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Can anybody help?
The cutter "Hero" was owned by John Atkinson Walker, Kaipara, Mill Manager; Charles Watson, Auckland, Mariner and Alfred Barnes, Onehunga, Agent.
On 6 July 1875 it left the Kaipara with a cargo of 19,800 feet of sawn timber and 6,500 shingles consigned to Messrs Webster Bros, Waitara. The crew were as follows:
Captain Robert Dobel (also spelt Dobell and Noble)
George Gordon (Steward)
Edward Terry (Seaman)
Alfred Hunt (17 year old boy - sole survivor)
The crew abandoned ship with 3 crew drowning. The cutter was towed into Mokau and was later sold at auction on 28 September 1875 to new owners.
A newspaper report on Paperspast and also in the book "Shipwrecks on and off the Taranaki Coast by Margaret de Jardine c 1984 mentiones the following:
"At the end of July one of the bodies was washed ashore at Mokau and was buried in the sand high up on the beach (I understand from Ian Whittaker, Tainui Historical Museum that this body was located in recent times and reburied in the Mokau cemetery?) A few days later the two remaining bodies were found at Mokau and Constable Lethbridge was sent out from Waitara to bury them. One was an elderly man (Captain Dobell, and the other a young man with several tattoo marks".
Captain Dobel left behind a wife (Maria) and 7 children according to newspaper reports.
I have checked the NZDIA death index but can't find the crew members listed in the index.
Can anybody assist with details of where they might have been buried?
What happened to 17 year old Alfred Hunt?
Thanks
WNW
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Obituary for Alfred Hunt..........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19351230.2.23?query=alfred%20hunt%20hero%20death
Minniehaha.
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Cemetery records........
Name HUNT, ALFRED CHARLTON
Details M: Died 07-12-1935: Aged 75:
Place Hillsborough
Location Area 2 Block F Lot No 392
Remarks transcribed inscription reads "In loving memory of Alfred C Hunt died 7 Dec 1935 aged 75 yrs Also his beloved wife Bridget Ann died 10 Dec 1946 in her 82nd yr."
Information
Officiating
NZSG map
Trans number
[2 of 3]
Name HUNT, ALFRED CHARLTON
Details M: Died 07-12-1935: Aged 75: Date of burial - 9 Dec 1935
Place Hillsborough
Location Area 2 Block F Lot No 392
Remarks Headstone: Yes
Information Occuptation - engineer: Residence - 4 Curran St, Ponsonby: Native place - Kawhia:
Officiating Officiating Clergy - Rev Averill: Informant - H J Fraser
NZSG map A1 R8
Trans number 177
Minniehaha.
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There is a snippet in the Auckland Star 30 July 1875, Page 2, suggesting public subscription for the destitute family of Captain Dobel.
paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Regards Crowsfeet
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More on Alfred Hunt.........
Marriage:
1885/231 Bridget Dinnen Alfred Charlton Hunt
Their children:
1889/4220 Hunt Stanley Charlton Bridget Alfred Charlton -
1894/4552 Hunt Agustine Hinemoa Bridget Ann Alfred Chartson -
1885/9665 Hunt Alfred William Thomas Bridget Alfred Charlton -
1896/15894 Hunt Horace Nivard Bridget Alfred Charlton -
1887/3335 Hunt Violet Stanislans Bridget Alfred Charlton
Minniehaha.
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Letter of thanks from Maria DOBLE........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TH18760506.2.17.1?query=maria%20doble
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha and Crowsfeet for your postings.
Sad that Maria Dobel was left to bring up 7 children on her own.
Thanks
WNW
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["I have checked the NZDIA death index but can't find the crew members listed in the index".]
The reason being it appears the bodies were not formally identified. If indeed that was even possible. At least one was found and buried by local Maori.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750802.2.16.3?query=hero%20bodies
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750803.2.15.12?query=hero%20bodies
Minniehaha.
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Marriage:
1861/2234 Maria Conway Robert Doble
Their 7 children:
1863/7555 Dobel Robert Maria Robert
1875/7621 Doble Frederick William Maria Robert
1866/9700 Doble Charles William Maria Robert
1870/15027 Doble Edward Albert Maria Robert
1868/13834 Doble Alfred Ernest Maria Robert
1872/16314 Doble Annie Louisa Maria Robert
1865/24919 Doble Margaret Maria Robert
The correct spelling of the surname would appear to be DOBLE........
Minniehaha
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Many people throughout the country were sympathetic to the plight of Maria and her children and contributed funds:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750923.2.10?query=doble
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TH18750925.2.23.1?query=doble
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750802.2.24?query=doble
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750731.2.22?query=doble
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THA18750806.2.10?query=doble
Minniehaha.
