infant burials Also any bapt/burial entries a couple of years before the marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson 1779
Having a child 25 years after marriage is possible them days (my mum was 42 when she had me and my sister in law was 17 when she had my niece - 25 year difference their ages at pregnancy)
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Very true ,
My Gt Grandmother (born 1863) had her last child in 1906.
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See link-and carry on in that link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg6062177#msg6062177
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Thanks dobfarm
Still trying to work out what you're saying in your post (199).
A Siobhán Ryle has in her interests, Ryle, Hood and Spencer. So left a message on her thread at ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195976.msg6055402#msg6055402
There was a Newcastle Agents business called Hood & Ryle of Newcastle in 1811, associated with shipping goods between Hull and Newcastle, but last evening found the Will of ...
Robert Hood of Gateshead (mentioning Ryle)
"Robert HOOD, gentleman, of Windmill hills in the parish of Gateshead in the county of Durham [Gateshead, County Durham]"
Date of probate: 1 October 1812
"Will and codicil used in the court case on 20 May 1816: Jane Stodhart (wife of the Reverend Robert Stodhart), Samuel Hood, Peter Hood and Benjamin Hood v John Ryle, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood"
Three images here, but no George or John Hood mentioned
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11848-147714-50
From "Hood" surname search here ...
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Thought it might be worth mentioning the Hood - Gateshead connection, although we are looking for George and John Hood a Mariner of Gateshead / Newcastle.
But my George Hood had got a busisess acumen from somewhere.
Regards Mark
Your George Hood is a pain in the butt ! - full stop >:( .
note codicil B in Robert Hood will - sister Mary Boyd nee Hood
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCW3-7TG?i=584&wc=SDFL-2NL%3A1310038571%3Fcc%3D2365059&cc=2365059
Surname Boyd in Ann Hood Will above link
;)
John Hood
Birth Date:
20 Dec 1755
Baptism Date
22 Dec 1755
Baptism Place West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
Father:
John Hood
Mother:
Margaret Boyd
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Thanks dobfarm
Still trying to work out what you're saying in your post (199).
A Siobhán Ryle has in her interests, Ryle, Hood and Spencer. So left a message on her thread at ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195976.msg6055402#msg6055402
There was a Newcastle Agents business called Hood & Ryle of Newcastle in 1811, associated with shipping goods between Hull and Newcastle, but last evening found the Will of ...
Robert Hood of Gateshead (mentioning Ryle)
"Robert HOOD, gentleman, of Windmill hills in the parish of Gateshead in the county of Durham [Gateshead, County Durham]"
Date of probate: 1 October 1812
"Will and codicil used in the court case on 20 May 1816: Jane Stodhart (wife of the Reverend Robert Stodhart), Samuel Hood, Peter Hood and Benjamin Hood v John Ryle, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood"
Three images here, but no George or John Hood mentioned
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11848-147714-50
From "Hood" surname search here ...
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Thought it might be worth mentioning the Hood - Gateshead connection, although we are looking for George and John Hood a Mariner of Gateshead / Newcastle.
But my George Hood had got a busisess acumen from somewhere.
Regards Mark
Your George Hood is a pain in the butt ! - full stop >:( .
note codicil B in Robert Hood will - sister Mary Boyd nee Hood
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCW3-7TG?i=584&wc=SDFL-2NL%3A1310038571%3Fcc%3D2365059&cc=2365059
Surname Boyd in Ann Hood Will above link
;)
John Hood
Birth Date:
20 Dec 1755
Baptism Date
22 Dec 1755
Baptism Place West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
Father:
John Hood
Mother:
Margaret Boyd
Hello
Thanks dobfarm.
I've been looking at the Census for any Hood, born Selby and managed to string this together using Ancestry and Free BMD ...
Henry Hood born Craike 1849 [GRO District Easingwold]. Occupation in later Census Brewery Labourer, later Brewery Drayman.
MARRIED
Elizabeth GIBSON BORN SELBY 1853 (becoming Elizabeth Hood born Selby)
(according to a transcription on Ancestry)
At YORK St Olave 22 February 1873
Father Francis Hood
Father: Francis Hood, aged 41 in 1851 Census born Forest Lane Head Yorkshire and Knaresboro' Yorkshire (at Craike Durham in 1841 Census).
Mother: Elizabeth Hood, aged 40 in 1851. Born Baxby, Yorkshire and also transcribed as Bagby
Crayke / Craike, seems to be in County of Durham, then North Yorkshire in 1844.
Census transcription misspellings:-
for Craike/Crayke, is Gayke
for Forest Lane Head, also misspelt Forest Lam Head
Also in one Census the Enumerator has spelt Henry Hood as Henry Hudd.
A place called Coxwold was a possible place for my missing William Hood in the 1841 Selby Census, (Wm Hood bapt. Selby 1816)
Regards Mark
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Henry Hood born Craike 1849 [GRO District Easingwold]. Occupation in later Census Brewery Labourer, later Brewery Drayman.
MARRIED
Elizabeth GIBSON BORN SELBY 1853 (becoming Elizabeth Hood born Selby)
(according to a transcription on Ancestry)
At YORK St Olave 22 February 1873
Father Francis Hood
From marriage certificate
Henry Hood 24 batchelor Groom Sowerby Francie Hood Labourer
Elizabeth Gibson 21 spinster -- Bootham John Gibson (dec) carpenter
Witnesses David Gibson Louisa Walker
Crayke is a small village near Easingwold in North Yorkshire. Was in Durham until 1844
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm.
I've been looking at the Census for any Hood, born Selby and managed to string this together using Ancestry and Free BMD ...
Henry Hood born Craike 1849 [GRO District Easingwold]. Occupation in later Census Brewery Labourer, later Brewery Drayman.
MARRIED
Elizabeth GIBSON BORN SELBY 1853 (becoming Elizabeth Hood born Selby)
(according to a transcription on Ancestry)
At YORK St Olave 22 February 1873
Father Francis Hood
Father: Francis Hood, aged 41 in 1851 Census born Forest Lane Head Yorkshire and Knaresboro' Yorkshire (at Craike Durham in 1841 Census).
Mother: Elizabeth Hood, aged 40 in 1851. Born Baxby, Yorkshire and also transcribed as Bagby
Crayke / Craike, seems to be in County of Durham, then North Yorkshire in 1844.
Census transcription misspellings:-
for Craike/Crayke, is Gayke
for Forest Lane Head, also misspelt Forest Lam Head
Also in one Census the Enumerator has spelt Henry Hood as Henry Hudd.
A place called Coxwold was a possible place for my missing William Hood in the 1841 Selby Census, (Wm Hood bapt. Selby 1816)
Regards Mark
Hello
Thanks Goughy
Not really sure if the Henry Hood b. Craike and Elizabeth Gibson b. Selby, is going very far at the moment.
1861 Crayke Census Francis Hudd (alias Francis Hood) Head and family, including Henry Hudd, son and Scholar, aged 12 born Craike, are living next door to a Thomas Gibson born Craike and Jane Gibson born Stillington and family.
So this might be how Henry Hood born Craike, has come into contact with Elizabeth Gibson born Selby.
However, in 1861 Elizabeth Gibson, aged 8, born Selby, is in the Census at Clifton, City York and her mother is Ann Gibson, Head, W, aged 32, Railway Gate Keeper, born Burn Yorkshire. So a separate Gibson family here, to the one in Crayke.
Regards Mark
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Henry Hood born Craike 1849 [GRO District Easingwold]. Occupation in later Census Brewery Labourer, later Brewery Drayman.
MARRIED
Elizabeth GIBSON BORN SELBY 1853 (becoming Elizabeth Hood born Selby)
(according to a transcription on Ancestry)
At YORK St Olave 22 February 1873
Father Francis Hood
From marriage certificate
Henry Hood 24 batchelor Groom Sowerby Francie Hood Labourer
Elizabeth Gibson 21 spinster -- Bootham John Gibson (dec) carpenter
Witnesses David Gibson Louisa Walker
Crayke is a small village near Easingwold in North Yorkshire. Was in Durham until 1844
Thanks Goughy
David Gibson, possibly her brother, born York (aged 5 yrs in 1861 Census).
Because Henry Hood of Craike has married Elizabeth Gibson, born Selby, I was left thinking, I wonder if any possible links from Hoods in North Yorkshire, to Hoods at Selby.
Regards Mark
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I was checking Hood's living with Gibson's or Richardson's or Gilchrist's in censuses on in the Hull area on Familysearch the other night. A lone woman age 77 Hood b Baxby in the household of one of the surnames above but can't remember census year ) Hood in one of the household born Baxby or Bagby living in Hull area. ( (not mis-transcribed -both are parish names near Thirsk)
Put a Surname of above surnames in search box and put Hood in the other persons box (leave first name box blank)
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Familysearch is best for primary search first, as more info comes up on one page with transcribed info boxes -birth place-address and occupation etc, than FindMyPast And Ancestry singular box family first transcribed census box first of box info (Just saves time)
Then refine findings on FindMyPast -Ancestry for original views.
Also check
Gibson's with Gilchrist
Richardson's with Gilchrist or Gibson's etc or any other combination
Have Ancestry website (free-this weekend) up on another page ready
Also do full all records of an occupation search with surname only on Ancestry website and not just censuses
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Bits and bobs
There is a Thomas Hood cooper b 1829 resident/born Middlesex in cenuses
Also a William Hood cooper b 1849 Resident Burton on trent - Born Derbyshire Barrowash (South east of Derby on river Derwent)
George Hood on land tax Knottingley and Francis Hood (Died 1829 Pontefract parish)
Francis Hood
31 Jul 1768
Baptism
Parish
Knottingley, St Botolph
Father's name
John Hood
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John Hood
29 Jul 1764
Baptism
Parish:
Knottingley, St Botolph
Father's name:
John Hood
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John Hood
Dates
1776-1800
Gateshead
publican food/drink
ship, South shore, Gateshead
Source
1787
Listed in An Account of Newcastle-on-Tyne, 1787, WHITEHEAD, William. Newcastle; Printed by T. Angus for the Author & Sold by him on the Middle of High Bridge
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John Hood
dates 1801-1825 ( 1825 could be John Hood's death year)
Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
publican food/drinks
Rose and Crown, New Road, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
Listed in A General Directory for Newcastle upon Tyne, Gateshead & Places Adjacent, 1824 ?. Newcastle, [Durham]; Printed for the Publisher ... 1824. [Printer, Francis Humble, Durham ]
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Husband a mariner at marriage could be influenced to stay on land by a new wife (a very good reason to change occupations ie; wife's worry and marriage to have husband at home to have/raise a family (or night time activities ;D ;D)
Could be the John Hood buried in Ballast Hills Graveyard
http://www.tynesidesilentcities.com/page_ballasthills_burialground.htm
Must go as someone keeps waving a duster at me and pointing at the vac . :-[ >:(
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John Hood
Dates
1776-1800
Gateshead
publican food/drink
ship, South shore, Gateshead
Source
1787
Listed in An Account of Newcastle-on-Tyne, 1787, WHITEHEAD, William. Newcastle; Printed by T. Angus for the Author & Sold by him on the Middle of High Bridge
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John Hood
dates 1801-1825 ( 1825 could be John Hood's death year)
Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
publican food/drinks
Rose and Crown, New Road, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
Listed in A General Directory for Newcastle upon Tyne, Gateshead & Places Adjacent, 1824 ?. Newcastle, [Durham]; Printed for the Publisher ... 1824. [Printer, Francis Humble, Durham ]
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Husband a mariner at marriage could be influenced to stay on land by a new wife (a very good reason to change occupations ie; wife's worry and marriage to have husband at home to have/raise a family (or night time activities ;D ;D)
Could be the John Hood buried in Ballast Hills Graveyard
http://www.tynesidesilentcities.com/page_ballasthills_burialground.htm
Must go as someone keeps waving a duster at me and pointing at the vac . :-[ >:(
Thanks for your notes dobfarm, I'll look at them and try a few searches.
Wanted to reply on:-
John Hood, publican of the Ship, Gateshead
The scan (extract) of the page, I have previously posted was from Whiteheads 1787 Directory, so you've seen it.
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Re a John Hood you feel he died circa 1825.
Newcastle Journal, 22 Sep 1832
In this town, in Pandon Bank, on the 13th inst. Mr Jas. Faddy, jun. aged 30; and on the 19th inst. Mrs Hood, sister of the above.
This book by E. Mackenzie was published 1827 and the part on Ballast Hills cemetery names a John Hood and James Faddy on the same line.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1JvkAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA413&lpg=PA413&dq=%22john+Hood%22+%22James+Faddy%22&source=bl&ots=51NNMLIwUh&sig=lp3NkAz4EU0vE1Gy1Dr8vTrbWks&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtmIy1qcvPAhWrCsAKHblQBK8Q6AEIGzAA
Ballast Hills was a Dissenters Cemetery, so John Hood buried at Ballast Hills, unlikely to be George's dad unless he changed from C of E.
Done a search of North-east news Hood Obits (Brit. Newsp. Archive) and Directories and I can link up a James Hood, of Pandon Bank, to being a former Baker of Gateshead, whether James Hood fits in possibly with my George Hood, or the other Jabez and Anthony Hood lot of "Windmill Hills" Gateshead, is unclear.
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The next James Hood to crop up in Gateshead area after James Hood the Baker, is James Hood, the Shipowner.
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Can't view it, but throwing Hood and Selby into Ancestry search earlier, with some random dates circa 1800 & 1810 etc., with -/+ 10 years has thrown up two submissions to Ancestry ....
Margaret Hood 1773 Bagby village &
unviewable image of James Hood & Mary Morrison MARRIAGE Parish of Sunderland, linked to James Hood born 1787, so off to see, if any BT image.
No occupation for James Hood. BT copy of marriage has 11th November 1816, (Morrison in BT spelt Morrinson), both of this Parish, no Hood witness [image 518].
I've got hundreds of pages of Hood notes (mainly from BNA), when reading them occasionally, it is possible to link one Hood up to another, or one Hood here, with other Hood/s elsewhere, even when a spouse dies.
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My George Hood seems a loner, can't really positively link him with anyone.
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A George Hood is mentioned in the Samuel Hirst diaries dated online (c.1831 - 1833, I think). Samuel Hirst dined with a George Hood, but can't be entirely sure which George Hood, as Hirst purchased a hunter [horse] from George Hood.
Although, my George had Stables at Gowthorpe, the George Hood of the Boroughbridge Arms was selling horses, around this period.
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So when an Emma Hirst born Ledsham, Yorks, showed up in the Hood household as a "Visitor" in the 1891 Census of Charles Hood born Selby, my brain cogs started.
Bumblebee answered some related queries thank you, but I checked at Library for Emma Hirst and she remains a mystery visitor to the Charles Hood, born Selby, household.
Thanks Mark
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Although, it is claimed Richard Gibson's Bankruptcy file was not saved, I've got a list of other possible archives, retaining papers, relating to Bankruptcy.
Photograph extracts are from a volume titled "Docket Book 1806 To 1808 " Cat. Ref. B 4/28 (TNA).
According to the r/h page Col. Headings ...
John James was the Solicitor or Agent.
Residence: Grays Inn Place.
Docket Struck: 21st May [procedure sometimes called - Striking A Docket].
Commission: 30th May 1807.
This was followed by the L.G. Notice, for Richard Gibson to attend meetings at the Guildhall, in June & July 1807.
When the Certificate was issued in 1810, the Certificates Register gives Richard Gibson's address as Little Britain, London.
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Another long shot
Can't find a marriage or death for George William Hood in uk
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George William Hood is on the land Tax 1810 Holbon (Near Grays Inn) ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON then disapears off the Land tax
Richard Gibson was residing in London 1810
William Hood first son of George & Sarah Hood bapt 16th May 1816
George William Hood
baptism 24 Aug 1783
Christening Place ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 26 Jul 1783
Father's Name Daniel Hood
Mother's Name Jane
Grandson of George and Sarah Hood
George William Hood
burial:
14 August 1857
Selby, Brayton, York, England
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unviewable image of James Hood & Mary Morrison MARRIAGE Parish of Sunderland, linked to James Hood born 1787, so off to see, if any BT image.
No occupation for James Hood. BT copy of marriage has 11th November 1816, (Morrison in BT spelt Morrinson), both of this Parish, no Hood witness [image 518].
This James Hood is a Mariner, and his known children baptised in Sunderland are:
2 Jan 1822 Jane Cockson Hood (could the middle name be connected to Jane/James Cockin?)
14 Sep 1824 Thomas Hood
16 Dec 1827 Catherine
2 Dec 1831 Sarah Hood, born 3 Nov 1831. (Image 55)
The abode for all baptisms was Ropery Lane.
Possible scenario?
1756 George Hood m Eleanor Wetherston, All Saints, Newcastle
1769 James s/o George Hood, Cordwainer
1771 George Hood aboard HMS Orford & writes will
1792 Marriage in Hull of James Hood & Ann Phillips
Baptism Tynemouth:
1795 James s/o James & Ann Hood of North Shore, Mariner
1798 Mary Ann d/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner, native of All Saints by his wife Ann Phillips native of Hull
1800 Eleanor d/o James Hood & Ann Phillips
1802 George 2nd s/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner Native of All Saints parish by his wife Ann Philips native of Hull
10 Nov 1816 James Hood & Mary Morrison, Sunderland
The family is still at Ropery Lane in 1841. Thomas is an apprentice shoemaker.
This may also be connected:
Newcastle Courant 08 October 1841
At Bishopwearmouth, in Albion Place, on the 29th Ult aged 22, Mary daughter of James Hood, Mariner
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Ropery lane will drive Mark nuts with Gibson's and Hood's
There's a few households Hood's and Gibson's - some mixed in same household
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Agibson~%20%2Bresidence_place%3Asunderland~&collection_id=1493745
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBH-26F
Elizabeth North F 50-54 Durham
George North M 20-24 Durham
Elizabeth North F 15-19 Durham
Mary Henderson F 20-24 Durham
Jane Henderson F 1 Durham
Mary Hood F 50-54 Durham
Thomas Hood M 16-20 Durham
Catherine Hood F 12 Durham
Sarah Hood F 9 Durham
John Gibson M 27-31 Durham
Ann Gibson F 25-29 Durham
Elizabeth Gibson F 5 Durham
James Gibson M 1 Durham
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBC-8VH
https://wilthewonenamestudy.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/william-wilthew-pt-1-the-ups-and-downs-of-ropery-lane/
“William Wilthew, formerly of Ropery-lane, High-street, Publican, under the name of William Gibson, then of the White Lion, Union-lane, High-street aforesaid, Publican, under the name of Samuel Brown, and late of Union laneaforesaid,- all-in Sunderland near the Sea, Durham, Publican.”
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Got a feeling John Hood mariner husband of Elizabeth Gibson marriage 1779 Newcastle
possible father John Hood of George Hood baptism 1786 Gateshead
John Hood.died in Newburn Tyneside 1786 burial across the river from Gateshead----- hence no more sibling bro's or sis's of George Hood b 1786 and seemingly no future on records of him, also would explain a lot why George Hood d 1845 Selby does not seem to have immediate relo's popping up in searches or his own history pre 1812.
A loose cannon except for Elizabeth (Gibson) Hood his mum and she could have died pre 1812 George Hood's arrival in Selby and possible uncle Richard Gibson his father form Newcastle on tyne.
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There is a double line after the Henderson's & North's so I think that's a different dwelling, but the Hoods & Gibson's are separate households within the same dwelling as far as I can tell. John Gibson is a shoemaker.
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Another long shot
Can't find a marriage or death for George William Hood in uk
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George William Hood is on the land Tax 1810 Holbon (Near Grays Inn) ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON then disapears off the Land tax
Richard Gibson was residing in London 1810
William Hood first son of George & Sarah Hood bapt 16th May 1816
George William Hood
baptism 24 Aug 1783
Christening Place ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 26 Jul 1783
Father's Name Daniel Hood
Mother's Name Jane
Grandson of George and Sarah Hood
George William Hood
burial:
14 August 1857
Selby, Brayton, York, England
Thanks for the above.
After William Hood's death at Selby in 1870, aged 54 years (William - first Selby bapt of George and Sarah Hood, nee Russell), Jane Hood (alias Jane Casson Hood) is mentioned in 1893 as living at Westfield in the Parish of Brayton.
But no George Hood Sept 1845 burial listed at Brayton.
However ...
"Info from Goughy Nathaniel Hood marr Anne Loftas in 1732 at Brayton"
Think Loftas (or its variant) has cropped up again in one of the related threads, I'll have to chk my notes.
Regards Mark
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unviewable image of James Hood & Mary Morrison MARRIAGE Parish of Sunderland, linked to James Hood born 1787, so off to see, if any BT image.
No occupation for James Hood. BT copy of marriage has 11th November 1816, (Morrison in BT spelt Morrinson), both of this Parish, no Hood witness [image 518].
This James Hood is a Mariner, and his known children baptised in Sunderland are:
2 Jan 1822 Jane Cockson Hood (could the middle name be connected to Jane/James Cockin?)
14 Sep 1824 Thomas Hood
16 Dec 1827 Catherine
2 Dec 1831 Sarah Hood, born 3 Nov 1831. (Image 55)
The abode for all baptisms was Ropery Lane.
Possible scenario?
1756 George Hood m Eleanor Wetherston, All Saints, Newcastle
1769 James s/o George Hood, Cordwainer
1771 George Hood aboard HMS Orford & writes will
1792 Marriage in Hull of James Hood & Ann Phillips
Baptism Tynemouth:
1795 James s/o James & Ann Hood of North Shore, Mariner
1798 Mary Ann d/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner, native of All Saints by his wife Ann Phillips native of Hull
1800 Eleanor d/o James Hood & Ann Phillips
1802 George 2nd s/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner Native of All Saints parish by his wife Ann Philips native of Hull
10 Nov 1816 James Hood & Mary Morrison, Sunderland
The family is still at Ropery Lane in 1841. Thomas is an apprentice shoemaker.
This may also be connected:
Newcastle Courant 08 October 1841
At Bishopwearmouth, in Albion Place, on the 29th Ult aged 22, Mary daughter of James Hood, Mariner
Thanks for this Jomot
Not sure if already mentioned, but whilst looking for the two baptism images (reminder from Claire), found a burial image of Eleanor Hood, 27 April 1782 in Tynemouth B.T., (image number 100). Eleanor W: of Geo'e. Hood No: Sh: Mari'r.
I've transcribed what looks to be 'Sh:' as 'Sh:', but wondering quite what it is an abbreviation of? Wondered if short for Shields, or something else?
No George Hood Sep 1845 burial though at Tynemouth.
Also gone & attached (might as well leave it) 14th December 1783 Baptism of Eleanor D: of John Hood Shire Moor Mari'r.
Regards Mark
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Just following the children of James Hood, Mariner - possible cousin to George Hood of Selby:
1854 - Catherine Hood m John Paterson (Mariner)
1859 - Sarah Hood m Robert Bruce Hall (Mariner)
in 1861 1871 (apologies!) Catherine Paterson & Sarah Hall are visiting 44 South Durham Street, Bishopwearmouth, the home of Margaret Watson 36, Engineers Wife
1857 - Margaret Hood m Thomas Watson - so possibly another daughter of James.
The Sunderland area, was where James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood (34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland 25 September 1863)
South Durham Street no longer seems to exists, but North Durham Street is just 1/2 mile from Blandford Street.
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I've transcribed what looks to be 'Sh:' as 'Sh:', but wondering quite what it is an abbreviation of? Wondered if short for Shields, or something else?
You are right, No: Sh is actually No[rth] Sh[ields]
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James Hood's children in Bishopwearmouth 1861:
19 Woodbine Street – Catherine Paterson & John (7m)
26 Laurence Street – Sarah & Robert B Hall
10 New Hope Street – Margaret & Thomas Watson & Mary A (1)
1863 James Alfred Hood born 34 Blandford Street
1871 James Hood's children living at South Durham Street
Map of Bishopwearmouth - Blan[d]ford Street is next to the Ropery, where James's children were born:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341485 It doesn't seem to retain the 'zoom' so small extract also attached.
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Another Hood family with North East - Yorkshire connections, haven't seen mentioned in any of the threads, but I may have missed them.
Marriage 23 Aug 1809. Hull St Mary. John Hood, 27, and Barbara Elstob 21. By License, so record may have more info.
Birth 17 August 1813. Hull Holy Trinity. Elizabeth Hood, daughter of John and Barbara.
Burial 27 April 1818. Sculcoates. George Hood, son of John and Barbara.
Baptism 13 July 1820. Newcastle St Nicholas. Robert Cant Hood, son of John and Barbara Hood, of Hull. Father a Sailor.
Baptism 1 Mar 1824. Newcastle St. Nicholas. Sarah Hood, daughter of John and Barbara Hood, of New Road. Father a Mariner.
Burial 9 Aug 1824. Newcastle St John. Sarah Hood, age 7m, of New Road.
There is a death of a Robert Cant Hood, York Dec qtr 1853.
Can't see any of them in census.
Alan.
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http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341485 It doesn't seem to retain the 'zoom' so small extract also attached.
Zoom to the spot you want, then click on 'link to this view' at the bottom of the page. Now copy the link, which will retain the zoom at which you have set it :D
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341485#zoom=6&lat=1398&lon=6459&layers=BT
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Has any member got access to different FH trees on various websites to see if any research has been done on all these names coming up in the North East
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Thanks Jen, that's a lot easier!
Another possible connection? - Deaths at Sea, 1863:
Jno Hood, Vessel: Margaret 44471, Home Port: Sunderland, Date of Engagement: 14/6/63. Cause, Place & Date: Heart Disease (?) at Sea 13/12/63.Effects, how disposed of (can’t make out), Shipping Office/When Paid 29/12/63 at Hull. Total of Wages & Effects: £5 16s 5d
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This may also be connected:
Newcastle Courant 08 October 1841
At Bishopwearmouth, in Albion Place, on the 29th Ult aged 22, Mary daughter of James Hood, Mariner
Thanks for all the replies.
Jomot, for all the info!
dobfarm, I've got the two 1841 Census now, for the Hoods living adjacent to the Gibson's at 'Ropery Lane' and a few others.
JenB's comment re North Shields.
Noted Alan's comments on finding Hoods in the Census.
Despite trying, I can't find these in the quote for love nor money ... Mary daughter of James Hood, Mariner, in the 1841 Census?
Thanks Mark
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Despite trying for several hours, I can't find these in the quote for love nor money ... Mary daughter of James Hood, Mariner, in the 1841 Census?
She's recorded as Wood :-X HO107, Piece 309, Book 8, Folio 36, Page 13
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Thank you, I'm Ancestry 'punch-drunk' and been losing the plot for a while.
Managed to find the 1827 map indicating 'Ropery Lane' Sunderland.
Sorry, but it is not where the NLS map led us to believe it was.
http://valentine.dur.ac.uk/pip/iwspip.asp?img=p2387&ref1=2258
Mark
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I think we're slightly at cross-purposes. The map I posted was to show where the children of James Hood were living in 1861 & 1871 in comparison to 34 Blandford Street, although I did incorrectly assume that the Ropery & Ropery Lane were the same area.
This view is the NLS map for the Ropery Lane area per your earlier map:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341485#zoom=6&lat=2284&lon=7916&layers=BT
This is the one I tried to link previously: http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341485#zoom=6&lat=1400&lon=6847&layers=BT
If you move it to the right you should see Lawrence Street crossing South Durham Street. Woodbine Street is two below Lawrence Street.
Oops - try left :-[
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I think you done a fine job Jomot sussing out these families, as for Ropery lane and Blandford Street not being back of one another, well inhabitants had legs and could walk.
:)
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Another long shot
Can't find a marriage or death for George William Hood in uk
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George William Hood is on the land Tax 1810 Holbon (Near Grays Inn) ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON then disapears off the Land tax
Richard Gibson was residing in London 1810
William Hood first son of George & Sarah Hood bapt 16th May 1816
George William Hood
baptism 24 Aug 1783
Christening Place ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 26 Jul 1783
Father's Name Daniel Hood
Mother's Name Jane
Grandson of George and Sarah Hood
George William Hood
burial:
14 August 1857
Selby, Brayton, York, England
Thanks for the above.
After William Hood's death at Selby in 1870, aged 54 years (William - first Selby bapt of George and Sarah Hood, nee Russell), Jane Hood (alias Jane Casson Hood) is mentioned in 1893 as living at Westfield in the Parish of Brayton.
But no George Hood Sept 1845 burial listed at Brayton.
However ...
"Info from Goughy Nathaniel Hood marr Anne Loftas in 1732 at Brayton"
Think Loftas (or its variant) has cropped up again in one of the related threads, I'll have to chk my notes.
Regards Mark
I was not referring to Bryton (Well know Bryton records have already been checked ) as a possible burial place for George Hood d 1845 Selby ---I put George William Hood burial 1857 to show the recurring name of George William Hood downstream in the Selby Hood family, also the significance of the name William to George Hood d 1845 by naming his first son William in 1816.
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Hi Jomot and dobfarm,
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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as for Ropery lane and Blandford Street not being back of one another, well inhabitants had legs and could walk.
Seems a heck of a coincidence if the families aren't connected that they should be so close... it looks further on the map, but its not much over half a mile.
Going back to the Gibson's living in the same house at Ropery Lane in 1841:
Mary Hood F 50-54 Durham
Thomas Hood M 16-20 Durham – App Shoemaker
Catherine Hood F 12 Durham
Sarah Hood F 9 Durham
John Gibson M 27-31 Durham – Shoemaker Y
Ann Gibson F 25-29 Durham Y
Elizabeth Gibson F 5 Durham Y
James Gibson M 1 Durham
5 Oct 1835 - John Gibson m Ann Hood, Bishopwearmouth
John may be the John Gibson baptised 4 Jun 1812 at Sunderland, son of Joseph Gibson (mariner) & Agnes Appleby, but I haven't really looked beyond that.
In 1851 Ann, Elizabeth & James are at
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVM-PQP
James Wood could be Hood
Cath G Wood is Hood on 1841c or 1841c should have been Wood ?
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1851c Silver Street Sunderland
James Wood 64 Seaman -Oswotherly, Yorkshire
Mary Wood 60 North Shields, Northumberland
Ann Gibson 33 -Crocers shop - Sunderland Durham
Cath G Wood 23 .............. "
Elizabeth Gibson 15 ........... "
James Gibson 11 ............... "
Mary Gibson 7 ............... "
Daniel Fairhead 26 ............. NK Suffork
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From a tree in ancestry
Marriage Record for James Hood and Mary Morrison
Category: Portrait
Description: Marriages solemnized in the Parish of Sunderland in the County of Durham in the Year 1818JAMES HOOD and...
Attached To: James Hood (born 1787)
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Cath G Wood has the G crossed out on the original - looks like the enumerator started to write Gibson and then changed it.
So if this James Wood / Hood is the father of Ann Gibson (formerly Hood) plus all of the other Hood children from the 1841 census, then he was born Osmotherley c1787 - meaning we are still missing the James Hood bap 1795 Tynemouth, s/o James Hood of All Saints & Ann Phillips of Hull.
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Think your posts, have partly beaten me to it, but spent some time trying to take the Ropery Lane, Sunderland inhabitants forward. Then I couldn't find a nearby neighbour in Silver St. in 1851 that still lived there in 1861, until in 1851 I met the late Wm Dodds aged 46 b.Monkwearmouth & Sarah Dodds, aged 38 b.Sunderland, right down the street and then worked back to No. 50 Silver Street in 1861 ...
I had not seen your posts, until I came back to post this ...
1841. Ropery Lane, Parish of Sunderland, Durham
Mary Hood, aged 50, Ind.
Thomas hood, aged 16, Shoem., App., Y [Y same county]
Catherine Hood, aged 12, Y
Sarah Hood, aged 9, Y
John Gibson, aged 27, Shoem., Y
Ann Gibson, aged 25, Y
Elizabeth Gibson, aged 5, Y
James Gibson, aged 1, Y
1851. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland
James Wood, Head, Marr., 64, Seaman, Yorkshire, Osmotherly
Mary Wood, Wife, aged 60, NtLand, No Shields
Ann Gibson, Daur, aged 33, Grocers Shop, Durham, Sunderland
Cath Wood, Daur, U, aged 23, Durham, Sunderland
Elizabeth Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 15, Durham, Sunderland
James Gibson, Gd Son, aged 11, Durham, Sunderland
Mary Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 7, Durham, Sunder’d
Daniel Fairhead, Lodger, widr, aged 26, Seaman, Suffolk, n.k.
1861. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland [Ten years later Wood, spelt Hood]
James Hood, Head, Mar., aged 68, Mariner (Mer Ser.), Yorkshire, Osmoutherly
Mary Hood, Wife, Mar., aged 68, Northumberland, Preston [Preston 1 mile N. of N. Shields]
Mark
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James Hood son of Thomas and Ann 1 Sep 1793 Osmotherley
From Ancestry website search result page
1861 England Census
Census & Electoral Rolls ?
Name: James Hood
Spouse: Mary Hood
Birth: 1793 - Orsmouthby,(?) Yorkshire, England (
Residence: 1861 - Sunderland, Durham, England
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I can't remember off hand for the life in me :-[ where I have seem it - But some records online have come up as Low moor- when searching George Hood stuff (Burials seem to irritate the back of my mind ? Graveshead stone website ??). I ignored Low moor thinking it was of Low moor Bradford, but it seems there is a low moor Osmotherley as well
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Osmotherley/
"LOW MOOR, 4 farm houses in the township of West-Harlsey, and parish of Osmotherley; 3½ miles from Northallerton."
http://www.osmotherley.org.uk/parish-council/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/MIs/NRY/NorthallertonMIsE.html
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Cath G Wood has the G crossed out on the original - looks like the enumerator started to write Gibson and then changed it.
So if this James Wood / Hood is the father of Ann Gibson (formerly Hood) plus all of the other Hood children from the 1841 census, then he was born Osmotherley c1787 - meaning we are still missing the James Hood bap 1795 Tynemouth, s/o James Hood of All Saints & Ann Phillips of Hull.
Think Susannah Brough daughter in law came from Newcastle/Tyne (nee Hood daughter of Richard Hood mariner of Sculcoates )
I still think Richard Hood mariner birth 1774 - death 1838/9 Sculcoates/Hull is the key
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As image from one page - Mark has full page
Baptism before marriage ?
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Think your posts, have partly beaten me to it, but spent some time to take the Ropery Lane, Sunderland inhabitants forward. Then I couldn't find a nearby neighbour in Silver St. in 1851 that still lived there in 1861, until in 1851 I met the late Wm Dodds aged 46 b.Monkwearmouth & Sarah Dodds, aged 38 b.Sunderland, right down the street and then worked back to No. 50 Silver Street in 1861 ...
I had not seen your posts, until I came back to post this ...
1841. Ropery Lane, Parish of Sunderland, Durham
Mary Hood, aged 50, Ind.
Thomas hood, aged 16, Shoem., App., Y [Y same county]
Catherine Hood, aged 12, Y
Sarah Hood, aged 9, Y
John Gibson, aged 27, Shoem., Y
Ann Gibson, aged 25, Y
Elizabeth Gibson, aged 5, Y
James Gibson, aged 1, Y
1851. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland
James Wood, Head, Marr., 64, Seaman, Yorkshire, Osmotherly
Mary Wood, Wife, aged 60, NtLand, No Shields
Ann Gibson, Daur, aged 33, Grocers Shop, Durham, Sunderland
Cath Wood, Daur, U, aged 23, Durham, Sunderland
Elizabeth Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 15, Durham, Sunderland
James Gibson, Gd Son, aged 11, Durham, Sunderland
Mary Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 7, Durham, Sunder’d
Daniel Fairhead, Lodger, widr, aged 26, Seaman, Suffolk, n.k.
1861. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland [Ten years later Wood, spelt Hood]
James Hood, Head, Mar., aged 68, Mariner (Mer Ser.), Yorkshire, Osmoutherly
Mary Hood, Wife, Mar., aged 68, Northumberland, Preston [Preston 1 mile N. of N. Shields]
Mark
Hello
Thank you dobfarm and Jomot, for your replies.
