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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: Dingaling on Thursday 15 September 16 07:11 BST (UK)
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I have located a marriage for Robert W Evans (Roy) b 1913 who married a Bronwen Lewis in 1935 at St John Rhosllannerchrugog Wrexham and I am wanting further details on the marriage to verify that it may belong to my family. Can anybody help as where the church records are held.
Kind Regards
Dingaling
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GenUKI for Rhosllanerchrugog says:
The following Parish Registers have been deposited at the Denbighshire Record Office, Ruthin.
They may be viewed on microfilm at the Denbighshire and Flintshire Record Offices, at the A.N. Palmer Library, Wrexham, and at the National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth.
These microfilms are not available elsewhere.
Baptisms Marriages Burials
1853 - 1906 1854 - 1930 1853 - 1920
There are no Bishop's Transcripts for St. John's, Rhosllanerchrugog.
There are no official I.G.I. entries for St. John's, Rhosllanerchrugog.
So, it might be best to purchase the Marriage Certificate?
Or contact Denbighshire Record Office?
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Thank you KGarrad for your reply and for the information on the different records that are available. Cheers Kay P
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Hi Kay
If you have their dates of birth (or approximations), you could check them up on the 1939 Register (available on FindMyPast http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1939-register ).
We're not allowed to do look ups from that register but I think a search might be worthwhile.
Gadget
PS - my Rhos marriages booklet only goes to 1906 :(
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Thank you Gadget for your reply. Yes I was searching for my Robert W Evans b 1913 when I came across the 1939 registry. I have been looking for a Robert William Evans b 1913 Senghenydd Wales who was given to a relative after the Senghenydd Mine Disaster on 14th October 1913 and the death of his father in the mine. My Robert William Evans b 1913 was believed also to be called Roy. So that is one reason why I was drawn to the entry and was trying to define the details on the 1935 marriage certificate. Unfortunately the only details of his spouse is that her name was Bronwen Lewis. I dont have a birth year for Bronwen.
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I was successful in looking up the 1939 Registry on FindMyPast for a Robert W Evans (Roy) b 1913 and his wife Bronwen and anxiously waiting for the marrriage certificate to further my research and make a one hundred percent match. The date of birth matches the birth cert that I have for my R W Evans who was fostered (given) to an aunt after the death of his father in the Senghenyyd Mine Disaster of 14th October 1913. Family has always referred to Robert William Evans as Roy. A big thank you to all for help that I received. Cheers
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Did you find any death records for Roy and Bronwen? I had a look a few days ago but couldn't find anything that were close-ish matches to their DofBs.
Added - I started looking through Wills/Probate but there are lots!
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Hi Gadget, I have been searching for Robert and Bronwen Evans records without any result. No deaths,WW2 records that I can relate to or other records. Maybe they migrated but if it was during a war not many people would have travelled. Robert and Bronwen Evans may have moved to Scotland or Ireland but a general search would have shown up other records relating to this. Robert William Evans (Roy) b 21 10 1913 is listed as a aircraft inspector in the Sept 1939 Register. I am waiting on their marriage certificate for more information if R W Evans was in the forces the marriage certificate would mention this. Bronwen Evans mother Charlotte A Lewis who lived next door to Bronwen Evans died in 1940.
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I have searched the Family Search Records and located a death of a John Samuel Lewis b 2.2.1907(8) died Dec1986 Wrexham Maelor V 24 Page 1196 and a
Marian Lewis b 4.6.1903 (same as 1939 Register) who died June 1970 8A 227 Line 66. John Samuel Lewis and Marian Lewis would be siblings of Bronwen Lewis who married Robert William (Roy) Evans.
Would the death certificate be the only way of finding more details on the above death entries.
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What information are you hoping to find on a Death Certificate?
Those from England & Wales don't have much info ::)
See: http://home.claranet.co.uk/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm
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I was hoping to make a definite connection in proving that John Samuel and Marian Lewis are the siblings of Bronwen and the whereabouts the family lived. The 1939 Register has Charlotte A Lewis and her siblings John Samuel and Marian at Rhosllanerchrugog Denbigh.