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Thanks for your postings Minniehaha.
I have sent you a PM.
WNW
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I am still searching for information on Captain Doble's date/place of birth to determine his age at the time of his death.
Interesting that he was the Mate on the schooner "Tyne" which was wrecked off the coast of Tasmania in early December 1861.
I also found in the Appendix to the Journal of the House of Representives, 11 July 1883 that an application (No. 17) by Maria Doble for a land grant was declined. Her application was based on Robert Doble joining the Auckland Naval Volunteers on 29 June 1860 and being discharged on 30 November 1867.
I have still to check this out.
WNW
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Death notice for second son of Robert & Maria.......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19340709.2.2.3?query=maria%20doble
Death notice for Maria Doble……
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19120520.2.105?query=doble
Wendy have you made contact with any descendants of the Captain?
Minniehaha.
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i Minniehaha,
Thanks for the links to the death notices.
I have not yet identified any living descendants of Capt Robt Doble. I have however found the following marriages:
Charles William Doble married Bertha Elizabeth Schapp in 1887, NZ
Annie Louisa Doble married Francis Edmund Bryne in 1917, NZ
Frederick William Doble married Eleanor Reade in 1912, NZ
WNW
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Probated will & burial details (1957) for Frederick William Doble.......
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14751602
http://waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/cemeterydetails.aspx?id=63311
I can have a look for his death notice if you wish to go down the route of trying to trace descendants.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha. If you could take a look for a death notice this would be great.
I am also looking for descendants of Alfred Hunt as well and constructing a family tree.
Alfred and Bridget's daughter Violet Stanislaus Hunt married James White Harding in 1911. They had 4 children:
James Hunt Harding 1912-1991
Violet Olga Hunt Harding 1913-1997. Married Norman Everard Patterson
Betty Hunt Harding 1914-1914
Joffrey John Hunt Harding 1916-1975
I have not yet been able to identify any children of Violet's siblings yet.
WNW
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Hello Wendy,
I have that death notice on my list. Do you know where Violet Olga & Jeffrey John died? If you don't, another Rootschatter may be able to provide this information......
Minniehaha.
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Hi Minniehaha,
I don't know where Violet and Jeffrey died, although possibly Auckland. I will check Auckland cemetery records and see if I can find them there. A work in progress.
WNW
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In NSW unassisted immigrants I have found the following:
Robert Doble, Chief Mate, age 25 - British
"Matador" from Hobart Town to Sydney, NSW arriving 3 June 1859
Robert Doble, Chief Officer, age 27 - England
ship Barque "Kate" of Auckland from Auckland to Sydney, NSW arriving 20 June 1862
This would make his year of birth c 1834 and around 40 years of age in 1875.
WNW
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Death notice details for Frederick William DOBLE (1957) sent by PM........
Minniehaha.
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I now have a copy of the marriage registration for Robert Doble and Maria Conway.
They were married on 29 April 1861, St Mathews church, Auckland by the Rev David Jones. Robert was of "full age" and underneath is written 26 and Maria Conway, Minor. Witnesses were James RIBBLE, Mariner, Hob--town and James CONWAY, Senter(?), Auckland.
This would make Robert's year of birth as 1835 and 40 years of age 1870.
WNW
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Images of Crew Lists :
Two voyages of the Matador in 1859 with Robert DOBLE/DOBELL as Mate or Chief Mate aged 25
http://marinersandships.com.au/1859/06/media/023mat.gif (June 1859)
http://marinersandships.com.au/1859/11/media/051mat.gif (November 1859)
http://marinersandships.com.au/
JM
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Hi Wendy,
A little more on the family.......
Doble- Byrne marriage:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19180114.2.70?query=louisa%20doble
Death of Francis Edmund BYRNE:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19290128.2.4?query=francis%20byrne
Probate:
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=9382859
[This maybe viewable at Family Search. I have not looked there.]
Minniehaha.
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Thanks JM for these links. I have been looking at the site Mariners & ships in Australian waters.
One of the witnesses to Robert Doble's marriage was James Ribble. I have found him as the Captain of the schooner "Tyne" which left Port Chalmers on 18 November 1861 for Hobart. The vessel was wrecked 3 miles off Cape Pillar. Robert Doble was a Mate on this vessel.
WNW
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Thanks Minniehaha for the links. I have checked Familysearch and the probate record is not there.
An avenue for further research!
Many thanks.
WNW
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Sadly, this is not an avenue for further research; the only (?) children of Charles William DOBLE (b. 1866) dying young......
Death of only (?) daughter of Charles Frederick DOBLE:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19101121.2.78?query=charles%20doble
Death of only (?) son of Charles Frederick DOBLE:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18890907.2.37.3?query=charles%20doble
Minniehaha.