Think you missed my last post above dobfarm, previous page linking 1841 through to 1861...
Osmotherly Yorkshire, is one of about 10 Yorkshire places, on my radar for some time, as being around the right age to my George Hood of Selby, another Hood (John Hood) baptised Osmotherly ...
1851 Census Stranton
Village
John Hood, Head, Marr, aged 69, Ag. Lab, Yorkshire, Osmotherly.
Mary Hood, Wife, Marr, aged 61, born Yorkshire, Sands End
From my photocopies of Yorkshire, Hood 1992 IGI Fiche ...
John Hudd, baptised Osmotherly 8th December 1781, parents Thomas Hudd/Margret
Thomas Hood married Margrett Tyerman 14th January 1777 Osmotherley.
Looking at your recent image thank you (Reply 281), Thomas married twice.
A Sandsend on the coast W.N.W. of Whitby.
Regards Mark
EDIT:
1851, Aug. 17.
Re Hood of Stranton , Stockton. ...
During a violent thunderstorm, the lightning stuck the house of Mr. T. Hood, of Stranton, and killed Mrs. Hood.
The Durham Advertiser dated 22 August 1851
The Inquest was held at Stranton on the 19th, thunder storm was the previous Sunday. Jane wife of Thomas Hood of that place was 19 years of age and had been married nine months.
Inquest fairly detailed, bolt came through the window.
As a small boy, it was impressed time and again, close the windows and get away from the window during a lightning storm.
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Not sure what you are saying here ? can you elaborate on the meaning............................. of - as we need a George Hood baptism circa 1785 to 7 to link a place too something.
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Osmotherly Yorkshire, is one of about 10 Yorkshire places, on my radar for some time, as being around the right age (?)to my George Hood of Selby, another Hood (John Hood) baptised Osmotherly ...
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If we can link the Gibson's in the household Mary Hood nee Morrison 1841c Ropery lane, to Elizabeth Gibson married 1779 to John Hood mariner to a possible known baptism George Hood Gateshead father John 1786.
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Not sure what you are saying here ? can you elaborate on the meaning............................. of - as we need a George Hood baptism circa 1785 to 7 to link a place too something.
Thanks for all your efforts and massive input.
Been back a few pages on this thread and I can't see where the above was mentioned recently?
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Osmotherly Yorkshire, is one of about 10 Yorkshire places, on my radar for some time, as being around the right age (?)to my George Hood of Selby, another Hood (John Hood) baptised Osmotherly ...
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If we can link the Gibson's in the household Mary Hood nee Morrison 1841c Ropery lane, to Elizabeth Gibson married 1779 to John Hood mariner to a possible known baptism George Hood Gateshead father John 1786.
There are a numerous amount of Hoods / Hood families in, or from the villages and also the area around Northallerton, North Yorkshire, which is also near to the border with County of Durham.
Family Search, although it is a good tool, was I believe based on their IGI and Colin Blanshard Withers book, dealing with each Parish in each of the Yorks Ridings suggests that some Parishes had no IGI coverage?
We also have this Mariner aspect, so moving about too.
Considering, there were numerous George Hoods in Scotland (3 bapt around 1786, over a two year period) and George III was on the throne, I look at my 1992 IGI sheets and generally suspect, that there might be a few characters missing.
The Gateshead 1786 George Hood is the only nearest one and will probably be the one, but the free online Durham search, which has 1845 burials for Gateshead online, has no George Hood Sept 1845 burial.
Re our village Public House, official Wills were leaving the pub premises to children and a Grandson, who were not on IGI and Family Search. But who after hours of searching films, their baptisms were actually in our local Parish Registers.
Thank you for all your efforts.
Kind regards Mark
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Big disappointment the surviving Bankrupt Indexes failed to give a lead.
I need a helpful Law Librarian, at one of the Legal Libraries to see if there was some type of report on the Richard Gibson case, taken and printed at the time.
Sometimes they will help serious researchers.
I'm going to do some background research on 'Striking a Docket', the 'Commission' process, as this Bankruptcy was not handled at the Leeds Bankruptcy Court.
John James, the Solicitor / Agent in the bankruptcy became the 'Secondary of the City of London' so we are talking about a young Solicitor who achieved high office in the City. It seems to be him, as the son of John James (later the Secondary), went to School in Grays Inn Place as a boy.
These type of Bankruptcies were sanctioned by the Lord Chancellor. In the Indexes, some cases of Bankrupts were being referred back to the Lord Chancellor for an opinion and quite long questions of several pages referring to a case were being explained to the Lord Chancellor, which were copied into the Register.
Sadly, I put everything relating to Gibson on. Richard Gibson must have complied and was discharged in 1810.
Some of these bankrupt cases, might stem from many types of dispute.
Regards Mark
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Think your posts, have partly beaten me to it, but spent some time to take the Ropery Lane, Sunderland inhabitants forward. Then I couldn't find a nearby neighbour in Silver St. in 1851 that still lived there in 1861, until in 1851 I met the late Wm Dodds aged 46 b.Monkwearmouth & Sarah Dodds, aged 38 b.Sunderland, right down the street and then worked back to No. 50 Silver Street in 1861 ...
I had not seen your posts, until I came back to post this ...
1841. Ropery Lane, Parish of Sunderland, Durham
Mary Hood, aged 50, Ind.
Thomas hood, aged 16, Shoem., App., Y [Y same county]
Catherine Hood, aged 12, Y
Sarah Hood, aged 9, Y
John Gibson, aged 27, Shoem., Y
Ann Gibson, aged 25, Y
Elizabeth Gibson, aged 5, Y
James Gibson, aged 1, Y
1851. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland
James Wood, Head, Marr., 64, Seaman, Yorkshire, Osmotherly
Mary Wood, Wife, aged 60, NtLand, No Shields
Ann Gibson, Daur, aged 33, Grocers Shop, Durham, Sunderland
Cath Wood, Daur, U, aged 23, Durham, Sunderland
Elizabeth Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 15, Durham, Sunderland
James Gibson, Gd Son, aged 11, Durham, Sunderland
Mary Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 7, Durham, Sunder’d
Daniel Fairhead, Lodger, widr, aged 26, Seaman, Suffolk, n.k.
1861. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland [Ten years later Wood, spelt Hood]
James Hood, Head, Mar., aged 68, Mariner (Mer Ser.), Yorkshire, Osmoutherly
Mary Hood, Wife, Mar., aged 68, Northumberland, Preston [Preston 1 mile N. of N. Shields]
Mark
Hello
Thank you dobfarm and Jomot, for your replies.
Think you missed my last post above dobfarm, previous page linking 1841 through to 1861...
Osmotherly Yorkshire, is one of about 10 Yorkshire places, on my radar for some time, as being around the right age to my George Hood of Selby, another Hood (John Hood) baptised Osmotherly ...
1851 Census Stranton
Village
John Hood, Head, Marr, aged 69, Ag. Lab, Yorkshire, Osmotherly.
Mary Hood, Wife, Marr, aged 61, born Yorkshire, Sands End
From my photocopies of Yorkshire, Hood 1992 IGI Fiche ...
John Hudd, baptised Osmotherly 8th December 1781, parents Thomas Hudd/Margret
Thomas Hood married Margrett Tyerman 14th January 1777 Osmotherley.
Looking at your recent image thank you (Reply 281), Thomas married twice.
A Sandsend on the coast W.N.W. of Whitby.
Regards Mark
EDIT:
1851, Aug. 17.
Re Hood of Stranton , Stockton. ...
During a violent thunderstorm, the lightning stuck the house of Mr. T. Hood, of Stranton, and killed Mrs. Hood.
The Durham Advertiser dated 22 August 1851
The Inquest was held at Stranton on the 19th, thunder storm was the previous Sunday. Jane wife of Thomas Hood of that place was 19 years of age and had been married nine months.
Inquest fairly detailed, bolt came through the window.
As a small boy, it was impressed time and again, close the windows and get away from the window during a lightning storm.
in red above
I put ---"Not sure what you are saying here ? can you elaborate on the meaning............................. of - as we need a George Hood baptism circa 1785 to 7 to link a place too something"
Quote Mark
Osmotherly Yorkshire, is one of about 10 Yorkshire places, on my radar for some time, as being around the right age (?)to my George Hood of Selby, another Hood (John Hood) baptised Osmotherly ...
Unquote:
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Legals stuf is interesting and if documents can be found on R Gibson bankruptcy mentioning George Hood's postion could help- I agree!
Going back to normal ancestry searching recap ,
4 lines of possible ongoings
We have Blandford street 1863 lead Sunderland- Ropery lane Hood/Gibsons also other Hood's in 1861c census to check in Sunderland and James Hood mariner of Osmoutherly look for possible clues
Gibson's Ropery lane if any connection to Elizabeth Gibson wife of John Hood married 1779 Newcastle on Tyne.
Jenning Street Hull Cooper -namely Richard Hood mariner d 1838 Hull and Sarah Richardson b 1820 Selby residing Sculcoates Hull 1841c
Richard Gibson Selby
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George Hood's age at marriage and death suggest a birth of circa 1785 to 1787.
So began collecting some photocopies of documents involving a Hood (born Yorkshire) at the Library:-
mainly birthplaces off 1851 Census,
the odd marriage,
odd burial &
a narrow range off my IGI Yorks Hood surname p/copies of IGI fiche,
where the age of the Hood, or Hood Spinster involved, could be a possible brother or sister of George.
Obviously, many adult Hoods (including my George) have died before 1851, including some bapt on the IGI Yorks copies of the fiche.
But, it would give me many Yorkshire Hoods by:- a) place of where a Hood was baptised and b) a date and name, (no parentage), just a simple list for the purpose of establishing places of a Yorkshire Hood origin only, (but enough to refer back to the record).
I never really finished it.
Kind regards, Mark
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I remember awhile ago reading that on legal documents the parish of birth had be referred to (not the parish of residence, but only to state residence as to say where they lived) of named persons on legal documents, similar to the poor, where the parish of birth was responsible for relief payments of people born in the parish and even if they lived in another parish in another part of the country
Ie Joe Blogg born in the parish of --------living at ------ in the parish of-------
Any idea on who George used as a solicitor being a business owner and if any documents of that solicitor survive ?
Food for thought.
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Here are the baptisms of Mary Ann & George Hood in Tynemouth:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ic3/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ic4/
Hello All
Looking for comments about the Hood - Scott link and came across Jomot's post on page 17 and the post immediately below Jomot's post (quoted above) has two links to images of James Hood, the Mariner from North Shields.
Baptisms Parish of Tynemouth 1798
It also says:- Mary Ann Hood ... 1 D. of James Hood of No Sh. Mar'r N[ative] of Alls'ts? ... by his Wife Ann Phillips Native of Hull
line above has ... Alls'ts. P Newcastle.
Also, a few pages back, I posted a couple of Register extract images and at Eleanor Hood's Tynemouth burial, it describes her as either wife or widow ... W: of Geo'e Hood No: Sh: Mari'r.
Page 29. Reply #260 on: Sunday 09 October 16 11:19 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.260
Regards Mark
EDIT
Trouble is, George Hood of Selby in his Marriage Docs and Deed Registrations, seemed to avoid Courts and when he was elected Overseer of the Poor in 1838, they only seem to have kept the 1837 election!
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I read it as All Saints.
Re the burial of Eleanor Hood, I looked through a few pages and if the deceased was a widow then this was indicated as "Wid".
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"Parker & Weddall" Selby
I emailed their successors, who have not even acknowledged.
and
Thomas Eadon, Solicitor.
Eadon was linked to the Mittons.
John Luke Haigh mentioned.
Shearburn, Eadon, Mitton and Clark mentioned here
http://www.howdenshirehistory.co.uk/snaith-shearburn-clark-family.html
Clarkson to Hood
One of the Maltkilns (Wren Lane) purchased by George Hood of Selby, was formerly and likely in the occupation Henry Mitton of Snaith, Maltster, Gentleman, but belonging to John Clarkson of Newport, Eastrington.
Petre and Others to Hood
I'm looking at the 1836 registration (purchase) of the premises by George Hood, lately occupied by George Hood, but at the last Survey [of the Manor - not found] were occupied by Richard Gibson and Thomas Holliday [possibly alias Halliday].
The document of Edward Robert Petre, was attested by Edward Parker of Selby, Gentleman and William White of No. 108 Cheapside in the City of London, Gentleman.
Those involved in the Release document:- William Henry Francis Lord Petre and Henry Charles Earl of Surrey Edward Robert Petre Charles Henry Pigot of Great Marlborough Street county of Middlesex Gentleman George Hood Wm Mafrey of Selby Merchant Edward White of Great Marlborough Street Gentleman and Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby ...
EDIT: seems the above names don't help me much.
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This kicked off too, later in 1807 in London, mentioning William White deceased and asking for the Hoods at East Stoke, Hampshire (might just be a coincidence) ...
London, November 25, 1807.
Notice is hereby given to George Hood, William Hood,
and Richard Hood, the Three Sons of Richard Hood,
of the Parish of East-Stoke, Dorsetshire, by Rachael Hood,
his late Wife, the Nephews of William White, formerly
Servant to Mr. Quinnell, of Chichester, and late of Ripley,
in Surrey, deceased, that if they do not, on or before the 24th
of June next, apply to James Taplin, of Maid-Lane, South-
wark, Maltster, or Abraham Fenn, of Cobham, Surrey, Vic-
tualler, the Executors of the said Deceased, and prove them-
selves respectively to have been resident within that Part of
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland called
Great Britain, in the Month of May 1806, when the said
Deceased died, they will be excluded from all Benefit which
otherwise they would be entitled to under the Will of their
late Uncle, the said William White, deceased.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/16093/page/1638/data.pdf
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Regarding the two Richard Gibson, London Gazette notices of 1807 and 1810, posted here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.144
B 6/15 Certificates 1810 . 1811
Index "Gibson Richard 44"
Page 44 says:-
Richard Gibson of Little Britain London
late of Selby in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman. 6th April 1810
B 4/28 Bankruptcy 'Docket Book' 1806 To 1808
Lists Richard Gibson, Cooper, Selby, stating ...
Docket Struck 21st May and the Commission 30th May 1807
Sadly in Gibson's case, there was little new information, only that he was in Little Britain London, in 1810.
Mark
Hello All
Thank you very much for replies.
Despite its catalogued date, I feel, we need to see this Will, to see if it is the same Gibson family? Perhaps the Hood - Gibson link was already established in a business way.
Will of Richard Gibson, Innholder of Little Britain London
PROB 11/800/419
27 March 1753
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D572084
The 'posh' Hoods (as dobfarm calls them) of Newcastle and Gateshead were involved with the Newcastle Hostmen (three Hood generations), a type of business cartel controlling the shipment of coal (and likely coal prices) from Newcastle to London. I posted some scan extracts from a book of the three Hood generations who were Newcastle Hostmen ... Page 26 Reply #225 on: Wednesday 21 September 16 23:37 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.225
Shipment of Newcastle coal to London.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostmen_of_Newcastle_upon_Tyne
Seems the working class Mariner Hoods were likely involved in the shipment, to London.
Mining is thirsty work and drink / brewing was heavily associated with mining areas and the Hood name too, hence my George Hood becoming a Brewer.
Control export & shipment, giving us Hood & Ryle of Newcastle and Hood Mariners and other families involved in the same work.
It is likely that each family involved, will have an Agent controlling the London end. Too much coal arriving and the price drops.
Regards Mark
William Ord, son of Thomas Ord were Newcastle Hostmen too and William Ord of Fenham Hall, Newcastle upon Tyne, was near Halls Gates.
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Well Little Britain is a known link or hard fact, to R Gibson a cooper, his dad was from Newcastle (Tyne) and Inn keepers did move about the country and the Hood Publican/Inn keepers around the Tyne area.
Which one was the loose cannon.
That other hard fact ! as a lonesome PR entry:- no future -no links of before origins can be found baptism George Hood son of John 1786 Gateshead (NO sibings-Why - ?)
Least George Hood a Cooper Selby had a traceable future 1812 -1845
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The Will of Richard Gibson 1753 has been discussed before. All his money stocks goods and chattels were bequeathed to his wife Elizabeth Gibson. There is no mention of family. The witnesses were a John Jackson and John Sharp.
Claire
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This may have been posted before, but I'm losing track.
Morning Advertiser 18 August 1830
BREWING Utensils - To be sold a capital Ten-bushel Mash-tub, a square Cooler and Under-back, a quantity of 63, 36, 30 and 18 gallon Casks, a capital Narrow-wheel Cart with chain sides, light and very strong, three large Sugar baskets - the above will be sold cheap. Apply to Richard Gibson No, 71 Blackfriars Road
Richard Gibson of Newcastle/Selby/Little Britain would have been close to 70 by 1830, but thought it worth mentioning for the connection to brewing.
Edited: Seems this Richard Gibson was a grocer - he petitioned for the bankruptcy of Henry Gilbert, Grocer & Tea Dealer per Perry's Bankrupt Gazette 23 October 1828. Also petitioned against Christopher Morris in 1820.
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This may have been posted before, but I'm losing track.
Morning Advertiser 18 August 1830
BREWING Utensils - To be sold a capital Ten-bushel Mash-tub, a square Cooler and Under-back, a quantity of 63, 36, 30 and 18 gallon Casks, a capital Narrow-wheel Cart with chain sides, light and very strong, three large Sugar baskets - the above will be sold cheap. Apply to Richard Gibson No, 71 Blackfriars Road
Richard Gibson of Newcastle/Selby/Little Britain would have been close to 70 by 1830, but thought it worth mentioning for the connection to brewing.
Edited: Seems this Richard Gibson was a grocer - he petitioned for the bankruptcy of Henry Gilbert, Grocer & Tea Dealer per Perry's Bankrupt Gazette 23 October 1828. Also petitioned against Christopher Morris in 1820.
Thanks Claire and Jomot
B 3/2066
In the matter of Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, grocer (dealer and chapman), bankrupt.
Date of commission of bankruptcy: 16 April 1830
G43/80
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C478183
1830 is still within 25 year file retention period of 1810 and if this Grocer is the same Richard Gibson, it might contain some goodies from the previous file, although I can't be that fortunate, can I.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oTJKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA561&lpg=PA561&dq=1830+Commision+of+Bankruptcy+Richard+Gibson&source=bl&ots=5Wl2OjIif4&sig=kBKff11hjf_uUa2_YAOus3NTXos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRhs2-ktvPAhWFCsAKHYktB-cQ6AEIHTAA
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Here is another Gibson (if one business has caused the other to go bankrupt) we'll check next time ...
B 3/2652
In the matter of William Hogarth Gibson of 3 Saville Row, Walworth, Surrey, warehouseman, bankrupt.
Date of commission of bankruptcy: 29 May 1807
G28/66
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C478769
Regards Mark
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B 3/2066
In the matter of Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, grocer (dealer and chapman), bankrupt.
Date of commission of bankruptcy: 16 April 1830
G43/80
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C478183
Richard Gibson, Grocer of Great Surrey Street was baptising children in Southwark from around 1815, so too young to be Richard from Selby. He in turn may have been baptised 21 May 1785 at Rotherhithe, the son of Richard & Ann Gibson.
One or other of these may have become involved with a Robert Bolton who was also made bankrupt. The Hull Packet 12 April 1833 refers to Robert Bolton formerly residing at New Street, Kennington, Surrey, then Ocean Place Hull, then Junction Street and also Market Place Hull, "aforesaid carrying on business with RICHARD GIBSON under the firm of GIBSON AND BOLTON as Grocers and tea dealers". Also carried on a business with a Thomas Newsom. The article states he (Bolton) was in Fleet Prison, and coincidentally there is a Rd Gibson aged 75 in Fleet prison in 1841, but states born in county.
A few years earlier a Robert Bolton, spice and coffee dealer, had been sent to prison for 2-years for insurance fraud, and the Evening Mail of 18 January 1828 briefly mentions a Richard Gibson as a witness.
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Richard and Eleanor had a few children, but from the baptism of his daughter Elizabeth in 1800
Elizabeth daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer, and by Elizabeth his wife daughter of --- Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland
So looking for a Richard Gibson born c 1766 near Newcastle son of Thomas and Elizabeth.
EDIT:
Elianor daughter of Leonard Colbert, woodman of Selby, by Elianor his wife daughter of Matthew Lofthouse of Seathingwell in the parish of Saxon, farmer.
John Brown apparently linked to George Hood of Langthorp?
Newcastle Journal, 2nd May 1846
BOROUGHBRIDGE
Lot 1. All that Spacious and Valuable Messuage, with the Shops, Warehouses, Salt Depot, Stable, Cowhouse, Out-Offices, Yard, and Garden thereto, upon which Premises an extensive Grocery and Drapery business has been carried on for a great many Years by Mr John Brown, and his Predeccessors, Mr Smith, Mr Dew, and Mr Scruton.
[description of other Lots] ...
The above Property, eligibly situate in Boroughbridge, is now in the Occupation of the Assignees of Mr John Brown, and is Freehold of Inheritance.
Further particulars may be obtained of Mr George Hood, of Langthorp; Mr Henry Burton of Newton upon Ouse; or at the Office of Mr Hirst, Solicitor, Boroughbridge, Yorkshire.
Seem to recall that John Brown had Assigned a property to George Hood after money trouble, but the property advertised "is Freehold of Inheritance."
However, advertisement says the property "is Freehold of Inheritance.", if George Hood of Langthorp, had a family connection to John Brown and John Brown was family of the Brown in Claire's quote above, then George Hood of Langthorp could be linked?
One Law book p.66 in the link seemed vague ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SidMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=%22Freehold+of+Inheritance%22&source=bl&ots=N6plMXmvr8&sig=iEZyLceBR0IH7a3qQTiWN2px4LI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi04fHMtNzPAhWsD8AKHeotA9cQ6AEIJzAE
Case ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=E2MwAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA359&lpg=PA359&dq=%22Freehold+of+Inheritance%22&source=bl&ots=LMH0ziY72k&sig=pXSd8r6qfzTPDgJQl87Yd27hp1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi04fHMtNzPAhWsD8AKHeotA9cQ6AEILjAH
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Hi
Found this in The Newcastle Guardian ... 5th December 1863 ...
At Sanitary row, on the 29th ult., aged 85, Mr. William Hood.
(Birth circa 1778)
Can't see this William Hood in the 1863 & 1864 Probate Calendars.
Do the earlier Census confirm if he was born Newcastle and any burial information, please?
If born Newcastle he might be around the 24 Jan 1779 Newcastle All Saints Bapt., of William son of John Hood, the Wat'n?
If he is, and the burial does not reveal anything, I'm considering ordering the Death Certificate, to see if a descendant was present at death?
Regards Mark
EDIT: I've been thinking, even if this William Hood was baptised Newcastle in January 1779, father John Hood, Waterman, unless William was born out of wedlock, John Hood, mariner and Elizabeth Gibson did not marry at Newcastle until 15th December 1779.
So it seems that there are two John Hoods, one a Waterman and the other John Hood, a Mariner, at least.
Therefore, even if William Hood (d.1863, aged 85) was born Newcastle and a traceable descendant was present at death, it seems there were two John Hoods at Newcastle at least, late 1770s.
The Northumberland IGI at our Library indicates a John Hood married Mary Starling 18 April 1779 Newcastle All Saints, so perhaps he was the Waterman, or later the Victualler/ Publican?
It highlights the need for us to come up to the Archives and check a few things out.
A Robert Hood and Mary of Newcastle, were likely Independent because daughter Jane Hood was baptised at the Postern Street Independent, so the John Hood (likely a 3rd John Hood) buried at Ballast Hills (Dissenters Cemetery) was probably linked to their family.
John Hoods are like buses, you wait ages for 1, then 3 come at once.
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John Hood son of John Hood baptized 12 Dec 1745 Gateshead, Durham, England
John Wood x Isabella Siddeway marriage 12 February 1786/7 Gateshead, Durham, England----- ?
John Wood X Margt. Maddison marriage 4 March 1777 Gateshead, Durham, England ------- ?
George son of John Hood baptized 1 Oct 1786/7 Gateshead, Durham, England
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Found this in The Newcastle Guardian ... 5th December 1863 ...
At Sanitary row, on the 29th ult., aged 85, Mr. William Hood.
(Birth circa 1778)
I cant seem to find a Sanitary Row in the 1861, or even the 1871. However, in 1861 there is a William HEAD aged 60, Retired Seaman, born Scotland. Listed as the Uncle of Hannah Innass - RG9/3827/64/12
On Ancestry someone has added the following correction:
William Hood rather than William Head
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Family name is Hood not Head. Hannah Inness' mother's maiden name. Hannah Inness is also living with William Hood in Chatham Pl Ncle 1841
The 1841 lists him as William Hood, 60 (again!), Mariner, Born in County - Yes :-X
Forgot to mention - both addresses are within the parish of All Saints.
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Possible for 1851 - HO107/2407/180/32
William Hood, Head, 70, Born Berwick, Sailor (but could be Tailor)
William Robertson, 47, Born Berwick, Sailor. Relationship to head left blank.
The enumerator has made a bit of a mess of the married / unmarried column, but it looks to me like both are unmarried.
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Hannah's husband was John Inness.
March qtr 1841, Gateshead - 1841 John Inness & (possible partner) Hannah Robertson
3 Aug 1801, All Saints, Newcastle - William Robertson m Eleanor Hood
Baptisms of various children:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioa/
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I was checking Hood's living with Gibson's or Richardson's or Gilchrist's in censuses on in the Hull area on Familysearch the other night. A lone woman age 77 Hood b Baxby in the household of one of the surnames above but can't remember census year ) Hood in one of the household born Baxby or Bagby living in Hull area. ( (not mis-transcribed -both are parish names near Thirsk)
Put a Surname of above surnames in search box and put Hood in the other persons box (leave first name box blank)
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Familysearch is best for primary search first, as more info comes up on one page with transcribed info boxes -birth place-address and occupation etc, than FindMyPast And Ancestry singular box family first transcribed census box first of box info (Just saves time)
Then refine findings on FindMyPast -Ancestry for original views.
Also check
Gibson's with Gilchrist
Richardson's with [b]Gilchrist or [/b]Gibson's etc or any other combination
Have Ancestry website (free-this weekend) up on another page ready
Also do full all records of an occupation search with surname only on Ancestry website and not just censuses
James Hood X Jane Gilchrist
marriage
29 July 1816
Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Berwick boarders Scotland
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Coincidence ?
John Hood X Jane Corbett
27 Mar 1797
Saint Nicholas, Colchester, Essex (?), England
Robert Atkinson X Martha Hood Married Gateshead 27 July 1828
Mary Jane daughter of Richard and Martha Atkinson 21 July 1829 baptized Gateshead
1841c
Stourbridge in Gateshead
John Hood 70 born not in county (?)
Jane Hood 72 born not in county (?)
Mary Jane Atkinson 12 born in county
1851c
Martha Atkinson 48 Haydon Bridge, Northumberland
Jane Hood Mother F 80 Haydon Bridge, Northumberland (?)
John Atkinson Son M 20 Gateshead, Durham - Occ, a Moulder
Jane H Atkinson Daughter F 19 Gateshead, Durham
Charlotte Atkinson Daughter F 14 Gateshead, Durham
Isabella Corbett Servant F 18 Shilbottle, Northumberland
(This family sound working class, therefore so Isabella Corbett more likely a relative visitor, helping out with house work etc)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6S-W4T
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Quote from the end of my Edit in Reply 300 ...
"A Robert Hood and Mary of Newcastle, were likely Independent because daughter Jane Hood was baptised at the Postern Street Independent, so the John Hood (likely a 3rd John Hood) buried at Ballast Hills (Dissenters Cemetery) was probably linked to their family."
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Hi
Thank you for all the replies.
I had already forgotten the above, when I posted this information on the other thread (Reply 32) under Durham ...
Briefly, Jane Hood of Gateshead, was the daughter of Robert Hood Dissenting Minister and not the same Jane as the one baptised to John Hood the Waterman ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.32
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I am going through this Richard Gibson thread again (catch-up), also taking advantage of the B.T.s and any Hood Marriage Alleg/Intents.
I'm a bit slow on family relationships. When told something, I don't always see it, until I trace it through the docs myself.
We'll have to visit and view the Elizabeth Hood to William Cook marriage by Banns and Eleanor Hood marriages in the actual Parish Register/s (possible daughters of John Hood a Mariner), Apprenticeships, Trinity House/Port and 1845 burials etc.
Seems a John Hood appears and disappears in the Gateshead Land Tax, so either he moved to a property not subject to Land Tax, ceased to be the payer, or moved away from Gateshead.
Q/D/L 2. Gateshead 1789
Property of Mrs. CLARK; occupied by John (Mr.) HOOD
Next John Hood appears in Monkwearmouth Shore in the 1813 Land Tax.
According to the Marriage Alleg/Bond, indexed as John Wood, for John Hood, widower, aged 21, of Bishopwearmouth, the young John Hood getting married was a Bootmaker.
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/AdvancedSearchCatalogueDetail.aspx?SearchType=Param&SearchID=3ed35817-b157-4ab9-9f6d-5ff36b745926&ByRelevancy=Yes&ItemID=910845
Regards Mark
The Wm Hood death was under Newcastle, so I'll try and find Sanitary Row on my 1870s map.
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The Wm Hood death was under Newcastle, so I'll try and find Sanitary Row on my 1870s map
William was with his niece, Hannah Inness, whose mother was Eleanor Robertson nee Hood. From the baptisms of her second son:
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
From which I found this:
8 Aug 1779 (Born 3 Aug) William Hood s/o Robert, a blacksmith, & Isabella. Reg’d 25th October 1800, Berwick.
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The Wm Hood death was under Newcastle, so I'll try and find Sanitary Row on my 1870s map
William was with his niece, Hannah Inness, whose mother was Eleanor Robertson nee Hood. From the baptisms of her second son:
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
From which I found this:
8 Aug 1779 (Born 3 Aug) William Hood s/o Robert, a blacksmith, & Isabella. Reg’d 25th October 1800, Berwick.
Hi Jomot
Two routes of research end up at Berwick-Upon-Tweed at the same time (interesting :) -)
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Paxton is about 4 miles or less West of Berwick-Upon-Tweed
Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
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James Hood X Jane Gilchrist (from 1816 would be be Jane Hood)
marriage 29 July 1816
Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Berwick boarders Scotland
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Another 2 Scotland locations to log
Based on research of 1841c Sarah Richardson Sculcoates Hull
nextdoor Gibson -Gilchrist & Wade coopers born Scotland
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519018.msg3744388#msg3744388
MI's
Chapelton Burial Ground (Glassford parish)
GILCHRIST - (Archibald, Alex & Annie) Quarry farm.
GILCHRIST & BANTAM.
GILCHRIST & GIBSON.
GILCHRIST & McNIVEN - Cambuslang.
GILCHRIST & MORTON.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=688972.msg5328830#msg5328830
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=671822.msg5169652#msg5169652
Ritchie & Inch 1833
Ritchie & Inch 1848
Ritchie & Smith 1816
Ritchie & Waugh.
Ritchie, Gibson & Gilchrist 1782
Ritchie, Hutcheson, Inch & Bryson 1880
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The Wm Hood death was under Newcastle, so I'll try and find Sanitary Row on my 1870s map
William was with his niece, Hannah Inness, whose mother was Eleanor Robertson nee Hood. From the baptisms of her second son:
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
From which I found this:
8 Aug 1779 (Born 3 Aug) William Hood s/o Robert, a blacksmith, & Isabella. Reg’d 25th October 1800, Berwick.
Hello Jomot, dobfarm and All
Thanks for the update Jomot and dobfarm.
For anyone wondering about Sanitary Row, it was given as:- Sanitary Row, Shieldfield, Newcastle upon Tyne (old newspaper).
Picture of Sanitary Place here ...
https://co-curate.ncl.ac.uk/resources/view/41856/
Eleanor Hood baptised 14 December 1783, Father John Hood of Shire Moor, Mariner.
So we can rule out the Eleanor Hood who married William Robertson.
Kind regards, Mark
EDIT:
That is a shame, needed an Eleanor, nee Hood, with her father John Hood, when her first child was born.
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1841 & 1851 for William Hood: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iop/
In the same house in 1841 is William Robertson aged 60, Hairdresser, and John & Hannah Inness, both 25. In 1851 he is with William Robertson, 47, Sailor, Born Berwick, :
1861 has his age wrong and he's also recorded as Head, but is again with Hannah Inness aged 45 (born c 1816) and is stated to be her Uncle:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioq/
3 Aug 1801, All Saints, Newcastle - William Robertson m Eleanor Hood
4 Sep 1815, All Saints, Newcastle, Hannah d/o William & Eleanor Robertson, Hairdresser
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ior/
March qtr 1841, Gateshead - 1841 John Inness & Hannah Robertson
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ios/
William Hood's baptism - Berwick-upon-Tweed, United Presbyterian (formerly Relief) Chapel, Chapel Street (formerly Shaws Lane):
William Hood son of Robt Hood Blacksmith and Isabella Hood his wife of the town and parish of Berwick upon Tweed born on the 3rd of Augt 1779 was baptised on the 8th of Augt 1779 by the Revd And. Thompson. Registered this 25th day of Oct 1800 by And. Thompson, Minr
The timing of the birth of the above was attested to me by his Mother and by Mrs Margt Paxton (?) of Berwick upon Td. And. Thompson Minr
I can only see his death in the indexes unfortunately - no sign of a burial.
ADDED: As we are now considering potential Scottish connections, I'd been wondering about Maudland Hood born Scarborough & married Selby as I couldn't find any other instances of her name within the numerous Hood families in England. Maudlan is an Anglicised version of Magdelane, so possibly that's where the Scarborough Hoods hail from?
25/05/1701 HOOD, MAGDALEN d/o JAMES HOOD/LILIAS BARTLEMAN Dalkeith
17/07/1709 HOOD, MAGDALEN d/o JOHN HOOD & JONET CRAFORD) Greenock Old or West
17/01/1714 HOOD, MAGDELAN d/o GEORGE HOOD Bunkle and Preston
01/02/1718 HOOD, MAGDALEN d/o DAVID HOOD &CHRISTIAN IMBRIE Rhynd
08/06/1718 HOOD, MAGDALENE d/o ROBERT HOOD Dunbarney
10/07/1744 HOOD, MAGDALEN m WILLIAM FAIR Coldingham
30/03/1755 HOOD, MAGDALENE d/o JOHN HOOD Dunbarney
The next instance of anything similar in England is Madeline Hood bap 1 June 1879, Gateshead, d/o Robertson & Isabella Hood.
1851 - Stella Gateshead
Simon Hood 37 Head, Rothbury, Northumberland, Brewer
Margaret Hood 34 Wife, Rothbury
John Hood 12 Son Tynemouth, Moulder's Apprentice
William Hood 11 Son Tynemouth, Scholar
Robertson Hood 2 Son Winlaton, Durham
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The Wm Hood death was under Newcastle, so I'll try and find Sanitary Row on my 1870s map
William was with his niece, Hannah Inness, whose mother was Eleanor Robertson nee Hood. From the baptisms of her second son:
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
From which I found this:
8 Aug 1779 (Born 3 Aug) William Hood s/o Robert, a blacksmith, & Isabella. Reg’d 25th October 1800, Berwick.
Thank you Jomot for that long reply.
While you were replying, I had just edited my last post, as I realised for Eleanor Robertson (nee Hood) to be the right Eleanor, her descent lineage when her child was born, would have to give her father as John Hood.
I had got it wrong, sorry.
I am sorry to have asked you further, as you had already said the father of Eleanor Robertson (nee Hood) was Robert Hood.
Kind regards, Mark
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Jomot
Can you have a look for Ebenezer (Ebenizer or Ebenisor or variants) Gibson b 1806 Newcastle
1861c Ebenezer Gibson a cooper Newcastle - born Newcastle 1806
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FT-LM5
page 9 link below 1832 polls book
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=y4IHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA12&dq=hood+cooper+gateshead&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=hood%20cooper%20gateshead&f=false
Court for relief of insolvents
At the Court House, at the town of Newcastle upon Tyne, in the county of same town, on the 16th day of July 1833, at Eleven oclock in the forenoon precisely.