Robert William Evans b 21.10.1913 at Senghenydd Glamorganshire is the son of Robert William Evans bc 1875. The 1911 census for R W Evans b1875 only states that he was born in North Wales (no town or parish). So I am interested in finding and locating all connecting families hoping to find the family of Robert William Evans bc1875.
The marriage of Robert William Evans bc 1875 states that his fathers name is Robert Evans a farmer (Farrier). Robert Evans married Emma Hughes nee Coleman.
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Have you tried looking for John Samuel Lewis bn c1908 with mother Charlotte in 1911 - that will answer your query on his siblings
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Hi Rosie, Yes I have the 1911 census. The family were living at Hylton Street Bedlinog.
Thanks for your reply and helpful information. Cheers
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I was hoping to make a definite connection in proving that John Samuel and Marian Lewis are the siblings of Bronwen and the whereabouts the family lived.
For the benefit of those searching does that mean you have confirmed this information
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I was hoping to make a definite connection in proving that John Samuel and Marian Lewis are the siblings of Bronwen and the whereabouts the family lived. The 1939 Register has Charlotte A Lewis and her siblings John Samuel and Marian at Rhosllanerchrugog Denbigh.
Hi Dingaling
I thought you'd found all the Lewis family together on the 1911 the other week*. If not it would be worth searching for them on that census.
Gadget
*see from previous messages that you had :-\
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Hi again, Dingaling
If the birthdates on the death register match to your 1939 register finds and they're on the 1911 with Bronwen, then I'd thik that was a fair amount of proof.
Only other way is to get their birth certs as I think they were non-conformist.
Gadget
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Just found a probate entry for John Samuel Lewis of Ruabon, Wrexham (granted 1987, Liverpool, registry) so you could obtain his will:
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
It would cost £10.
Not found one for Marion so far.
Added - information from nursing records suggest that Marion was also known as Mair Lewis
Gadget
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Thank you Gadget for the information. The probate, will site will be a handy tool. The christian name of Marion has several different spellings. My confidence is growing in establishing the Evans and Lewis family.
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Thank you Rosie for your post. Yes I am confident thar John Samuel Lewis and Marion (Marian) lewis belong to Charlotte a Lewis and Bronwen Lewis (Evans). I find that certificates are necessary to prove beyond any doubt of a connection.
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I don't think the death certs will give you much info, Kay.
A full death record will give you:
Name
Date and place of death
Date and place of birth (before 1969 a certificate only showed the age of the deceased)
Occupation
Abode
Cause of death
The person who gave the information for the death registration
If you want to be sure of the family relationships, it would be best to get their birth certs to confirm parents' names.
There might be obituaries in the Wrexham Leader newspaper, for e,g. but I don't have access that recently.
Gadget
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Thanks you Gadget, I usually only send away for certificates on my family tree direct line. Eg marriage cert of R W Evans and Bronwen Lewis. From australia the certs are eighteen dollars so a copy of a will would be about twenty five. I will try the newspapers and see if there are any obit notices for john Samuel Lewis and if I dont find any leads on R W Evans then the Will for J S Lewis would be my next opsion for kin.
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I have just received the marriage certificate of Robert William Evans and Bronwen Lewis dated 9th November 1935 which was solemnized at the Parish Church of Rhosllanergrugog in the county of Denbigh.
The details on the certificate states are.
Robert William Evans age 22 years a bachelor. Trade a Mechanic. Residence Smith Street Rhos. Fathers name John Edward Evans a labourer.
Bronwen Lewis was 25 a spinster no occupation residence 120 Cynghorfan. Fathers name Samuel Lewis (Plasterer) deceased.
Witnesses Thomas Roberts and Mair Lewis.
The Vicar J Lewis Edwards.
My reason for the certificate is that I am looking for my husbands uncle Robert William Evans (Roy) b 21st October 1913 who was given to an aunt after the death of his father Robert William Evans bc 1875 at the Senghenydd Mine disaster of 14th October 1913.
The 1939 registry gives a Robert William Evans (Roy) b 21st October 1913 living at Rhosllanerchrugog with his wife Bronwen.