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Minniehaha Thanks for this information.
My research to date suggests that there could be living descendants through Capt Robert Doble's son Robert born 1863 and Frederick William born 1875.
I will send you a PM.
WNW
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Thanks Wendy. PM sent with some death notices, which if you don't already have, may be useful?
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha for the links. I have checked Familysearch and the probate record is not there.
An avenue for further research!
Yes ... the Probate record is there. ;) [Digitised ... but not indexed by name as yet ...]
So you need to use the "Browse through .... images" > select the Court (Auckland) > select the year (1929) > the batch number (you're looking for Probate "P149") ... have a rough guess at where "149" might be in the batch. It takes a while to flick through and find.
[The file for Francis Edmund BYRNE starts at Image # 183. ]
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481
~ Lu
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Thanks Lu.
Found it. I had missed that at the bottom. Now I know where to look in the future.
Thanks again.
Wendy
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;)
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PM sent with what appears to be a good Doble contact lead......
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha.
I now have a copy of the birth registration of Frederick William Doble, born 16 May 1875, Mount Street, Auckland. Informant was Mary Jane Conway, Aunt, Mount Street.
Sadly Frederick was only a few weeks old when his Father drowned.
Wendy
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I wonder if this is the death of that aunt?
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19391007.2.5?query=mary%20jane%20conway
Minniehaha.
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If correct, further details about her family........
[Symonds Street cemetery records]
Abstract The Anglican Sexton's list has James Conway at Block C 76 and Susan and Susanna at C77. According to the late 1950's tombstone transcriptions James Conway died aged 66 years and his wife Susan Conway died aged 74 years, a son and daughter were Susanna and William, and James John Conway died 11 August 1920 aged 79 years.
The St Pauls register has James Conway buried 24 October 1865 aged 66 years of Albert Street, Susan Conway buried 25 August 1872 aged 70 years of Mount Street, Susan Conway buried 20 May 1874 aged 29 years of Mount Street and George William Conway an infant who died 6 December 1858 and was buried 7 December 1858.
The Town Clerk's file 303/36 of 20/12/1932 at Auckland City Council Archives has a Miss M. J. Conway complaining of damage to a Conway tombstone in the Anglican section - this is the most likely one.
Early 1900's repairs to the Wesleyan/Anglican section refer to three children of John Conway, and describe the grave as having "no fence, headstone at West end".
Subjects Conway, James, d.1865; Conway, Susan, d.1872; Conway, Susan, d.1874; Conway, George William, d.1858; Conway, William; Conway, James John, d.1920; Conway, Mary Jane; Conway, -; Conway, Susannah; Conway, William Henry
Symonds Street Cemetery
Notes: The Anglican Memorial has James Conway, Susan Conway, Susannah Conway (daughter), William Henry Conway (son) and James John (son) Conway.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha.
It is likely that it is the family. When Maria Conway married Robert Doble a witness to the marriage was a James Conway. It appears that his occupation was "Senter" as this appears after his name.
Can anybody advise what a "Senter" is?
Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
I have not managed to get any closer than this with "senter".........
Seinter: made girdles.
Minniehaha.
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If further details still required about the family of Alfred Charlton Hunt:
Horace Nivard Hunt (b. 1896) married Annette May Middleton in 1917.
Probate:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=1194193
Nomination for JP.
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=9598807
Cemetery details for his wife, Annette May-
http://www.purewa.co.nz/view/?id=99853
Cemetery details coming for Horace Nivard.
[Information about Agustine* Hinemoa b. 1894, sent by PM]
*Spelling as shown....
Minniehaha.
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Surname HUNT
First Names Horace Nivard
Age 89 Years
Gender Male
Date of Death 28 Aug 1985
Religion Anglican
Serial No 50485
Date of Service and/or Interment 31 Aug 1985
Type Of Service
Funeral Director Davis Funeral Services, P O Box 56013, Mt Eden, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal Returned
Book Of Remembrance No
Wendy if you wish, I can do a death notice look up for you on this one......
Minniehaha/
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Thanks Minniehaha for this information. Yes I am still looking for the family of Alfred Hunt. PM message sent.
If you are able to do a death notice look up for Horace this would be great.
Thanks
WNW
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Will add this one to my list........ :)
Surname HARDING
First Names Joffrey John Hunt
Age Unknown
Gender Male
Date of Death
Religion
Serial No 28555
Date of Service and/or Interment 30 Jun 1975
Type Of Service
Funeral Director Wm Morrison Funeral Services, PO Box 25731, St Heliers, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal Returned
Book Of Remembrance No
[Son of Alfred & Bridget's daughter, Violet Stanislaus Hunt.]
Minniehaha.
