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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: warrawillah on Wednesday 14 September 16 16:36 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I have a convict, William Pacey, tried in Nottingham Town Assizes on 25 May 1827, for larceny. He was subsequently transported to Sydney, NSW in 1828, on board the Countess of Harcourt. (Not to be confused with a convict of the same name, also from Nottingham, who was transported on the Adamant. a few years earlier.)
He also had a couple of prior convictions for larceny in 1825 and 1826.
I was wondering if there are court records available as I would like to know what he had stolen.
Thank you,
Marie in Sydney.
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I cant find anything for the two earlier convictions but in 1827 he was convicted for stealing Handkerchiefs!
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hi marie
at the april sessions 1820 he received 10 weeks in prison and whipped
at the oct sessions 1825 he received 3 months in prison
at the lent assizes 1826 he received 1 year in prison
at the april sessions 1827 he received 7 years transportation for stealing handkerchiefs .
regards
trevor
ps the first 3 records only have larceny as a charge
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A lad called William Pacey, "not above 14 years", was convicted in 1819 of stealing potatoes in Sneinton.
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Thank you Forte, Trevor and Anne for researching William Pacey for me.
I don't think the one in 1819 is him as he would have only been 7-10 (born 1809-1812) and the same for the 1820 one. These are possibly William Pacey transported in 1821 per Andromeda.
I'm pretty sure the 1825 and 26 ones are him and the 1827 one definitely is.
Would there have been a market for stolen handkerchiefs? Were they silk I wonder. I wish I knew what else he had stolen.
His father's name is given on his DC in 1850 as Samuel Pacey. The only birth I could find is to Samuel P and Elizabeth Loach, but this is 1797, too early for our William. If someone has access to early parish registers I would appreciate a look-up thank you.
Marie in Sydney
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should have mentioned the records i posted were all for notts court records .
regards
trevor
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Thank you for clarifying that Trevor.
Marie
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there are 18 baptisms for William Pac*y on NFHS 1810 +- 10yrs only 2 have a father called Samuel
Nottingham St Mary
7-6-1811 William son of Samuel & Elizabeth Pacey
East Stoke St Oswald
7-6-1813 William son of Samuel & Hannah Pacey abode Stoke father a blacksmith.
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Thank you for this information. It is much appreciated.
I found a William born to Samuel and Elizabeth Loach but it was in 1797.
I could not find any other parents of this name having children so I wonder if the first William died and they named another baby William in 1811.
I was hoping you might have the ability o do a search for all children born to S and E between 1796 and 1811. Is that possible please?
Many thanks,
Marie
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Baptisms Nottingham St Mary parents Samuel & Elizabeth Pacey
10-12-1799 William
23-7-1801 Joshua
7-11-1802 John
4-4-1804 Harriot
3-11-1805 Samuel
30-9-1807 Ann
7-6-1811 William
Burials St Mary
2-1-1810 William Pacey (notes son of Samuel)
16-11-1802 Joshua Pacey son of Samuel
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NFHS is not bringing up a marriage for a Samuel Pacey and Elizabeth Loach, I only have
Gedling All Hallows
21-11-1797 Samuel LACEY and Elizabeth Loach
They are having children in Gedling from 1798- 1814
Looking at Ancestry trees they have the Gedling couple as parents of William, but the Gedling couple were not baptising children in Nottingham St Mary. So a problem there.
There is a Samuel Lacey buried in Gedling 27-4-1827 aged 54 abode Stoke and
Elizabeth Lacey buried Gedling 31-5-1837 aged 64 also living Stoke.
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Thanks larkspur,
What a find. Thank you so much. So if I'm reading you correctly, it looks like these are two different couples? William Lacey not William Pacey was married to Elizabeth Loach? Do the Lacey and Pacey children have different names? You don't think it could be a transcription error?
Marie
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Gedling All Hallows baptisms parents Samuel & Elizabeth Lacey
6-3-1798 Joseph abode Carlton
8-6-1800 Mary abode Stoke
19-9-1802 Abraham ""
7-4-1805 Sarah ""
2-5-1807 John ""
14-111809 Elizabeth ""
6-4-1812 Ann ""
20-12-1814 Hannah ""
Two different families.
"William Lacey not William Pacey"
SAMUEL
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Thank you for clarifying that. I knew there was something wrong but couldn't work it out. Many on Ancestry have the wrong info which is why I needed to be sure. Your help is appreciated.
Marie in Sydney.
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The problem being Marie, one person generates the information and others copy it without checking, and before long it has become fact.
You are very welcome ;)