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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Smokey807 on Thursday 15 September 16 12:20 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate some assistance. I wish to establish if her husband was Joseph Bassett, the son of Joseph Bassett and Mary Howlett, who was born 1850 at Swaffham,Norfolk (birth reg there 2nd qtr 1850). He was baptised May 29,1850 in parish of Gooderstone,Norfolk. In 1897 he had married Jane Gilbson and with her had several children. Jane died in 1921 and Joseph died in 1936 at Yorkshire East Riding.
I have a marriage record of a Joseph Bassett to a Marcella M. Roughton 4th qtr 1934 at Sculcoates, East Riding Yorkshire vol 9d pg 507. Also have a death for Marcella M. Bassett born 1897 death reg 2nd qtr 1938 age 41 Yorkshire East Riding.
I have not been able to find out anything else about Marcella. If the Joseph Bassett she married matches the Joseph Bassett I am interested in as described above then please provide any other information you can find for her. If her husband is not " my" Joseph Bassett please confirm.
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S is it Marcella you are following, or the Joseph Bassett from Swaffham?
If you get the marriage cert it will give you the father's names.
Have you looked for a Will for Joseph to see if he leaves a widow Marcella? Is Marcella the informant on his death cert?
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Hello 'Lizdb'
I am interested in Marcella only if her husband matches the details I gave for the Joseph Bassett on my tree.
I know I can order a death certificate for her but I need to establish first if she is the wife of the Joseph Bassett I gave details for, otherwise ordering it would be a waste of time and money. I have spent a lot of money ordering certificates for other possible relatives only to find they were no good to me.
No will found for my Joseph Bassett and no burial information either. Just a death registration record.
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Sometimes you need to order certs etc to establish the facts though!
If you are following Joseph, and want to know if he has a second marriage to this Marcella, then best to order the marriage cert. No point ordering her death cert as you say, especially as she died after your Joseph - it would be his death cert to get, and he is related!
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Apart from ordering certificates at a big expense there must be another way of finding out the answer to my inquiry.
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Hi
Did you see there were two marriages for a Joseph Bassett in Hull. The other one was
1932 married Blanche Brook (Registry Office or Registrar attended)
The marriage with Marcella took place in Registry Office or Registrar attended
http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
The chances of any on-line records to help is zero I would guess.
By th way, Do you have the details of his previous marriage to Jane and children from that marriage?
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Hi I believe you will find Marcella M as Marcella Muriel Longstaff b 1897 Hull, she married a John E Roughton March qtr 1918 Sculcoates 9d 259 as MARCELLE M Longstaff
Keyboard86
EDIT The baptism of Marcella appears to have the wrong year of birth namely:-
Born 7th July 1895 Marcella MURIAL Longstaff (Registration Sept qtr 1896 ) baptism 11th May 1902 Hull, Holy Trinity Father Edward Stead Longstaff occ Surgeon/Dentist and Mother Phoebe abode 13, Claremont Terrace, Day Street
Edward Stead Longstaff died Dec qtr 1895 Sculcoates 9d 151 aged 35
There is a record for him on the Probate Calender he died 16th December 1896?? at 23, Caroline Place, Kingston-upon-Hull occ Dentist Admin York to Phoebe Longstaff Widow Effects £44
Marcella appears to have had a " thing" for older men, as a John E Roughton died June qtr 1931 Sculcoates 9d 211 aged 57
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Yes 'Goughy' I have the details of Joseph's marriage to Jane Gibson and their children. Its just information about other marriages he may have had that is of interest to me.
Thank you all for your replies to my inquiry.
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Sorry if my post didn't make it clear. Joseph was married BEFORE he married Jane to someone called "Mary", and on the census return he had a couple of children.
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Yes Joseph did wed a Mary before Jane and with her had three children. Mary died sometime after the 1891 census and when Joseph wed Jane Gibson in 1897. Mary was given in census records as born 1846 Bonnyhead,Scotland, Just she and Joseph (no children) were living together at 13 Chapel Terrace Yorkshire at the time of the 1891 census and with their children Louisa and Elizabeth at 153 Glasgow Street, Sculcoates,Yorkshire in the 1881 census. Based on the birth dates of the children born to Mary and Joseph Basset they were married no later than 1872. Never was able to find out any more about Mary except what was given in the 1881 and 1891 census.
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Death notice in newspaper for Marcella just says "beloved wife of Joseph" and lists the names of her three sisters. (doesn't say wife of late)
By the way, it looks as though Joseph Bassett's son Joseph who was sent to Canada came back to Hull. Newspaper reports in 1929 say he was a stowaway and was handed over to Police. Sadly, there are a number of police reports for Joseph Bassett.
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??? I am confused, so who was the Joseph Bassett who married a Blanche Brook 1932?