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Death notice for Norman Evered PATTERSON sent by PM together with cemetery details for his wife Olga Violet nee Hunt...........
Minniehaha.
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Another son of Alfred Charlton & Bridget HUNT...........
Marriage:
1912/7668 Glaydis Bennett Alfred William Thomas Hunt
His death:
1966/25914 Hunt Alfred William Thomas 80Y
Probate file…….
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14761467
WW1 file:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=18050993
[Date of birth show here as 30.6.1886]
Cemetery details:
Surname HUNT
First Names Alfred William Thomas
Age Unknown
Gender Male
Date of Death
Religion
Serial No 11756
Date of Service and/or Interment 17 Mar 1966
Type Of Service
Funeral Director H Morris Funeral Services, P O Box 36-273, Northcote, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal Returned
Book Of Remembrance No
Would you like me to look up this death notice also? :)
Minniehaha.
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HUNT, Myrtle Olive
Last Address: Flat 3, 106 Lemon St, New Plymouth (Widow)
Age at Death: 82 Years
Date of Death: 18 Oct 1978
Category: Cremation
Funeral Director: W Abraham Ltd., PO Box 4016, NEW PLYMOUTH 4340
Date of Cremation: 21 Oct 1978
Ashes Disposal: Funeral Director
[Not yet found her husband, Stanley Charlton Hunt.]
Minniehaha.
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Probate Violet Stanislaus Harding:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23044808
Last name HARDING
First name JAMES WHITE
Age 72 Years
Deceased date 11/10/1949
Service provided Cremation
Cremation date 13/10/1949
Cemetery Crematorium
Record number 9249
[His probate also held at Wellington Archives.]
Last name HARDING
First name VIOLET STANELAUS
Age 65 Years
Deceased date 16/02/1952
Service provided Cremation
Cremation date 19/02/1952
Cemetery Crematorium
Record number 11281
[Wellington Cemetery]
Minniehaha.
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Going back a bit Wendy..........
Marriage of the parents of Alfred Charlton HUNT:
1855/1773 Isabella Charleton William Thomas Hunt
Birth of Alfred Charlton & his siblings:
1856/3385 Hunt Ann Elizabeth Isabella William Thomas -
1858/3224 Hunt Alfred Charlton Isabella William Thomas -
1860/4152 Hunt Mary Jane Isabella William Thomas -
1860/4155 Hunt Isabella Emma Isabella William Thomas -
1863/6112 Hunt Margaret Jane Isabella William Thomas -
1865/25705 Hunt Sarah Alice Isabella William Thomas
Death of father of Alfred Charlton HUNT:
1867/28 Hunt William Thomas 35Y
Death of the mother of Alfred Charlton HUNT:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19060216.2.98?query=william%20thomas%20hunt
Cemetery details:
Details of a Burial in Kamo Cemetery, Ketenikau Road, Kamo, Whangarei
Surname: HODGSON
Forenames: Isabella Hunt
Age: 64 Years
Gender: Female
Date of Death: 16 Feb 1906
Funeral Director:
Cemetery: Kamo Cemetery, Ketenikau Road, Kamo, Whangarei
Plot Location: Block V Row 6 Plot 20
Date of Burial: 17 Feb 1906
Body / Ashes Body
Minniehaha.
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Account of the death of Captain Fairchild, uncle of Alfred Charlton HUNT. [see reply #1]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/auckland-star/1898/7/5/4?large_image=true
Death registration:
1898/6446 Fairchild John 64Y
Minniehaha.
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Many thanks Minniehaha for your postings.
I have sent you a PM about the Hunt family.
Wendy
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PM sent with possible contact details..........
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha.
Received a reply. Contact not able to assist.
Thanks again
WNW
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Extracts from three death notices sent by PM......
Minniehaha.
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Tidying up a loose end. The death in Australia of Stanley Charlton Hunt [reply#4] born 1889.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
Family name (surname)HUNT Given namesStanley Charlton EventDeath Father's name / Spouse's family nameHUNT Unknown Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given nameUnknown (Unknown) Reg. year1962 Reg. no19195
His wife, Myrtle Olive died in New Plymouth in 1978. [reply #43]
Minniehaha.
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A big thank you to all who the posted information. I have made contact with descendants, who unfortunately are not able to add much to the information that I now have.
Thanks again
WNW
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I would like to thank everyone who assisted me with information.
The Department of Internal Affairs has now registered the death of Robert Doble. I have been unable to have the deaths of GORDON and TERRY registered due to insufficient information.
I will be passing a copy of the death certificate to the Mokau Museum for their records and a copy to a living relative that I have located in the UK.
This exercise was a marathon not a sprint.
Rest in Peace Captain Doble!
WNW