Ebenezer Gibson, formerly of Painter Heugh (Haugh ?), in the town & county of Newcastle upon Tyne, journeyman cooper and brewer. then of Sandgate, publican and journeyman cooper, and late of Tyne -street, both within the liberties of the town and county of Newcastle upon Tyne, jouneyman cooper.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0QtKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1241&dq=Ebenezer+Gibson+a+cooper+Newcastle&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Ebenezer%20Gibson%20a%20cooper%20Newcastle&f=false
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2169357
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No problem about the Robertson's, although I'm intrigued where Simon Hood, father of Robertson Hood came from as I hadn't found a record of him before 1841 & the granddaughter named Madeline Hood is tantalising me, although its probably just a coincidence.
Ebenezer Gibson was baptised along with two siblings on 21 Dec 1806, transcribed as Gibbon.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iot/
Transcribed as Gibbon again in 1841
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7WN-Q32
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Eleanor Hood baptised 14 December 1783, Father John Hood of Shire Moor, Mariner.
I cant remember seeing this one mentioned before, so apologies if I'm duplicating:
York Marriage licence 30 Aug 1806
William Spendlove 24 & Eleanor Hood 23 (1783) both of Hull
02 Mar 1808, Holy Trinity, Hull, Henry Spendlove s/o William & Eleanor. No further detail unfortunately.
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William Spendlove died c1814 ( from probate record) and Eleanor went on to marry John Nightscales at Sculcoates the same year.
John and Eleanor in 1841 census along with a Dorothy Spendlove, daughter of Henry, Eleanor's son.
There are a family of Nightscales in Selby all born Hull.
Eleanor/ Ellen Nightscales died April 1851
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Hello All
Thank you very much, but please don't lose any sleep over my George Hood.
If it was my George Hood of Selby, baptised Gateshead St Marys 1st October 1786, his father was John Hood, sadly no occupation given, (sent the copy to T&W Archives and Parish Register has no more information)
and
If my George Hood was Nephew of Richard Gibson, it is likely that John Hood will be a Mariner (unless John Hood's occupation changed).
If the Hood - Gibson theory, is reality/turns out to be true, then this gives two females in the area as possible sisters to my George Hood?
1. Elizabeth Hood baptised All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne, 15 April 1781, father John Hood, mariner.
2. Eleanor Hood baptised Tynemouth, 14 December 1783, father John Hood, mariner of Shire Moor.
Hopefully, I've understood this right so far?
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Other Eleanor Hood IGI marriages 1806; 1817 and 1824 are distant ...
Assumed they lived long enough to marry, that leaves us locally with Elizabeth Hood Parish Weddings ...
marrying William Cook 24 Jan 1804 Tynemouth by Banns [image 456, spinster not stated] and
marrying Thomas Patterson 17 Dec 1814, Long Horsley, Northumberland
marrying Thomas Graham 15 August 1818, All Saints, Newcastle
Sorry a bit piecemeal, but my keyboard decided to stop, so posted, to avoid losing what I had.
Hopefully, if any marriage had a child, we might find one (or two even) Elizabeth Hood/s with a descent to father John Hood / John Hood, mariner?
Regards Mark
EDIT
Seems like someone else enquiring about William Cook (married to Elizabeth Cook, nee Elizabeth Hood) of Tynemouth ...
14 June 06
Baptism lookup - Eleanor Cook
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
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Possible son of Eleanor Hood b 1783
1851c
John Nightscales born estimated 1813 Hull,-----------------(could have been born 1814 or 1815)
residing in Selby, Yorkshire,, England
Selby
occupation cooper
household
John Nightscales M 38 Hull, Yorkshire
Eliza Nightscales Wife F 38 Elsternwick, Yorkshire
George Nightscales Son M 13 Hull, Yorkshire
William Nightscales Son M 10 Louth, Lincolnshire
Sarah Jane Nightscales Daughter F 8 Louth, Lincolnshire
Francis Nightscales Son M 6 Hull, Yorkshire
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John Gibson a cooper Hull Directory 1829 could be brother of (Uncle ?) Ebenezer Gibson b 1816 a cooper son of Thomas Gibson (maybe Grandsons of Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate Newcastle -needs more work ???)
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Think this John Nightscales is a son of Henry , possible brother of the John who married Eleanor. I couldn't see any children for John and Eleanor, or any other children from her marriage to William Spendlove.
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Think this John Nightscales is a son of Henry , possible brother of the John who married Eleanor. I couldn't see any children for John and Eleanor, or any other children from her marriage to William Spendlove.
Your honing in again (and Jomot) Claire !! ( the finder of Tom Gibson Hallsgate ;) )
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John son of Henry and Mary Nightscales bpt. 27 Oct. 1812 born the 7th Oct., father a roper. Mother nee Wright: marriage Sculcoates 27 Oct. 1805
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Hello All
Children so far all Tynemouth, of the Elizabeth Hood = William Cook Marriage 24 Jan 1804 Tynemouth by Banns [Im 456, spinster not stated] :-
Burial 1804 (Birth/Bapt not listed Tynemouth)
Mary Cook of No Shields, Dau'r of Wm Cook, Trade Mar'r, Died Oct'r 21, Buried Oct 23, Age 2 W's. [Im 471]
Birth/Baptisms
1805 Eleanor Cook, 4 Sep / 25 Dec, 2 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar'r. N.[Native] of Suffolk by his W. Eliz'th Hood, N. Allsts P.[Parish] [Im 488]
1807 Rosamond Cook, 3 May / 27 May, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mar'r, N. of Lowstoff [sic] by his Wife Eliz.th Hood N. of Gateshead P. Allsaints. [Im 554]
1809/1810 Wm Cook, 18 Dec'r 1809 / 10 Jan, 1 Son of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mariner, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz'th Hood Nat. of Allsaints P. [Im 665]
1811 Eliz'th Cook, 14 Nov:r / 11 Dec, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar.r, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz:th Hood N. of Allsaints P. [Im 714]
Sadly no parentage for Elizabeth Hood, only that she was a Native of All Saints Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne.
I have not checked past 1811, but shall have to enquire if their Marriage entry in the Parish Register has detail about parentage of Elizabeth Hood.
Thank you, Mark
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This is probably far too tenuous, but it involves Hood, Hull & Cooper so I'd rather Mark was the one to discard it:
2 Sep 1788 - Apprenticeship of Edward Bouldram of Lincolnshire, nephew of William Hood.
Master's profession: Cooper, Master's address: Hull http://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/C-BRG-9-108
13 May 1761 Burton Upon Stather, Lincs - Thomas Boldram m Elizabeth Hood, both OTP (Banns Read 7th, 14th & 21st Dec 1760) http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iow/
Cant find Edward's baptism but other children baptised at Winterton, Lincs 1762-1769 were Elizabeth, Thomas, Frances & William.
6 Jan 1799 Hull, Edward Baldrom married Hannah Barnett
27 Mar 1808, Hull, St Mary, William Hood Baldram s/o Edward Baldram, Cooper, & Hannah
Elizabeth Hood baptised Winterton 18 Sep 1734 d/o Thomas & Frances. Siblings = William 1730 & Thomas 1740 (buried 1746).
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Carrying on from Bushinn1746 post,
Elizabeth Cook, wife of William Cook buried Christ Church, Tynemouth 9 Jul 1814 ages 33 years
Abode: North Shields.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioy/
claire
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Carrying on from Bushinn1746 post,
Elizabeth Cook, wife of William Cook buried Christ Church, Tynemouth 9 Jul 1814 ages 33 years
Abode: North Shields.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioy/
claire
Hello Claire
Oh thank you for this, I can search the newspapers for any Obit (if one was placed). We could do with a bit of the same magic, with old Geo Hood d. 18 September 1845. So I need to search more Registers on the link.
Thank you Jomot, I don't recognise any names at the moment, but I'm sure your research will benefit someone looking.
I've not come across Nightscale mentioned by Claire & dobfarm, but thank you.
Regards Mark
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
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William Spendlove died c1814 ( from probate record) and Eleanor went on to marry John Nightscales at Sculcoates the same year.
John and Eleanor in 1841 census along with a Dorothy Spendlove, daughter of Henry, Eleanor's son.
There are a family of Nightscales in Selby all born Hull.
Eleanor/ Ellen Nightscales died April 1851
Hi Claire
Good research above ;)
1841c and 1851c Eleanor in hospital in Hull both say she was born in Yorkshire and 51c being more pacific born in Hull.
Mind you ! Hull Hood's links to occupations, Coopers, Hoppers, Brewers Hoods some with links to Scotland, and Sarah Richardson marriage Sculcoates, - Now Nightscales occ cooper Selby link
Eleanor Hood b 1783 in Hull is worth keeping on that back burner along with Richard Hood b 1771 to 1774 residence Hull (Sutton/Sculcoates/Drypool)
Nightscales seems a rare surname around Hull, Rotherham and Wentworth Hall area.
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Want John Gibson's occupation
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Can anyone find the marriage in church online of Myers Wayman
Myers Wayman b 1835
Age 21
Elizabeth Ann Gibson *****************
b 1836
AGE 20
04 Mar 1856
Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father John Wayman
Spouse's Father' John Gibson
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single
1851c
James Wood Head M 64 Osmotherly, Yorkshire
Mary Wood Wife F 60 No Shields, Northumberland
Ann Gibson Daughter F 33 Sunderland, Durham *****
Cath Wood Daughter F 23 Sunderland, Durham
Elizabeth Gibson Grand Daughter F 15 Sunderland, Durham **********
James Gibson Grand Son M 11 Sunderland, Durham
1861c
Myers Wayman
County Durham
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Pauls
Registration District Sunderland
Residence Note Woodbine Street
Gender Male
Age 26
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Joiner
Relationship to Head of Household Son In Law
Birth Year (Estimated) 1835
Birthplace Sunderland, Durham
Page Number 23
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 3773 / 15
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Ann Gibson Head F 43 Sunderland, Durham ******* widow
James Gibson Son M 21 Sunderland, Durham
Myers Wayman Son In Law M 26 Sunderland, Durham
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Hi Claire, dobfarm and All
Can't help with the 1856 Wedding, but it seems Myers Wayman was a Cabinet Maker, but Myers Wayman of Villiers Street became a Funeral Director, according to a [customers] funeral report of October 1892 at Bishopwearmouth Cemetery.
Sunderland Daily Echo Tuesday 31 July 1877.
To be Let.
TO LET (immediately), HOUSE and
SHOP, 50 Villiers-street; in excellent condition.-
Apply to Myers Wayman, the house below, or to Mr. Gibson,
Cloisters.
There was a shipowner, a Mr Watson Wayman.
Regards Mark
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MYERS WAYMAN, Deceased, March 1901 was also of 51 Villiers Street.
An announcement To the Public of Sunderland and District. The business of the Late Myers Wayman, Funeral Furnisher and Joiner, will be carried on as heretofore, ...
Executors
Myers Wayman
Hannah Lane Wayman
March 15th, 1901.
14th March 1901 Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette
The Late Mr Myers Wayman.-The late Mr
Myers Wayman was buried this afternoon at
Sunderland Cemetery, the ceremony being cond-
ducted by Mr Haswell Brown (Borough Account-
ant). With the relatives who followed the
remains from the late residence in Villiers Street
was a large number of friends, representatives of
the Cairo Street, Bethany, and James Williams
Street Christian Lay Churches, and also cab
proprietors, and undertakers, Mr Wayman hav-
ing been an enthusiastic member of the Christian
Lay Church, and also an undertaker with a very
large business, over 300 burials having been con-
ducted annually by him for many years. Many
beautiful wreaths and other floral tributes had
been forwarded. The coffin was of panelled oak,
brass mounted, and wore a plate inscribed
"Myers Wayman, died March 11th, 1901, aged
66 years.
Shame there was no list of relatives!
6th April 1901. Announcement made by the Ebenezer Christian Lay Church, Cairo Street, Hendon.
Memorial Service about his life would be held on Easter Sunday April 7th, Sermon by Mr Wm. Bagley.
Regards Mark
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Hi all,
Sorry if we already have this info
Elizabeth Ann Gibson born on 3 Feb 1836 baptised 4th March 1836 Sunderland.
Parents: John Gibson and Elizabeth Hood.
Abode: Ropery Lane.
Fathers occ. CORDWAINER
Claire
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Hi all,
Sorry if we already have this info
Elizabeth Ann Gibson born on 3 Feb 1836 baptised 4th March 1836 Sunderland.
Parents: John Gibson and Elizabeth Hood.
Abode: Ropery Lane.
Fathers occ. CORDWAINER
Claire
I may be wrong, but think dobfarm is trying to put the unknown relationships together to an old post back on Page 31, of this thread? Mark
Think your posts, have partly beaten me to it, but spent some time trying to take the Ropery Lane, Sunderland inhabitants forward. Then I couldn't find a nearby neighbour in Silver St. in 1851 that still lived there in 1861, until in 1851 I met the late Wm Dodds aged 46 b.Monkwearmouth & Sarah Dodds, aged 38 b.Sunderland, right down the street and then worked back to No. 50 Silver Street in 1861 ...
I had not seen your posts, until I came back to post this ...
1841. Ropery Lane, Parish of Sunderland, Durham
Mary Hood, aged 50, Ind.
Thomas hood, aged 16, Shoem., App., Y [Y same county]
Catherine Hood, aged 12, Y
Sarah Hood, aged 9, Y
John Gibson, aged 27, Shoem., Y
Ann Gibson, aged 25, Y
Elizabeth Gibson, aged 5, Y
James Gibson, aged 1, Y
1851. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland
James Wood, Head, Marr., 64, Seaman, Yorkshire, Osmotherly
Mary Wood, Wife, aged 60, NtLand, No Shields
Ann Gibson, Daur, aged 33, Grocers Shop, Durham, Sunderland
Cath Wood, Daur, U, aged 23, Durham, Sunderland
Elizabeth Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 15, Durham, Sunderland
James Gibson, Gd Son, aged 11, Durham, Sunderland
Mary Gibson, Gd Daur, aged 7, Durham, Sunder’d
Daniel Fairhead, Lodger, widr, aged 26, Seaman, Suffolk, n.k.
1861. 50 Silver Street, Sunderland [Ten years later Wood, spelt Hood]
James Hood, Head, Mar., aged 68, Mariner (Mer Ser.), Yorkshire, Osmoutherly
Mary Hood, Wife, Mar., aged 68, Northumberland, Preston [Preston 1 mile N. of N. Shields]
Mark
Hello Claire and All
Thanks, I think dobfarm is also after John Gibson's occupation 1835 marriage, but its reminded me, of why dobfarm is interested in the 1835 marriage (see page 31).
Are these Gibsons of any help?
North-East Coast Institution of Engineers and Shipbuilders
1903.
https://archive.org/stream/transactionsnor08shipgoog
Gibson, H., 162, Roker Avenue, Monkwearmouth, Sunderland ... (S) Nov. 1884
Gibson, J. Hamilton, c/o Messrs. Laird Bros., Birkenhead Iron Works, Birkenhead (E) Graduate, April 1891
Member, Oct 1894
Gibson, William Wight, 162, Roker Avenue, Sunderland ... (S) Nov. 1900
Gibson, W. H., 37, Tatham Street, Sunderland (E) Nov. 1884
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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Hello dobfarm and All
Re Reply #326 ... This Mr Gibson, Cloisters, is linked to your Myers Wayman, offering the property in Villiers Street (July 1877) and is also offering another property To Let in 1878, where his name is now given in full, as Thomas Gibson, of Cloisters.
Sunderland Daily Echo Tuesday 31 July 1877.
To be Let.
TO LET (immediately), HOUSE and
SHOP, 50 Villiers-street; in excellent condition.-
Apply to Myers Wayman, the house below, or to Mr. Gibson,
Cloisters.
Sunderland Daily Echo, Saturday, January 5th, 1878.
TO LET, at February Term, the HOUSE,
38 Sunniside, suitable either for a dwelling house or
office.-Apply to Thomas Gibson, Cloisters, or Lambton
Landsale.
Sunderland Daily Echo, Friday, February 19, 1886
GIBSON.-On the 17th inst., at 3, The Cloisters,
aged 74, Mr Thomas Gibson.
London Gazette January 8, 1915 ...
Mrs. ELIZABETH GIBSON, Deceased.
NOTICE is hereby given, that all persons having claims against the estate of Elizabeth Gibson, late of No. 3, The Cloisters, Sunderland, Widow (who died on the 21st day of May, 1914, and whose will was proved at Durham on the 7th day of July, 1914, by John Bell Dixon and Frederick Stokoe, the executors), are hereby required to send particulars of their claims to the undersigned, the Solicitors for the said executors, on or before the 15th day of February, 1915, after which date the executors will proceed to distribute the assets of the deceased amongst the persons entitled thereto, having regard only to the claims of which they shall then have had notice; and they will not be liable for the assets, or any part thereof, so distributed to any person of whose claim they shall not then have had notice.—Dated this 6th day of January, 1915.
LONGDEN, MANN and LONGDEN, Somerford-buildings, Sunderland.
Regards Mark
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John Gibson 1836 marriage to Ann Gibson -a father was Thomas Gibson (to many years later to be Thomas Gibson Halls Gate 1766 ) on one baptism (Tyne=area)
Edited 8.15pm 21 Oct 2016
The marriage of Elizabeth Ann Gibson x Myers Wayman 1856 may give John Gibson deceased as he sounds to be deceased by 1856 -therefore the vicar may have left the box left blank for father and occupation of Elizabeth's father.
Gibson's numbers seem to be like 'identifying an ants in an ants nest' around Newcastle & Durham country and with the vague limited information pre 1837 marriage PR's & if pre 1812 PR's of this John Gibson and Thomas Gibson Halls Gate a farmer/ labourer (worker) being Richard Gibson b 1766 a cooper Selby father above said Thomas being 70 years plus before 1835. I think this route back is a no go'er
Looking at apprentice records in general, its does not always follow a son takes the same trade as his father in many or if not most cases.
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Hi
You may have forgotten this.
Going through my Census copies and George Hood born Selby 1847, in the 1881 Census at Nelson Street, Leicester, St Margarets (RG11/3157 with 22 stamped on and Page 37 printed on form) wrongly transcribed as Wood.
There was a Letitia Gibson in the household given as Cousin aged 18, born Weston Super Mare, Som[erset].
Although Letitia Gibson "Cousin" in the 1881 Hood household, was linked via the Westley side of the marriage (on Rootschat) ...
I wondered if George Hood could have met his wife Cecilia Westley, because of the earlier Hood links to the Gibson family, please?
George Hood (born Selby 31 Jan 1847 ). Letitia Gibson, Cousin 1881 at Leicester?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733067.msg5782496#msg5782496
In 1871, I traced at Laverstoke, in Laverstoke Parish:-
Caroline L Gibson, Head, Marr, aged 36, Schoolmistress, born Dorsetshire, Moreton
William Gibson, Son, aged 11, Scholar, born Weston Super Mare.
Letitia Gibson Dau'r, aged 7, Scholar, born Dorsetshire, Moreton.
Anyway, after much deliberation over which Birth Certificate to apply for, I ended up with the following:- see scan ...
I wonder now please, if Letitia's father Edward Dankley Gibson [or Dunkley Gibson] is related, or linked to the family of Richard Gibson of Selby, late of Newcastle?
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
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Edward Dunkley Gibson bpt. 18 May 1834 born 1833. Northampton St Peter , father Christopher, mother Ann. He was one of five siblings baptized that day~ William, Elizabeth, John and Ann, all given Dunkley as their surname.
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According to Free BMD, there was a possibility that William Joseph Westley married Martha Gibson in 1838.
In 1872 their daughter Cecilia Westley married my 2 X Gt. G. George Hood (born Selby).
The following Marriage of William J. Westley [William Joseph Westley], Schoolmaster, was in the Northampton Mercury dated 20 October 1838 to Martha Gibson eldest daughter of Mr C. Gibson, Queen's Arms' Inn, Market Square, in this town.
Regards, Mark
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Rest of the marriage details
19 Oct 1838 Northampton, St Giles by Licence
William Joseph Westley bach. full age, schoolmaster of Old in the country. Father: William Westley ~ schoolmaster
Martha Gibson spinster. full age of Upper Mount. Father: Christopher Gibson ~ Inn keeper
Both signed
Witnesses: William Hawkin Jnr. and Jane Not sure of surname.
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Hi
I think you have the correct birth certificate, your research is correct as far as I can see. Cecilia Hood nee Westley was baptized 27 Jan 1850 New Brentford St Lawrence, parents: William Joseph and Martha Westley. On one of their other childrens baptisms mother Martha has the addition of 'Dunkley' to her name, so it's the same family.
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What a tricky family to sort out.
Christopher GIBSON married SARAH DUNKLEY at Northampton, St Sepulchre 1 June 1817
Witnesses: Thomas and Ann Dunkley
All parties signed register.
Their first child MARTHA was baptized 10 May 1818 St Sepulchre. Abode: North End, father a shoemaker.
Until 1834 mother used the name Sarah, the multiple baptisms in 1834 she used Ann, plus Ann again for her last two children. In the census she is Sarah. Probate record she is also Sarah.
claire
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Thanks Claire
Quote from BumbleB other thread ...
Marriage - 9 November 1856 - Fordington - by Licence - DorsetOPC
Edward Dunkley Gibson, 24, bachelor, Printer of East Fordington. Father: Christopher Gibson
Caroline Letitia Drake, 23, spinster of Osmington. Father: Edward Drake, Yeoman
When at the Library next, I shall have to pick this Christopher Gibson, up in the 1841 and see if I can find in 1851 too.
Where it refers to William Joseph Westley "of old, in this County," I can say that their arm of the family could be traced back many, many Centuries. If I remember correctly - to when the Normans invaded.
Regards Mark
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1841 northamptonshire: All Saints
Market Square
Christopher Gibson 45 Innkeeper
Sarah 40
Elizabeth 20
Christopher 15 accountant
John 15
William 10
EDWARD 5 ALL BORN IN COUNTY
Class: HO107, Piece: 814, Book: 1, Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 11; Page: 14.
Daughter Ann (15) and son James Septimus (2) are with William and Martha Westley in this census.
CHRISTOPHER Gibson buried 23 Jul 1845 Northampton, St Peter aged 54, innkeeper and of Market Square, All Saints.
Can't see a baptism for him in Northamptonshire either :-\
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1841 northamptonshire: All Saints
Market Square
Christopher Gibson 45 Innkeeper
Sarah 40
Elizabeth 20
Christopher 15 accountant
John 15
William 10
EDWARD 5 ALL BORN IN COUNTY
Class: HO107, Piece: 814, Book: 1, Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 11; Page: 14.
Daughter Ann (15) and son James Septimus (2) are with William and Martha Westley in this census.
CHRISTOPHER Gibson buried 23 Jul 1845 Northampton, St Peter aged 54, innkeeper and of Market Square, All Saints.
Can't see a baptism for him in Northamptonshire either :-\
Hello Claire
This is absolutely wonderful information! The burial information of Christopher Gibson with his age, about him being an innkeeper of Market Square and matching perfectly with the C[hristopher] Gibson (father) in the newspaper William Joseph Westley = Martha Gibson 1838 marriage notice (featured today) and their marriage.
Hopefully, are we saying that:-
1. Cecilia Westley (who married George Hood) was the Grandaughter of Christopher Gibson by his wife Sarah.
2. Letitia Gibson (Cousin in George Hood's household 1881 Leicester Census) was Grandaughter of the same Christopher Gibson by his wife Ann.
Christopher Gibson was born about 1791, but possibly married twice?
There is a direct train to Northampton from here, hopefully his 1845 headstone is still there and might have his birthplace?
Regards Mark
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I can't see a second marriage for him. I think Sarah and Ann were the same person, perhaps 'Ann' was a pen name. She is alive until 1880 and with the children in the census as Sarah.
Cecilia was Christophers grandaughter, Letitia is his grandaughter also ~ Edward Dunkley and Martha Gibson both being siblings.
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A marriage entry in the Banbury Guardian 1845 for Christopher Gibsons daughter Ann to Frederick Perkins reveals that the Inn that Christopher was publican of was the Queens Arms in Market Square.
Location here
http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk/northampton%20town%20late%20victorian%20map%20pubs.htm
took me ages to find it :)
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One would be "one over the cuckoo's nest" on a pub crawl them days. ;D ;D ;D
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A marriage entry in the Banbury Guardian 1845 for Christopher Gibsons daughter Ann to Frederick Perkins reveals that the Inn that Christopher was publican of was the Queens Arms in Market Square.
Location here
http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk/northampton%20town%20late%20victorian%20map%20pubs.htm
took me ages to find it :)
Hi
Thanks Claire. Interesting to find other family, in a newspaper notice.
Seems Christopher Gibson was a Freemason.
"Brother Gibson, Queen's Arms Inn, Market Square, in this town" [Northampton], in the ...
Nottingham Ancient Imperial United Order of Odd Fellows.
London Freemasonry Museum (general information online) ...
"Nottingham Ancient Imperial Order of Oddfellows: seceded from Sheffield Unity about 1812."
http://freemasonry.london.museum/it/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/The-Oddfellows1.pdf
Christopher Gibson - Yorkshire connection, I wonder?
Regards Mark
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From the Freemason records on Anc*
From the records of the 'Pomfret Lodge' Christopher Gibson appears in their records from 1819-1845. He was also a musician, which his son Christopher carried on, as he appears in the same Lodge in 1861 and a newspaper article as a pianoforte player.
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There is a military record for Christopher Gibson born in the Parish of Rowell in the town of (looks like Kellarum but probably Kettering) in Northamptonshire. Northamptonshire Regiment of Militia
Enlisted 4 Jan (year not stated) at the age of 16 'for 5 years and during the war'. In total he served for 31 years 268 days:
County Corps: 01 Jan 04 - 09 Jul 14
Northamp: 09 Jul 14 - 02 Oct 26
Militia: 02 Oct 26 - 10 Oct 35.
Discharged Oct 1835 at the age of 44. Occupation Shoemaker with a ?
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Rowell is probably Rothwell, so this could be interesting:
Hospital admissions:
19 Mar 1808, Thomas Gibson, Rothwell. Discharged 02 Apr 1808, Cured
28 Jan 1809, Thomas Gibson, Rothwell. Discharged 18 Feb 1809. Dead.
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From the Freemason records on Anc*
From the records of the 'Pomfret Lodge' Christopher Gibson appears in their records from 1819-1845. He was also a musician, which his son Christopher carried on, as he appears in the same Lodge in 1861 and a newspaper article as a pianoforte player.
Hi Claire
Thank you, good find! I'll find it at the Library, as I'm also looking for an earlier Census, of an Emma Hirst, Visitor, M, aged 57 or 59, born Ledsham, Yorks (in the 1891 Census RG12 /3762 51, Page 11 for Whitwood Normanton, I've got of Charles Hood, Head, M, 30, born Selby). This Charles is not in my line, but shares the same Grandfather George Hood (d. Selby 18 Sept 1845 - burial unknown).
On the above Emma Hirst, I seem to run out of Library time. I used the free Weekend to fill a few gaps on the Branches (not in my line). Perhaps she had married late, or again.
About 20 years ago, I had searched my line manually in the Census at Record Offices in four counties, coming home and ordering a B, M, or D Certificate (never got one wrong Certificate), back to Ol' stubborn George!
Now I've ordered more GRO Certificates (than those in my Direct Line), just to get sideways relations, or possible sideways relatives.
Thought I saw Music. in docs re Gibson.
A Christopher Gibson of Northampton had his Clarinet (spelt Clarionet) taken, value £2.
Regards Mark
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There is a military record for Christopher Gibson born in the Parish of Rowell in the town of (looks like Kellarum but probably Kettering) in Northamptonshire. Northamptonshire Regiment of Militia
Enlisted 4 Jan (year not stated) at the age of 16 'for 5 years and during the war'. In total he served for 31 years 268 days:
County Corps: 01 Jan 04 - 09 Jul 14
Northamp: 09 Jul 14 - 02 Oct 26
Militia: 02 Oct 26 - 10 Oct 35.
Discharged Oct 1835 at the age of 44. Occupation Shoemaker with a ?
Rowell is probably Rothwell, so this could be interesting:
Hospital admissions:
19 Mar 1808, Thomas Gibson, Rothwell. Discharged 02 Apr 1808, Cured
28 Jan 1809, Thomas Gibson, Rothwell. Discharged 18 Feb 1809. Dead.
Thanks Jomot,
I'm getting this awful feeling that this Christopher Gibson (linked later to the wife of my 2 X Gt. G'r. Hood) may turn out to be born locally to Northants and possibly not have any ties/links to the Richard Gibson family of Selby / Newcastle, who we think might be linked to my 4 X Gt. G'r. Hood)?
George Hood of Selby (d.1845) you are a pain!!
The persons who decided to dispose of Richard Gibson's file and other Bankruptcy files, have not helped either.
The 1960s Public Record Office HMSO Manual says they are (or were in my case) a rich source of family information!
That is why I saw all the Indexes and Registers, just in case!
I'm finding HOOD in actual docs, transcribed as Wood, too.
Regards Mark
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I'm getting this awful feeling that this Christopher Gibson (linked later to the wife of my 2 X Gt. G'r. Hood) may turn out to be born locally to Northants and possibly not have any ties/links to the Richard Gibson family of Selby / Newcastle, who we think might be linked to my 4 X Gt. G'r. Hood)?
I think you may be right :-\
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POLL BOOK ENTRIES for Christopher Gibson
1818: ~ North End ~ Shoemaker
1820: ~ Abingdon Street ~ Musician
1826: ~ Bridge Street ~ Proffesor of Music
1830 ~ Mare Fair ~ Teacher of Music
1831 ~ Castle Street ~ Fiddler
1832 ~ Castle Street ~ Musician
1841 ~ All Saints, Northampton ~ no proffesion listed
He did leave a Will , there is an entry in death duty registers which mentions S. Gibson, presumably Sarah, his wife.
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There is a military record for Christopher Gibson born in the Parish of Rowell in the town of (looks like Kellarum but probably Kettering) in Northamptonshire. Northamptonshire Regiment of Militia
Enlisted 4 Jan (year not stated) at the age of 16 'for 5 years and during the war'. In total he served for 31 years 268 days:
County Corps: 01 Jan 04 - 09 Jul 14
Northamp: 09 Jul 14 - 02 Oct 26
Militia: 02 Oct 26 - 10 Oct 35.
Discharged Oct 1835 at the age of 44. Occupation Shoemaker with a ?
Rowell is probably Rothwell, so this could be interesting:
Hospital admissions:
19 Mar 1808, Thomas Gibson, Rothwell. Discharged 02 Apr 1808, Cured
28 Jan 1809, Thomas Gibson, Rothwell. Discharged 18 Feb 1809. Dead.
Thanks Jomot,
I'm getting this awful feeling that this Christopher Gibson (linked later to the wife of my 2 X Gt. G'r. Hood) may turn out to be born locally to Northants and possibly not have any ties/links to the Richard Gibson family of Selby / Newcastle, who we think might be linked to my 4 X Gt. G'r. Hood)?
George Hood of Selby (d.1845) you are a pain!!
The persons who decided to dispose of Richard Gibson's file and other Bankruptcy files, have not helped either.
The 1960s Public Record Office HMSO Manual says they are (or were in my case) a rich source of family information!
That is why I saw all the Indexes and Registers, just in case!
I'm finding HOOD in actual docs, transcribed as Wood, too.
Regards Mark
George Hood 1845 R.I.P. in ghostly or biblical belief terms for George himself means exactly that for him !
Wants to 'Rest In Peace',
If your beliefs are such -George is doing a good job in after life as he did in life as a businessman.
He's good at being allusive -Got to admire his spirit!
;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Back to business: Regarding 1891 census of Charles Hood and his visitor Emma Hirst. I noticed that several of Charles Hoods children were born in Castleford., four or so miles from Ledsham. In the 1861 census there is an EMMA HIRST in Castleford with family that I'm looking into, birth a few years out, but worth checking do you think ?
42 Bridge Street, Castleford.
Thomas Skinner hd mar butcher bn Nettleton, Lincs
Sarah wf " Castleford Yorks
EMMA HIRST sister in law 22, post office clerk bn Castleton Yorks
John Henry Skinner, son 1 " " "
Class: RG 9; Piece: 3438; Folio: 113; Page: 26
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Back to business ?
That was George's best asset! ;D
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It's fast becoming mine ;D
I've never known such a family. By the time these threads finish or we find what we are looking for, we will have created a one-named study on Hood ;D
Enjoying the chase though ;D
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Think that Emma is with a brother in 1891 in Castleford, age out again though. Drat !!!
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;D ;D ;D
Back to business: Regarding 1891 census of Charles Hood and his visitor Emma Hirst. I noticed that several of Charles Hoods children were born in Castleford., four or so miles from Ledsham. In the 1861 census there is an EMMA HIRST in Castleford with family that I'm looking into, birth a few years out, but worth checking do you think ?
42 Bridge Street, Castleford.
Thomas Skinner hd mar butcher bn Nettleton, Lincs
Sarah wf " Castleford Yorks
EMMA HIRST sister in law 22, post office clerk bn Castleton Yorks
John Henry Skinner, son 1 " " "
Class: RG 9; Piece: 3438; Folio: 113; Page: 26
Thanks for the comments, we'll have to come up again.
It is quite unusual to get a Wedding Notice in a Yorkshire newpaper back in 1815. These seem to be placed by local families in business, with a few by the landed classes. Even some Labourers had a few bob too.
Thanks Claire,
Once followed through the decades, hopefully they'll link up. Says, she was married and a Hirst in 1891 visiting Charles Hood at Whitwood, Normanton. GRO Birth registrations for Castleford come under the main district of Pontefract.
Ledsham, Ledston nearby, Kippax and others, yes Castleford too.
Regards Mark
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Hi Claire and All
Perhaps this Emma Hirst in 1891, a visitor, was on holiday from another country, or misspelling of Hurst?
A 'visitor' in the 1841 Census (Mum's side) has turned out to be family, in my other direct lineage.
Regards Mark
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Unlikely to help with your search for George, but going back to Richard Gibson there is a newspaper article in the Chester Chronicle and also the Stamford Mercury dated 16 September 1791 referring to "an ingenious Cooper in Selby" who had made a barrel that could hold three different sorts of liquor at the same time, with the single cock able to draw any of the three without mixing any of the others. Possibly a patent record somewhere?
https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/subjects%20images/business/british_patents.pdf
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Looking at the Window Tax records for Selby c1780 ~ It does list Jo Hood as a Miller, hasn't a miller been mentioned before ? it has been crossed out, but I'm looking at the record below him which mentions him with a JANE ? ? ?.
Wonder if she could be his second wife (to be)
EDIT: Sorry it's only small, I just can't get the hang of re-sizing ::)
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Hi Claire
I've blown it up and enhanced your image
for (<-maybe Jo'n) Hood Millier (Miller or Miliner
Jane ?appleton (Sappleton -Poppleton ?) spinster for J. Hood or Jo Hood?
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Thanks dobfarm ~ I'm not techie minded at all :-\
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Thanks dobfarm ~ I'm not techie minded at all :-\
2nd post down
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6068855#msg6068855
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Are we talking 'Milliner' here ?
I've sent the original link, this is clearer, some good records for Selby on here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9F6-4JTP?i=737&cat=729257
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1789 Selby
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9F6-4KS9?i=731
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If you can manage to find the original search page there are for Selby church records, sacrament money records, poor law records, all very interesting :)
claire
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Looking at the Window Tax records for Selby c1780 ~ It does list Jo Hood as a Miller, hasn't a miller been mentioned before ?
Great find Claire - it could put a whole new spin on things.