Keyboard86
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??? I am confused, so who was the Joseph Bassett who married a Blanche Brook 1932?
Keyboard86
I'm beginning to wonder if Joseph Bassett Snr married Blanche (she still being around later as a widow and now finding Joseph Bassett Jnr returned to Hull is the one who married Marcella.... but only marriage certificates would confirm that.
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Hi again, a Blanche Bassett died Hull 1941 aged 70?
Keyboard86
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She's a widow in '39
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To 'Goughy'
Could you post or send by private message the newspaper articles about the Joseph Basset who returned to Hull. Family lore suggests that he is part of the family I am working on. I believe he is the Joseph Bassett born in Sculcoates, Yorkshire 1912 who came to Canada with his brother Ernest as one of Dr Barnardo's Home children in 1923 with the intention of doing farm work. I have voters lists for a Joseph Bassett at Elgin, Ontario from 1953 to 1965 in which the 1953 record gave him as a watchman but from 1957 onward as retired. Not sure however if this is the same man. Not sure about any marriages for him but the one you gave of a wife looks interesting.
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Here's a brief summary of key points which will confirm this is "your" Joseph.
Hull Daily Mail 16 January 1929
A 16 year old stowaway. Five years ago sent to Canada by a society to work on a farm but due to unpleasantness ran away. Three years wandered from farm to farm. Was anxious to get back to Hull where his father was still alive.
Hull Daily Mail 5 September 1929
Joseph Bassett 20 a labourer residing at Cromwell Terrace, West Parade charged with receiving a gentleman's bicycle ...... Bassett had been to Canada and recently arrived as a stowaway Had been in the army but rheumatism had prevented him from being a competent soldier. Had been doing odd jobs around Hull. Placed on probation for two years.
In February 1930 he was in trouble again and sentence respited for 8 weeks until a full report into his conduct was undertaken.
British Newspaper Archives are available through this link http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Subscriptions can be for one month
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To 'Goughy'
Fantastic. He is definitely the Joseph Basset born 1912 that is on the family tree. I went to the website for the newspaper but I have previously used up my 3 free articles and cant afford to pay 13 pounds for a one month subscription especially since there are only two articles pertaining to him.
I would greatly appreciate it if you would send/post the two articles that refer to him as I still don't know for example what penalty was given out for his stowaway and his bicycle theft charge. Dates of trial etc. All these details are of interest to me and I really need to see the full article. Can you do that for me please ?
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??? I am confused, so who was the Joseph Bassett who married a Blanche Brook 1932?
Keyboard86
I'm beginning to wonder if Joseph Bassett Snr married Blanche (she still being around later as a widow and now finding Joseph Bassett Jnr returned to Hull is the one who married Marcella.... but only marriage certificates would confirm that.
Hi again, about to rejoin your party, also just who is the Joseph Bassett who married an Ada Seaman June qtr 1939 Hull 9d 685
Also the earlier marriage prior to Jane Gibson ie to Mary b Scotland, you are basing the approx marriage date to pre 1873 ( The birth of the first child Louisa in Hull, who died as Louisa Bassett aged 9 Sculcoates) have you located the girls birth registrations yet?
Keyboard86
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To Keyboard 86
I don't have the birth reg's for the daughters of Joseph Bassett and Mary, born 1846 Bonnyhead Scotland just the 1881 and 1891 census. I don't need any information about the children as I have all I need but anything about Mary would be helpful for all I know about her is from the census records.
Like you I have no idea who Ada Seaman is or who the Joseph Bassett was she married.
The only Joseph Bassett's I have an interest in are (1) Joseph Bassett (Snr)(1850-1936) who first wed Mary sometime before 1873birth of first child so say 1872 and then in 1897 wed Mary Gibson (died 1921) and had several children. (2) Joseph Bassett (Jr) born Sculcoates, Yorkshire 1912; turned over to Dr Barnardos Homes in England; sent by Dr Barnarodo's with brother Ernest in 1923 to Dr Barnardos Home in Toronto Ontario Canada; who based on the Hull newspapers worked on some farms in Canada before stowing away back to England on a ship in 1929 when his father Joseph (1850-1936) was still living in Hull, and in 1929-1930 period got in trouble in Hull with the law; then I loose all track of him. Hull newspaper refers to Joseph jr being in the army but since I don't have the article (and perhaps it does not say) I don't know if he was in the Canadian or British army. Newspaper seems to suggest he was not in the army long due to illness or unsuitability. There may be more clues in the 1929/30 Hull newspaper articles that would be helpful such as the name of the ship he stowed away on and some dates.
