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VILLAGE STREET SCENE Hillside buildings. UK LOCATION help, please
Hello!
Any ideas please as to the location of this
POSTCARD CROSSROADS SCENE Hampstead postmark
Dated 1905 view. looking down into a dip with brick built properties.
Left four houses then a property with facade and pub sign which looks like BELL (Cannot quite make out the other words). Building further on past crossroad. looks like another public house (possibly it's sign, on a post, on other side of the road). Here also is a finger post road sign and a lamp post. Just here is a circular gated construction with slated roof. Is it a well?
Towards the camera on the right is "THE WHEATSHEAF INN" (opposite the horse & cart). Next door is a small row of properties one being a shop with the name HANSON above with possibly the initial "S". looks to be a general store.
There is a GB EVII ½d postage stamp on the reverse with a HAMPSTEAD S.O.N.W. 1905 postmark. Addressee in Margate by the name of Reynolds. Senders name "Lill". No clues in the message.
Don't think one is going to take long!
With thanks~001uk
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Do you have any family members who were living in the area of Hampstead or is it one you have picked up?
My question is for a guide to whether the family were there at time of date on the pic.
Annie
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Would the address help?
West End, Northleach, Gloucestershire
Annie
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Um, I'm really confused now, Annie.
Are you suggesting that the place is Northleach? While there is a Wheatsheaf Inn in Northleach, there is no resemblance to the postcard. Postcard shows all brick, Northleach is lots of honey Cotswold stonework, narrow street, and no pretty covered structure.
Could that be a well? :-\
Nell
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Am I missing something?
There is a GB EVII ½d postage stamp on the reverse with a HAMPSTEAD S.O.N.W. 1905 postmark
Isn't it likely that it is around that area, people don't usually buy postcards and then post them elsewhere do they?
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There are a lot of public houses called "The Wheatsheaf Inn". Locating a trade magazine for 1905 for the Hanson's business might be easier. :-\
Yes, you would expect a postcard posted in Hampstead to be of Hampstead, though I have a couple where this isn't the case. Still, it would be the first place to search.
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I note that there is a Cross on the top of the roof of the gated structure.
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Do you have any family members who were living in the area of Hampstead or is it one you have picked up?
My question is for a guide to whether the family were there at time of date on the pic.
Annie
Hi Annie, This is a view I have acquired.No family connection
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Um, I'm really confused now, Annie.
Are you suggesting that the place is Northleach? While there is a Wheatsheaf Inn in Northleach, there is no resemblance to the postcard. Postcard shows all brick, Northleach is lots of honey Cotswold stonework, narrow street, and no pretty covered structure.
Could that be a well? :-\
Nell
Hi Neil, I'm confused also! In My description I asked: ......
"a circular gated construction with slated roof. Is it a well"? . It looks like one.
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Am I missing something?
There is a GB EVII ½d postage stamp on the reverse with a HAMPSTEAD S.O.N.W. 1905 postmark
Isn't it likely that it is around that area, people don't usually buy postcards and then post them elsewhere do they?
Indeed groom! (Which is why I didn't think it should be too difficult. Furthermore, there are quite a few strong clues. I don't know the area and without knowing the specific shop trade HANSON was in and with so many Wheatsheaf pubs I need help!
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There are a lot of public houses called "The Wheatsheaf Inn". Locating a trade magazine for 1905 for the Hanson's business might be easier. :-\
Yes, you would expect a postcard posted in Hampstead to be of Hampstead, though I have a couple where this isn't the case. Still, it would be the first place to search.
Thanks Ruskie. Do you know of a Trade Magazine? Without knowing which trade it's impossible. Possibly easier going via the Census. If it was a Drapers I would be OK as I have a directory for all things Textile. However, as it's probably a general store catering for everything for the village I'm afraid I'd have to pass on that one!
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When I zoom into the image (on iPad), I lose a lot of definition and can't see "Hanson" on the sign. Can you scan the sign please?
I had a quick look but can't see any Hansons in the 1901 census. I haven't looked elsewhere yet.
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4
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The structure could be a pinfold but it's rather a small one. I have seen some as small as this though.
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Is that Hampstead in London?
There are Hanson on the 1881 in Hampstead, Middlesex, London.
There's a Reginald who is an Alderman wholesale grocer.
J.
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Would the address help?
West End, Northleach, Gloucestershire
Annie
This totally confused me but now I see it! Annie must have replied to the wrong thread by accident!
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I found a Hanson family in 1901 in Hamstead he was a carpenter and joiner. The address where they were living looked nothing like that though when I checked on maps and Google Earth. They were at
31, Sumatra Road, Hampstead.
The earlier grocer one though may be a good clue.
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Here is a very detailed history of Hampstead. It may give a clue to someone familiar with the area.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/middx/vol9/pp15-33
Reference:
T F T Baker, Diane K Bolton and Patricia E C Croot, 'Hampstead: Hampstead Town', in A History of the County of Middlesex: Volume 9, Hampstead, Paddington, ed. C R Elrington (London, 1989), pp. 15-33. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/middx/vol9/pp15-33 [accessed 3 September 2016].
"The principal parish well, Kingswell, in the heart of the old town and probably associated with the town pond west of High Street, in which a woman drowned in 1274"
J.
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I've just found another Hampstead up Manchester way, in New Hampshire.
Jamjar
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I've just found another Hampstead up Manchester way, in New Hampshire.
Jamjar
It's the English Hampstead though, as it had a British stamp and postmark on.
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I've just found another Hampstead up Manchester way, in New Hampshire.
Jamjar
New Hampshire, isn't that America? We need someone who can identify which Hampstead it is by the post mark Hampstead S.O.N.W.
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I've just found another Hampstead up Manchester way, in New Hampshire.