George Hood's bondsman was a Miller, and the Cockin family I was looking at as the possible marriage witness were also Millers. Jane Casson's father was also a Miller, and the 1911 shows Edwin Hood's father-in-law Joseph Smith Shaw as a Miller Farmer.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6082578#msg6082578
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Jane Hood wife of John Hood a mariner burial 1803 Selby
Can we have a recheck on the word Mariner is not Miller or Miliner
John Hood a Miller living with Jane Poppleton (spinster 1789 Win Tax) innkeeper 1788 Win Tax Selby
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100% burial record says MARINER
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We need to check both church and BT's as we could have 2 John Hood 's a Mariner/Waterman or other a Miller
Could be miller come waterman with his own boat waterwheel mill.
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Church record for Jane
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BT image MARINER again
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Can anybody remember that link to Selby 1800 traders with Richard Gibson Cooper on it (Had a distinct authors name)
Want to see Innkeepers names
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Mountain - Selby Directory for the Year 1800
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TaBbAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA53&lpg=RA1-PA53&dq=Mountain:+Selby+Directory+for+the+Year+1800&source=bl&ots=oP3rOXDgJP&sig=QFyaClJiBkRHv-ayg1sc-OTkhkI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4puWQrJ_JAhUJXRQKHb2EBe0Q6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=Mountain%3A%20Selby%20Directory%20for%20the%20Year%201800&f=false
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Mountain - Selby Directory for the Year 1800
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TaBbAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA53&lpg=RA1-PA53&dq=Mountain:+Selby+Directory+for+the+Year+1800&source=bl&ots=oP3rOXDgJP&sig=QFyaClJiBkRHv-ayg1sc-OTkhkI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4puWQrJ_JAhUJXRQKHb2EBe0Q6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=Mountain%3A%20Selby%20Directory%20for%20the%20Year%201800&f=false
Cheers for link
Big question was spinster Jane Poppleton (Poppelton) Jane Hood buried 1803 Selby
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Just dropping this in as a reminder:
Hood's Pickering area:-
John Hood, Cornmiller, Costa Mill (alias Hood's Mill), Pickering 1823 Gazeteer Directory.
29 Jan 1777 – Mary d/o John & Jane Hood of Costa Mill, Pickering
11 Nov 1779 - Richard s/o John & Jane Hood, Costa Mill, Pickering
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Cannot find a burial for Jane as Poppleton or variant. On the 24th Nov 1724 a ROBERT POPPLETON married a JANE JARROTT at Holme on Spalding Moor.
There is a burial of a Jane Poppleton in SELBY Dr. of Robert Poppleton 23 May 1755.
A burial also of Robert Poppleton Selby 4 Oct 1774, which is interesting.
I'm wondering if the earlier burial of Jane is the mother ? Maybe a mistake in the register.
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The 1841 census has the following at Costa Mill:
John Hood 74 Miller
Eleanor Hood 74
Elizabeth Hood 45
John Hood 14
Eleanor Hood 7
All born in County
And at nearby Westgate, Pickering:
John Hood 48 Miller
Rachel Hood 40
William Hood 11
George Hood 9
Jane Hood 5
Elizabeth Hood 1
The two John's would appear to be father and son:
10 Jun 1792, Middleton in Pickering– John Hood 25 & Eleanor Smith 25 by Licence
10 Mar 1793 John Hood s/o John of Costa Mill
07 Aug 1794 Elizabeth Hood d/o John & Eleanor of Costa Mill
The age on the census and at marriage put John Sr's birth at 1767, as does his burial in 1863, but I cannot find a baptism for him.
1798 Land Tax records for Middleton show a John Hood and also a William Hood.
I wonder if there is any significance in John & Rachel naming a son George?
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A Miller and Maltster playing with grain were much the same
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Claire found these familysearch resources not me. (dobfarm)
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/729257?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Quote from Mark on Resources board
Thanks dobfarm
Great find, thank you.
Should be at least one other reel of images before this lot, too, according to the leader.
I'd seen a 1788 Window Tax document (no Hoods in at all in 1788).
I see, by the late 1850s the Gowthorpe Tan Yard of John Hood (widow Mrs Hood carried this on for a while, after John Hood's death) must have been sold, because Mary Jackson is the owner.
The other Tan Yard occupied by son George Hood is now owned by Hutchinson.
Please take a note of the image number, if anyone should find any 1845 burial reference, to George Hood, coffin, or taken to the bier-house at ?? etc, or put on train / water transport to ??
Thanks Mark
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9F6-4JY6?i=720
page 721
1788 Window tax
Jn'o Hood Miller
Jane Poppleton inkeeper
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Hello All
Thank you very much for all this brilliant work and tireless effort.
Re: 1789 Selby Window Tax (images).
I saw the actual 1788 Selby Window Tax document in the flesh and I looked at this very carefully for 1788, as I was expecting to find a John Hood mentioned, but I did not.
I noted it as Jno Wood Miller (NOT STRUCK OUT by the way in 1788), as there was a fine line off the bottom of the right stick of what seemed to be a H (which you can also see on the image, I have had in MS Pic Manager restore and then darkened).
I now wonder if it was meant to say John Hood, but when any mistake creeps into these documents that are written up each year, the mistake tends to get accidentally copied.
What does the Selby Land Tax (on Anc.) say for Hood & J. Hood etc., for these years (as it usually gives the occupier, but no occupation)?
Wood should probably say HOOD
After looking at the Selby Parish Transcriptions, it is my belief it probably should say HOOD as the only John Woods (of any threat) recorded (transcribed by Yorks Arch. Soc.) are:-
29 Jul 1793 John WOOD died Selby, Sailer and a Stranger Drowned by accident aged 20 & buried in the Ch Yard.
29 Jan 1804 John WOOD baptised 2nd son of Thomas [of] Selby, Ironfounder Born 26th Jan
The following are listed as Millers:-
Henry Anderson d.1796 a Miller
John Anderson d.1798, a Miller
Joseph Anderson was a Miller when he married Mary Wilson 1799
John Clarkson and Wm Clarkson of Osgodby Hemingbrough Parish was a Miller
1779 Wm Beck was a Miller when Hannah his wife died
Richard Attey, Ottey / Otty had been Millers in the past
Wm Brown a miller
Wm Cockle was a miller 1780
Cocks was a Miller when child bapt 1796
Robert Conway of Snaith 1801
Wm Clarkson of Brayton a miller
John Coverdale a miller
Samuel Heap 1793 - 1799
Fairweather of Cliff, Hemingbrough had been a miller
James Pocklington a miller 1801
John & Richard Quartan 1812
Thomas Reed 1781
John Dean of Castleforth
James Smith 1785
Joseph Taylor 1784
Benjamin Butterfield of Hemingbrough
Is this John Hood, Miller (seemingly written as Wood) in 1788, but none to be found in the Selby Parish transcriptions, but perhaps Wood never had any event to record at Selby?
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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Thanks dobfarm :)
BEAT ME TO IT BushInn1746, here are my observations from records on Anc*
I've been looking at that image over and over and I'm not convinced it is Jo. HOOD, I think it looks like Jo. Wood
But there is something odd in the Tax records on Anc*
From 1781 - 1786 John Hood appears with Mrs Slipper in a house owned by Mr Turner
From 1781 - 1786 Jane Poppleton is in homes owned by T Coates and Widow Hawcroft .
No tax record for 1787.
1788 '89 and 1790 Jane Poppleton appears in the records in a home owned by JNO WOOD.
1788 '89 and 1790 NO records for J HOOD, he next appears in 1795 in the records in a home owned by Mr Spencer
Jno WOOD appears in years upto 1795 as owner and occupier
No Jane Poppleton after 1790
Confused ???
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Claire found these familysearch resources not me. (dobfarm)
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/729257?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Quote from Mark on Resources board
Thanks dobfarm
Great find, thank you.
Should be at least one other reel of images before this lot, too, according to the leader.
I'd seen a 1788 Window Tax document (no Hoods in at all in 1788).
I see, by the late 1850s the Gowthorpe Tan Yard of John Hood (widow Mrs Hood carried this on for a while, after John Hood's death) must have been sold, because Mary Jackson is the owner.
The other Tan Yard occupied by son George Hood is now owned by Hutchinson.
Please take a note of the image number, if anyone should find any 1845 burial reference, to George Hood, coffin, or taken to the bier-house at ?? etc, or put on train / water transport to ??
Thanks Mark
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9F6-4JY6?i=720
page 721
1788 Window tax
Jn'o Hood (WOOD ?) Miller
Jane Poppleton inkeeper
updated
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1788 '89 and 1790 NO records for J HOOD, he next appears in 1795 in the records in a home owned by Mr Spencer
1790 is transcribed as Jno Hoad in property owned by what looks like LT Jno Spencer. Bracketed with Jno Hood/Hoad is Robt Owen.
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Have noticed not many records 1795 to 1812 Selby in FS
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Have you seen the entry for Jno Wood in 1790 ?
Tell me the occupants are not 'L M' and what looks like 'J h' :-\
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Looks like that to me, followed by (I think) '2 tennants' :-\
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Two Tenements :)
Well I wonder who J H is ;D
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Hi
Thank you all for this searching and these replies, also thanks for finding the images too.
I wonder if John Hood & Jane Poppleton got together? Is there a burial? Sorry not read all replies yet (if asked already).
1788 Selby Window Tax (to save time I only noted Selby names recognised, or anything that could be Hood)
Jane Poppleton Innkeeper) 9 Windows
Jno Wood Miller )
Whoever Jno Wood, Miller is, he seems to be in the Inn with Jane (sharing her 9 windows)!
The Directory of 1800 (In Mountain's book I think) does not list all Selby residents.
Gibson Richard, Cooper, Wren-Lane. Cook Samuel, Cordwainer, Gowthorp., are listed.
However, there is no Hood, Wood, or Poppleton listed in 1800, but it is just main residents, probably acquaintances of George Mountain.
Regards Mark
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Parish Selby
12 Aug 1753 Jane POPPLETON bapt dau of Robt:
23 May 1755 Jane POPPLETON buried dau of Robt:
28 Aug 1756 John POPPLETON bapt son of Robt:
04 Oct 1774 Robert POPPLETON buried Innholder
12 Jun 1809 Deborah POPPLETON bapt 1st dau of William & Mary Selby Farmer
Descent, Wm son of Wm Poppleton of Brayton, Farmer by Barbara dau of Thos Pape. Mary dau of Geo Pape of Fenton, Farmer by Mary dau of Geo Mouncey of Stockbridge, Westmoreland. Born 10th June
25 Jan 1812 Herbert Pape POPPLETON bapt 1st son of William Innkeeper Born 23rd Jan
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1802 John Hood occupying a Messuage now used as 2 Dwelling Houses or Tenements at Selby.
Spencer to Hembrough
... both made between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part of and Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses ...
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Hi All
Found the Late Mrs Hood twice, in the Selby Window Tax of 1760 and have the corresponding pages in 1773 (and also earlier 1756 pages downloaded).
Also found the surnames Pearson and Herbert in them (James Hood's son - Bernard Pearson Hood; also Mr Herbert - used in our family late 19th / early 20th Cent., as middle/ extra forenames).
Regards Mark
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What I notice in these Window tax records is that people got named even if the didn't pay tax, taking George Hood was 28 at marriage 1815 in Selby, he should have been appearing somewhere at the age of 21 in 1808/9. Thus was George Hood aged 21 in 1812 ? = born 1791 that would put him age 50 as stated on the 1841 census
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If George Hood was living in a undivided building with others, only one would be made responsible pay it.
If and how they divided it amongst themselves in the building, was up to the occupants.
That is why these Window Tax records are unreliable, when you can't find someone.
Like C/Tax Bill or C/Tax Rebate today, there could be 20 living in one undivided house/building, but the Bill only usually goes to one named party in the household (unless they are on separate benefits or divorcing, then it might be split onto separate C/Tax Bills).
Mark
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Where was your line of granddad's born back to George Hood d 1845
ie Granddad
GT Granddad
GT x 2
GT x 3
etc to
to George Hood d1845
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Window tax -- They were use linking marks (})for other adults ie:- Jno Wood- Jane Poppleton assume same abode
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I have descended from John Hood, Tanner and Bone Crusher of Selby, who married Sarah Richardson at Sculcoates and died Selby 1860 and obviously his father Ol' secretive George Hood married Selby 1815.
I've resisted putting the last few generations on, due to a privacy request.
Where we think, we'll go with this next I think, is Leeds Special Collections (who don't have a Selby Baptism for George) and see if there are any Quakers in this gap, because Quakers and Jews were allowed to have their own separate registration.
Quakers were like Mariners, they moved about to set up new meetings, or strengthen existing meetings, which could account for James Hood's movements too.
Selby Hoods - Pre Gap, 18th Cent.
Also I see John Hayes and Christiana Hood (believed to be a Selby Hood - pre gap) and Samuel Hood (recorded in the Selby Register) both appear to have married with a Bond. Samuel Hood has the Allegation too.
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EDIT: Linking marks, possibly to show where one Messuage or Dwelling House, is divided into two or more Tenements. There were a few around Selby like this.
Regards Mark
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Was looking at George Hood bapt 1791 Leicestershire hence my question.
Thinking George Hood GT x 2 county residence from ?
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I have descended from John Hood, Tanner and Bone Crusher of Selby, who married Sarah Richardson at Sculcoates and died Selby 1860 and obviously his father Ol' secretive George Hood married Selby 1815.
I've resisted putting the last few generations on, due to a privacy request.
Where we think, we'll go with this next I think, is Leeds Special Collections (who don't have a Selby Baptism for George) and see if there are any Quakers in this gap, because Quakers and Jews were allowed to have their own separate registration.
Quakers were like Mariners, they moved about to set up new meetings, or strengthen existing meetings, which could account for James Hood's movements too.
Selby Hoods - Pre Gap, 18th Cent.
Also I see Christiana Hood (believed to be a Selby Hood - pre gap) and Samuel Hood (recorded in the Selby Register) both appear to have married with a Bond. Samuel Hood has an Allegation too.
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EDIT: Linking marks, possibly to show where one Messuage or Dwelling House, is divided into two or more Tenements. There were a few around Selby like this.
Regards Mark
http://www.yorkshireindexers.info/gallery/browseimages.php?c=98
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/special-collections-leeds-cemetery-collection
http://archiveshub.ac.uk/data/gb206-ms421
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Was looking at George Hood bapt 1791 Leicestershire hence my question.
Thinking George Hood GT x 2 county residence from ?
My 2 X Gt Grandfather (also called George Hood, born Selby to John Hood, Tanner) was a Commercial Traveller in the Leather Trade and had some link with "Henry Peters Tyler" but George Hood died.
I've only got the Inland Rev. (Tax) copy of his Geo Hood's Will mentioning Tyler, (but see info on Google and Peters Tyler / splitting of Tyler Bros in London Gazette) of Tyler Brothers, later the Tylers shoe chain, but George Hood went alone and set up an Office at Belvoir St Leicester, selling to the Leicester Shoe manufacturers, a big former shoe city.
Sadly much of the Leicester shoe making has all gone.
It saddens me greatly, that the youth here struggle to get a decent apprenticeship and all these great companies, are either gone, or turned over mostly to importing!
Regards Mark
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Thought you had checked out the Quaker records at Leeds uni library.
Tadcaster Quaker burial ground behind the Salvation army building comes under Selby authority
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George Hood may not have been born 'Hood', but was born illegitimately to 'Miss Blogs' who went on to marry a Hood.
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George Hood may not have been born 'Hood', but was born illegitimately to 'Miss Blogs' who went on to marry a Hood.
Thought has crossed dobfarm's and my mind.
Also, when there is no direct male Hood born (or dies young), sometimes a child, will take their mother's maiden surname (grandfather's surname) of Hood.
I had enquired with Leeds, but it was limited to a brief enquiry whether G.H. had a Quaker baptism - not found and a second enquiry re William Hood 1870 burial, which they have along with the Certificate releasing his body for burial.
Leeds have suggested, I ought to go and look at the Selby monthly and quarterly meetings and all the Selby births and burials.
Goughy looked at Catholics and the Methodists had little information.
Independent records for Selby don't survive before circa 1810/11 and another denomination, before late 1790s.
If this fails with Quakers, I'll pursue the Hood - Gibson suggestion, too.
Mark
Re Leeds General Cemetery:-
Rootschatter Calverley Lad has the Hoods listed at Leeds General Cemetery and the only George Hood burial in September 1845 is Staff Sgt George Hood (Army George), who died earlier in September (before my George Hood).
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and Claire's mind ;D
Don't ever underestimate Claire's talents - she's is very good at spotting overlooked or unknown stuff.
Also Jomot, Goughy and BumbleB as these are the best of the best of talented dedicated members along with other members who help ;)
I just dabble in comparison :-[.
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Quote dobfarm ~ " I just dabble in comparison "
You're as good as the people you've mentioned :)
You've provided so much knowledge and info to all of these 'Hood' threads, and kept them going ;D ... and going ;D
:)
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Quote dobfarm ~ " I just dabble in comparison "
You're as good as the people you've mentioned :)
You've provided so much knowledge and info to all of these 'Hood' threads, and kept them going ;D ... and going ;D
:)
;D ;D ;D ::) Mark doesn't miss much either
We'll on and forward ??? (Where :-\)
Ninja
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Carrying on from Bushinn1746 post,
Elizabeth Cook, wife of William Cook buried Christ Church, Tynemouth 9 Jul 1814 ages 33 years
Abode: North Shields.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioy/
claire
Hello All
Thank you very much for all your efforts.
I have to say I like Elizabeth Cook, because I get the feeling that the names of the children of James and Sarah Hood (nee Arundel) are probably derived from both the Hood and Arundel/Wilkinson sides of the family.
Which has not gone unnoticed before, by several of you.
e.g.
Elizabeth Cook Hood = Elizabeth Cook.
William Russell Hood = William Russell [Sarah Russell's father]
Goughy's reply #174 lists James and Sarah's children (see also #173) ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.174
I recall my Grandmother saying forenames were taken from the previous generation, but never explained beyond this. My Grandfather Hood was dead long before I was born, so not around to explain this in more detail.
both of that place
However, I've got my other foot on the side, that we were from the Selby area of old and the 1815 Wedding Notice says ... "both of that place."
Of course this could be referring to the wedding residence condition, which was quite short, but the family chose the wording, when they inserted the notice.
Adelina Hood, Born Selby 1855 - Related, but No Middle Name
Been checking possible marriages and one Marriage on Family Search, to a Ward, claims her father as Joseph Hood.
There seems to be two Adelina Hood / Adeline Hood marriages in the same quarter of 1872, the other one in the District of Dudley (possibly the one to Bates). I also notice an Adeline Hood birth in 1854 in the District of Dudley.
There are others, another possible marriage - District of Scarborough in 1885, but this has the other spelling in the GRO Index Adeline Hood.
Because Adelina Hood was not in my direct lineage, I never ordered her Birth Certificate. However, in view of the following, can an image of both her Baptism and the right image of her Marriage be found online please? ...
Selby 1871 Census RG 10/4735, Page 8
Wren Lane
Sarah Hood, Head, W, aged 77, Annuitant, born Yorkshire, Selby.
Adeline Hood, Grandaur, Unm, aged 16, Milliner, born Yorkshire, Selby.
The above Sarah Hood (nee Sarah Russell) in 1871 is the Widow of my elusive George Hood whom she married in 1815.
Thank you
Regards Mark
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29 December 1872 - Ettingshall
Richard Ward (x), 20, bachelor, Labourer of Bilston. Father: Joseph, Labourer
Adelina Hood (x), 18, spinster of Bilston. Joseph, Labourer
Witnesses: Mark (x) and Emily (x) Higginson
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Quick search - not found her baptism or marriage cert records. Following through on Census returns confident that she is the one who married Thomas Featherstone 1885 in Scarborough. 1861 Census she is living with her parents James and Sarah with grandmother Mary Wilkinson. In 1871 living with grandmother Sarah Hood. 1891 onwards with husband Thomas Featherstone. 1901 she has her brother William R Hood (born Sunderland - always been Selby? ) living with her.
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Now found her marriage certificate. Married 29 December 1885 Parish Church of Scarborough Father James Hood Tallow Chandler
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George Hood born 1786 father John Hood (Occupation unknown) Gateshead
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or to John Hood a mariner X Elizabeth Jackson marriage 1779 Newcastle (Tyne)
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Hello dobfarm
Where did this Marriage, John Hood, a Mariner to Elizabeth Jackson, come from?
I was not going to start a new thread, as I did not know if this Elizabeth Jackson was an error for Gibson?
Because I have this noted ...
1861 Selby Census
Sarah Hood, Widow, aged 41, Tanner, Born Selby. [John Hood's widow, nee Richardson]
Mary Jackson, Widow, aged 75, Born Grantham, Lincs.
Mary Jackson, Dau'r Born Ackworth, Yorks.
Was there a John Hood = Elizabeth Jackson, marriage?
Regards Mark
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I can't see a marriage of an Elizabeth Jackson to a John Hood.
It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.
Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.
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From my jotted notes (not detailed) Rosamund married Thomas Abbott of Loders, Dorsetshire & ended up in Guernsey. Thomas was a master mariner & Rosamund became a Boarding House Keeper.
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I can't see a marriage of an Elizabeth Jackson to a John Hood.
It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.
Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.
Hi
Thank you.
Found other Cook references here ...
Reply #24 ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=176379.24
From 1st post ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=22157.0
I had PM'd MarieC to see if she had any Parish Registers re Wm Cook to Elizabeth Hood, but she had not got the Parish Register.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
My Grandmother Hood use to bang on about Thomas Cook the Travel Agent, but of course as a circa 5 year old I didn't take much notice and she could of been talking about a holiday!
Found Cook burial & baptisms here ...
Hello All
Children so far all Tynemouth, of the Elizabeth Hood = William Cook Marriage 24 Jan 1804 Tynemouth by Banns [Im 456, spinster not stated] :-
Burial 1804 (Birth/Bapt not listed Tynemouth)
Mary Cook of No Shields, Dau'r of Wm Cook, Trade Mar'r, Died Oct'r 21, Buried Oct 23, Age 2 W's. [Im 471]
Birth/Baptisms
1805 Eleanor Cook, 4 Sep / 25 Dec, 2 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar'r. N.[Native] of Suffolk by his W. Eliz'th Hood, N. Allsts P.[Parish] [Im 488]
1807 Rosamond Cook, 3 May / 27 May, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mar'r, N. of Lowstoff [sic] by his Wife Eliz.th Hood N. of Gateshead P. Allsaints. [Im 554]
1809/1810 Wm Cook, 18 Dec'r 1809 / 10 Jan, 1 Son of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mariner, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz'th Hood Nat. of Allsaints P. [Im 665]
1811 Eliz'th Cook, 14 Nov:r / 11 Dec, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar.r, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz:th Hood N. of Allsaints P. [Im 714]
Sadly no parentage for Elizabeth Hood, only that she was a Native of All Saints Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne.
I have not checked past 1811, but shall have to enquire if their Marriage entry in the Parish Register has detail about parentage of Elizabeth Hood.
Thank you, Mark
Carrying on from Bushinn1746 post,
Elizabeth Cook, wife of William Cook buried Christ Church, Tynemouth 9 Jul 1814 ages 33 years
Abode: North Shields.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioy/
claire
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When buried Elizabeth Cook was 33 years of age...
Ties in nicely with the baptism at Newcastle All Saints on 15 April 1781 Elizabeth HOOD daughter of John Hood, mariner.
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or to John Hood a mariner X Elizabeth Jackson marriage 1779 Newcastle (Tyne)
Where did this Marriage, John Hood, a Mariner to Elizabeth Jackson, come from?
Was there a John Hood = Elizabeth Jackson, marriage?
Regards Mark
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I think Dobby means John Hood and Eliz GIBSON married 15 Dec 1779 Newcastle All Saints. There was also a John Hood marriage same year at All Saints to a Mary Starling
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Hello All
Thanks Claire, Jomot and Goughy for recent posts.
Edited my last post re Cook baptisms, with some links to the other Eleanor Cook and William Cook to Elizabeth Hood references.
Baptism 1st July 1792, Tynemouth (Online B.T., Image 160)
John S of John Hood No Sh Mari'r
Thanks Mark
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I thought we'd ruled out the 1801 William Robertson / Eleanor Hood marriage?
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
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I thought we'd ruled out the 1801 William Robertson / Eleanor Hood marriage?
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
Hello Jomot
Thanks.
Oh dear, sorry, just found a note ...
Eleanor Hood married William Robertson 3 Aug 1801, All Saints.
Eleanor Hood - Father Robert Hood.
Image deleted.
Regards Mark
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You mean you don't remember everything off the top of your head? Tut! ;)
Also the 1792 John s/o John is transcribed on FS as s/o John & Mary, taken from the PR rather than the BT's: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J789-TSH
There was also a Robert Hood s/o John & Mary in 1797
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You mean you don't remember everything off the top of your head? Tut! ;)
Also the 1792 John s/o John is transcribed on FS as s/o John & Mary, taken from the PR rather than the BT's: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J789-TSH
There was also a Robert Hood s/o John & Mary in 1797
Probably, the ladies in white coats could re-program my brain (switch off & switch on again)?
Regards Mark
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Hello All
If anyone gets forward to 1841 with any of these and you find a William Hood in the household in the 1841 Census, possibly with 'visitor' written in ...
It could be William Hood (Son of George and Sarah Hood) baptised Selby 17 May 1816 and currently missing at Selby in the 1841 Census.
Job to know, whether his age will be rounded down or not.
1841 'Missing' Census (searched under HO 107) ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=missing&_cr1=HO%20107&_dss=range&_ro=any
Regards Mark
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Children so far all Tynemouth, of the Elizabeth Hood = William Cook Marriage 24 Jan 1804 Tynemouth by Banns [Im 456, spinster not stated] :-
Burial 1804 (Birth/Bapt not listed Tynemouth)
Mary Cook of No Shields, Dau'r of Wm Cook, Trade Mar'r, Died Oct'r 21, Buried Oct 23, Age 2 W's. [Im 471]
Birth/Baptisms
1805 Eleanor Cook, 4 Sep / 25 Dec, 2 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar'r. N.[Native] of Suffolk by his W. Eliz'th Hood, N. Allsts P.[Parish] [Im 488]
1807 Rosamond Cook, 3 May / 27 May, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mar'r, N. of Lowstoff [sic] by his Wife Eliz.th Hood N. of Gateshead P. Allsaints. [Im 554]
1809/1810 Wm Cook, 18 Dec'r 1809 / 10 Jan, 1 Son of Wm Cook of No. Shields, Mariner, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz'th Hood Nat. of Allsaints P. [Im 665]
1811 Eliz'th Cook, 14 Nov:r / 11 Dec, 3 D'r of Wm Cook of No. Sh. Mar.r, N. of Lowstoff by his W. Eliz:th Hood N. of Allsaints P. [Im 714]
Carrying on from Bushinn1746 post,
Elizabeth Cook, wife of William Cook buried Christ Church, Tynemouth 9 Jul 1814 ages 33 years
Abode: North Shields.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ioy/
claire
So If Elizabeth Cook [Hood] died when the children were aged roughly 3-9, and William was a mariner, then who raised them?
The 1814 marriage William Cook to Eliza Dodds at Tynemouth 1814 states him to be a bachelor (p95), so we can probably rule that one out. The marriage at All Saints 15 Nov 1815 to Mary Singlewood doesn't say either way (p56) but oddly there is a baptism 10 Jun 1833 of James Cook s/o William Cook & Mary Underwood. From the Familysearch Catalog Number it seems to be at the Catholic Church of St Andrew, Newcastle.
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Hello All
Thank you for replies
Got another document relating to my Hoods at Selby.
There is a side-ways Jake Hood relative we've never heard of before (no dob, no age or death date, but an uncommon forename, per Free BMD search from 1837) and who might just go back far enough, to break into my Ancestor's secret world and unravel my family mystery.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758603.0
Thank you, Mark
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Have you done any research on Martha Kirlew age 78 (born 1793) on 1871 c visitor with Sarah Hood nee Richardson both ladies widows
Martha's got a year or two of history on her by 1871
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZL5-C5N
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Looking like ? for this George to eliminate/ or have
John Hood son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1745
John Hood (based on above - age 22) X Mary Maxwell marriage 1767 Newcastle (average marriage age them days 21 to 24)
George Hood son John bapt 1786 Gatehead
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3Amary~%20%2Bspouse_surname%3Amaxwell~
John aged 41 by 1786 a good age to be a publican
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This could be Martha's marriage in Hemingborough 11th October 1820 after Banns
John KIRLEW a brick maker and widower married Martha BLENKHORN
Both signed ( she as Blenkin)
Witnesses: John Blenkhorn, William Blenkhoun and Mary Pacey.
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Dobfarm - the northern newspapers mention a George Hood a few times. Is he the same chap from Morpeth who married a Jane Searchivell 1814, he is in 1841 census in Morpeth, and was 'of Morpeth' in wedding transcription.
He was born around the same time as the infamous George Hood we are searching for - has anyone come across a baptism for him in Morpeth ?
Jomot found the marriage of one of the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood - Rosamund in Morpeth. I'd hate to think that the Hoods (John - mariner and Elizabeth nee Gibson) relocated to Morpeth with a George Hood bn 1786 in Gateshead. :-\
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This could be Martha's marriage in Hemingborough 11th October 1820 after Banns
John KIRKLEW a brick maker and widower married Martha BLENKHORN
Both signed ( she as Blenkin)
Witnesses: John Blenkhorn, William Blenkhoun and Mary Pacey.
Hi Claire
Was Martha Blenkhorn a spinster or widow
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Sorry dobfarm, Martha was a spinster, I have also edited my post - I didn't realise I had written KirKlew... her surname was Kirlew.
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Dobfarm - the northern newspapers mention a George Hood a few times. Is he the same chap from Morpeth who married a Jane Searchivell 1814, he is in 1841 census in Morpeth, and was 'of Morpeth' in wedding transcription.
He was born around the same time as the infamous George Hood we are searching for - has anyone come across a baptism for him in Morpeth ?
Jomot found the marriage of one of the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood - Rosamund in Morpeth. I'd hate to think that the Hoods (John - mariner and Elizabeth nee Gibson) relocated to Morpeth with a George Hood bn 1786 in Gateshead. :-\
George Hood of Morpeth a different George Hood.
Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury, 15 April 1848 ...
At Morpeth on the 8th inst., aged 68, much respected, Mr George Hood.
His house was called Percy Court, he had an Inn called The Lord Hood and Percy Cottage, Morpeth.
His Apprenticeship listing in IR 1 (TNA, Kew) was with a Butcher, but later, he was a Grocer and Publican.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uqM3AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA454&lpg=PA454&dq=Lord+Hood+of+Morpeth&source=bl&ots=GAUCT3tbW4&sig=3EQbf7jlf17vU1_fzVyP1HpzHWI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4wJrjh4zQAhXmJMAKHWZ4BccQ6AEIJjAF
Regards Mark
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Thanks for the clarification Mark.
claire
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Hi
Lord Hood and Toulon
Interesting that George Hood of Morpeth had an Inn called the Lord Hood.
Lord Hood was mentioned in Parliamentary Debates with reference to Toulon ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jzlEAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA529&lpg=PA529&dq=Lord+Hood+of+Morpeth&source=bl&ots=NJxUJDO87u&sig=XQQ6lvKncbL2vJjDqKLx9ZnYlag&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi89d7piIzQAhWSF8AKHT5QA7oQ6AEIMDAI
1795 Admiralty Will of Joshua Hood
The Admiralty Will of Joshua Hood, which gave his Brother as John Hood of North Shields was on the Ship Commerce de Marseilles (reference also to "Boyne", on outer), brought back from Toulon, by Lord Hood 1793 ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.51
Extracts here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.42
Re the reference at the top to ... in the Pearl (l.h) and a date (r.h), the Parliamentary Archives have a reference to a HOOD near that date and looked at their record, but do not think it can be anything related, but I am welcome to go and view it.
http://www.portcullis.parliament.uk/CalmView/Advanced.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
HL/PO/JO/10/7/987 Main Papers
1795
10 Feb - Frushard v Hood, writ of error. Annexed:
1) Petition of defendant for a non-pross plaintiff not having assignment any error.
2) Remittitur.
More George Hood Enquiries
When the theory was put forward that my George Hood may possibly be baptised at Gateshead 1 October 1786, I wondered whether their might be a link in the past (to the Geo Hood of Morpeth, line). In the meantime I'm waiting for any answers from T & W Archives (separate R.O. to Northumberland and Cleveland).
I had my free answers to my emails from T & W., e.g. Parish Register for Gateshead gives no more information and they have begun referring me to their Paid Research Service to answer simple look-up questions.
£30 is outrageous when I have an exact date of death, when you can buy a GRO Certificate scan for £9.25 posted, a Will scan for £10, but was forced into it and waiting for answers on three questions, placed on a 1 hr block of research time ...
Is G.H. buried at Westgate Hill General Cemetery in September 1845 (Alpha. Index and Burial Index);
Is the same G.H. buried at Ballast Hills Dissenters Cemetery;
A check of their Apprentice Index [as they are supposed to have every Apprentice Indexed].
Obviously, I sent a brief background of G.H. too and his business types.
Requested to provide full details.
I'll let you know what comes back, but after the very recent Will fiasco, which should be a faithful typed copy of the original handwritten Will, I'm not that hopeful.
A Business of a Bankrupt
My father said that a person who turns a Bankrupt business around to success, is usually, not less than a Chartered Accountant qualification, as we know one who did that type of work.
Unfortunately Registered Accountant lists have only been saved from about the 1870 period and their Institute have told me, their records don't go back far enough.
Regards Mark
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or to John Hood a mariner X Elizabeth Jackson marriage 1779 Newcastle (Tyne)
Where did this Marriage, John Hood, a Mariner to Elizabeth Jackson, come from?
Was there a John Hood = Elizabeth Jackson, marriage?
Regards Mark
Sorry :-[ Should have been Elizabeth Gibson not Jackson
Caffeine hadn't kicked in from morning coffee that early.
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Is G.H. buried at Westgate Hill General Cemetery in September 1845 (Alpha. Index and Burial Index);
Is the same G.H. buried at Ballast Hills Dissenters Cemetery;
A check of their Apprentice Index [as they are supposed to have every Apprentice Indexed].
Obviously, I sent a brief background of G.H. too and his business types.
Requested to provide full details.
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Regards Mark
Hello All
Replies from T & W ...
1. Index 1829 to 1846 and Burial Register of Westgate Hill General Cemetery, Newcastle for an entry relating to George Hood who died at Selby 18 September 1845:
No information relating to George Hood was found.
The only ‘Hood’ listed was Mary Hood (reference 3248).
The alphabetical index in this volume for the letter ‘H’ was also written in the ‘Q’ and the ‘E’ sections. Unfortunately the ‘E’ page was missing from the volume so I checked the actual burial entries from 18 September 1845 to the end of November 1845 with no success.
2. Burial Register of Ballast Hills (Dissenters) Cemetery, Newcastle for an entry relating to George Hood who died at Selby 18 September 1845:
CE.BA/33/10 Burial Register 17 February 1838 to 7 November 1847
There was no index to this register so I checked the burial entries from 18 September 1845 to the end of November 1845 with no success.
3. Index of Apprentices for George Hood. Possibly listed as a Cooper or allied trade (like brewing / maltster, or leather related), or a Clerk.
Guild Apprenticeship Indentures
No information relating to George Hood was found.
Comment
Two ‘Hood’ were present in the card index for the Guild Apprenticeship Indentures:
Hood, John Lionel s.o. Hood Anthony, Hostman (reference: 298/52/156)
Hood, William s.o. Hood, William (reference 298/35/141)
Well that has ruled them out.
I just cannot do much more, for the time being.
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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You said your dad or granny Hood said the Hood's origins were Scottish ?
Was this a general view of the surname Hood's origins as a surname origin general one or actual past down the family line knowledge by word of mouth by many generations
If as already shown no one has any idea of where George Hood d 1845 came from ? how would your family know the Hood roots- unless they have records in your branch Hood's (like any chance some of your Gt Uncles or Gt Aunties Hood 2nd cousin descendants hold such records )
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That's a good point dobfarm.
