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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: BAC3 on Friday 26 August 16 17:01 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Thomas FORREST was born c1830, West Calder, Edinburgh, the son of James FORREST and his wife Janet (nee ROBERTSON). On 20/04/1845 he was sentenced to transportation for 7 years for Housbreaking but pardoned on 25/09/1847. At his conviction he stated his father, James FORREST, was a Tailor or Sailor (bad transcription) and lived at Camel's Close, Cannongate, Edinburgh.
On 01/10/1862 he re-offended, was tried at Perth for theft and sentenced to 8 years penal servitude. The prison records state he was occupied as a Hawker and married with one child (see later).
Next sighting is April 1881 and he is now living in Hawick, Roxburghshire, and working as a Licensed Hawker. He is living with Mary McMANNERS (GALLACHER) and two children......is this the wife referred to above?
I apologise if the details are a little sketchy but I hope someone can make a connection confirming that I am concerned with one and the same Thomas FORREST ???
For the moment and thank you
BAC3
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Hi BAC3,
If the Thomas FORREST in 1881 with Mary GALLACHER/McMANNERS is 'your' Thomas, it seems quite unlikely to me, that she is the mother of any child he might have had in 1862 at the time of his trial.
Mary was producing children with her husband James GALLOCHER / GALAGHER between 1860 and 1870, though by 1871 James has possibly either disappeared or died:
1861: 6 Kirkgate, Hawick, Roxburgshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB7C-RQ4
Ref: Parish 789 / ED 7/ Pg 3 / HS 14
Head: James GALLACHER 24, Hawker, b Ireland
Wife: Mary GALLACHER 21, Hawker, b Hawick
Dau: Catherine GALLACHER 6 mths, b Hawick
1871: 6 Howegate, Hawick, Roxburgshire
(not EGSETER A*y, ;)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBL1-L5R
Ref: Parish 789 /ED 7 / Pg 16 / HS 83
Head: Mary GALLOCHER 30, Hawker, b Hawick
Dau: Catherine GALLOCHER 10, Scholar, b Hawick (not Isabella A*y, ;)
Dau: Mary GALLOCHER 6, Scholar, b Hawick
Dau: Sarah GALLOCHER 2, b Hawick
Son: John GALLOCHER 6 mths, b Hawick
Father-In-Law: John McMANUS 69,(occ)------------?, b Ireland
Boarder: James DUSS?? 50, Tailor Journeyman, b Dundee
From Family Search - BIRTHS:
Father: James GALLACHER (GALAGHER)
Mother: Mary McMANNUS
All Born Hawick Roxburgshire:
Catherine GALAGHAR b 11 Jul 1860
Sarah GALAGHER, b 26 Jan 1862
James GALLACHER b 17 Dec 1863
Mary GALAGHER, b 27 Mar 1865
James GALAGHER b 26 Oct 1866
Sarah GALAGHER b 26 Oct 1868
John GALAGHER b 13 Oct 1870.
The 1881 Census in full, is more interesting, as it indicates Mary is the mother of a FORREST child born 1873/74 in England - Thomas' child?
CENSUS 1881: 7 Round Close, Hawick Roxburgshire
Parish 789/ ED17 /Pg 24/ HS 95
Head: Mary McMANNERS or GALLACHER 40, licensed Hawker (small wares) b Hawick
Dau: Catherine GALLACHER 20, Licensed Hawker, b Hawick
Dau: Mary GALLACHER 16, Licensed Hawker, b Hawick
Dau: Sarah GALLACHER 12, School, b Hawick
Son: Thomas FORREST 7, School, b Borgland, Northumberland
Gr-Dau: Mary GALLACHER 2 , b Hawick
Boarder: Thomas FORREST 51, licensed Hawker (small wares) b West Calder, Midlothian
Unsure about 'Borgland' but FreeBMD has 2 possible birth Rego:
Dec Qtr 1873: Thomas FORREST, reg: Bellingham 10b, pg 312
Dec Qtr 1874: Thomas FORREST, reg: Berwick 10b, pg 411
Of the two, I think the Bellingham one more likley. As the Berwick one seems to be on Census in England (parents are English, and named Thomas & Mary Ann).