Unfortunatley the Joseph Bassett marriage records on Ancestry are just registration records unlike the more detailed ones I have seen giving names, ages, occupations,fathers name etc etc which is what one really needs to figure out if the marriage record is pertinent to the person being researched and as you all have seen there are far too many marriage certificates to order and pay for and of course most wont be for "my" Joseph Bassett's"
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To Keyboard 86
I don't have the birth reg's for the daughters of Joseph Bassett and Mary, born 1846 Bonnyhead Scotland just the 1881 and 1891 census. I don't need any information about the children as I have all I need but anything about Mary would be helpful for all I know about her is from the census records.
Like you I have no idea who Ada Seaman is or who the Joseph Bassett was she married.
The only Joseph Bassett's I have an interest in are (1) Joseph Bassett (Snr)(1850-1936) who first wed Mary sometime before 1873birth of first child so say 1872 and then in 1897 wed Mary Gibson (died 1921) and had several children. (2) Joseph Bassett (Jr) born Sculcoates, Yorkshire 1912; turned over to Dr Barnardos Homes in England; sent by Dr Barnarodo's with brother Ernest in 1923 to Dr Barnardos Home in Toronto Ontario Canada; who based on the Hull newspapers worked on some farms in Canada before stowing away back to England on a ship in 1929 when his father Joseph (1850-1936) was still living in Hull, and in 1929-1930 period got in trouble in Hull with the law; then I loose all track of him. Hull newspaper refers to Joseph jr being in the army but since I don't have the article (and perhaps it does not say) I don't know if he was in the Canadian or British army. Newspaper seems to suggest he was not in the army long due to illness or unsuitability. There may be more clues in the 1929/30 Hull newspaper articles that would be helpful such as the name of the ship he stowed away on and some dates.
Unfortunatley the Joseph Bassett marriage records on Ancestry are just registration records unlike the more detailed ones I have seen giving names, ages, occupations,fathers name etc etc which is what one really needs to figure out if the marriage record is pertinent to the person being researched and as you all have seen there are far too many marriage certificates to order and pay for and of course most wont be for "my" Joseph Bassett's"
There is William and Elizabeth Bassett (I think William could possibly brother of Joseph Bassett Snr) having children in Hull, and they had a son Joseph William born 1876, so difficult to pin down which branch of the Bassett family is which without certificates.
Following through census returns, I think Mary is Mary Coultas of Barrhead, Scotland. Don't think Joseph and Mary married????
The name of the ship Joseph was stowaway was White Star Liner Baltic and as indicated in my post the date of the newspaper was 16 Jan 1929. The newspaper reports do not go into any great detail. No details about the Army.
I am perplexed that I can't seem to find birth registrations for Joseph Basset Snr's family????
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Joseph's passenger list record of him being a stowaway show that he landed in Liverpool on 16 January 1929. His address in England as his intended address is given as 5 Filey Parade, Gillett Street, Hull
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Hi as no death has been located for Joseph Bassett b 1912, just wondering if he married the Ada Seaman as their are these two deaths:-
Joseph Bassett b 19th July 1912 died June qtr 1975 Keighley v4 page 0692 aged 62
Ada Bassett b abt 1904 died March qtr 1955 Worth Valley v2c page 46 aged 51
Keyboard86
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and..... interestingly a Joseph Brian Roughton (mother nee Longstaff) born 1934 died in Keighley in 2002. keyboard, I think you have tracked Joseph Bassett born 1912 and he married Marcella and then Ada.
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Thank you all for your help. Looks like I will have to order some certificates to sort out the various marriages of Joseph Bassett senior and junior. You have given me several clues to follow up on.
I appreciate all your contributions to this inquiry.
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:) Hi I do believe the thinking of both Goughy and myself is correct, just a couple of questions, with no apparent birth registrations of the children of Joseph/Mary/Jane and the non appearance of Ernest b c 1905 in 1911, where does the "Family Lore" come into play, why just the boys sent to Barnardos?
Keyboard86
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There were three sisters of Joseph Bassett (b 1912) and his brother Ernest Bassett (b1906)also sent to Barnardo homes in England and then to Barnardo Homes in Canada between 1910 and 1924. A fourth sister married in England and then came to Canada with her husband.
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OK reply not fully answering my original questions above, then again, if there were no birth registrations of these children how are the Bassett lineage aware?
Why if not orphans were they put in Barnardos, why Bassett at marriage/death not at birth, were they baptised?
Keyboard86
EDIT Would I be correct that only Ernest & Joseph survived of the male line, and your objective is to follow the male line only?
;D OK see that there is another thread on the Bassett sisters, how many children are shown as born/died/living to Joseph/Jane on 1911?
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To Keyboard 86
I appreciate your inquiry but the questions you raise are beyond my initial inquiry and answering your questions will not lead to the answer.
As I noted earlier I have made note of everyones responses and now my next step is to order the certificates for Joseph senior and junior. Until I receive and review them there is no point for anyone to continue researching my inquiry. If I need further assistance I will post a new inquiry.
Thank you everyone for your assistance
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:) OK done, only asking?
Keyboard86