That remark must have come from somewhere back in the day. It actually makes some sense - we don't seem to be making much progress with English records.
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Considering I use to sit on my actual granddads knee at 7 years old and he was born 1867 married 1901 died 1957 aged 90 years and my elder brother was 13 when he died and my big bro is alive on a sea cruise at the moment.
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Thus from Sarah ( Russel) Hood died 1879 (She should have known all about George) it may not be that many generations back to pass down info.
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In my case was first hand knowledge gained of my FH info passed down direct of the times in history 12 years before above Sarah died 1879
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We should always listen to our elders, I've learnt so much from mine about my family history.
Back to George -
I actually think finding the burials of the family may be the key to solving this.
They have to be somewhere ???
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZL5-28C
Adeline Hood's age 16 1871c descendants may hold a key
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Well I think it's worth a shot :)
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;D ;D ;D
Back to business: Regarding 1891 census of Charles Hood and his visitor Emma Hirst. I noticed that several of Charles Hoods children were born in Castleford., four or so miles from Ledsham. In the 1861 census there is an EMMA HIRST in Castleford with family that I'm looking into, birth a few years out, but worth checking do you think ?
42 Bridge Street, Castleford.
Thomas Skinner hd mar butcher bn Nettleton, Lincs
Sarah wf " Castleford Yorks
EMMA HIRST sister in law 22, post office clerk bn Castleton Yorks
John Henry Skinner, son 1 " " "
Class: RG 9; Piece: 3438; Folio: 113; Page: 26
Hi Claire and All
Found (part 1881) Census for Emma Hirst, born Ledsham, a Visitor in 1891 with Charles Hood, born Selby.
Free BMD (details below).
Any other links to Hood, or Hood witnesses, or Hood in Census households of Emma Tindall, please?
Residence 30 Beancroft St., Castleford
Joseph G Hirst, born Hailsham 1855
Emma Hirst, born Ledsham 1854
Amy Hirst, born Castleford 1878
Oliver Hirst, born Castleford 1881
Possible Marriage Jan - Mar Quarter 1877, Tadcaster District
Joseph Goulton Hirst
Emma Tindall
Thanks, Mark
CHARLES HOOD of SELBY
Reply #50 - 53
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.45
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Hi Mark
James Goulton Hirst and Emma Tindall Marriage Certificate has no Hood witnesses. Emma's parents were George and Jane (nee Horsfield) - no Hood witnesses
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Thanks Goughy.
Regards Mark
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Looking at the Selby Land Tax of 1809, it seems George Hood might not have taken over directly from Richard Gibson.
Looking at a Phillip or Philip Holmes as a possible in 1809 (before Rich'd Gibson got his Bankruptcy, Certificate of Conformity in 1810).
Phillip Holmes of Selby was a Victualler & Inn Keeper of the Granby, Selby in 1800 (also seems to be called Granby Head at Selby).
Apparently his wife Sarah Holmes was buried at Selby 3 August 1810.
When and where was Phillip Holmes buried please?
Thanks Mark
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There is a burial of a Philip Holmes at Selby Abbey 3 April 1814 aged 63
Abode : Holme in Spalding Moor
There is also a probate record for this man too.
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There is a burial of a Philip Holmes at Selby Abbey 3 April 1814 aged 63
Abode : Holme in Spalding Moor
There is also a probate record for this man too.
Thanks Claire
Any Will online anywhere, please?
Regards Mark
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There is a marriage by Licence in 1771 in Maltby (the only one showing on F M P )
Philip Holmes of Thorne and Sarah HEPWORTH 26 Feb. 1771
Both signed
Witnesses: William Wasteney and John Jeweson
EDIT: Two baptisms for a Phillip Holmes. First one in Huddersfield 1748 son of Isaac - can marry this guy off, baptisms of his children and have his burial.
The second guy - baptism in Wath upon Dearne 13 September 1768 aged 17 years (bn1751) ~ no parents listed.
Can find one possible baptism of a daughter Mary in THORNE 1772, father Philip a flax dresser. Then nothing in Yorkshire: possible baptism of daughter Elizabeth in Lincolnshire.
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Hello All
Thanks Claire.
The Holmes link to Marshall been mentioned before, with refs to Hood of Knottingley ...
On Part 2, page 8 of the George Hood Burial ... thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742805.63
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Also Philip Holmes mentioned regarding a dwelling house at Selby "To be Sold or Lett" (sic) advert (Leeds Int. 24 February 1800)
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Nottinghamshire
Phillip Holmes had property and might also have family in Nottinghamshire?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/275a4c03-1b7b-4788-af99-132122cd5b12
Deeds: 6 & 7 April 1792
Copy: 22 Dec. 1795
1) Phillip Holmes of Selby Yorks., victualler & wife Sarah.
2) John Dixon of Clarbrough farmer.
3) John Bingham of Clarbrough farmer, trustee.
For £570 (1) to (2) & (3) 1 messuage & orchard etc., Barcroft close (4a.), Shoulder of Mutton close (1a.) & Meadows close (1a.) in occ. John Dixon; & cottage & orchard etc. in occ. Wm. Allen. Boundaries given. Covenant to levy a fine. Paper
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Hull History Centre Calalogue Only
Papers of the Forbes Adam / Thompson / Lawley (Barons Wenlock) Family of Escrick
/18/145 dated 11-12 February 1795 Assignment of Mortgage as U DDFA/18/139
(i) Smithson Tenant of the Temple, London esq. (only child of Mary Tennant as U DDFA/18/139). (ii) John Stagg now of Ackwith House. (iii) John Tate (as U DDFA/18/139) to. (iv) Philip Holmes of Selby innkeeper and (v) John Watson of Selby tanner.
Underneath, in the Hull H.C. catalogue descriptions is a:- Copy of Phillip Holmes Will and some other document descriptions including Procter of Selby, Tate of Selby, Thompsons and a Cowling.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=tablet-android-samsung&hl=en-GB&q=%22Philip+Holmes+of+selby%22&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr0uWi7_PSAhVoC8AKHcMMAcEQBQgWKAA&biw=962&bih=601#spf=1
Comments
Strange a Cowling came up recently for me on family search but never noted it, so retracking and the Thompson name is now haunting me, regularly in numerous searches!
Do you recall the Samuel Hood Barber and Surgeon from Selby burial at Thorganby 1st July 1737, well, some Tate Hood burials came up there too?
Interesting that the Philip Holmes link to Marshall has come up before. The Probate Index, says Holmes Philip of Selby but at Holme Spalding moor? (Also see below).
John and Sarah Hood of Selby, Tanner
The daughter Clara Richardson Hood, of my 3 X Gt. Grandparents married a Marshall (Clara Richardson Marshall). Sarah Hood's Grandson in 1881 was given as Harold Hudson Marshall.
James Marshall Son-in-Law of deceased was present at the death of my 3 X G. G'mother Sarah Hood (nee Richardson) when she died at Holme on Spalding Moor 30 June 1886 at Holme, aged 66, widow of Independent Means.
Regards Mark
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Quite a bit on this Philip Holmes chap
Found ...
1792 Fine - Easter 32 Geo III
John Dixon, Plaintiff and Phillip and Sarah Holmes, Defendants.
Property and Pasture in Clarborough [near Retford, Notts].
Fine £100 Sterling.
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Seems Philip Holmes of Selby, has a large family.
https://archive.fo/TFIHe
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From the location found ...
COPY WILL 20th December 1795
WILL of MARY HOLMES of Moorgate, Clarbrough, Spinster - 1788, Codicils 1788 and 1789
Farm & lands in occ. Rich. Spittlehouse & ash holt in occ. M.H. in Clarbrough to Sarah wife of John Haigh of Doncaster Yorkshire, butcher, charged with payment of £200 to Thos. Holmes of Doncaster, innholder in trust for his children when 21.
All freehold & copyhold at Barnby upon Dunn Yorkshire to Thos. Holmes.
To Aunt Milcah Holmes, £5 p.a. for life; charged on 2 cottages in occ. John Dixon & Jas. Pettinger in Clarbrough left to her son Philip Holmes of Selby Yorks.
... etc., etc.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/00d6993a-7f2f-4c40-a625-261dcec40920
The Holmes family had links to various places, incl. Yorkshire.
Regards Mark
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This area around Doncaster
Whole page and reply#77
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758603.msg6155463#msg6155463
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Dobfarm ~ is it just me or is that link not working ?
???
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Claire,
retry the link- reposted it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758603.msg6155463#msg6155463
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I'd forgotten about those posts ~ that's interesting reading dobfarm.
Cockins, Pearsons ~ can this all be a coincidence ?
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I'd forgotten about those posts ~ that's interesting reading dobfarm.
Cockins, Pearsons ~ can this all be a coincidence ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758603.msg6155463#msg6155463
Just remembered - Barnby-Upon-Don but can't remember the content much.
I'm wondering if these Holmes families were Quakers, as they seems to be spread about a bit around Doncaster which seems to be a pattern with Quakers in general (With distant abodes in England of couples in Quaker marriages and Wills) and the Casson Quakers ( Scarborough , Doncaster, Thorn, Selby and Derby areas)
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There is a marriage by Licence in 1771 in Maltby (the only one showing on F M P )
Philip Holmes of Thorne and Sarah HEPWORTH 26 Feb. 1771
Both signed
Witnesses: William Wasteney and John Jeweson
EDIT: Two baptisms for a Phillip Holmes. First one in Huddersfield 1748 son of Isaac - can marry this guy off, baptisms of his children and have his burial.
The second guy - baptism in Wath upon Dearne 13 September 1768 aged 17 years (bn1751) ~ no parents listed.
Can find one possible baptism of a daughter Mary in THORNE 1772, father Philip a flax dresser. Then nothing in Yorkshire: possible baptism of daughter Elizabeth in Lincolnshire.
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And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.
I think it says John Hopworth or Hepworth
Hello All
Yes, John Hepworth, so Hepworth with possible links to William Cockin and/or Ann Robinson.
Internet search ... "Henry Mitton" Snaith Hepworth
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Henry+Mitton%22+Snaith+Hepworth&start=0
gives documents mentioning Hepworth, with Snaith and Henry Mitton.
Seems the book by Boaz is attempting to link a William Hepworth to Henry Mitton, Maltster, Gentleman of Snaith.
George Hood and Henry Mitton, Maltster of Snaith
One of the Wren Lane, Selby Deed Registrations of 1833 for a property of John Clarkson of Newport in the Parish of Eastrington to George Hood of Selby Brewer (neighbouring a property of the Hon. Edward Robert Petre already in George Hood's occupation), indicates John Clarkson George Hood and Henry Mitton of Snaith County of York have signed the Release, regarding the transfer to George Hood.
George Hood diversified into Brewing between 1824 & 1826 (per occupation in children's baptisms) and may have been in business with Henry Mitton, before he purchased John Clarkson's property, occupied by Henry Mitton's Malt-kiln in Wren Lane.
Whether Cockin - Hepworth - Mitton - Hood, are partly or wholly linked or related to each other, or partly business ties, remains to be discovered?
Regards Mark
EDIT
Forgot I had posted this for someone else ...
Leeds Intelligencer - 31st January 1803
"A few days ago died, aged 76, Mrs Hepworth, mother of Mr Cockin, dissenting minister, in Halifax."
14 Pages with Cockin refs here ...
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft#page/n1/mode/2up
Lane Independent Chapel, Holmfirth ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520384.36
Thanks for all the comments.
Telephoned re Philip Holmes Will and told I would have to email & wait for an estimate first (email sent).
Hoping Holmes Will, will at least mention running Richard Gibson's former business, or George Hood himself.
Also got Cooke as a Witness to the attached wedding.
Think I can see a crack forming in George Hood's Berlin Wall hiding his secret past!
Claire's info attached re Hannah Newby. William Mitton of Stamford, Lincolnshire linked to Hannah Newby's Will?
A George Hood property registration mentions Henry Mitton of Snaith Gent, now of Stamford.
George Hood probably an Independent, Church probably wouldn't bury him and he didn't have the Quaker Burial by Quaker Birthright, due to him being a non-member at burial.
Regards Mark
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There are a few records of 'Holmes' in Clarborough, not sure who Mary Holmes parents are, thought this couple were married a bit early but here they are
Philip HOLMES married Sarah FISHER 16 Nov 1701 Clarborough
MARYs AUNT from transcript of Will:
Thomas HOLMES married MILIAH KELHAM 16 Apr 1739 Clarborough
Miscellaneous marriage
Elizabeth HOLMES married John KILLINGAR married 20 Feb 1722, either at Edlington PC or Dinnington PC or Clarborough PC, Nottinghamshire or Wheatley PC. Groom was from Rotherham.
WILLS: In the Prerogative & Exchequer Courts Of York Probate Index besides Mary's and Philips Will there were two others
John HOLMES of Clarborough Will dated MARCH 1741
John HOLMES of Clarborough Admon dated MAY 1842
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LATER MARRIAGES incase they could be relevant
Charles HOLMES mar. Sarah JACKSON 25 Dec 1847 Clarborough
Elizabeth HOLMES mar. Edward MARKEY 21 May 1833 "
Gervas KING HOLMES mar. Ann MOWER 09 Jun 1823
Harriet HOLMES mar. Thomas SMITH 01 Aug 1833
John HOLMES of Clarborough and Mary E BRIGHAM of Beverley both 21, mar. 05 Feb 1839 at Beverley by licence
Mary HOLMES mar. William OLIVER 04 Jun 1806 Clarborough
Mary HOLMES mar. John LUMBY 06 Nov 1826
Susannah HOLMES mar. Robert NEWBOULT 01 May 1798
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Hi All
Thanks Claire.
Marriage 5th May 1790 - At Doncaster, Christopher Marshall of Selby to Miss Elizabeth Holmes Daughter of Philip Holmes of Selby.
Need to get this Hannah Newby Will as well, is it available anywhere please?
If not I'll have Probate year & details please and add it to the estimate/order tomorrow.
Regards Mark
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Hannah Hepworth buried 21 January 1803 Halifax Square Chapel, Independant, "late of Huddersfield"
Hannah Cockin married Joseph Hepworth after Banns at Huddersfield 17 March 1782.
Both left their mark.
Witnesses: Edward Townsend and James Booth.
No mention of either being bachelor, spinster etc. just both OTP.
Claire
Philip Holmes of Thorne and Sarah HEPWORTH 26 Feb. 1771
Got an extensive collection of Cockin Parish Register entries (1700s), but can't find the above.
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark
Hannah Nuby/Newby Will : 1839 JUNE of SNAITH surname spelt NUBY ~ unfortunately Will held by the Borthwick
EDIT: Was there a Michael MITTON Solicitor in the Mitton family ? Found a marriage of his son JOHN MITTON to a Miss Maria Stead Thompson ~ a witness was a G. HOLMES, in Sculcoates 1839
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Hi Mark
Hannah Nuby/Newby Will : 1839 JUNE of SNAITH surname spelt NUBY ~ unfortunately Will held by the Borthwick
EDIT: Was there a Michael MITTON Solicitor in the Mitton family ? Found a marriage of his son JOHN MITTON to a Miss Maria Stead Thompson ~ a witness was a G. HOLMES, in Sculcoates 1839
Thanks Claire
Two more family names on the Christopher Marshall + Elizabeth Holmes 1790 Wedding entry too.
Don't know, but see Holmes. The Thompson naming cropping up yet again!
Regards Mark
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Interesting Samuel Marshall marriage in Selby 1789 ~ married a Miss CLARK
EDIT: A Joseph RICHARDSON of Selby married Elizabeth MARSHALL 1798 by licence at Church Fenton ~ witnesses: James Cooper and Ann Coupland
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Interesting Samuel Marshall marriage in Selby 1789 ~ married a Miss CLARK
Thanks Claire
Quote from 12 December 15
There is no Hood listed in the "Mountain: Selby Directory for 1800 - Principal Inhabitants" (although it could be just not a subscriber!) Just for reference purposes here is the list of Common Brewers, Tanners and Coopers listed in 1800
John Coleman - Common Brewer - Church Hill
Joshua Crabtree - Tanner - Gowthorpe
William Dobson - Tanner - Micklegate
Richard Gibson - Cooper - Wren Lane
Christopher Marshall - Tanner - Gowthorpe
Goughy
END of quote.
Christopher Marshall and John Clark were Tanners.
John Coleman is spelt John Coulman, Brewer, in the newspapers.
More waiting time for Philip Holmes Will!!
Regards Mark
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Thomas MARSHALL of HUDDERSFIELD married Elizabeth PROCTOR of SELBY ~ Quaker Wedding in 1830
WitnesseS : Thomas CAMM, Wm Massey, Wm Alexander
Dobfarm wondered if there was a Quaker connection :)
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Thomas MARSHALL of SELBY married Elizabeth PROCTOR ~ Quaker Wedding in 1830
Thanks, good work!
Definitely happy families, going on here, they are all linked by marriage! Thomas Procter / William Procter of Selby, although it says Merchants for the Procters, Procter was a Flax dresser and I note in one reply Philip Holmes was a Flax dresser, too.
This is beginning to explain how George knew everybody and his wheeling and dealing with property etc.
George Hood, still keeping his head, behind the parapet!
Hopefully some more Wills, will flush him out!
Signing off.
Regards Mark
Procters of Selby and a Camm are definitely known to be Quakers!
William Massey 1843 (is the next slip to George Hood's Quaker Burial Note 1a) mentioned in a George Hood property transfer.
I'd discovered George Hood was renting his Brewery in Gowthorpe from William Procter in the 1839 Selby Rate Book.
see Reply #72
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.72
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In the burial registration of George that you sent ~ William Massey's registration was on the previous page ~ you can just see his name :) SORRY just seen your post Doh!!
Just been reading the Will of Richard Mitton whose daughter married Mr Pearson ~ A Mr Thompson witnessed his Will.
Another name that keeps popping up in the searches as witnesses etc. is POPPLEWELL
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In the burial registration of George that you sent ~ William Massey's registration was on the previous page ~ you can just see his name :) SORRY just seen your post Doh!!
Just been reading the Will of Richard Mitton whose daughter married Mr Pearson ~ A Mr Thompson witnessed his Will.
Another name that keeps popping up in the searches as witnesses etc. is POPPLEWELL
SNAP: I did see it when the burials first arrived and just checked again and saw 1843, I always look at any overlapping images.
I saw Popplewell in the last few days too, somewhere! But cogs grinding to a halt.
Somebody will be poaching you and others as BBC or C4 Researchers.
Regards Mark
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742805.msg5853222#msg5853222
reply#143
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Hi Dobfarm :) :)
These people certainly like to give us the runaround ~ we seem to be heading off into the same counties over and over again.
This Will of Richard Mitton mentions his friends Richard Popplewell Gent. and William Popplewell of Darlaston Wine Merchant ~ another boozy acquaintance :)
There is a marriage of a RICHARD POPPLEWELL (aged 30) in Malton 20 November 1799 by licence to a ANN ARUNDELL (aged 18). Witnessed by a Mark Arundell, Wm Rutter and John Douthwaite (church official)
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Crikey there are Popplewells everywhere :o
Another Richard Popplewell of Selby Tinner ( father Richard P a mariner ) married a Sarah Norfolk
NOT related to the above marriage ~ this Richards mother was an Ann Moxon.
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Thanks, but before we run too far and start confusing me with Popplewells.
IR 26/424/369 [Inland Revenue Abstracts]
Abstract of Will of Christopher Marshall, Tanner of Selby, Yorkshire. Proved in the Court of York. 9th December 1800
Re Popplewell ...
Admon and Will annexed was granted to Philip Holmes of Selby, Innkeeper and John Richardson, Butcher, Testamentary Tutors of Wm Holmes Marshall a minor son & sole Exor during minority.
Further down the document ...
Wm Marshall
To Samuel Marshall Brother
To Matilda Popplewell Sister
Regards Mark
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Afternoon all :)
Marriage at Selby
Henry Popleton aged 32 a mariner and MARIA Matilda Marshall both of Selby married 12 April 1796 by licence.
Both signed
Witnesses: Sarah Meggitt, James Shepherd, Thomias Winter and Wm. Drake.
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Marriage at Holme on Spalding Moor
William Holmes Marshall of Selby married Ann Ramsdale of Holme on Spalding Moor by license 1 April 1812.
Both signed.
Witnesses: Hannah Loftas and James Ramsdale.
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Looking at the Selby Land Tax of 1809, it seems George Hood might not have taken over directly from Richard Gibson.
Looking at a Phillip or Philip Holmes as a possible in 1809 (before Rich'd Gibson got his Bankruptcy, Certificate of Conformity in 1810).
Phillip Holmes of Selby was a Victualler & Inn Keeper of the Granby, Selby in 1800 (also seems to be called Granby Head at Selby).
Apparently his wife Sarah Holmes was buried at Selby 3 August 1810.
When and where was Phillip Holmes buried please?
Thanks Mark
I have an apology to make, I am sorry as it seems Philip Holmes did not take over Richard Gibson's business, as the tax value does not correspond.
Regards Mark
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Richard and Eleanor had a few children, but from the baptism of his daughter Elizabeth in 1800
Elizabeth daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer, and by Elizabeth his wife daughter of --- Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland
So looking for a Richard Gibson born c 1766 near Newcastle son of Thomas and Elizabeth.
EDIT:
Elianor daughter of Leonard Colbert, woodman of Selby, by Elianor his wife daughter of Matthew Lofthouse of Seathingwell in the parish of Saxon, farmer.
Regarding the mention of a Brown in the Richard Gibson of Selby ancestral lineage, I purchased this 1792 Bond of Nicholas Brown Forster Esquire of Bolton Northumberland to Isabella Gibson widow of Newcastle upon Tyne (or her Executors in the event she had died).
Seem to think we had difficulty in linking Thomas Gibson to the Brown side of the family, any use?
Forster crest, a buck trippant and a stag in various guises.
Regards Mark
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Same family ~ taken from a MI
Sacred to the Memory of MATTHEW FORSTER Esqre
who died September the 10th 1790: Aged 64 Years.
of JANE FORSTER, Widow of the above MATTHEW FORSTER,
Eldest Daughter and Heiress,
of NICHOLAS BROWN Esqre,
who died March the 24th 1809: Aged 77 Years.
of NICHOLAS BROWN FORSTER Esqre their Son,
who died April the 24th 1794: Aged 30 Years.
And of THOMAS FORSTER Esqre their Son,
who died February the 2nd 1795: Aged 27 Years.
This Monument is erected as a Tribute of deep regret and of
tender Affection for their Venerated Parents, and beloved Brothers
by ELEANOR BURRELL, DOROTHY FORSTER,
and JANE KER.
the Daughters, and only surviving Children,
of the above MATTHEW and JANE FORSTER.
http://www.ancestral-indexes.co.uk/misc/NBL/ALK/ALK-BCH.htm
EDIT: There is a PCC Will of a Hannah Forster of Selby ( wife of Anthony) ~ couple of Proctor men get a mention ~ Thomas and William ~ merchants)
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Mark
Your know Richard Gibson born circa 1761 a cooper by trade business, - you know his dad was Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate Newcastle/Tyne -you know- Richard Gibson's mother was Elizabeth Brown
You know the Thomas Gibson X Elizabeth Brown marriage 12 Sep 1756 Event Place St Andrew's, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Rather than traveling expense to archives you could try to your nearest LDS family history library
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=19517&query=%2Bplace%3A%22England%2C%20Northumberland%2C%20Newcastle-upon-Tyne%22%20%2Bavailability%3AOnline&subjectsOpen=389949-50,665036-50
in particular this film
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/427304?availability=Family%20History%20Library
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Thomas Gibson X Elizabeth Brown marriage 12 Sep 1756 Event Place St Andrew'S, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Richard Gibson born 1761 (cooper)
Richard Gibson at Newcastle All Saints: 6 June 1762, father Thomas
Richard Browne married Margaret Browne ? Belington 25th Feb 1719
Elizabeth Brown of Bedington parents and siblings
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abrown~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ABedlington~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1710-1740~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Arichard~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amargaret~
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I think we should work on trying to find out what happened to these Browns and for any siblings that Richard Gibson may have had, it may give us a lead :)
claire
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Only Bedlington Brown's in Trade Directories is 1855
Mrs Brown Grocer
Thomas Brown Beer house
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8-kGAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA896&dq=Ward%27s+North+of+England+Directory+bedington&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Ward's%20North%20of%20England%20Directory%20bedington&f=false
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Thomas Gibson and Elizabeth Brown: ( married 1756) Their children
Elizabeth bpt. 5 August 1759: likely wife of John HOOD and father of George H bn 1786 Gateshead
Richard bpt. 6 June 1762 Cooper of Wren Lane Selby
Conflicting baptism dates of the children show there may be more than one Thomas Gibson baptising children in Newcastle
Thomas bpt. 1 October 1769 and another 29 October 1769
Mary bpt. 27 August 1769
John bpt. 25 December 1765
claire
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I think your right Claire that establishing who the Brown family were of Bedlington as status or class, then research middle names of Brown's
Though Brown is and was a very common surname
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Yes there were a few children I tried to research last night - such a common surname - I ended up thoroughly 'Browned' off !! :-\
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Mark
Your know Richard Gibson born circa 1761 a cooper by trade business, - you know his dad was Thomas Gibson of Halls Gate Newcastle/Tyne -you know- Richard Gibson's mother was Elizabeth Brown
You know the Thomas Gibson X Elizabeth Brown marriage 12 Sep 1756 Event Place St Andrew's, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Rather than traveling expense to archives you could try to your nearest LDS family history library
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=19517&query=%2Bplace%3A%22England%2C%20Northumberland%2C%20Newcastle-upon-Tyne%22%20%2Bavailability%3AOnline&subjectsOpen=389949-50,665036-50
in particular this film
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/427304?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Thanks dobfarm & Claire
Seems some Newcastle images are actually available online.
There were two or more Thomas Gibsons Newcastle area.
The Richard Gibson bankruptcy file was destroyed. However, it was by a Commission and in 1807 to 1810 under the Chancery.
A Business & Bankruptcy researcher (online), quoting from an HMSO, PRO Volume 1 Legal Records (1963) says that the actual Ld. Chancellors Bankruptcy Commission, the Order and other records still exist and also in PRO/TNA.
Looking at other TNA record Series.
Legal records are an uncharted area to me, so I'll ask them.
Regards Mark
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Given that there is some evidence to suggest Richard Gibson was in London c1812 ( is that correct? )
Wonder if he spent time in the debtor's prison, the pics below were taken from London's King's Bench and Fleet Prison Discharge Books and Prison Lists. There are three entries for a Richard Gibson, one dated 19 Mar 1804, another dated 22 Jul 1811 and lastly 'committed' 1 May 1812 discharged 10 Sep 1812.
I am aware there were a father and son, both by the same name in later registers and newspaper articles going bankrupt also at later dates
claire
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Thank you
Richard Gibson had his 'Certificate of Conformity' issued in 1810. If I have understood the old process correctly, the Certificate means effectively that Gibson had complied and been discharged?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/bankrupts-insolvent-debtors/
The NA, Index recording the issue of the Certificate in 1810, said Gibson was at Little Britain, London.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6059164#msg6059164
In 1811 Richard Gibson appears in the Selby Land Tax.
Re Gibson 1812, I don't know?
Regards Mark
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Yes, he does seem to vanish. Pity those land Tax records don't show a street names and not just the sums of money assessed.
Just altered George Hoods entry in 1812 ~ transcribed as Wood by Anc* :-\
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Claire
Make what you will of this- only not many coppers around called Gibson in that time period 1800 to 1817 Southwark is also a place well known to Mark (late 18th century -John Hood & Ships)
(Brother of Richard Gibson perhaps or a mentor of George Hood died 1845 Selby) ???)
The Examiner London 14th Dec 1817 at Old Bailey.
A - J Gibson, a Cooper abode Redcross Street London (Today called Redcross way off Union street south of River Thames over Southwark bridge and cross Park Street going Southwards turn left on to Union Street.)
J Gibson was a witness to a child snatching abduction case while he walked on Fleet street.
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/43939-Red-Cross-Street-in-Southwark-cir-1837
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Found by Claire
J Gibson cooper Southwark was James Gibson a cooper
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=181712030042
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Thank you for the comments Edit: and the article.
Reasons for a non - Quaker burial:-
Deceased was:-
i) non - church [took that to mean not Parish C of E / Anglican, in other words of a dissenting faith]
ii) US Quakers buried a Presbyterian Minister
iii) distantly related to a Quaker [a Benjamin Hood (not dated) is noted amongst the Knaresborough Monthly Meeting Minute Book, Carlton Hill A1 1721 - 1753]
If you were born a Quaker and married in Church you could be disowned.
A Quaker bankrupt could be also disowned, Quakers certainly viewed the matter of bankruptcy very seriously.
Seems a Quaker burial entitlement by Quaker Birthright, could be lost.
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I suspect, George Hood might be a dissenter, hence no Yorkshire Parish baptism or Quaker birth found.
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I see a UK archive, historical reference to:-
i) an at fault bankrupt
ii) a not at fault bankrupt
Awaiting delivery:- two s/hand publications on Chancery Commissions (incl. bankruptcy), one is HMSO by our Public Record Office (1963) and the other, a 16 page article by Dr Shelia Marriner written in 1980.
Bankruptcy could have ranged from non-payment of Excise Duty, to non-payment of a family settlement.
Regards Mark
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Enquired about the Commissions, after reference to Bankruptcy records:-
http://www.jordanpublishing.co.uk/practice-areas/insolvency/news_and_comment/bankruptcy-records-in-the-national-archive-and-elsewhere-an-embarrassment-of-riches#.WOS8s011rIU
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1812 onwards Wren lane business of G H Cooper business changed to Brewing at same address. Thus would there be records of the change of business to GH Brewer from Cooper.
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Thanks
Seems only Stock Companies (TNA, BT 41). Tried ... Selby; Hood; Gowthorpe, Brewery; but nothing.
According to the baptisms, George Hood became a Brewer circa 1825.
Just under Richard Gibson in the "Docket Book 1806 To 1808" (TNA, B 4/28), it is interesting how the File for Wm Hogarth Gibson, Warehouseman of Saville Row (marked as preserved & on TNA catalogue), was the day before Richard Gibson's Commission.
Richard Gibson's Commission was the 30th May 1807 and John James, 11 Gray's Inn Place, Gray's Inn, London, was the 'Sol. or Agent'.
Very recent further research, suggests that because Richard Gibson's bankruptcy was by a Lord Chancellors Commission, the Commission itself should still be held, or in the Cases. Awaiting reference books and TNA enquiry.
Regards Mark
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We can't escape the same names coming up over and over - seems the Lord Chancellor of 1807 was a John Scott bn Newcastle upon Tyne :-\
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We can't escape the same names coming up over and over - seems the Lord Chancellor of 1807 was a John Scott bn Newcastle upon Tyne :-\
Thanks Claire, I never thought to check that one!
Well that is most interesting!
You will also find this interesting too 1794/1799 Articles, a Thomas Hood of Newcastle upon Tyne doing his Articles / Legal Training, under Benjamin Brookes / Dobson in the High Court of Chancery Westminster.
By 1799 Richard Dobson was late of Newcastle upon Tyne, Gentleman, deceased.
Elizabeth Dobson, Widow, was of Hipperholme, County of York.
Mother Mary Hood was a Widow of Brampton Cumberland (same place as the Rev Robert Hood D.D., a Dissenting Minister came from, to the Chapel at Newcastle).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.18
Quite sure, the George Hood mystery, will be broken eventually!
Regards Mark
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Wondering if anything else on this John James of Gray's Inn, Solicitor or Agent, in the Richard Gibson bankruptcy, please?
In 1810 John James 11 Grays Inn Place, Grays Inn was a wine merchant according to Fire Insurance. In 1811 given as a "gent".
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_aq=John%20James%20Grays%20Inn%20place&_ep=John%20James&_dss=range&_sd=1800&_ed=1820&_ro=any
According to Sheila Marriner's article (Aug 1980), John James would have been Richard Gibson's Solicitor or Agent.
Previously we worked out from a reference to his Son who went to school in Gray's Inn, that John James Esq., later became the "Secondary of London" alias "Secondary of the City of London".
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His parents were John James, a solicitor and secondary of the City of London, and his wife Caroline née Combe, niece of ...
Regards Mark
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Its iffy but?
Say Maudland Hood baptised 1774 born say 1773, and say George Hood who died 1845 was born 1789 to Maudland aged 16 illegitimately in 1789 & could be his mother ? if she was sent to the poor house hospital in Selby in her pregnancy and recorded in poor house hospital birth records. Father unknown or Charles Turner and George brought up either by John and Jane Hood or Maudland and Charles Turner or both.
Or George born to a Hood single woman who born alien to Selby area but was working in domestic service, sent to the poor hospital in her pregnancy by her employer and George recorded in the poor hospital (Workhouse hospital charity trust) birth records.
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John James doesn't appear in this database ~ but added it for anyone reading to bookmark
http://www.innertemplearchives.org.uk/search.asp
I see a Thomas Hood appears in the register of admissions for Grays Inn.
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029785452#page/n391/mode/2up
claire
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Maybe nit picking here,
One thinks of a Cooper as a barrel make- full stop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_(profession)
It turns out that there was different types, one was a general Cooper (in link under history)
Quote extract:
' The "general" cooper worked on ships, on the docks, and in warehouses, and was responsible for cargo while in storage or transit. With a specialized skill, the general cooper could repair a broken stave without losing the contents of a cask.' unquote
Preparation of a barrel long term for storage of the barrel as the charcoal burning or charring the barrel.
http://www.popsci.com/what-happens-in-whiskey-barrel-over-half-century
This would suggest brewing
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So could possibly be away from land then ? Maybe why there is a lack of any sort of record from him
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So could possibly be away from land then ? Maybe why there is a lack of any sort of record from him
That's one possibility but from where - Gateshead ? America, India, London
Probably paid off after each voyage, have cash in his pocket and hears about the bankrupt cooper business gone bust with just a yard to rent after docking.
He would have his own tools, if R Gibson business shop tools were sold off at auction (business over) then it would only be the renting the yard needed for George Hood a cooper to start up his own business.
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John James doesn't appear in this database ~ but added it for anyone reading to bookmark
http://www.innertemplearchives.org.uk/search.asp
I see a Thomas Hood appears in the register of admissions for Grays Inn.
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029785452#page/n391/mode/2up
claire
Thanks Claire
Thomas Hood in 1771, is on page 387.
Also got the 1794 & 1799 Articles of another Thomas Hood of Newcastle upon Tyne, under a Solicitor at Gray's Inn and a government dept.
One Master Solicitor was called Dobson.
Regards Mark
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_(profession)
It turns out that there was different types, one was a general Cooper (in link under history)
Quote extract:
' The "general" cooper worked on ships, on the docks, and in warehouses, and was responsible for cargo while in storage or transit. With a specialized skill, the general cooper could repair a broken stave without losing the contents of a cask.' unquote
Preparation of a barrel long term for storage of the barrel as the charcoal burning or charring the barrel.
http://www.popsci.com/what-happens-in-whiskey-barrel-over-half-century
This would suggest brewing
Hello dobfarm
Thank you.
Think we touched on the Ports & the Navy /Army requiring Coopers before.
The Navy and the Army, docks, food supplies (especially meat), Brewers of Ale and Distillers of Malt and Spirits, would employ Coopers and Apprentice Cooper/s.
Navy records of Ratings and the lower Ranks for this period, are by H.M. Ship and currently you either have to know the H.M. Ship/s they belonged to, or search every vessel in the Royal Navy.
Only ancestors on H.M. Ships involved in the Battle of Trafalgar are listed on TNA, Battle of Trafalgar Ancestors database.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/advanced_search.asp
I understand meat was heavily salted and sealed into barrels for voyages too, this is probably how the tin was invented, some bright spark probably thought, if we could seal food into tins, we could preserve it and open it when required.