However, there are a number of Thomas GALLAGHER (& var) Birth regos in Northumberland too, which could be him.
Cheers
AMBLY
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CENSUS 1891: 7 Round Close, Hawick Roxburgshire
Ref: Parish 789/ ED1 / Pg 26/ HS 112
Head: Mary GALLACHER,50 Hawker
Boarder: Thomas FORREST, 61, Hawker
The son Thomas FORREST, might be this one in
1891: Wellington Reformatory Farm School, Pencuick, Midlothian
Ref: Parish 697 / Pg 3/ HS1
Thomas FORREST 17, Scholar, b England
This looks like Mary in 1901, on her own still in Hawick.
CENSUS 1901: 4 Tannage Close, Hawick , Roxburgshire
Ref: Parish 789 ED1 / Pg30 / HS 177
Head: Mary GALACHER 62, Small Drapery Hawker, b Hawick
And son Thomas FORREST, might be this one:
1901: Carlisle Rd (caravan) (near To Lady Ann's Cott), New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Parish: 651, ED17/ pg 16 / HS73
Head: Thomas FORREST 28, Hawker, b England
Wife: Christina FORREST 27, Hawker, b England
Son: Thomas FORREST 4, b Stenhousemuir, Stirlingshire
Would be looking for first: :
Death of Thomas FORREST (b abt 1830)i n Hawick between 1891 and 1901, to see who his parents may be. Who informant was. And who any wife might have been.
Birth of Thomas FORREST in 1873/74 Northumberland, to see who his parents are listed as.
Cheers
AMBLY
The Bellingham Thomas, might have a WW1 record - just having a look now....
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The Thomas FORREST b Bellingham abt 1873 who is in WW1 records (Scots Fusiliers):
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBL-Z77X
In 1901, this Thomas has a wife named Margaret & 3 children age 4, 2 and 6mths; and lives in Lasswade, Midlothian, a Coal Miner.
If it became a probability that your Thomas FORREST b 1830 is the man who seemingly had a child born in Bellingham area by Mary GALLACHER/MsMANNUS - then the marriage record of this Thomas to Margaret (who was b Lanarkshire) should determine his parents for purposes of inclusion or elimination :)
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly,
Good Morning and my thanks and gratitude for all your research.
I shall now delight in tackling the jigsaw......there are so many pieces ::).......but the overall opinion I gleaned from your information, at a glance so to speak, is that you may have provided the answer. I will let you know later today hopefully. The one area I have not yet managed to understand completely is his second period of servitude and the various transfers involved, Wakefield and Chatham, for instance, and then his eventual release ???.
Once again my thanks
BAC3
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At his conviction he stated his father, James FORREST, was a Tailor or Sailor (bad transcription) and lived at Camel's Close, Cannongate, Edinburgh.
Looking at the 1845 precognition record(National Records of Scotland) maybe
Thomas Forrest, son of James Forrest, porter, Address: Campbell's Close, Canongate, Edinburgh
AD14/45/316
ev
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Ambly,
Oh dear :'(...........I have hit a snag, but possibly another piece of the jigsaw.
I mentioned not understanding completely his second term of servitude but now I have probably resolved the problem. He was transported to Western Australia aboard the Clara, arriving Fremantle 13/04/1864. He was given his Certificate of Freedom on 07/01/1871 at Bunbury and during the previous 7 years had worked as a Labourer, General Servant, Splitter, "Worked for self 1870" (unspecified), his known areas Fremantle and Wellington.
He almost certainly re-appears in the UK before the 1881 Census (the profile is so close a resemblance!!), and other than the birth of Thomas in 1873/1874 (could he be the father??) which adds that modicum of doubt, I need to ascertain details of when he left WA.
I feel thoroughly justified in feeling I have the right person as the information you retrieved provides a perfect scenario into which he fits ::)
Take care
BAC3
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ev,
Thank you.
The transcription errors seemed to have affected Campbell's Close too in favour of Camel's Close!!
Otherwise Porter, Sailor, Tailor.....?
BAC3