Jamjar
New Hampshire, isn't that America? We need someone who can identify which Hamstead it is by the post mark Hamstead S.O.N.W.
SO NW stands for Sorting Office, North West (London)
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Silly me. :-[
I found Hampshire Historical Society on Facebook and looked at their map. There I saw Hampstead, Manchester, Nottingham.
If I had scrolled the map upwards I would have spotted BOSTON. ;D
Jamjar
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Had I had scrolled the map upwards I would have spotted BOSTON. ;D
Which is, of course, in Lincolnshire!
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So it seems as if, unless for some strange reason the person bought a postcard elsewhere and posted it in Hampstead, London that's where we need to look.
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Behind the "pinfold" are three signs. Is there anything discernable on the street sign?
I'd never heard of a pinfold before, but there do seem to be 'bars' around it. I learn something new every day on rootschat. :)
I originally thought the small structure might contain watering troughs for animals, but I don't think that's right ....
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Bovingdon is a possibility. Not far from Hampstead (20 plus miles or so), and people do buy postcards of places they visit and write them up when they get home and then post them.
I don't know how to post links so can't show the scene I am referring to unfortunately.
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Re my previous post. I found the possibility on website "Our Dacorum" Towns and Villages. Bovingdon. 2nd photo on top line.
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The second house on the left has a sign over the door - is that legible on the original?
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Francis Frith
http://www.francisfrith.com/bovingdon/bovingdon-high-street-and-the-ryder-memorial-c1965_b409012
The Wheatsheaf
http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/hertfordshire/bovingdon_wheatsheaf.html
Well done, Rhododendron
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Well done Rhododendron - Bovingdon, Herts looks like the one - in this photo the Bell Inn is visible
http://www.ourdacorum.org.uk/images/uploaded/scaled/Stg00109_Ud3.jpg
http://www.ourdacorum.org.uk/page_id__101.aspx
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More old pictures here
http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/places/places-b/bovingdon/bovingdon.htm
The structure is the Ryder Memorial Well
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Might the shopkeeper be Wilson rather than Hanson? Harry Wilson had a grocery/drapery shop in Village Street in Bovingdon. Apologies that's not right
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Brilliant find Rhododendron.
I'm not sure if this link will work but you can find the same viewpoint on google maps streetview:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ifs/
(sadly a few changes, most noticeably the lovely buildings on the near right have gone ... :'( )
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The shopkeeper is Alfred Hinson , draper, per the 1901 census
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Thanks Ruskie. It's not often I can help in some way, so pleased I could on this occasion.
And yes the Google view did work. And it looks great. Thanks.
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Well done Rhododendron, what a great find.
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Well that's excellent R. Now I can sleep tonight.
Does that prove that folk do buy postcards and take them elsewhere to post them? ;)
I know I'm guilty in that dept.
Jamjar
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Well that's excellent R. Now I can sleep tonight.
Does that prove that folk do buy postcards and take them elsewhere to post them? ;)
I know I'm guilty in that dept.
Jamjar
Do people still send postcards today? With the price of postage I expect most people just stick a photo on Facebook. ;D
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Do people still send postcards today? With the price of postage I expect most people just stick a photo on Facebook. ;D
Of course they do! ;D
They send them to RootsChat, as per Trystan's request! ;D ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/postcard.php
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Well done, Rhododendron. With some precise terms to search for I've found a very similar view, plus some village history, here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~burgin/bovingdon.htm
Arthur
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Do people still send postcards today? With the price of postage I expect most people just stick a photo on Facebook. ;D
Fortunately, yes. I collect them and I have a lovely friend in England who sends them regularly. Also have a cousin in Scotland who me sends some. My fridge is well decorated. ;D
I do my best to return some, but rarely go anywhere new these days.
J.
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Thanks Arthur.
And that's a super photo - much better than the one I found!
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Well done, and great photos.
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My friend visited China in April. She said she couldn't find a Post Office so posted it on her return home to Gloucestershire! Someone subsequently told her she could have got a stamp from her hotel!
I don't mind where it was posted as I now have a lovely postcard showing 5 baby Giant Pandas (aah).
Cheers
Giggsy
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When I zoom into the image (on iPad), I lose a lot of definition and can't see "Hanson" on the sign. Can you scan the sign please?
I had a quick look but can't see any Hansons in the 1901 census. I haven't looked elsewhere yet.
http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/map/collection/p16445coll4
Hi Ruskie,
Have zoomed in and scanned at 3200dpi and tried enhancing. Now I look at the tinkered image it could be HINSON.
A quick look on the 1911 Census and there was one George Alexander HINSON at Hampstead...but twenty eight with the name HANSON
(BTW the whole image doesn't appear on the page: try clicking onto CROSSROADS SCENE.jpg under image. The shop is at the extreme right).
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I've just found another Hampstead up Manchester way, in New Hampshire.
Jamjar
Hi Jamjar, Many thanks. The HAMPSTEAD postmark is that on London - North West. Cancelled at the Sorting Office there Hence "HAMPSTEAD S.O.N.W."
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Thank you VERY much to everyone for your help/input ESPECIALLY Rhododendron who cracked it. BRILLIANT!
So it was a Well - The Ryder Memorial Well.
Thanks again!
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Just to clarify for you,it is Alfred Hinson(draper) at Bovingdon,where the Wheatsheaf proved to be,who would have been the shopkeeper,as per ShaunJ's reply.
Regards
Roger
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Now I look at the tinkered image it could be HINSON.
It's definitely Hinson. See reply 34
I'm thinking that the postcard could have been bought in Hampstead as simply a "pretty village" card.
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And the area is now flooded after heavy rain overnight!
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Pictures of water surrounding the well here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37383618
Nell