A Cooper would be onboard too and his job was to repair barrels (after heavy seas, or if they broke loose) and apparently do barrel checks too.
They possibly assisted with emergency ship repairs and caulking joints too.
Regards Mark
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On Ships, Docks and Warehouses
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Noted a Thomas Shepley (Shipley) a brewer in Selby Jan 1807 went bankrupt same year as R Gibson 1807, this follow on effect if Gibson lost a contract with this bankrupt brewer or was owed money from T Shepley and was a reason Gibson went bust also..
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On Ships, Docks and Warehouses
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Noted a Thomas Shepley (Shipley) a brewer in Selby Jan 1807 went bankrupt same year as R Gibson 1807, this follow on effect if Gibson lost a contract with this bankrupt brewer or was owed money from T Shepley and was a reason Gibson went bust also..
Thanks dobfarm
Got note/s from newspaper/s re Shepley of Selby, a Brewer and his Brewery.
I'll look it/them out.
Regards Mark
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Hello
Say for example, that my George Hood of Selby is not the Nephew of Richard Gibson of Selby, Cooper, late of Newcastle upon Tyne ...
but a more distant relation, although still related to the Gibsons of Newcastle via the John Hood of 'All Saints without walls' ... , Mariner = Elizabeth Gibson, Spinster, 1779 Marriage.
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Because there may be a Gibson connection, I've acquired this later Deed and Plan for my collection (attached) and I get the feeling that John Cook (dau Elizabeth Cook, John Cook 1773 Will and the 1817 Administration with reference to Brown; the Ridleys (see attached Plan) and reference to Jane Spencer - Durham documents online); Charles John Pearson of Gateshead (and his predecessor) and Hood are all tied up to Gibson of Newcastle likely Thomas Gibson (probably Thos Gibson the Banker) who incidentally has a number of illegitimate children.
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1851
According to the following 1851 document description a Robert Hood of Lower Seymour Street, Middlesex, Surgeon seems to own land at Whickham, along with Charles John Pearson.
It would be interesting to discover who Robert Hood was?
22 February 1851
(1) Robert Leadbetter of Newcastle upon Tyne, gent.
(2) Robert Hood of Lower Seymour Street, Middlesex, surgeon
(3) Charles John Pearson of Gateshead, builder
(4) The Rt. Hon. Thomas Henry, Baron Ravensworth
Conveyance and appointment by (1) (2) and (3) to (4) of a field called the Heep at Whickham 8a.1r.4p. Recites previous deeds Consideration: £830 to (1), £170 to (3)
(1 file)
1820
According to an earlier document description of 1820 Thomas Gibson, Ridley (various Ridleys linked to Cook in the above Will Admin) AND Robert Pearson are in a property deal, along with the bank of 'Ridley, Bigge, Gibson and Company'.
Ridleys are mentioned in John Cook's 1773 Will, Admin 1817.
18 July 1820
(1) William Greenwell, late of Kibblesworth, now of Newcastle upon Tyne, Esq.
(2) William Boyd of Newcastle upon Tyne, banker
(3) Sir Matthew White Ridley, Baronet, Charles William Bigge, Thomas Gibson, and Thomas Hanway Bigge, copartners with (2) in the banking firm of Ridley, Bigge, Gibson and Company
(4) Sir Thomas Henry Liddell of Ravensworth Castle, Baronet
(5) George Baker of Elemore, Esq.
(6) Robert Pearson of Newcastle upon Tyne, Esq.
Draft release by (1) to (5) of Kibblesworth Grange and fields as specified (42a.1r.36p) and allotments (23a.0r 32p) on Blackburn Fell, reserving minerals, upon the trusts of the will of Sir Henry George Liddell, Bart Assignment by (2) to (6) of the residue of a term of 5000 years upon trust to attend the freehold. Declaration that the purchase money is part of £90,000 produced by the sale of Newton Estate to William Russell. Recites previous deeds Consideration: £3000 by (5) to (3) and (2), and £1000 by (5) to (1)
(1 file)
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I also noticed on the Durham documents online that John Cook, Widower, Butcher, had made a Bond and Allegation to marry an Elizabeth Gibson, Spinster, dated May 1757, both of the Chapelry of All Saints.
The John Cook Will (mentioned above) leaves property at Cowgate (north of Fenham / Halls Gate) and Pandon Bank to daughter Elizabeth Cook (parents seem to have died before she could inherit) and the Ridleys are then involved using the 1773 Will, in an 1817 Administration.
According to the Plan some of the Newcastle upon Tyne land, had previously passed into the hands of George Tallentire Gibson.
Regards Mark
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I'm not sure how watermen, mariners, coopers, brewers, tanners, publicans/innkeepers of working or lower middle class would seriously be involved with bankers , Lords, land gentry rich upper crust society
John Hood a mariner-Scarborough married 1765 Eliz Leppington widow nee Spencer who died 1775 -John Hood a waterman Newcastle (married Eliz Gibson 1779)- John Hood a publican at the Ship Inn Gateshead - could all be same chap. Even today trawler men's families have land based businesses like running a pub.
Spencer - Coopers Newcastle trade directories 1778
(George Hood b 1786 Gateshead father John occupation unknown and George Hood a cooper 1815 aged 28 born 1786/7 at marriage to Sarah Russel in Selby earliest known in tax records 1812 in Selby)
Richard Gibson a lower middleclass working businessman cooper in a backstreet yard in Selby with a dad a farmer/labourer from Halls gate Newcastle on Tyne - How he would be involved with said noble people - apart from renting land/ houses -Lord Petre ? . Thomas Gibson from Halls gate probably renting farm and farm land from the Fenham Hall Estate gentry (any records from Fenham Hall estate land management rents may hold info on Thomas Gibson.)
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Newcastle Journal, 22 Sep 1832
In this town, in Pandon Bank, on the 13th inst. Mr Jas. Faddy, jun. aged 30; and on the 19th inst. Mrs Hood, sister of the above.
This book by E. Mackenzie was published 1827 and the part on Ballast Hills cemetery names a John Hood and James Faddy on the same line.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1JvkAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA413&lpg=PA413&dq=%22john+Hood%22+%22James+Faddy%22&source=bl&ots=51NNMLIwUh&sig=lp3NkAz4EU0vE1Gy1Dr8vTrbWks&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtmIy1qcvPAhWrCsAKHblQBK8Q6AEIGzAA
Ballast Hills was a Dissenters Cemetery ...
Thank you dobfarm for your reply.
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Hi
Because a John Hood appears on the same line as James Faddy in the 1827 book about Ballast Hills Cemetery, I have been looking further into the 1832 newspaper quote above.
The Hood = Faddy, Marriage cannot be found on Family Search.
The Durham County Advertiser, 5 October 1832, confirms her full name as Mrs Jane Hood
At Newcastle, in Pandon Bank, 20th ult., aged 26, Mrs Jane Hood.
Discovered from Family Search that Jane Hood was born Jane Faddy - Newcastle All Saints 9 October 1806 (Baptism 4 December 1806). Parents were James Faddy and Sarah Sophia (also given on FS as) Sarah SCOTT.
Although the Hood = Jane Faddy, Marriage is not on Family Search, I found this:-
Durham Chronicle, 10 September 1825
At Jarrow, on the 16th ult., Mr Adam Hood, Baker, to Miss Jane Faddy, both of Newcastle.
I should be interested in the Witnesses at the Marriage?
Adam Hood was the Son of James Hood, Baker of the Quay Side, Newcastle. [When Isabella died aged 70, the Widow of Mr James Hood, Baker, her residence was Westgate Street - according to the Durham Co. Advertiser 6 April 1849] ...
Newcastle Courant, 14 May 1841 (and in N. Journal of the 15th)
At Gateshead Fell, on the 8th inst. aged 38, Adam, son of Mr James Hood, late baker on the Quay Side.
According to the Newcastle Association for Prosecution of Fellons lists, the Baker changed from James Hood to Adam Hood 1838 / 1839.
This appears to be the death of James Hood, the Baker, as the street given, was the same as that of his Widow, Isabella
Newcastle Journal, 3 July 1847
At Croft, on the 29th ult. aged 76, Mr James Hood, of Westgate Street, in this town.
Because of the book about the burials at Ballast Hills Cemetery and the John Hood and James Faddy burials, there is a slight and unconfirmed suggestion that John Hood buried there, might be linked to James Hood & Adam Hood, Bakers?
I would be most interested to know more about the Adam Hood = Jane Faddy 1825 Marriage.
Regards Mark
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Not sure if the images are online in regards to the marriage but a transcript is.
St Pauls Jarrow
Adam Hood married Jane Sophia Faddy 16 Aug. 1825
Witnesses: Thomas Sheldon and Jane Dodds. ~ think these were possibly church officials - witnessed quite a few marriages either side of this marriage.
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Hi
Thanks Claire. Just goes to show, that Family Search have some events to index.
"of this Parish" is a joke. The newspaper and my research shows they were both from Newcastle upon Tyne.
Durham Chronicle, 10 September 1825
At Jarrow, on the 16th ult., Mr Adam Hood, Baker, to Miss Jane Faddy, both of Newcastle.
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According to a recently published book, it seems that even Captain James Cook a non-Quaker was being mentioned in either the Scarborough and/or Whitby Quaker Minutes, according to the catalogue refs given.
In view of George Hood, being buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground (per York Quakers) as a Not in Membership, the next step is for Mrs H and I to have a visit to Leeds and see if the Quaker Minutes were discussing my ancestor and what if anything was said.
Jonathan Hutchinson (besides Andrew Turton, Sexton) has also signed the George Hood Burial Note (form).
Regards Mark
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Hi
Been through the census - it's a PETER HOOD GP who is resident at Lower Seymour Street from 1841 right until his death. He is however the son of a ROBERT HOOD who we have dealt with before
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.0
onwards from dobfarm's post #2
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Hi
Been through the census - it's a PETER HOOD GP who is resident at Lower Seymour Street from 1841 right until his death. He is however the son of a ROBERT HOOD who we have dealt with before
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.0
onwards from dobfarm's post #2
Thanks Claire
Are you saying that the Peter Hood (you found Claire) is the Son of Robert Hood, Surgeon (mentioned in my post Reply # 505 above), is the same Peter Hood 1808 nonconformist Parents Robert Mary (Sinclair) in dobfarm's post?
The Thompson surname is in my deed photo above and your Wedding extract too.
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My Grandfather owned a smallholding farm and looking at the earlier 1873 Norfolk Return of Owners of Land (exceeding more than 1 acre) all the land in that village was owned by three THOMPSONS.
Obviously, made enquiries, but no helpful reply yet.
Coincidentally, a Mr Slipper was one of the 19th Century village farmers.
Regards Mark
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Hi
I cannot find a Robert Hood surgeon full stop at Lower Seymour Street. Is it a coincidence there is a Peter Hood surgeon at an address there born 1808 Gateshead. I have searched BMD's - the only Peter Hood born at this time and at Gateshead is the son of Robert Hood and Mary Sinclair.
A document to show address of Peter from his son's Freedom of the City document
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I should point out that the wedding of Peter Hood surgeon took place in Brighton Sussex
His wife Edith Thomson was born in London 1805 the daughter of John Tyler Thomson and Edith
claire
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Thomas Gibson and Elizabeth Brown: ( married 1756) Their children
Elizabeth bpt. 5 August 1759: likely wife of John HOOD and father of George H bn 1786 Gateshead
Richard bpt. 6 June 1762 Cooper of Wren Lane Selby
Conflicting baptism dates of the children show there may be more than one Thomas Gibson baptising children in Newcastle
Thomas bpt. 1 October 1769 and another 29 October 1769
Mary bpt. 27 August 1769
John bpt. 25 December 1765
claire
Page 1 in link
https://archive.org/stream/localrecordsorhi03sykeuoft#page/n9/mode/2up/search/hood+
Jan 20th The cooperage belonging to Mr James Brown on the East side of Tyne Brewery
Page 126
https://archive.org/stream/localrecordsorhi03sykeuoft#page/126/mode/2up/search/hood+
Feb 22 1840 Mr Petrie Mr Hood and Mr Thompson
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If the census was Pontop Collierley (not Colliery - easy spelling mistake) there is a potential location for the cooperage building where the barrels were made
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733961.9
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I should point out that the wedding of Peter Hood surgeon took place in Brighton Sussex
His wife Edith Thomson was born in London 1805 the daughter of John Tyler Thomson and Edith
claire
Hi
Thank you Claire for all the information.
That leaves me wondering if there is any link between 'Tyler Thomson' and Tyler Brothers of Leicester and elsewhere.
Tyler Brothers,
Shoe and Leather Factors and Merchants, Belvoir Street, Leicester, (at dissolution in 1886) consisted of:-
Alfred Tyler
Josiah Tyler and
Henry Peters Tyler.
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Quoted from previous Rootschat post ...
... George Hood had been a Commercial Traveller in the Leather Trade and his Office address was Belvoir Street, Leceister.
... Tyler Brothers established 1862, his personal office was also at Belvoir Street, Leicester.
The Tyler Brothers partnership was dissolved in 1886 and they continued separately.
Henry Peters Tyler set up on his own in 1886 as H. P. Tyler selling boots and shoes, becoming H. P. Tyler Ltd. Tylers shoe shops.
End of quote
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The first children of George Hood (my 2 x Gt G.) were born at Wigston Fields and I have since discovered that the Tylers owned a farm at Wigston, according to a sale advert.
Henry Peters Tyler relinquished his Executorship to my George Hood's Will, passing it to the other Executrix Cecilia Hood.
The year after George Hood of Leicester died, the Tyler Brothers business was dissolved and they went their separate ways.
When Tyler advertised some of their property for sale, it stated that the Tyler brothers were in disagreement or dispute.
Bit about the Tyler brothers here ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VCPVAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT47&lpg=PT47&dq=%22Henry+Peters+Tyler%22&source=bl&ots=04OR06exJc&sig=m2CKrOCmdmbMFeUTU909yz6L9HE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjck4PSrsjUAhVsIcAKHTcuDJMQ6AEIJDAE
I've always wondered if there was some relationship connection between a Hood and the Tylers, or if it was just the Leather Merchant trade.
Regards Mark
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Are you sure that's the correct one? I thought John Hood was at the 'Ship' on Spicer Lane (1778 in the occupation of Jos. Liddell.)
Or am I mistaken?
Thank you, for this 1778 Directory link. It seems Newcastle and Gateshead are together in the 1778 Directory.
See my Reply 55 page 7 of this thread for 1787 image extract ... Hood John, publican, fhip, South-fhore
North-shore was along the North side of the River.
South-shore was along the South side of the River.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.54
Several Ship pubs, when searching "ship" and "fhip".
Bear in mind this other chap is between Gibson and Hood, if it was the same pub, or same Licence (by transfer-see below).
Even though the Gibson example says 'near New-gate', if it doesn't turn out to be near South-shore, it might very occasionly still be the same License, as old Licences were held by the applicant. Also a pub name could very occasionally transfer to other premises.
Our 200 year old Victuallers Licenses, name the Victualler, Township or Parish name and that he/she must live at their premises and virtually all by then, are giving his/her pub or inn sign name.
Hopefully, an Annual Victuallers Register survives for the whole of the period (giving pub/inn name, with the Applicant and His/Her Bondsman) and it should possible to compare year by year, any changes, by elimination. Also any new pub names which appear, or those which disappear.
Yes dobfarm, late summer break being considered (but just negotiating wife's shopping allowance - Laugh O. Loud).
Kind regards, Mark
Newcastle Courant May 7 1825 James Brown Cooper Spicer lane
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The last time James Brown appears in the polling records for Newcastle under the Cooperage is 1849 on Broad Chare.
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Thanks dobfarm
Further to my post (last page) if you refer to John Cook's 1773 Will and also presented at the 1817 Administration (free download on the Durham Probate site), you will see a George Brown mentioned too.
Will of 1773 is not enough in its raw form and I can't quite understand what is going on either.
Seems both John Cook and wife are dead 1773, had left some property to daughter Elizabeth Cook, but her Guardians / Trustees might have sold up or Leased on a long term, Spencers and Ralph Gibson a Cooper mentioned.
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Still interested please, if there is any link of my Hood - Tyler business link, to this other Tyler, you found Claire?
Regards Mark
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Another daughter of John Tyler Thomson was Elizabeth Bruce Thomson
She married in 1847 a Thomas Turner Stocker ( Teacher of Drawing). On the marriage entry John Tyler Thomson was a coachmaker.
John Tyler T was born in London 1774 to a James and Mary Thomson
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Thanks Claire and dobfarm
A trip to see the Quaker Minutes can't come soon enough.
Let's hope there are a few jigsaw pieces, that will confirm George Hood's relations and/or origin.
Regards Mark
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Working on Richard Gibson cooper Selby son of Thomas Gibson farmer Halls gate Newcastle wife Elizabeth Brown of Bedlington, the mother of Elizabeth Gibson bn 1759 Newcastle married John Hood mariner 1779.
James Brown cooper - Ancestry ?
Tyne Brewery- Owners names ?
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Interesting read :)
http://gateshead-history.com/gateshead-breweries.html
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNJB-KTY
James Barras married Mary Brown father James Brown 1839 St. Hilda's Church, South Shields
Newcastle Brown Ale was brewed in Gateshead, where so called Newcastle Exhibition was born
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Wonder what James Browns occupation is on that marriage record
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Good Morning
Many Thanks for all the replies.
Gibson & Bedlington, Brewers, Gateshead, street given as Pipewellgate, Gateshead (1787).
1781 Bailey's Northern Directory
Gibson and Bedlington, Brewers, Gateshead.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jqBVAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=%22Gibson+and+Bedlington%22&source=bl&ots=sItEbVcFUf&sig=d3GUTCL_9dLBNbJBSxgcfe84k7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdzvaGwsnUAhUgOsAKHWzNAOIQ6AEIHDAA
Gibsons were also Nail makers at Bedlington, from 1814 according to 4 references here:-
http://www.bdt.bedlington.co.uk/article/bedlington-timeline
Regards Mark
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Veering off topic a little - back to this John Tyler Thomson. One of his sons was a Thomas Harrower Thomson - a wine merchant - who from this link was based in Leicester
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=khlKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA2077&lpg=PA2077&dq=thomas+harrower+thomson&source=bl&ots=zPdmCdvZDZ&sig=obiJ7Li2QnuFxGFoZMxAxDEGIaw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4tIeE98nUAhWSI1AKHZ3LBfgQ6AEIIzAC#v=onepage&q=thomas%20harrower%20thomson&f=false
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Hello All
Claire, I'm very pleased you had a 'weird day' as you call it, finding a Hood for your own tree.
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My late Great Uncle, Jack Hood (Solicitor) was a representative, along with a Kenneth William Freer for:-
Frederick John Arnall THOMPSON, Gentleman, who died 3rd January 1958, of :-
Swithland
27 Prideaux Road,
Eastbourne,
Sussex.
The GRO site says it has only indexed up to 1957, so can't get an age, nor even year of birth?
EDIT Can't find an E & W Birth.
SCULCOATES 1910, BIRTH is Frederick James Ashton THOMPSON.
St George Hanover Square 1897, BIRTH is Frederick John Alexander THOMPSON.
A possible marriage to a Richardson (Ethel M.) at Lincoln, Dec Qtr 1936?
My Grandma Hood moved up to Scotland, but used to come from Scotland to Eastbourne for her holidays.
Also the name of his house Swithland.
Swithland Wood in Charnwood Forest Leicestershire and Manchester areas.
An unverified source is suggesting circa 1840 that :-
Catherine Thompson, Swithland, Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire.
My 2 x Gt Grandparents, George & Cecilia Hood have John Sidney Hood, birth registered in the District of Barrow upon Soar 1878.
Hoping, that Frederick John Arnall Thompson, Gent., is actually related to my Hoods by Marriage/s at least?
Be nice to get someone, who is distant and not in my direct line and then find new information!
Regards Mark
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Alumni_Oxoniensis_(1715-1886)_volume_4.djvu/198
See Foster's Yorkshire Collection. Thompson, Harry Thompson Arnall, 1S. Joseph Arnall, of Belgrave, co. Leicester, arm. BRASENOSE COLLEGE, matric. 15 Jan., 1883, aged 18 ; B.A. 1887, assumed the additional surname of THOMPSON.
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According to GRO death he was born in 1872....
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Frederic John Arnall was born 1872 in Knighton, Leicester. His father Joseph was a Solicitor (probate record gives 2 addresses 43 Wellington Street & 29 Horsefair Street) Frederick married Bertha Elizabeth Holland in 1902.
EDIT: Joseph married Mary Jane THOMPSON in 1863
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Thank you Goughy, that's a start.
Although its not indexed, you must have found the Free BMD Death index image, first.
I must be a bit slow! Its the heat!
1958 Frederick J A Thompson, aged 86, District of Eastbourne, March Qtr.
EDIT: I had ruled out a Sculcoates Birth, but discovered that the surname Thompson was added "assumed" to a Joseph Arnall (see my Edits).
I wonder which Frederick J A Thompson married Ethel M. Richardson in the Dec Quarter 1936, please?
Regards Mark
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Mary Jane Thompsons father John Thompson , was quite a wealthy man. A thousand pounds given to Mary Jane upon his death plus any rents arising from his property on Horsefair Street for life. Also mention of a trust for her children to the value of £5000 to be shared on attaining the age of 21 years.
More property was left to her brother Frederick John Thompson for life.
This John Thompson was born c1804 in Nottingham.
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Thank you Goughy and Claire
a) Found on Free BMD, I wonder which Frederick J A Thompson married Ethel M. Richardson in the Dec Quarter 1936, please?
b) Claire, the 'Tyler Thompson' link with Leicester, sounds interesting, especially as my 2 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood, Leather Merchant and Victualler (and Freemason) possibly had some business association, with Henry Peters Tyler of Belvoir Street, Leicester and Tyler Brothers of Belvoir Street, Leicester, who were also in the Leather business and Shoe Makers?
c) I have a feeling now, that my initial excitement yesterday of a Sculcoates 1910 Birth (full name now edited in as Frederick James Ashton Thompson and different to the 1958 Will of Frederick John Arnall Thompson) and the unknown Frederick J A Thompson 1936 marriage to a Richardson was premature?
EDIT: The two differences between George Hood of Selby and George Hood of Leicester, was that:-
George Hood of Selby had business associations with Quakers and
George Hood of De-Montfort Street, (Office Belvoir Street) Leicester was a member of the Freemasons.
Quakers
I have read about Quakers that they could form these alliances with Non-Quakers, provided it furthered their business interests to provide funds for their Quaker Meeting Halls and Organisation.
Regards Mark
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I'm looking forward to what and if there is anything written in the Quaker meeting books about GH.
I can't find much regarding the Frederic J A Thompson and Ethel M Richardson marriage - it's not been indexed by the sub sites. There are however Ethel M Thompson deaths in Sussex, but they could be anyone.
Did Frederic have any children ?
Finally found John Tyler Thompson's parents marriage: Westminster, St Martin-In-The-Fields by Licence. Doesn't say much bar he was a coach maker.
James Thom(p)son married Mary Tyler 19 November 1765
He signed, she left her mark.
Witnesses: Thomas Tyler and Mary Smith
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Hi
Thanks Claire, the Notice doesn't say if Frederick had children.
I have 68 Claims to be in before date notices, that Jack dealt with. One or two can sometimes possibly be family related.
Yes, the Quaker records may hopefully be the answer.
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According to a Yorkshire newspaper my Grandfather was to be recorded on the Battle of Britain Roll in Westminster Abbey, my Father never said anything, so I asked my Father and family members were invited. I've got very brief information from a Departmental Archives and from Blackpool, which also confirmed her Leicester and Scottish addresses (one of which we visited many times as a family). Grandfather's papers sent in 1940 to my Grandmother only confirms my Grandfather's details; Great Grandfather's name and address and Jack's (already known to us).
My Grandfather was "killed in Action" by the British whilst on Royal Air Force Operations for the Air Ministry WHI (Whitehall), before my Father was old enough to glean much family information.
Jack (Solicitor) wrote back and forth much correspondence.They added his name to his Captain's cross in Hampshire, but missing according to what they told my Grandmother.
His name is also recorded in the York Minster Roll (seen), because their aircraft departed from a Yorkshire Areodrome.
Kind regards, Mark
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Maybe nit picking here,
One thinks of a Cooper as a barrel make- full stop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_(profession)
It turns out that there was different types, one was a general Cooper (in link under history)
Quote extract:
' The "general" cooper worked on ships, on the docks, and in warehouses, and was responsible for cargo while in storage or transit. With a specialized skill, the general cooper could repair a broken stave without losing the contents of a cask.' unquote
Preparation of a barrel long term for storage of the barrel as the charcoal burning or charring the barrel.
http://www.popsci.com/what-happens-in-whiskey-barrel-over-half-century
This would suggest brewing
Found originally found by Claire
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6181730#msg6181730
From FindMyPast
George
Hood
Years 1808 to 1814 (Finish 25 April 1811 paid off 15th July 1812)
Rank Armourer .............................(Could have be cooper in charge gun power kegs or barrels)
Vessel (ship) Acasta
Pay book number 202
Mother Elizabeth
National archives number ADM 27/13
British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795 to 1852 Service records
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Google 'royal navy allotments'
Click on ' England, Navy Allotment Records, 1795-1812 (FamilySearch '
(These records will be accessible on order with small charge at your nearest LDS family history libraries with more info than those on Findmypast website)
example doc (Keep clicking on doc image to enlarge or zoom in to read )
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/File:England,_Navy_Allotment_Records_PPQ_15-0264_DGS_101991685_00083.jpg
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Rn paid off 15th July 1812
(George married Selby 18th July 1815)
Exact 2 years after ? Could have been on reserve - Napoleonic Wars finished June 1815
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Thank you dobfarm
Unfortunately, I've placed a reply here on West Yorkshire (after going off the quote from Claire).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6272147#msg6272147
Regards Mark
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The case (below) was found whilst searching for "Hood's Mill" at Windmill Hills, Gateshead.
1846 Property Adverts relating to HOOD v. HALL
One of the properties being advertised in 1846 (HOOD v. HALL) includes a lot of plots and property at Gateshead, including Windmill Hills, Gateshead, where the Hoods are known to have lived.
It would seem from the adverts that the same HOOD, possibly had the 4 Cottages in Town Street, HARROGATE, a garden, several Closes and a Copyhold Close in the Township of BONDGATE, in DARLINGTON, YORKSHIRE.
The adverts, are possibly linked to the John Lionel Hood, bankruptcy.
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Left me wondering if there were any Hoods living at those Yorkshire places in 1841, possibly related to the Hoods at Gateshead?
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Edit:
Reply #55
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6035137#msg6035137
Durham County Advertiser 25 July 1829
On the 8th inst. John Lionel Hood, Esq. of Newcastle, to Mary, second daughter of Samuel Walker Parker, Esq. of Scots House.
Regards Mark
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Hi
No Hoods in Harrogate in 1841, two Jane Hoods in Darlington, both servants but not in Bond-Gate.
Can't see the Hood v Hall case neither. There is a lengthy case involving Peter Hood regarding Windmill Hills & the colliery - 1840's - Hood v Easton.
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm.
I've been looking at the Census for any Hood, born Selby and managed to string this together using Ancestry and Free BMD ...
Henry Hood born Craike 1849 [GRO District Easingwold]. Occupation in later Census Brewery Labourer, later Brewery Drayman.
MARRIED
Elizabeth GIBSON BORN SELBY 1853 (becoming Elizabeth Hood born Selby)
(according to a transcription on Ancestry)
At YORK St Olave 22 February 1873
Father Francis Hood
Father: Francis Hood, aged 41 in 1851 Census born Forest Lane Head Yorkshire and Knaresboro' Yorkshire (at Craike Durham in 1841 Census).
Mother: Elizabeth Hood, aged 40 in 1851. Born Baxby, Yorkshire and also transcribed as Bagby
Crayke / Craike, seems to be in County of Durham, then North Yorkshire in 1844.
Census transcription misspellings:-
for Craike/Crayke, is Gayke
for Forest Lane Head, also misspelt Forest Lam Head
Also in one Census the Enumerator has spelt Henry Hood as Henry Hudd.
A place called Coxwold was a possible place for my missing William Hood in the 1841 Selby Census, (Wm Hood bapt. Selby 1816)
Regards Mark
Hello
Thanks Goughy
Not really sure if the Henry Hood b. Craike and Elizabeth Gibson b. Selby, is going very far at the moment.
1861 Crayke Census Francis Hudd (alias Francis Hood) Head and family, including Henry Hudd, son and Scholar, aged 12 born Craike, are living next door to a Thomas Gibson born Craike and Jane Gibson born Stillington and family.
So this might be how Henry Hood born Craike, has come into contact with Elizabeth Gibson born Selby.
However, in 1861 Elizabeth Gibson, aged 8, born Selby, is in the Census at Clifton, City York and her mother is Ann Gibson, Head, W, aged 32, Railway Gate Keeper, born Burn Yorkshire. So a separate Gibson family here, to the one in Crayke.
Regards Mark
Did you ever find more on this Ann Gibson
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Hello
In answer, I can't remember whether we traced Ann Gibson.
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Ballast Hills Nonconformist Dissenters Burial Ground, Newcastle
Regarding John Hood, the first search so far has only revealed John Hood a WATERMAN and we were looking for a John Hood, Mariner.
The NC Gravestone inscriptions were made in 1817 and it is not known how complete these were.
The Burial Place OF JOHN HOOD, & MARY his Wife. Here lies the Body of Beatrice Taylor, who died Jan'y 29th 1774, Aged 85 years.
HOOD Search of Ballast Hills, Newcastle - Non Conformist / Dissenters Burial Ground
So far the Hood search covers October 1811 to May 1836.
ROBERT HOOD, Innkeeper, of Windmill Hills, aged 57, buried 2 September 1812.
JANE HOOD, 14 January 1814, of Quay side, aged 2.
JOHN HOOD, 24 March 1815, of Sandgate, Waterman, aged 72.
ROBERT HOOD, 7 November 1815, of Quay side, aged 2 years 6m.
ISABELLA HOOD, of Quay side, 6 November 1817, aged 11d.
ROSANNA HOOD, of Pandon, 19 October 1828, aged 49.
JEMIMA HOOD, of Close, 9 June 1830, aged 10m.
SAMUEL HOOD, of Wind Mill Hills, 14 January 1833, aged 25.
STERLING HOOD, of Oakwellgate Lane GAT, 31 July 1834, aged 1.
BENJAMIN HOOD, of Wind Mill Hills, 3 November 1834, aged 24.
MARY HOOD, of Wind Mill Hills, 26 May 1836, aged 1m.
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HOOD BURIALS SO FAR - OCTOBER 1811 TO MAY 1836.
Mark
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Slightly away from the topic but knowing a Hood of yours was in South Africa at some point before WW1
Robert Hood (above) of Windmill Hills. His son was Peter H (surgeon in London) . Well Peter's grandson Claude Wharton Hood was in Johannesburg c1908 and died in Cape Town 1938.
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Ballast Hills, Newcastle upon Tyne, Dissenters Headstones cont.
The Burial Place OF JOHN HOOD, & MARY his Wife. Here lies the Body of Beatrice Taylor, who died Jan'y 29th 1774, Aged 85 years.
This stone was Errected by Eleanor, Wife of John Scott, in Memory of her first Husband, James Waterston, who departed this Life October the 12th 1754, Aged 35 years. Also of their son, George Waterston, who departed this Life on board the Isis, of the Royal Navy, Feb'ry the 17th 1781, Aged 35 years, whose remains lie, in the East Indies.
Engag'd for His Country and King he did die, ...
Here lies the Body of Eleanor, Wife of the said John Scott, who departed this Life January the 31st 1787, Aged 64 years. Likewise of their Children, Elizabeth, and Isabella Waterstons, who died in Infancy.
And of their Daughter, Margaret Renos[?], who departed this Life June the 20th 1784, Aged 29 years.
Also George Hood, second Husband to the said Eleanor, who departed this Life October the 30th 1773 Aged 46 years. Likewise of their Children, Joshua, Caleb, and Elizabeth, who died in Infancy.
Table stone with 6 pillars
The Burial Place of Robert and Mary Hood, of Newcastle upon Tyne. Mary, Wife of Robert Hood, departed this Life August 2d 1804: Aged 46 years.
Mary Hood his second Wife, died the 25th December 1809, Aged 28 Years.
Robert Hood, ob't 29th August, 1812; AEt. 57. *
The Burial Place of James, Isabella Hood, Baker. Four of their Children died Viz. Alex'r Young Aged 14 Months. Jane Aged 3 Years 5 Months. Annabella Aged 6 Months. Robert James Aged 2 Years & 4 Months.
Mark
* ROBERT HOOD, Innkeeper, of Windmill Hills, aged 57, buried 2 September 1812.
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Slightly away from the topic but knowing a Hood of yours was in South Africa at some point before WW1
Robert Hood (above) of Windmill Hills. His son was Peter H (surgeon in London) . Well Peter's grandson Claude Wharton Hood was in Johannesburg c1908 and died in Cape Town 1938.
Thanks Claire
I don't suppose you can get my two WW 1 Hoods:- living at the Claude Wharton HOOD South African or other residence, can you?
Mark
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The old Wesleyan Chapel at Burn near Selby maybe worth investigating one day. Near the Boy & Barrel Inn :D
John Hood death/burial 1798 Richmond ?
one day.
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I can't find any passenger list for Henry at all ( I have one electoral register for him in Australia with wife Jean)
John S Hood in the 1901 census was at home with his siblings and was a mechanical engineer by trade.
I think, I'm not certain but there may be two passenger lists for him to Africa. Both list him as an engineer, the last was in 1913.
The SAI was back in England by November 1915.
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RICHMOND burial
22 January 1798, John son of Ralph Hood
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Thanks dobfarm & Claire
That info about Wesleyan Chapel, Burn might be worth looking at, they've got some Registers tooked away for some of these places in the WYAS.
Regards Mark
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H G Hood a Clerk left for the Cape on 2 January 1904 from Southampton onboard the Galician.
The first record which could possibly be J S Hood an engineer is a record of him leaving 9 May 1903 from Southampton onboard the Saxon for Natal
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Incidently - there is another Hood family in Natal from Whittington Staffordshire. A George Henry Hood - his father was a George, and a brother Herbert ::))
He travelled to Africa frequently, he was a prison warden.
Have traced this family's earlier generations to Leicestershire.
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I keep coming back to George Hood & Eleanor Wetherstone 15 Oct 1756, All Saints, so I'm just going to throw this out there....
1756 George Hood m Eleanor Wetherstone
1759 Joshua s/o George Hood
1764 Joshua s/o George Hood
1766 Caleb s/o George Hood
1767 Elizabeth d/o George Hood
1769 James s/o George Hood, Cordwainer
1770 Trinity House offers reward to seamen joining the Navy (must they already to be seamen?)
1771 George Hood aboard HMS Orford & writes will
1774 George Hood's will proved in London. Sole executor is his wife, Eleanor
1775 Eleanor Hood, Widow, marries John Scott, Waterman
1779 Marriage of John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (daughter of Thomas Gibson, Newcastle, sister of Richard Gibson of Selby). Bondsman is John Scott, Waterman.
1792 Marriage in Hull of James Hood & Ann Phillips
Baptism Tynemouth:
1795 James s/o James & Ann Hood of North Shore, Mariner
1798 Mary Ann d/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner, native of All Saints by his wife Ann Phillips native of Hull
1800 Eleanor d/o James Hood & Ann Phillips – not in BTs
1802 George 2nd s/o James Hood of North Shore, Mariner Native of All Saints parish by his wife Ann Philips native of Hull.
My feeling is that this James Hood is a brother to John Hood, father of George Hood of Selby. George in Selby names one of his daughters Ellen (after his grandmother, Eleanor?) and another James (after his Uncle?).
Unfortunately I haven't traced the family with any certainty after the 1802 baptism, but this is a possibility:
1803 (25 Dec) Burial Hull, Eleanor Hood d/o Ann
1803 (26 Dec) Burial Hull, George Hood s/o Ann
Ballast Hills, Newcastle upon Tyne, Dissenters Headstones cont.