I dont know if there is a connection with the R W Evans located in the 1939 registry and the R W Evans b 1913 Senghenydd Glamorgan Wales that I am trying to trace.
Hoping that someone may be able to help me with my research.
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Just a quick note on Robert William Evans (Roy)
that
Christian and surname and known name (Roy) and date of birth are a perfect match to the R W Evans located in the 1939 Registry.
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It's all tied up nicely, then. Glad you've got a match :)
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Yes I am pleased that I found a excellent match but as you know family research never stops.
I am now researching the father noted on the marriage cert John Edward Evans a labourer to see if he was the adopted or fostered family of R W Evans b 1913. Any suggestions I will gladly accept.
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My first guess as to John Edward Evans would be that he was a close relative. Have you followed R W Evans' father's family further back?
Added - have you found Robert William Evans, snr on the 1911/1901 to see his place of birth,etc.?
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Robert William Evans bc 1875 1911 census says that he was born North Wales (no town listed) and that he could speak both Welsh and English.
I cant find R W Evans in any previous census as I dont have the detail to find a match. The surname Evans is a popular name in Wales.
RW Evans (age 25) marriage cert in 1907 to Emma Hughes maiden name Coleman says that his fathers name was Robert Evans and that he was a farmer. R W Evans in 1907 was living in Llanbradach Glamorganshire and was a coal miner. On one of his childrens birth cert RW Evans name has been listed as William Robert Evans and his age is listed incorrectly.
Thought if I could trace one of the witnesses or John Edward Evans I may find my link to the family of Robert William Evans bc 1875. I did find a John Edward Evans b 1868 Llansilin Wales who had a brother Robert William Evans b 1871 Pool Quay Montgomeryshire but not sure if I am on the right track.
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I've had a quick look through but only listings as I'm busy today - found possibles in Holywell and Rhyl RDs.
I'll try to follow up on searches this evening.
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Think I've found them both in the 1881 - Llansilin. Is that the one that you've looked at? RW is B. 1871. Mother Elizabeth (widw)
RG11/5498/13/1
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Yes that is the 1881 census that I located. I will have to locate the census for 1891 and 1901 and 1911 to make sure. It could be that brother John Edward Evans a uncle fostered R W Evans b 1913 and that is why his name is listed on the marriage cert. Trying to find Elizabeth Evans maiden name feel that she married an Evans around 1867.
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Robert William Evans b 1871 Pool Quay Montgomeryshire is listed in the 1911 census. So it is not possible that he belongs to my Evans family as I have my Robert William Evans bc 1875 in the 1911 census at Senghenydd Wales.
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The date of birth matches the birth cert that I have for my R W Evans who was fostered (given) to an aunt after the death of his father in the Senghenyyd Mine Disaster of 14th October 1913.
I've just found this again from earlier in the thread. Just wondering which side the aunt came from and whether she was a 'full' aunt or married a brother of oneof his parents?
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Family myth has it was an Aunt but I am open minded as the Coleman (mothers maiden name) has been researched extensively but as a researcher I am open minded as time does tarnish the memory. Many thanks for your help all is very much appreciated. I will keep searching FindMyPast, Ancestry and Family Search as records are being transcribed all the time.
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The 1939 Registry has lifted a black out line on the family of Robert William (Roy) EVANS and his wife Bronwen EVANS. a son John R L Evans born 6.2.1937 is listed. So I am one more step closer to locating the above family.
All is looking good.
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After 104 years of not knowing what happened to Baby Robert William (Roy) Evans b 1913 Senghenydd who was fostered out after the death of his father contact has been made with Roys family in NSW Australia. Roy was (cared, fostered, adopted) by his Uncle John Edward Evans. I have the marriage cert of Roy dated 1935 at Rhosllanerchrugog Wales and it names his father as John Edward Evans a labourer and this is all that I know to date except that he was an Uncle.
I have a newspaper clipping of the wedding which gives an address for John Edward Evans as Bryn Madoc Gwynfryn Wales.
I am looking for records that may help me further my research into John E Evans and the Evans family and hopefully connect with the census records.
Does anybody know of Electoral rolls etc that may help identify John Edward Evans alive in 1935.