The Burial Place OF JOHN HOOD, & MARY his Wife. Here lies the Body of Beatrice Taylor, who died Jan'y 29th 1774, Aged 85 years.
This stone was Errected by Eleanor, Wife of John Scott, in Memory of her first Husband, James Waterston, who departed this Life October the 12th 1754, Aged 35 years. Also of their son, George Waterston, who departed this Life on board the Isis, of the Royal Navy, Feb'ry the 17th 1781, Aged 35 years, whose remains lie, in the East Indies.
Engag'd for His Country and King he did die, ...
Here lies the Body of Eleanor, Wife of the said John Scott, who departed this Life January the 31st 1787, Aged 64 years. Likewise of their Children, Elizabeth, and Isabella Waterstons, who died in Infancy.
And of their Daughter, Margaret Renos[?], who departed this Life June the 20th 1784, Aged 29 years.
Also George Hood, second Husband to the said Eleanor, who departed this Life October the 30th 1773 Aged 46 years. Likewise of their Children, Joshua, Caleb, and Elizabeth, who died in Infancy.
Table stone with 6 pillars
The Burial Place of Robert and Mary Hood, of Newcastle upon Tyne. Mary, Wife of Robert Hood, departed this Life August 2d 1804: Aged 46 years.
Mary Hood his second Wife, died the 25th December 1809, Aged 28 Years.
Robert Hood, ob't 29th August, 1812; AEt. 57. *
The Burial Place of James, Isabella Hood, Baker. Four of their Children died Viz. Alex'r Young Aged 14 Months. Jane Aged 3 Years 5 Months. Annabella Aged 6 Months. Robert James Aged 2 Years & 4 Months.
Mark
* ROBERT HOOD, Innkeeper, of Windmill Hills, aged 57, buried 2 September 1812.
Hi
Thank you Claire, never heard of a Prison Warden before.
According to the partial Hood burial search and the M.I.s at death, some of the above IN JOMOT's QUOTE have been buried in the dissenters cemetery.
The M.I.s also reveal at Newcastle, that there was also a "Postern Meeting".
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark
Postern Chapel: On the 1 January 1797 the most present Chapel was opened and was built on land given by the late Mr Robert Hood :)
Interesting reading matter
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/newcastle-historical-account/pp370-414#fnn31
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Apologies if gone over before, it's new to me. These Hoods are interesting
When Robert Hood married his first wife ( Mary Ryle) in 1786 he was a Brewer and 28 yrs of age.
A look into Mary Ryle has her father as Jonathon Ryle.
A 25 year old Jonathon Ryle married in 1787 to an Ann GIBSON
Wonder if he's a brother to Mary Ryle ? Wonder who this Ann Gibson is ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SJS-FPS?i=248&cc=1675690
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Hi
Thanks Claire for replies.
Claire, the two Army records make interesting reading, although the Army never always used full names.
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1889: This James Hood claims to be born Selby and recorded as nearly 25 [born about 1864].
Possibly James A Hood, birth registered Sunderland, 1863.
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1892: This James Hood was from Burton, Staffordshire, but joined at SUNDERLAND, aged 21 years.
Perhaps the Staffordshire Hoods we have been looking at, at Wyrley; Congreve near Penkridge and Clay Mills Stretton, at Burton on Trent, are linked up via Sunderland?
Mark
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There are quite a few army records for these Hoods in Burton upon Trent - just found a William H ( a cooper) born c1868
Convicted of breaking out of his barracks in 1892 ;D ;D
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Slightly away from the topic but knowing a Hood of yours was in South Africa at some point before WW1
Robert Hood (above) of Windmill Hills. His son was Peter H (surgeon in London) . Well Peter's grandson Claude Wharton Hood was in Johannesburg c1908 and died in Cape Town 1938.
Hi
Thanks Claire, but my Hoods were too well behaved (well on the surface) to get into any trouble, so no records there.
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The Mr J Hood, sailing to South Africa, in one of the columns, it is headed, that his Permanent Residence was a "British Possessions" country and not a Permanent Resident of England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland, which are in separate columns.
Mark
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Baptism
John Hood son of John Hood 12 December 1745
GATESHEAD, DURHAM, ENGLAND
Burial 31st Dec 1800
John Hood age 55 (birth 1745) a Shoemaker abode Blue Quarries entry Heyworth Chapelry
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Given Robert Hood of Windmill Hills was a NC - what do we have on this guy
I can see he has been mentioned before
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Given Robert Hood of Windmill Hills was a NC - what do we have on this guy
I can see he has been mentioned before
Hi
Claire, Robert Hood the Dissenting Minister came from Brampton. Newcastle was his last place and he died 1782 ...
Thread Title: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info ...
Page 3, Reply #18
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg6062622#msg6062622
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dobfarm, I had a feeling that the John Hoods (one being Anthony Hood's Brother) of Gateshead and then John Lionel Hood, were the Newcastle upon Tyne Hoastmen (or Brother of the Hoastman)?
This Thread: page 26, Reply #225 of 21 September 16, see the Yellow snippet images of the Admissions of the Hoastmen.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6059884#msg6059884
Mark
The Surman Index at The Queen Mary Centre for Religion and Literature in English - University of London, has Robert Hood, listed, as Born Cromarty 1749.
https://surman.english.qmul.ac.uk/main.php?personid=12790¶meter=surmanSurname&alpha=H
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Hi,
As I have a vested interest in Robert Hood of Windmill Hills, I have found out he had a sister Margaret who married in Ponteland 1781 ( married George Boyd) - I still can't find baptisms for Robert or Margaret
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Hi Mark,
Now you seem to be thinking G H of Selby d 1845 seems not come from Quakers religion, and 1841c says he was from Yorkshire, concentrating now on dissident options of nonconformist baptism in Yorkshire (Unknown chapels or remote house/cottage chapel register) seems your next option.
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Thanks for replies.
I am trying to discover, if there might be any HOOD links to John James, Solicitor of 11 Gray's Inn Place, (Richard Gibson's London Solicitor 1807 to circa 1810), mainly before 1812?
John James (apparently) Married Hester Combe? (some claim Caroline Combe). Who were the Wedding witnesses and when & where was their Wedding held please?
It would seem the Wife of John James, was called Hester, as their eldest daughter was called Hester ...
1845 Marriage
... to Hester, eldest dau. of John James, Esq., Secondary of London, of Brunswick Square and of Worthing, Sussex.
23 July 1852, Morning Chronicle
On the 21st inst. John James, Esq., of Worthing, Sussex, Secondary of the City of London, aged 68.
The Spectator, July 1852
On the 21st, in Artillery Place, Finsbury Square, John James, Esq. for twenty-one years Secondary of the City of London; in his 69th year.
His Son Edwin James went to school at Gray's Inn and John James address was Gray's Inn Place, so it would seem likely I have the correct John James, Solicitor, according to a Directory and the Dictionary of National Biography ...
James, (John) Edwin (1811-1882), barrister, was born in London on 20 November 1811, the eldest son of John James, solicitor and secondary of the City of London (d. 1852), and his wife, Hester (1791/2-1874), eldest daughter of Boyce Combe. He was educated at a private school. ...
John James, would have been born about 1784.
Also any HOOD link in his parentage please?
Regards Mark
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St Andrews Holborn by Licence 11th September 1810
John James bachelor of the parish of St John the Baptist and Hester Combe of St Holborn in the County of Middlesex spinster and minor by an with the consent of Boyce Combe - natural father.
Witnesses: Boyce Combe, Francis ? Lingard ? , Elizabeth M Parr, Louisa Combe, Henry Combe and May Combe
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St Andrews Holborn by Licence 11th September 1810
John James bachelor of the parish of St John the Baptist and Hester Combe of St Holborn in the County of Middlesex spinster and minor by an with the consent of Boyce Combe - natural father.
Witnesses: Boyce Combe, Francis ? Lingard ? , Elizabeth M Parr, Louisa Combe, Henry Combe and May Combe
Hi
Thank you Claire.
I've come across Lingard before and if the John James and Hester Combe 1810 marriage does say Lingard, I'm fairly certain I've seen Hood and Lingard linked.
When I asked if their marriage could be found, from the information I had on John James, Solicitor, I was thinking George Hood may have been tipped off by John James, Solicitor dealing with Gibson's bankruptcy, about Richard Gibson's Cooper business.
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EDITED:
JOHN JAMES HOOD LINGARD, Master in the Royal Navy, had lost a Royal Navy Court Martial 1820 and he was aggrieved.
Minutes of the proceedings of the court-martial held on Mr. John James Hood Lingard, master of His Majesty's Ship Brazen, on July 17th and 18th, 1820 at St. Helena: together with the correspondence, affidavits and counsels opinions relating thereto, &c.
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There was a John James Hood Lingard who some years later found himself in the Debtors Prison by September 1840 and later also trying to give an alias of Wood Lingard.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=751340.0
Regards Mark
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Regarding John James Hood Lingard, it seems John James may be forenames and his baptism is transcribed (by FS) as John James Wood Lingarde, St Mary St Marylebone Road, St Marylebone, London, 6 September 1792, Parents John Lingarde and Sarah.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lingard_of_Pentonville
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Hoods of Newcastle, Gateshead
1st Oct 1786 Gateshead, Baptism - Geo: Son of John Hood
Gateshead St Marys Baptism ... Geo: S. of John Hood
1787 Whitehead's Newcastle Directory, printed by T. Angus
Alphabetical List of the People in Trade, &c. in GATESHEAD, COUNTY OF DURHAM.
Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore
John Hood of Gateshead was the Publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory (later known as The Ship Inn), but for how long is unclear?
Brief Summary of Research on other Hoods in Gateshead and Newcastle
1787 Directory also lists:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.
1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant Saturday 7 October 1786
Robert Hood, from Newcastle, Begs Leave to acquaint his friends and the Public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND, lately occupied by Mr Ridley, and has fitted it up in a commodius manner for Gentlemen, Travellers and others; and hopes by a strict attention to merit the countenance of the public.
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.
Looks like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.
Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA
1799 Anthony Hood of Newcastle
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit, p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."
Newcastle Journal, 22 September 1832
In this town, in Pandon-bank, on the 13th inst., Mr Jas. Faddy, Jun. aged 30: and on the 19th inst. Mrs Hood, sister of the above.
Newcastle Journal, 4th October 1834
In Eldon-square, in this town, on the 29th ult. aged 75, Mrs Hood, relict of the late Anthony Hood, Esq. of Wallsend.
1842
April 1. Georgia of Newcastle an Indiaman, Captain Mitchell, ... was lost by fire.
The Georgia was the property of Messrs. Anthony Hood and Co., of Newcastle.
Found my Notes re ...
John Lionel Hood
Born Heworth, Durham 31st December 1799, Father Anthony Hood and Mother Elizabeth Snowdon.
Newcastle Courant, 4th January 1800
Birth. On Tuesday Mrs Hood, wife of Mr. Anthony Hood, of a son.
London Courier, 26th March 1828
Northumberland and Newcastle Volunteer Yeomanry Cavelry - John Lionel Hood, Gent. vice Loraine, promoted; ... [all dated March 5, 1828]
August 1829
John Lionel Hood married Mary Parker 17 August 1829 at St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian.
Durham County Advertiser 25 July 1829
On the 8th inst. John Lionel Hood, Esq. of Newcastle, to Mary, second daughter of Samuel Walker Parker, Esq. of Scots House.
1839 Bankruptcy Proceedings Issued - John Lionel Hood, Ropemaker of Middlesex
But it went to court ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uwRXAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=%22John+Lionel+Hood%22+of+%22Great+Grimsby%22&source=bl&ots=v1Lwx4VIp_&sig=eL__ybgyY8ErcvQdi-5BYB0ikII&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5gumv8dLOAhVsJsAKHRH8CJgQ6AEIKzAD#v=onepage&q=%22John%20Lionel%20Hood%22%20of%20%22Great%20Grimsby%22&f=false
20th November 1847
On Friday, the 5th inst., at St. John's Wood, London, aged 47, John Lionel Hood, Esq., formerly of Newcastle, and who filled the office of Mayor of that town ...
Thirsk 2nd May 1834
On Friday, the 2d inst., at the Golden Fleece Hotel, Thirsk, the Lady of J. Hood, Esq., of Newcastle of a daughter.-She died next day.
Kind regards, Mark
Comment & above exceeds 5,000 see next ...
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Hello
Looking at these Hoods of Newcastle and Windmill Hills, Gateshead. Some were dissenters.
Anthony Hood of Newcastle Esq., owned property at Gainford, on the River Tees, just downriver from Barnard Castle.
I see there are 7 returns for Hoods in the link, some at Gainford and also linked with a property called "Germany" ...
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11111?SearchType=Param&Variations=Y&Keywords=baptist&ImagesOnly=N&ItemID=169656
Earlier, John Hood of Gainford 1657 ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KvkGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=%22Hood+of+Gainford%22&source=bl&ots=UEZ14dQlD8&sig=NAZy5CEcyYssWs2E7yh1SMKG0JE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL9q-o1o7WAhUCI8AKHcnsCA4Q6AEIHTAA
Ref: D/Ed 10/1/58(I-II)
5 April 1827 (1) Anthony Hood of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, gent (2) John Walton Elliot of Gainford, Esq. Attested copy of a lease and release, dated 6/7 May 1783, by (1) to (2) of a messuage, garth, orchard and garden, and 5 adjoining closes called Garrends close otherwise the Little Close, East and West Bean Roods and East and West Stoney Flatt, all in Gainford Recites deeds of 2 May 1717 Consideration: £1400
(paper, 6 folios)
I wonder if there is anything else of interest in Gainford?
Mark
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1739
On page 8
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KvkGAAAAQAAJ&dq=%22Hood+of+Gainford%22&q=Hood
John Hood of Newcastle, apprentice to Mr Simpson Fitter, had Freehold property at Gainford, entitling him to vote in the Election.
Newcastle Hostmen
The same property at Gainford likely passed from John Hood to Anthony Hood, of Newcastle upon Tyne.
The yellow scans from the book confirm John Hood and Anthony Hood were Father and Son.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6059884#msg6059884
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Looking at Gainford, it is not far from Barnard Castle.
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I wonder if the Hoods in the Gainford area, were related to the Newcastle Hood Hostmen.
This George Hood in the 1817 PCC Will of William Hood looks to be too young and previously ruled out
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5783676#msg5783676
Mark
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Hello
Referring to Reply #565, previous page (an earlier quote about the Hoods of Newcastle & Gateshead).
The council archaeology quote suggests that they felt that Hood's Ropeworks might be on the South Shore [Gateshead side of the River Tyne].
The Anthony Hood, Fitter (in the quote), was also very much into coal mining with links to various collieries.
Later a J. B. Pearson had his Office in Newcastle, at the Quayside (32 Quay Side & 10 Albion Place) and searching for this chap (John Brooksbank Pearson, also a Solicitor apparently, dying 1863 with a Probate on gov.uk) with mines at Newcastle; Wallsend; Heworth; High Heworth; South Shields etc., found a link to other Pearsons with mines and a quarry. ...
Durham Mining Museum web page
http://www.dmm.org.uk/directry/names_pe.htm
With the 18th Century John Hood of Newcastle being a Hostman and Others (book online gives the names of the Newcastle Hostmen), they were involved in the market control of the coal and seem to be also like Shipping Agents for the coal mined in the Newcastle area.
We also discovered previously 4 or 5 John Hoods, all Mariners, (most giving their Parish residence as Scarborough when they married, 18th Century).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.0
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I have not made any definite link yet to my George Hood of Selby, but put the above for later reference.
I am also wondering if the John Hood, Father of George Hood baptised Gateshead 1st October 1786, is linked to these Newcastle Hoods.
The John Hood in The Ship pub at Gateshead might even be involved in the Hosting duties for a while, rather than John Hood the Mariner taking on a temporary role.
ADMIN 1760 (likely had a Son called John Hood?)
John HOOD, hoastman, of chapelry of All Saints in the town and county of Newcastle upon Tyne
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Arms of Hood
I'm thinking, that if there might be some link to my George Hood, then I could apply to the College of Arms, to see details of their tree, because the "Arms of Hood" were held by John Lionel Hood, Hostman, of Newcastle upon Tyne, Great Grimsby and London.
My feeling is, if you were controlling the price of coal, you would be wanting to control shipping as much as possible and some of those John Hood, Mariners, may be related to the Hostman, 'Keep it in the Family'.
Spencer of Scarborough (For reference Jane Spencer; Thomas Paxton Spencer)
Catherine Spencer, Wife, of Scarborough, 1782 PCC Will, there is a Chancery case Spencer v. Spencer 1800
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yXADAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=%22Catherine+Spencer%22+Will+1782&source=bl&ots=XKMMTRtbg9&sig=UEVKYK6Qa7mt-fI-MCBvKjQmrmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjenJiKl6DWAhVFAsAKHezkDuMQ6AEIJTAD
Regards Mark
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Hello
PEARSON (besides Cook) is also a surname of interest and there is a Thomas GIBSON PEARSON.
Any link to Richard Gibson of Selby, Cooper, born Newcastle upon Tyne - Father Thomas Gibson, please?
Thomas Gibson Pearson was born 1801 Shields? [Baptism at Monk Hesleden 8 November 1801], England, according to the link, too late for a descent path, but it would be interesting if his Gibson descent path went back to a Brother of Richard Gibson, or Brother of Richard Gibson's Father Thomas Gibson?
http://www.genealogiafamiliar.net/getperson.php?personID=I140927&tree=BVCZ
"SGD.51/5 22 February 1850
Letter from Thomas Gibson Pearson to Robert Thwaites and Isaac Pearson Love, trustees under the will of the writer's father, the late Isaac Pearson, stating that any sums owed to the writer under this will should be paid to his sons Thomas [Escolastico] Pearson and Isaac [Pedro] Pearson in equal portions until further notice. The letter was sent to Thomas E[scolastico] Pearson at the Brancepeth Coal Office, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.
Address: Buenos Ayres, [Argentina or Brazil].
Paper 1f."
http://reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ark/32150_s15138jd852.xml
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Richard Gibson was aged 26 when he married Elianor Wainwright in 1792 at Selby,Yorkshire. I checked the BTs online, but were missing online for the time around Richard Gibson's baptism.
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Thanks Mark
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Thomas Gibson Pearson was bpt. 8 Nov 1801 Monk Hesledon, Durham. Son of
Isaac PEARSON and Elizabeth GIBSON.
This couple married in Darlington 22 July 1798.
Now to try and trace them.
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(Im. 51, Monk Hesleden)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819
Thomas Gibson Pearson
Parish Register Monk Hesleden County Durham
Baptised 8 November 1801
Father: Isaac Pearson of Sheraton, Officer of Excise
Mother: Elisabeth Gibson, native of Darlington
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Monk Hesleden and Sheraton are North-west and West of Hartlepool
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First wife Elizabeth buried aged 38 on 8 April 1806 South Shields, St Hilda.
Isaac officer of Excise.
Remarriage of Isaac to Isabella Wanlass 8 June 1807 at Christ Church Tynemouth
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First wife Elizabeth buried aged 38 on 8 April 1806 South Shields, St Hilda.
Isaac officer of Excise.
Remarriage of Isaac to Isabella Wanlass 8 June 1807 at Christ Church Tynemouth
Thanks Claire
Good when each piece ties together
(Im. 328)
Darlington St Cuthbert, Marriages B.T.
22 July 1798
Isaac Pearson of the Parish of Sadberge, Officer in the Excise, and
Elizabeth Gibson of the same Parish, Spinster, were married by Banns
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There are two baptisms in Darlington. One I feel a little to early, the other a little later
Elizabeth Gibson Bapt. 1 May 1765 father Joseph, a farmer of potatoe House.
Elizabeth Gibson Bapt. 27 Feb 1770 father Thomas a cabinetmaker
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Hi Claire
Thank you.
The wording of the 1798 marriage seems to suggest at the time of the Marriage Elizabeth Gibson was from Sadberge, per image extract above, (outside of Darlington on the road to Stockton on Tees).
But when her Son, Thomas Gibson Pearson was born, it says she was a Native of Darlington.
Mark
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Hello
Thank you Claire.
I was misled a bit, by that internet link which suggested Thomas Gibson Pearson was born Shields 1801.
But he was not baptised at Shields at all, according to investigation and B.T. copies of Monk Hesleden Parish (previous page).
Mark
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I can't see a marriage of an Elizabeth Jackson to a John Hood.
It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.
Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.
Hi Claire,
James Cockin & Mary Turr, Thorne, 2 August 1791, by Banns,
Its a very long shot, but thinking 1812 was George's first appearance in Selby, little known about him to 1815 when he married Sarah Russel with Witness James Cockin and seems the earliest surname to be linked to George. There has been some searches done on Cockin surname but if James Cockin,s wife was ? Mary Turr, the link to George's marriage 1815 could be from the Turr surname or George could be a relative of Mary Turr.
BENTLEY AND COCKIN FAMILY RECORDS
Comprising: records relating to Cockin family and Bentley, including miscellaneous photographs, memoranda and papers
DZMD/423 Doncaster Archives
...
DZMZ/45 Doncaster archives
DONCASTER, BALBY, BURGHWALLIS AND THORNE NON-PAROCHIAL REGISTERS, 1761-1837
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Good Morning
I have found and tried to get a copy of the Will of Thomas HOOD BENTLEY, held in the Hong Kong University Special Collections.
The University Special Collections have responded to me in the UK and the Will is part of their Collections protected by Hong Kong Copyright Law. However, it seems one could see the Will, under the provisions of the Hong Kong 'self service' rules by actually visiting Hong Kong in person.
Mark
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It would appear Richard Gibson is paying land tax in Burton Salmon & Wistow from 1782 to 1799 on various properties of land
Properties owners Mr Scott, Mr Robinson and his own property under Richard Gibson
Then Richard Gibson Appears in Selby 1800 in property of Lord Petre to 1811.
1812 George Hood
Hello
Please could someone double check if it says RICHARD GIBSON or GILSON, at Burton Salmon 1799 and several years before, in the Land Tax images?
Leeds Intelligencer, 13th & 20th May 1799
BURTON - SALMON.
To be SOLD by AUCTION,
At the House of Mr Jenkinson, the Fox Inn, at Brotherton,
A Desirable FREEHOLD ESTATE, situate at Burton Salmon,
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The Premises are occupied by Mr Richard Gilson, the Owner,
who will shew the same ; and of which further particulars may be had.
Both adverts say Richard GILSON.
Could be a 1799 newspaper typesetting error? But worth a double check in the Land Tax images 1799 and several years before, please?
Thanks Mark
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Hi
The entries definitely say GIBSON. He owns/occupies land from 1782. I think if this is your Richard Gibson he would only be 16 years old in 1782, I would have thought a bit young to be owning property.
In the later Land Tax records for Selby it seems Richard Gibson is paying Ld Petre for occupying two properties ( one in Brayton township) - possibly two R Gibsons in the area ?
Claire
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The entries definitely say GIBSON. He owns/occupies land from 1782. I think if this is your Richard Gibson he would only be 16 years old in 1782, I would have thought a bit young to be owning property.
Hi
Thanks Claire. That puts me in Quandary, if it is unlikely to be the Richard Gibson of interest.
Ordering a property Registration unlikely to help, if wrong Gibson.
Mark
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Regarding Richard GILSON of Burton Salmon, 1799. The Land Tax document of Burton Salmon says Richard GILSON in 1799, (not Richard GIBSON).
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In B 5 Office of the Commissioners of Bankrupts and Court of Bankruptcy: Bankruptcy Enrolment Books 1807 (but no index til 1825, which is in B 8 after 1825).
B 7 Office of the Commissioners of Bankrupts, ... Minute Book 28 April 1807 - 29 April 1808, Note: Indexed
TNA guide says there may be a "minimal" amount of additional information, than that published in the L.G.
Hello
You are not going to believe this:- ???
But the Minute Volume in the B 7 series (TNA) containing any possibility of a Minute relating to the March/April 1810 'Certificate of Conformity' issued for Richard Gibson, late of Selby, Cooper, seems to be MISSING?
The Bankruptcy Minute Volumes, also known as Minute Orders in Bankruptcy
B 7/20 commences 13th April 1807 and ends April 1808 (dates in the volumes, used)
B 7/21 commences 16th August 1811 and ends 13th November 1812.
B 7/21 "Minute Orders in Bankruptcy 16 August 1811 and Ending 13 November 1812" also marked "Lord Ch'r" on the end does contain a Gibson on page 152 in the index, but I need the Minute Orders March / April 1810.
page 152
Gibson
Mr Cullen for Pet.
S. Romilly for Bkt Let Cert'e pass
Liberty to call
a meeting at
Expense of Pet.
[Looking at others Pet. is likely the Petitioner and Bkt. is Bankrupt]
No date, but this "Gibson" is probably not the Richard Gibson of interest, as it is in 1811 to 1812 Volume and I need the 1810 Minute volume.
Mark
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Looks like S. Romilly mentioned (last post) might be the senior figure in the Bankruptcy Commissioners and involved in the Law making process ...
Sir S. Romilly's Act, by which it was provided that “the commission of bankrupt and the proceedings of the commissioners under the same, shall be evidence to be received” of the debt, trading ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sDdfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA370&lpg=PA370&dq=%22S.+Romilly%22+bankruptcy+commissioner&source=bl&ots=2Mj_xTQ_p0&sig=xtUvn7ui635ORgLzlVZ1nawcyrk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwid192K1eHYAhXIC8AKHZDXAtgQ6AEwAHoECBMQAQ
1810
A letter to Sir S. Romilly on the revision of the Bankrupt Law
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QTdfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=%22A+letter+to%22+%22Sir+S.+Romilly%22&source=bl&ots=kj_5zPJuAY&sig=dBcV0YGoXK1WnOlOW0_tZMP9R0A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJrNCV2uHYAhWiD8AKHcCkDmsQ6AEwAXoECBMQAQ
Looks like Mr Cullen was involved in the Bankruptcy process ...
I have " known (says Mr. Cullen) the commissioners decline '' to discharge a bankrupt, even where property was " out of the question, and the assignees and creditors " had disclaimed all further concern, merely ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bJEDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=%22Mr+Cullen%22+bankruptcy+commissioners&source=bl&ots=emKDlKe-dm&sig=kL64uEy1Oh0wQuF9d79cEfYNrEs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMnLGb5-HYAhVDFMAKHfEHBSsQ6AEwBnoECAoQAQ
Sir Samuel Romilly and Mr. Cullen for the Petitioner, Mr. Leach, Mr. Montague, and Mr. Rose, for the Assignees . The Lord Chancellor Overruled the Objection ; the Lessor may, perhaps, waive the Forfeiture, and ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_m0DAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA432&lpg=PA432&dq=%22Mr+Cullen+for+the+Petitioner%22&source=bl&ots=MkAtegGNFV&sig=UeqeC9QSRwZ6Knke0Y3_H_Hhhro&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiv0KaS6eHYAhXJLcAKHYMuAs8Q6AEwAHoECAEQAQ
Mark
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Searching for anything on Gibson of Newcastle, as it might help to work out who is who and be useful later.
On an altar-tomb-stone over the family vault:
The burial-place of Thomas and Isabella Gibson of Harton, to whose much respected memory this tomb was erected by their son, Henry Gibson, of Newcastle upon Tyne, Surgeon, 1762.
Also the burial-place of the family of Frederick Horn, of Newcastle on Tyne [grandson of the above Thomas and Isabella Gibson]. Thomasine, his beloved wife, died February the 14th, 1794, aged 31 years, and her remains were interred under this stone. Frederick Horn, surgeon, here interred, died the 6th of August 1808, aged 50 years. Frederick, his son, died Feb. 26, 1816, aged 23 years. Henry Gibson, his son, died Sept. 12, 1816, aged 28 years. Thomasine, his daughter, died Jan. 22, 1817, aged 27 years.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/antiquities-durham/vol2/pp66-93
Mark
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It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.
Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=106949.msg6431373#msg6431373
From my jotted notes (not detailed) Rosamund married Thomas Abbott of Loders, Dorsetshire & ended up in Guernsey. Thomas was a master mariner & Rosamund became a Boarding House Keeper.
Hello Jomot, Claire and All
7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.
Interesting that Loders is near Bridport.
My late Grandparents were acquainted with Thomas Selifant and Alice ABBOTT who married in the District of Beauminster in 1907. Some of them were Baptists and my Grandfather was a Baptist. Beauminster Registration District included Bridport & Powerstock, which I recognise as being close to Loders.
I wonder if Alice ABBOTT who married in 1907 was related to Thomas ABBOTT of Loders, who married Rosamund COOK?
Mark
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7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.
His Master's Certificate of Service dated 21 May 1867 & issued at Guernsey says he was born Loders in 1807 and that he had been 41 years in the British Merchant Service. Another, dated 27 Dec 1850 and also issued in Guernsey gives his full DoB as 4 Jun 1807 and 26 years in the service.
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7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.
His Master's Certificate of Service dated 21 May 1867 & issued at Guernsey says he was born Loders in 1807 and that he had been 41 years in the British Merchant Service. Another, dated 27 Dec 1850 and also issued in Guernsey gives his full DoB as 4 Jun 1807 and 26 years in the service.
Thank you Jomot
Working backward on the Abbotts, from Thomas SELIFANT and Alice SELIFANT [nee Alice ABBOTT] in 1911, gives, so far:-
John ABBOTT and Sarah WARD married 13 August 1826 / 4 September 1826 Allington / Bridport.
My jottings:-
1911 Census
Thomas SELIFANT, Head, Marr, 32 (born abt 1879), Postman, Shoe & Boot Repairer, born Ashwater, Devonshire.
Alice SELIFANT [nee ABBOTT], Wife, Marr, 27 (born about 1884), Birthplace Lyme Regis, Dorset [Registration Dist. Axminster].
1891 Census - Lyme. Axminster Reg'n District
William ABBOTT, 39 (born abt 1852), Mason, Born Dorset.
Lydia ABBOTT, Wife, 37 (born abt 1854), Born Dorset. [nee Lydia Gale]
Laura ABBOTT, 13 (born abt 1878), Born Dorset.
Walter ABBOTT, 11 (born abt 1880) Born Dorset.
Annie ABBOTT, 9, Born Dorset.
Alice ABBOTT, 7 (born abt 1884), Born Lyme, Dorset.
William R. ABBOTT, 3, Born Dorset.
Harry G. ABBOTT, 0, Born Dorset. [Harry Gale Abbott born 1890]
1881 Census - Lyme Regis, Dorset. Axminster Reg'n District
William ABBOTT, Head, Marr, 28 (born abt 1853), Mason, Birthplace Bridport, Dorset.
Lydia ABBOTT, Wife, Marr, 26, Born Netherbury, Dorset.
Laura ABBOTT, Daughter, 3, Born Lyme Regis, Dorset.
Walter ABBOTT, Son, 1, Born Lyme Regis, Dorset.
1861 Census - Allington. Reg'n District Bridport
James ABBOTT, Head, Marr, 30 (born abt 1831), Born Allington, Dorset.
Jane ABBOTT, Wife, Marr, 30 (born abt 1831), Born Allington, Dorset. NEE PAYNE.
William ABBOTT, Son, Un, 9 (born abt 1852), Born Allington, Dorset.
Ellen ABBOTT, Dau, Un, 7 (born abt 1853), Born Allington, Dorset.
Susan ABBOTT, Dau, Un, 4 (born abt 1857), Born Allington, Dorset.
George ABBOTT, Son, Un, 2 (born abt 1859).
James ABBOTT & Jane PAYNE married District of Bridport, 1851
James ABBOTT Bapt 6th July 1831 Allington, Dorset, parents John ABBOTT & Sarah.
1841 Census - Allington
John ABBOTT, 36-40, Born Dorset.
Sarah ABBOTT, 32-36, Born Dorset.
Willm ABBOTT, 14, Born Dorset.
George ABBOTT, 12, Born Dorset.
James ABBOTT, 10, Born Dorset.
John ABBOTT, 7, Born Dorset.
Joseph ABBOTT, 5, Born Dorset.
Benjamin ABBOTT, 3, Born Dorset. [Born in the Reg'n District of Bridport, Mar Qtr 1838 Mother WARD.]
Ann ABBOTT, 1, Born Dorset.
John ABBOTT and Sarah WARD married 13 August 1826 / 4 September 1826 Allington / Bridport.
1. Can't see any ancestral link yet, from Thomas Selifant & Alice Abbott 1907 marriage (known by my Grandparents) back to Thomas ABBOTT of Loders, Dorsetshire, who married Rosamund COOK (Morpeth, Northumberland) in January 1837 ?
2. My Great Grandmother's side was *Samuel Abbott, County Court Bailiff who married Charlotte Foulds 1882, District of Kettering, but can't see any link there either to Alice ABBOTT born Lyme Regis, Dorset 1884 who married Thomas Selifant (known to my Grandparents)?
* ADDED: My ancestor Samuel ABBOTT, County Court Bailiff, (Widow Charlotte), died 1st December 1886 at Kettering, aged 25.
He had married 1882 and died before appearing in the next Census with their children, so I don't have a Birthplace.
Mark
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Hello
Regarding Samuel Abbott who died December 1st 1886, aged 25, at Kettering [County Court Bailiff when he died].
The Grave Memorial confirms his:-
Father as George ABBOTT dying 28th June 1885, aged 64 years.
Mother as Eliza, Wife of the Above [George ABBOTT] who died 16th April 1901, aged 75 years.
Eliza was nee Eliza PATRICK.
George ABBOTT appears to have been born Finedon.
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I cannot see any link yet of my Kettering ABBOTTs, to the Thomas ABBOTT at Loders or ABBOTT of Bridport / Allington, Dorset.
If there is no link, then the Thomas Selifant who married Alice ABBOTT in 1907, known by my Grandfather must be a surname coincidence.
Mark
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It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.
Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=106949.msg6431373#msg6431373
From my jotted notes (not detailed) Rosamund married Thomas Abbott of Loders, Dorsetshire & ended up in Guernsey. Thomas was a master mariner & Rosamund became a Boarding House Keeper.
Hello Jomot, Claire and All
7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.
Interesting that Loders is near Bridport.
My late Grandparents were acquainted with Thomas Selifant and Alice ABBOTT who married in the District of Beaminster in 1907. Some of them were Baptists and my Grandfather was a Baptist. Beaminster Registration District included Bridport & Powerstock, which I recognise as being close to Loders.
I wonder if Alice ABBOTT who married in 1907 was related to Thomas ABBOTT of Loders, who married Rosamund COOK?
Mark
Hello All
Jomot & Claire you beauties!
I've been poking about on Family Search / GRO and found this!
1851 - St Peters Port, Guernsey HO 107 2530/32 page 24
Rosamond ABBOTT, Head, Marr, 43, Master Mariner's Wife, Born NORTH SHIELDS. ;D
William ABBOTT, Son, 11, Scholar, Born BRIDPORT, DORSET. :D
Elizabeth ABBOTT, Dau, 4, Born Channel Islands.
The only Birth circa 1839 -/+ 2 years, on England & Wales GRO gov.uk for a male ABBOTT with Mother's Maiden Surname COOK was JOHN ABBOTT in the District of Tendring.
However ...
Found a William John ABBOTT, Baptised, 2nd August 1839 AT BRIDPORT, DORSET. ;D
Father: THOMAS ABBOTT. :D
Mother: ROSAMOND. :D
So there is a connection with Thomas & Rosamond ABBOTT to BRIDPORT, DORSET, they have had a Son baptised BRIDPORT.
Rosamond ABBOTT, nee Rosamond COOK 3rd Daughter of William COOK of North Shields Mar'r Native of Lowestoft by his Wife Elizabeth HOOD Native of All Saints, baptised 1807. Marriage 24th January 1804.
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My Grandparents HOOD (Baptist & Methodist) were acquainted with Alice ABBOTT and SELIFANT who married 1907. Apparently they married at the Independent Chapel, Beaminster.
https://surname-society.org/william-sillifant/
Alice Abbott was also linked to Abbott of Bridport and Allington near to Bridport (Reply #587).
I am now wondering if my earlier HOODs had known the ABBOTTS in the Bridport area for some time, OR if it was because Selifant's and Abbott's child became a Baptist Deaconess (same Religion as my Grandfather - Baptist).
Thank you, Mark
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Baptism
John Hood son of John Hood 12 December 1745
GATESHEAD, DURHAM, ENGLAND
Burial 31st Dec 1800
John Hood age 55 (birth 1745) a Shoemaker abode Blue Quarries entry Heyworth Chapelry
Hello
Thanks dobfarm, the map attached on your quote, shows Heworth, Durham was adjoining Gateshead.
I've been looking for the Gateshead John Hood, Shoemaker today.
Because those Gibsons are Shoemakers living with and married into the Hoods at Ropery Lane, Sunderland (1841) and 50 Silver Street, Sunderland (1851) & James Hood & Mary Hood, 50 Silver Street (1861) Sunderland, both addresses South of the River Wear.
James Hood of 50 Silver Street, Sunderland was a Seaman 1851 aged 64 and a Mariner aged 68 in the 1861 Census.
(Note in 1851 Sunderland Census the enumerator has written them as Wood).
1851 Sunderland Census & GRO Index - Thomas Hood, aged 26, Shoe Maker, (likely the one late of Ropery Lane 1841 aged 16, Shoem. app.) has married a Jane Fairbairn who was born Scotland, looking at their childrens names and births.
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Seems a John Hood appears and disappears in the Gateshead Land Tax.
Q/D/L 2. Gateshead 1789
Property of Mrs. CLARK; occupied by John (Mr.) HOOD
Next a John Hood appears in Monkwearmouth Shore 1813 Land Tax.
17 April 1808
According to the actual Marriage Alleg/Bond (indexed as John Wood), for John Hood, Widower, aged 21, of Monkwearmouth, the young John Hood, Shoemaker, was intending to marry Elizabeth Joyce, aged 21, Widow.
August 1851
A report of an Inquest for John Hood, Shoemaker, aged 45 years, held Sunderland. Another newspaper says he was found near the Low Quay, River Wear.
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The James Hood 1865 Death Certificate District of Sunderland, was ordered a week ago. I just hope it might establish a link with James Hood of Selby, somehow (I should be so lucky)! But his wife was probably still alive and I suspect she will be the informant.
Mark
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Baptism
John Hood son of John Hood 12 December 1745
GATESHEAD, DURHAM, ENGLAND
Burial 31st Dec 1800
John Hood age 55 (birth 1745) a Shoemaker abode Blue Quarries entry Heyworth Chapelry
Hello
Thanks dobfarm, the map attached on your quote, shows Heworth, Durham was adjoining Gateshead.
I've been looking for the Gateshead John Hood, Shoemaker today.
Because those Gibsons are Shoemakers living with and married into the Hoods at Ropery Lane, Sunderland (1841) and 50 Silver Street, Sunderland (1851) & James Hood & Mary Hood, 50 Silver Street (1861) Sunderland, both addresses South of the River Wear.
James Hood of 50 Silver Street, Sunderland was a Seaman 1851 aged 64 and a Mariner aged 68 in the 1861 Census.
(Note in 1851 Sunderland Census the enumerator has written them as Wood).
1851 Sunderland Census & GRO Index - Thomas Hood, aged 26, Shoe Maker, (likely the one late of Ropery Lane 1841 aged 16, Shoem. app.) has married a Jane Fairbairn who was born Scotland, looking at their childrens names and births.
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Seems a John Hood appears and disappears in the Gateshead Land Tax.
Q/D/L 2. Gateshead 1789
Property of Mrs. CLARK; occupied by John (Mr.) HOOD
Next a John Hood appears in Monkwearmouth Shore 1813 Land Tax.
17 April 1808
According to the actual Marriage Alleg/Bond (indexed as John Wood), for John Hood, Widower, aged 21, of Monkwearmouth, the young John Hood, Shoemaker, was intending to marry Elizabeth Joyce, aged 21, Widow.
August 1851
A report of an Inquest for John Hood, Shoemaker, aged 45 years, held Sunderland. Another newspaper says he was found near the Low Quay, River Wear.
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The James Hood 1865 Death Certificate District of Sunderland, was ordered a week ago. I just hope it might establish a link with James Hood of Selby, somehow (I should be so lucky)! But his wife was probably still alive and I suspect she will be the informant.
Mark
I'll make this my last thoughts on George Hood's roots. :) (maybe some other members can make their views known or see something thats been missed by us. ???)
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The fact that your George Hood was a Cooper, Brewer and Tanner, (wife a Straw Hat maker business) businessman or self made business builder with no connection in his working life to the sea or maritime (maybe only as a cooper - being vaguely as barrels were used on ships)
Richard Gibson son of a man from Tyneside the bankrupted cooper Wren lane Selby was George's real first known connection to Selby.
Tyneside
Only unaccountable - a definite George Hood baptism son of John Hood in Gateshead 1786 (with unknown/untraceable future life, marriage or his death history of this George Hood that does matches your exact date of birth/baptism search parameters of your George Hood approx. 1784 to 1788)
Now a John Hood in the Gateshead land tax 1789
Its very positive info data dates, but vague as linking - yet shows some promise to research further ???.
Possible outside chance as trade- shoemakers/cordwainers and tanners worked with leather
Skilled traders in small businesses in close proximity to each other, to a young lad of a trader like a shoemaker as he grows up could lead to him picking up unapprenticed multi trade skills & knowledge in business background.(Gibson's bankrupted [or Gibson's customers goodwill] business) (which seems to sum up George's working life in Selby in later married life ??? or was the running a business knowledge gained from the straw hat maker -George's wife Sarah Russel & her business connections in Selby or both parties had these self taught management skills to run existing businesses with skilled labour as staff workforce )
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George's son James Hood in the North East in census
Good luck ! in your quest!
Dobby
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Quote from your post
"Seems a John Hood appears and disappears in the Gateshead Land Tax.
Q/D/L 2. Gateshead 1789
Property of Mrs. CLARK; occupied by John (Mr.) HOOD"
(Assume above Mrs Clark could be a widow ??? being named on the land tax)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTG3-F62?i=143&wc=SDFL-7M9%3A1310048468%3Fcc%3D2365059&cc=2365059
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg6028821#msg6028821
Reply # 267
extract: - From William Hood's Will/probate 1788 (Shields -Tynemouth)
" to be paid and amongst, my niece Margaret Clark widow of the John Clark late of Bishopwearmouth in the said county cordwainer-deceased " (Leather worker)
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The James Hood 1865 Death Certificate District of Sunderland, was ordered a week ago. I just hope it might establish a link with James Hood of Selby, somehow (I should be so lucky)! But his wife was probably still alive and I suspect she will be the informant.
Mark
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm. My word you have been busy looking at those wills - Thank you.
The James Hood Death Certificate has arrived and one of his Gibson relations was present:-
26th August 1865 at 7 Woodbine Street, Sunderland, James Hood, aged 75 years, Seaman Merchant Service, Natural Decay Certified, Mary Jane Gibson Present at the death 7 Woodbine Street Sunderland, registered 28th August 1865.
I can't make any link to James Hood of Selby, who might be back in Selby for the Birth of their next child.
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Been looking at the 1787 Gateshead Directory for John Hood, Publican of the Ship, South Shore.
Also for the earliest newspaper adverts I can find for the two Public Houses, South Shore, Gateshead:-
i) one in 1820 was under the Trinity Brewery, Quayside, Newcastle and
ii) in 1822 the other Public House was linked to the High Brewery, North Shields & Mr G. T. Richardson of the Three Indian Kings, Quayside, Newcastle.
(Newcastle & Gateshead Directory 1827
Harle William, & Co. rope makers, 24, Broad chare ; ropery, Mount Greenwich, S. Shore, G.
Harle James, rope maker ; h. South shore, G.)
(Pigot's 1828-9
Tyne Glass Works, Salt Meadows, Gateshead.)
Comparing this Gateshead Land Tax 1789 & 1811 it seems A. Hood Esq., now has the Public House, of John Hood, Publican of the, Ship South Shore, Gateshead in the 1787 Directory.
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The Ropery, South Shore, was under the Firm of Stoddart and Hood up to June 1797, when it came under Anthony Hood and Co. (see next post).
Gateshead & Other Places Land Tax Returns
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11111?SearchType=Param&Variations=Y&Keywords=baptist&ImagesOnly=N&ItemID=910845
John Hood of Gateshead, Publican, looks to be linked to A. Hood Esq?
If that was my George Hood's baptism at Baptism 1st October 1786 it would certainly explain why he could possibly buy a Coopers business and diversify into Brewing.
Mark
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The premises of John (Mr) Hood (1789) seem to have later reference to those of A. (Esq) Hood in the 1811 Gateshead Land Tax.
Where it says reps (representatives) of A. Hood Esq., in the 1811 Gateshead Land Tax (last post), it was possibly this chap ...
Hull Advertiser, 4th August 1810
On Tuesday fe'nnight, aged 52 Anthony Hood Esq. one of the Aldermen and deputy Lieutenants of the town and county of Newcastle, and Lieut. Col. of the Loyal Newcastle Associated Volunteer Infantry.
Vessels
A couple of vessels appear in adverts linked to Anthony Hood:-
the Astrea (1782) Mr John Renwick, Master. Anthony Hood and Lionel Robson, Newcastle and
the Rochester (1791) Anthony Hood, Newcastle.
Ropery of Stoddart and Hood, South Shore, June 1797
The Ropery of Stoddart and Hood, will in future be carried on under that of Anthony Hood and Co.
Mark
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Baptism
John Hood son of John Hood 12 December 1745
GATESHEAD, DURHAM, ENGLAND
Burial 31st Dec 1800
John Hood age 55 (birth 1745) a Shoemaker abode Blue Quarries entry Heyworth Chapelry
There is a map on this original post showing Heworth was next to Gateshead.
Hello
If that John Hood, Shoemaker, buried Gateshead December 1800 was George Hood's Dad in the 1st October 1786 Gateshead Baptism.
Another relative might move to Gateshead to keep an eye on young George Hood (assuming George Hood hadn't died) and to deal with house, shoe business and move belongings.
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I see a Jabez Hood was baptised Gateshead in 1799 to a Robert Hood and Mary. (The only other was a Sarah Hood baptised to Francis Hood 1792). A nuisance when only the Fathers were given at Baptism.
There is a Robert Hood with premises called the Sun moving from the Sandhill to the Beehive, Close, Newcastle 1801 (newspaper). According to another newspaper Robert Hood dies 1812 and then a challenge in the Court of Chancery. An Edward Hammond was appointed in 1816 and E. Hammond was occupying the Beehive premises in 1817 when a theft occurred there. (See also, Hammond v. Hood report in the Tyne Mercury newspaper 13th March 1827)
Oh I don't know now about the above suggestion in this post, it looks like Jabez Hood was linked to Stoddart in the case.
Stoddart and Anthony Hood mentioned above, so perhaps Robert Hood is related, or is not related to John Hood, Shoemaker buried Gateshead December 1800?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=Jabez%20Hood&_dss=range&_sd=1799&_ed=1860&_ro=any&_st=adv
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There might be two separate Hood families at Gateshead?
Heworth was next to Gateshead, going off to check Hoods there.
Mark
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Baptism
John Hood son of John Hood 12 December 1745
GATESHEAD, DURHAM, ENGLAND
Burial 31st Dec 1800
John Hood age 55 (birth 1745) a Shoemaker abode Blue Quarries entry Heyworth Chapelry
There is a map on this original post showing Heworth was next to Gateshead.
Hello
If that John Hood, Shoemaker, buried Gateshead December 1800 was George Hood's Dad in the 1st October 1786 Gateshead Baptism.
Another relative might move to Gateshead to keep an eye on young George Hood (assuming George Hood hadn't died) and to deal with house, shoe business and move belongings.
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I see a Jabez Hood was baptised Gateshead in 1799 to a Robert Hood and Mary. (The only other was a Sarah Hood baptised to Francis Hood 1792). A nuisance when only the Fathers were given at Baptism.
There is a Robert Hood with premises called the Sun moving from the Sandhill to the Beehive, Close, Newcastle 1801 (newspaper). According to another newspaper Robert Hood dies 1812 and then a challenge in the Court of Chancery. An Edward Hammond was appointed in 1816 and E. Hammond was occupying the Beehive premises in 1817 when a theft occurred there. (See also, Hammond v. Hood report in the Tyne Mercury newspaper 13th March 1827)
Oh I don't know now about the above suggestion in this post, it looks like Jabez Hood was linked to Stoddart in the case.
Stoddart and Anthony Hood mentioned above, so perhaps Robert Hood is related, or is not related to John Hood, Shoemaker buried Gateshead December 1800?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=Jabez%20Hood&_dss=range&_sd=1799&_ed=1860&_ro=any&_st=adv
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There might be two separate Hood families at Gateshead?
Heworth was next to Gateshead, going off to check Hoods there.
Mark
Hi Mark,
What is there as hard fact!
George Hood Selby himself as a trade had no connection to the sea in his working life'
Gateshead has a father and son baptisms and a fathers death age to link to his baptism
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A possible father John Hood bapt 1744 Gateshead
A George Hood baptism son of John hood 1786 Gateshead (after life unaccounted in researching this George)
A land tax entry 1789 of a John Hood in Gateshead
A death 1800 of John Hood shoemaker (worked with leather) aged 55 = born 1745 ish
George Hood of Selby a tanner, brewer & cooper as business trades (worked with leather)
Richard Gibson (who's father was from Tyneside) was advertising in national newspapers for a skilled Cooper 1800 ( Question ? - did Gibson take on an apprentice instead.)
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Thank you dobfarm
The Ale-house Licences and local Muster Rolls of vessels (Tyne & Wear Archive Catalogue) don't go back to the 18th Century.
Those surviving Muster Rolls seen at TNA covering Shields and Northern Ports don't mention a John Hood in 1779 to 1782, nor John Hood, Master of the Mary.
Can't find John Hood of the Ship or any Gateshead Public House, or John Hood the Shoemaker, nor John Hood, Mariner, of Newcastle / North Shields, in the newspaper, either.
The only John Hood, Mariner, was in November 1782, when a John Hood, brought the Mary of Inverness, to Newcastle to be sold (newspaper).
Thank you, Mark
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Its only a possibility but the John Hood the shoemaker and John Hood the Innkeeper at the ship inn are one of the same John Hood. It would explain the brewing and leather trades of George Hood of Selby and bearing in mind George's first appearance in Selby was at Gibson's cooper trade Wren Lane Selby
Richard Gibson went bankrupted 1807 -George Hood would be 21 years old (full age - ish) in 1807 coming out of an apprenticeship age (pointers Gibson could have trained George as a cooper from 1800 after John Hood the shoemaker died in 1800)
(Heworth -not to mix up with Hedworth but both locations are very close to each other)
St Alban's church graveyard looks intact at Heworth (Windy nook & Blue Quarries)
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9424792,-1.5763011,3a,47.7y,274.22h,89.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBIXDaQRy1Dk4T_zQ7SsOSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm. I totally agree that some Publicans had second occupations or jobs.
This is the information, it still doesn't make sense with FindMyPast ??
Burials, South Shields District
Location: Jarrow
Church: St. Paul
Denomination: Anglican
31 Dec 1800 John Hood, of Blue Quarries, age: 55, died 29 Dec, shoemaker, buried at Heworth
St Albans graveyard wasn't open in 1800 ??
How can Heworth be Jarrow ??
Mark
Family Search says ...
"Further transcripts for Heworth St Mary can be found in the Jarrow transcripts under DDR/EA/ PBT/2/152 for June 1768- March 1809."
"Heworth was a chapelry in Jarrow Parish, but is now a parish in its own right."
Still can't find this John Hood burial on FindMyPast ??? ???
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Hello
I have managed to download a BT image (FS) and the:-
Heworth, John Hood of Blue Quarries, Shoemaker, aged 55 burial in December 1800, was in the Parish of Jarrow, Chapelry of Heworth.
Under Heworth St Mary.
Anyone have the M.I. of the Headstones, please?
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Going by Google map streetview of St Alban's the gravestone style look much older than 1834- so took it for granted it was the Heworth chapelry. Though its say St Mary's was founded 1822 and get more complicated:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/Heworth
Extract from link
" "Heworth Church, St. Mary's, was probably founded by Ceolfrid, abbot of Monkwearmouth and Jarrow, within two years of the consecration of Jarrow Church, A.D. 684. The twenty-three coins of the realm of King Ecgfrid, found in this churchyard in the year 1812, prove this, as they were most likely dedication coins placed under the foundation-stone of the original church; and as King Ecgfrid was killed in 685, this was probably the year in which the foundation-stone was laid. From that time until 1214 no further mention is made of this church, but in a record of that year reference is made to "the lands of the chapel of Heworth," and since that time notices of it are frequent. It was rebuilt in 1684, and again in 1711, at which date it was considerably enlarged. The present edifice was erected on the same site in 1822, and is a fine cruciform structure of stone in the Early Decorated style, with nave, transepts, shallow chancel, and square tower at the west containing a clock. The living is a vicarage, valued at £280, in the gift of Lord Northbourne, and held by the Rev. James Steele."
[From History, Topography and Directory of Durham, Whellan, London, 1894]
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A transcription of the burial is on FindMyPast using WOOD as a surname.
Claire
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm & Claire.
I had found the actual B.T. image of the 1800 John Hood burial.
That history of Heworth St Mary, especially the reference to the historic coins being found, was interesting.
Claire, I don't know how FindMyPast got Wood in the transcription :o , it is definitely John Hood in the image!
Regarding the Blue Quaries location, I even tried that location in the newspaper search too and noticed the newspaper said Gateshead Fell, which is East Gateshead.
I should imagine this John Hood aged 55 buried 31st December 1800 was likely the one baptised Gateshead, Durham, in December 1745.
Interesting this John Hood, Shoemaker, burial at St Mary, Heworth, County of Durham, in 1800, because the parents of John Samuel Hood and John Lionel Hood (both baptised 1800) were - Anthony Hood and Elizabeth Snowdon and were linked to Heworth, Durham, in 1800.
Mark
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Came across this - names, places and trade seems to ring bells
Probably nothing - but ?
(Shoemakers, Cordwainer - Tanners, Brewers needing holding vessels/barrels for liquids needed to procure hides, brews, thus sometimes a father of above trades would put a son into a trade linked to his own business trade needs or processes)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=780619.msg6349257#msg6349257
1861 Census we we have in Newcastle upon Tyne;
Elizabeth Todd, 68, Head, Widow, no occp, born Scarborough, Yorkshire
George Hoult, 15, Grandson, Cooper, born Heworth, Durham
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Hello All
Thank you dobfarm for the comment.
I have been brushing up on history, in view of what I can vaguely recall my Grandmother saying about the Great North Road from Scotland into England. Bonnie Prince Charlie and several Kings.
The Hoods might have marched twice from Scotland down the Great North Road.
1. Hoods who marched with Col. Hood and General George Monck in 1660 (restoration of Charles II).
2. Hoods who supported Charles Edward Stuart in 1745 - 1746 (Bonnie Prince Charlie the Pretender).
Bonnie Prince Charlie, got so far into England and then turned back to Scotland with his supporters and after hiding eventually escaped in a boat dressed in Women's clothes into exile.
From my Grandmother's account about Bonnie Prince Charlie I am left wondering if my ancestors were supporters of 'The Pretender's' ill-fated excursion into England and nothing to do with either of the Mariners.
This might probably be where Having respect for the Crown stems from.
Our ancestor turning his back on past family life, may simply be an excuse out of pride and to change loyalties to support the English Crown.
I suspect my George Hood would be Protestant and if so, he'll have no C of E Baptism anywhere. The 1945 letter from Chapman of Blackpool and Scarborough says the Hood of Selby family were divided and I suspect it was a Religious divide, hence George Hood's odd burial by the Quakers. The Mother Sarah (nee Russell) probably got their Children baptised.
I'll have to keep an open mind, but my Grandmother referred to the Great North Road from Scotland. Also mentioned was Bonnie Prince Charlie, various battles [which I can see, some are linked to the Jacobite Rebellion 1745 - 1746] and she gave a history of the Stuart Kings back to James VI King of Scotland who was also King James I King of England.
Bonnie Prince Charlie was a Stuart and those who supported him wanted another Stuart King of England.
Mark
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Seeing as you are tracing your surname directly back through your Hood forefathers male line back, one has to put or rise the issue of there are 2 lines from each generation marriage ? is there the possibility arising (from her own maiden name ancestors) is your grandmother relating either her own ancestry line or one of the Hood female husband spouse's lines back. Her tales are 2nd hand from the start as her marriage to your grandfather's Hood line at the start that leaves open to;- question : has she got the tale right from him to relate to that far back in history with accuracy as tales are passed down the generations or one of the ancestor generation of passing the tale down !! got mixed up as to a father or mothers ancestry line back
Devotion to a granny's old hearsay fireside tales to a little boy as being accurate and accuracy of related true history are 2 different things.
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Hello
Yes dobfarm, there is always the possiblity that an ancestor of one of my female direct line ancestors had been involved. When my Grandmother was telling me this, my Grandfather was long dead.
My Grandmother had remarried a Scotsman and the Clan of his surname, are shown on a battlefield.
According to a book, Scottish records are naming several Hoods and places of residence as being involved or supporters of the 1745 - 1746 Rebellion.
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Some surname Spencer are of Scottish origin too.
Mark
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Expecting 3 more Wills and wish to keep this (posted as a note only), might need it later to research.
The Morpeth Herald, 27th November 1875
At Chirnside, Berwickshire, 17th inst, aged 91, Robert Hood, father to William Hood, Esq., of Tynemouth.
The Newcastle Journal, 20th December 1851
In Grey Street, on the 16th inst. aged 82, Mrs Jane Hood, formerly of Gateshead.
Dundee, Perth and Cupar Advertiser, 23rd February 1858
Mr Gerald Massey ... This week he has been lecturing at West Hartlepool, on Hood and Burns.— Gateshead Observer.
Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury, 14th May 1864
At Gateshead, at St. Mary's, on the 8th inst., Mr William Hood, of Gateshead, engine fitter, to Miss Margaret Napier, of Newcastle.
Mark
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It would be interesting if we could find the children of William Cook and Elizabeth Hood, and where they ended up. Children - Eleanor, Rosamund, William and Elizabeth.
Thanks to the other thread someone started I feel fairly sure Eleanor married as Ellen Cook in London to a George William Bentley. Her two sons were both given the middle name Hood and her daughter was a Elizabeth Rose Bentley who went on to marry a William Cotter, who ran his own business as a Flour Carman.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=106949.msg6431373#msg6431373
From my jotted notes (not detailed) Rosamund married Thomas Abbott of Loders, Dorsetshire & ended up in Guernsey. Thomas was a master mariner & Rosamund became a Boarding House Keeper.
Hello Jomot, Claire and All
7 January 1837
Rosamund COOK hath resided in Morpeth for 15 days last past, Spinster, aged 21 years and Thomas ABBOTT of the Parish of Loders, Dorsetshire, Bachelor, aged 21 years hath prayed for a Licence.
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Hello
Interesting that Rosamond COOK, born North Shields per Census (a descendant of Elizabeth Hood) should live in Morpeth at the time of her 1837 Marriage.
A John Hood, Mariner (who married Elizabeth Gibson at Newcastle in 1779) and whose age fits very nicely, to a John Hood buried at Morpeth in 1824 and formerly a Keelman on the Tyne.
Some Mariners when finished at Sea, did do other work, etc.
Any M.I. for John Hood buried Morpeth 19 September 1824?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818531.msg6805351#msg6805351
I wonder?
Mark
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Petre and Others to Hood
I'm looking at the 1836 registration (purchase) of the premises by George Hood, lately occupied by George Hood, but at the last Survey [of the Manor - not found] were occupied by Richard Gibson and Thomas Holliday [possibly alias Halliday].
The document of Edward Robert Petre, was attested by Edward Parker of Selby, Gentleman and William White of No. 108 Cheapside in the City of London, Gentleman.
Those involved in the Release document:- William Henry Francis Lord Petre and Henry Charles Earl of Surrey Edward Robert Petre Charles Henry Pigot of Great Marlborough Street county of Middlesex Gentleman George Hood Wm Massey of Selby Merchant Edward White of Great Marlborough Street Gentleman and Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby ...
EDIT: seems the above names don't help me much.
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This kicked off too, later in 1807 in London, mentioning William White deceased and asking for the Hoods at East Stoke, Hampshire (might just be a coincidence) ...
London, November 25, 1807.
Notice is hereby given to George Hood, William Hood,
and Richard Hood, the Three Sons of Richard Hood,
of the Parish of East-Stoke, Dorsetshire, by Rachael Hood,
his late Wife, the Nephews of William White, formerly
Servant to Mr. Quinnell, of Chichester, and late of Ripley,
in Surrey, deceased, that if they do not, on or before the 24th
of June next, apply to James Taplin, of Maid-Lane, South-
wark, Maltster, or Abraham Fenn, of Cobham, Surrey, Vic-
tualler, the Executors of the said Deceased, and prove them-
selves respectively to have been resident within that Part of
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland called
Great Britain, in the Month of May 1806, when the said
Deceased died, they will be excluded from all Benefit which
otherwise they would be entitled to under the Will of their
late Uncle, the said William White, deceased.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/16093/page/1638/data.pdf
Upon Trust and in manner [word unreadable (and truncated) ] ment'd
... He the said Edw White at the req't & dir'on of the sd Wm Hy Francis Lord Petre & Henry Charles Earl of Surrey Edw'd Rob't Petre & Charles Henry Pigot & at the [word unreadable] & appointment of the sd George Hood testified &c Did bargain sell assign transfer & set over unto the sd Jonathan Hutchinson his exors admors & assigns ...
To hold the Dwghses or Tenemts heredits & premes with the appurts ...
In Trust nevless for the sd George Hood ...
Covenant by the sd Edward White That he had not incumb'e
1836 Appointment and Release.
in fee of hereditaments at Selby.-
On the reverse ... Received on the day and year first within written of and from the within named George Hood the sum of Five hundred and ten pounds being the consideration money within expressed to be paid by him to us
Witnesses
Edward Parker Petre
Jno Alfd Curtis Surrey
I am left wondering why George Hood who paid the £510 had to use Hutchinson.
George Hood's wife was excluded from having a Dower.
Mark
Added:
The other document for George Hood's actual property says George Hood of Selby in the County of York Brewer has paid 5 shillings in the hand to each of the following The Right Honourable William Henry Francis Lord Petre and The Honourable Henry Charles Howard commonly called the Earl of Surrey and The Honourable Edward Robert Petre late of Stapleton Park in the County of York but now residing at Brussels.
There are past references to Petre having Judgements served against him.
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Slightly off topic !!, We have an idea what George Hood born abt 1786 was worth as a cooper around 1812 to 1815, then increased his wealth through business known how through his life, yet there seem large figures of money that pop up attribute to his name in later years of his life. I'm beginning to wonder if he was a benefactor of a Will or Wills through his adult life, to be left money from his ancestors or from his own family or his as yet unknown beginnings. ???
£500 was a lot of money then, (and like the newspater add of the cost of a steam engine he sold ?). :-\
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opinions on above :)
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Thanks dobfarm
I hope you are keeping well.
The Hood property Deeds seen before Lockdown didn't shed much light on George Hood's background.
What was amongst the document files was a damaged page torn apparently from a small Russell Bible dated MDCCLXXI.
To find this 1771 page was certainly exciting and must be fairly rare!
William Russell & Mary Burton Married May 17th 1792.
Sarah Russell Born Sep't 30th 1793
Hannah Russell Born April 12th 1796
[r/h of page worn away from here, info in square brackets added from Selby & Hull Registers]
Wm Russell Born May 31st 179 [Register says 1st June 1799]
William Russell Dide June 28
Mary Russell Born September 9
Mary Russell Dyed October 13 [Hull Holy T. Burials 15 October 1802 Mary D of Wm Russell]
William Russell Junr Dyed Nov [at Hull and in Selby Burial Register 11 November 1802 William Russell Junr aged 3 of Small Pox]
Ho1
[H little o raised and a 1], as though it has been used in Court, I have seen this type of lettering & numbering when Deeds have been presented as evidence to a Court of Chancery.
One thing about this lettering & number were:-
There was also an early 19th Century Auction Sales Particulars amongst the large file of documents which included Lots relating to Byefield being listed.
You may recall that in 1805 at Sculcoates Mary Russell, Widow, married Thomas Gouldsbrough Widower of Selby and when Thos Gouldsbrough died, three of George Hood's Sons appeared at the Manor of Selby Court to take over the Copyhold property and Mortgage from Gouldsbrough's Widow.
So the Family Bible page might once have been supplied to the Manor of Selby Court and returned, because of the old Bye Field Sale Particulars also being left amongst the documents in the files relating to Hood's other property he purchased from Lord Petre.
Or the Bible page left filed for some other currently unknown reason. ADDED: or perhaps Sarah Russell had to show her Father and Siblings were dead to inherit from somewhere.
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Seems Petre had Court finanicial Judgements against him and the Manor from two Swann family, Bankers at York and Others such as Downe. Fortunately these are all Registered at Wakefield prior to George Hood's registered in 1836.
The £510 seems to have been negotiated and paid by George Hood of Selby to remove the Incumbrances put by several past Court Judgements against the Manor and Petre.
Mark
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With George Hood very involved local Selby community life post is marriage in 1815 to 1845 or 46- If it was today 2020 - I would say he had all the Hallmarks of being one of the USA witness protection program from his real name and former life.
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If and it is a big if ... if George Hood was an illegitimate Son of Ann Pearson alias Hannah Pearson of Rawcliffe near Goole/Snaith (and there is a George, illegitimate baptism to Ms Pearson within a couple of years of his approximate birth year), the Brig Industry Muster Roll in 1785 show John Hood, Master Mariner's Crew 'Mate' was Jno Ellerthorp born Rawcliffe.
Therefore, John Hood, Master Mariner, of Selby (previously of Scarborough) could possibly have been in Rawcliffe around 1785 and bumped into or been enticed by Ann / Hannah Pearson of Rawcliffe in the years around my George Hood's Birth year.
Image and transcription here (thread Reply #54, 21 July 2018)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6541301#msg6541301
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John Ellerthorpe: The Hero of the Humber [possibly his Son]
http://museumshull.blogspot.com/2015/09/john-ellerthorpe-hero-of-humber.html
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I can see having to resort to Y-DNA.
Mark
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I cannot see a link back via my Sarah Russell on her Burton lineage to the Dr John Burton below.
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Dr John Burton (born 1710) married Mary Henson at York, England, in 1734 and was a supporter of the rebellion in 1745-1746. Mary Henson's parents were Samuel Henson, Gentleman and Mrs Mary Dunn, who married at Wistow, near Selby, in 1713.
Added: See also page 205 onward (written by Thomas Burton, Esq., of Turnham Hall, Yorkshire)
https://archive.org/stream/heminbrough00burt#page/204/mode/2up/search/Hood
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Matthew Hood buried Selby Abbey 1717 had previously married Elizabeth Byard at Wistow, picture of his grave at reply 6 here:-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=751453.0
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Looking at the previous Samuel Henson marriage at Wistow to Hanna Byard, 24th April 1679 and Samuel Henson's Will (whose Wife and Daughter were both named Mary) Proved 1716 (extract below also mentioning Samuel Hood, William Byard & Byard Rawson) there would be a link by marriage from Henson at Wistow, Yorkshire to Matthew Hood of Selby, via Byard.
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If my late Grandmother's Family Folklore was correct that we are related to [a supporter of] Charles Edward Stuart alias Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Pretender (and Dr John Burton was the relation being referred to), then my George Hood & Sarah Russell (married Selby 1815), would have to link back to Matthew Hood, Surgeon and Elizabeth (Byard) of Selby or his Hood siblings.
Added: Mentioned before Reply #605
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6640405#msg6640405
(The Great North Road is the A1 road in recent times)
Mark
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From memory, i thought the marriage record said it was my direct ancestor, Isaac Pearson, who was of Sadberge, and my direct ancestor, Elizabeth Gibson, of this Parish (Darlington)
Will my new cousin please contact me!
Veronika calling...
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From memory, i thought the marriage record said it was my direct ancestor, Isaac Pearson, who was of Sadberge, and my direct ancestor, Elizabeth Gibson, of this Parish (Darlington)
Hello Veronika
Have you got the year of the marriage to which you refer?
Some of the discussion on here relates to the marriage of Elizabeth Gibson (Spinster) aged 21 of the Chapelry of All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, in 1779 to John Hood (Bachelor) aged 23, Mariner, per Marriage Licence & Bond.
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Other Discussion
Descent given in the Selby, Yorkshire, England, Register for
Elizabeth Gibson, born and baptised 19th / 23rd November 1800 at Selby ...
Elizabeth Gibson, First Daughter of Richard Gibson, Cooper, Son of ...
Thomas Gibson of Hall's Gates near Newcastle, Lab'r and Elizabeth his Wife Daughter of ________ Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland.
Mark
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22 Jul 1798, Mark
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Interested to read about Proctor and Camm in Selby. I live in the house owned by the Proctors on Gowthorpe. I think it was Thomas (1724-1798) who lived here and with his daughter Margaret who married Herbert Camm. On 28th Sept 1798 the house was sold to Margaret's niece Elizabeth Proctor for £350. On 24th October 1853, Elizabeth died and the house was inherited by Elizabeth's nephew Jonathan Hutchinson. When he died his brother Charles who was excutor of his will sold the house to John James York. The house was then owned by the York family, passing down the family and we bought it from them in 1999. Around 1910 the house was split in two and frequently rented out to people. It is a very peaceful house and after a great deal of renovation which restored it to its Georgian footprint and it has become a happy family home.
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Just come across this thread. Has anyone mentioned that although Selby has been in North Yorkshire for almost 50 years, before that it was in the WEST Riding, which was a very large county.
https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/613
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Interested to read about Proctor and Camm in Selby. I live in the house owned by the Proctors on Gowthorpe. I think it was Thomas (1724-1798) who lived here and with his daughter Margaret who married Herbert Camm. On 28th Sept 1798 the house was sold to Margaret's niece Elizabeth Proctor for £350. On 24th October 1853, Elizabeth died and the house was inherited by Elizabeth's nephew Jonathan Hutchinson. When he died his brother Charles who was excutor of his will sold the house to John James York.
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Hello Hilary
You might be interested in the Left page of the 1839 Rate Book, especially the top one attached as an image at Reply # 72 in another related thread. The page opening images I have, show the amounts columns on the right page ...
Showing Wm Procter as an Owner of a House and Tannery, Occupied by George Hood (my ancestor) and also Elizabeth Procter as Owner and Occupier, at Gowthorpe, Selby.
Link to Reply # 72 of the other thread ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6125594#msg6125594
My ancestor in 1830 (Reg'd 1831) acquired 4/5ths of a house in Gowthorpe Selby, Yorkshire, of the late John Clark Linen Draper, from Hannah Woodcock of York Widow (nee Hannah Clark); William Field of Charlotte Street, Portland Place, Middlesex Taylor and Sarah his wife the only surviving child and heiress of William Mitchinson late of Selby Joiner & Ann his wife (nee Ann Clark); Maria Anne Mason and Martha Mason Spinsters both of Thorp Arch daughters and coheiresses of Christopher Mason of Thorp Arch & Mary his wife (nee Mary Clark) and John Dickinson of Selby Plumber & Glazier only Son of William Dickinson, Tailor and Martha his Wife (nee Martha Clark).
The Memorial Deed copy, does not describe neighbouring owners.
The other 1/5th was purchased and registered later.
Mark
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Hello MollyC,
Old records for Selby are with quite a few Archives in Yorkshire, Leeds, Borthwick (at York) and elsewhere, including North, East and West Riding Archives of Yorkshire.
Mark