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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Leitrim => Topic started by: Windwolvz on Saturday 17 September 16 19:48 BST (UK)
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My great grandfather came to Canada from Ireland in 1904 and while I have a great deal of information on him here, his time back home is a continual work in progress. My query is whether anyone else is researching Caddagh Glebe, his stated townland, and whether they have any information about the area. I am trying to determine the best guess population size for that area, local schools that children would have attended and churches. My grt grandfather would have been there in the 1880s. Any help would be fantastic.
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1911Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Garvagh/Caddagh_Glebe/
1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Garvagh/Caddagh_Glebe/
and you can have a look at Griffith's Valuation
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
If you give us his name we could help some more.
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http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/killanummery.html
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1911Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Garvagh/Caddagh_Glebe/
1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Garvagh/Caddagh_Glebe/
and you can have a look at Griffith's Valuation
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
If you give us his name we could help some more.
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I think it is the Youngs!!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Garvagh/Caddagh_Glebe/654654/
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Yes indeed, it is the Youngs. The problem is, well, that I have an impossible mission that I will never find the answer to and yet have to exhaust all options before I am willing to accept it!! That said, my great grandfather is Robert Young. He came to Canada on the SS Tunisian in 1904 on the same ticket as his wife Edith, George Young, William Faris Hetherington ( Edith's brother ) and Thomas McTernan. All four were to go to Brantford for two years and work on a farm and they did in fact drop off of the map for those two years until Robert and George resurfaced in Toronto in 1906. From that point on I have a ton of information on Robert here in Ontario and in fact I will be meeting a gentleman in October who knew him when he was working in the east end of Toronto. Pretty exciting.
That said, tracing him back through Ireland is very, very challenging. He has stated his place of birth as Cadda / Caddagh Glebe but this is not necessarily true. He told his son, my grandfather, that he was from Sligo. He told him that he was an orphan. Which is the truth? No one left to tell me really. He was gone from Caddagh Glebe during the missing census years showing up in Dundalk come the 1901 census.
The stories from family that were handed down say that he was born in Sligo and orphaned at some point. He was taken in and raised by an aunt and uncle nearby. He states on his marriage registration that his father was George Young but that is questionable too. Is that his real father or perhaps the uncle that raised him?
One thing I do know is that there is an undeniable connection between Robert and the George he came to Canada with. They lived together for the first few years in Toronto in the same house. When George lost his only son in 1907, he purchased a local plot for him to be buried in. In 1910, Robert lost a young daughter and George allowed his son's grave to be unearthed and Robert's daughter interred there alongside George's son. While there is no paper proof yet of a relation between Robert and George there just has to be a link beyond sharing a last name.
So. Sorry for the long post but the backstory leads me to my question. In 1834 in the Griffith's Valuation, there are three Youngs in Cadda which I am sure is Caddagh Glebe. They are Patrick, Henery and James. I just checked the stats from the valuation and the occupation of the townland numbers 30 souls. So three out of thirty are Youngs. I have a ton of docs now regarding these three and am connecting them together; developing the bigger picture of family together in an area. What I am now hoping is if someone can help me identify which schools children of the area would have attended in the hopes of a record somewhere. My gg Robert was well educated. Reading, writing and calculating during his time in Dundalk running a warehouse as a boot merchant.
Thank you for the replies everyone! Encouraging to have others to bounce things off of and share ideas. BTW, good call hallmark! Surprised you figured out the family that quick! Thanks!
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' ... I am trying to determine the best guess population size for that area ... My grt grandfather would have been there in the 1880s ...'
Summary statistics from the Ireland Census 1881 (original returns pulped during WW1)...
Population of Caddagh Glebe:
1841: 124
1851: 125
1861: 86
1871: 89
1881: 75 (42 males / 33 females)
Houses in Caddagh Glebe:
1841: 21
1851: 18
1861: 19
1871: 17
1881: 15 (and 47 out-offices / farmsteadings)
http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/17175/page/458830
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It might have been a first on RC, answering a question before it was asked!! :-))
(22) Mick & Terry McTernan, Caddagh Glebe have tested their DNA, wonder if your Thomas was related!!
http://mctiernan.com/location.htm
Census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__1/Clanbrassil_Street/1560173/ where Tom is a Methodist, age 26.
siblings in Leitrim:
Young William 30 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland
Young Jane 28 Female Sister Church of Ireland
Young George 25 Male Brother Church of Ireland
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ii2/ gets you all C of I Leitrim born Youngs,
note Patrick
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Sligo_West_Urban/Adelaid_Street/1685145/ Shoemaker, as a POSSIBLE father (??)
Young George 25 Male Brother Church of Ireland
Have you Searched Civil Registrations for the 4 "siblings"??
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(22) Mick & Terry McTernan, Caddagh Glebe have tested their DNA, wonder if your Thomas McTernan was related to one you mention!!
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For convenience of readers, the marriage of Robert Young and Edith Hetherington:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10262/5735203
And the birth of son Wesley:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01840/1718299
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There is a place of worship for Primitive Methodists. About 420 children are taught in the four public schools of the parish, and there are five private schools, in which are about 450 children.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irllet/parishes/DrumleaseCP.htm but where in 1870's would they have gone to School??
I'd hazard a guess at Dromahaire which would have been location for Parish Church..
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,581346,829644,8,10
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For convenience of readers, the marriage of Robert Young and Edith Hetherington:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10262/5735203
And the birth of son Wesley:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01840/1718299
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So... father was George!
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ii3/ link to Manorhamilton Registry
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George's mother was Margaret Hamilton, Cadda
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George (link) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/16c8e05774948
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I did an advanced search on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/advanced-civil.jsp
using just Young and Hamilton in Search boxes, for Marriages, no results!!
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NO IMAGE FOR MARRIAGE!
Name MARGARET HAMILTON
Date of Event 1872
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Manorhamilton
Returns Year 1872
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 7
Returns Page No 235
Name GEORGE YOUNG
Date of Event 1872
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Manorhamilton
Returns Year 1872
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 7
Returns Page No 235
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Jane Young, Cadda... mother was Fletcher!!
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Wm's mother was Fletcher...
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Wow, thanks everyone for the input. I have found all of the info you have posted already and a bit more to go with it. I didn't know about the statistics summary so thanks so much for that. I have followed a lineal data path and gotten myself to some dead ends so am now trying to flesh it all out.
George, William and Jane are all siblings, born of Patrick Young and Hannah Fletcher, Patrick's second wife. His first, France's Boles, died after giving birth to their daughter In 1865. Two girls from that marriage, Frances and Mary. George, b. 1874 is the George that came over to Canada with my gg Robert. When I carefully read through everything there are some neat tidbits mentioned.
1834. Patrick b. 1816-ish, Henery b. around 1807 and James who may have been born around 1812 are all on Griffiths in Cadda. I don't know when but Henery moved to Garvagh and married Jane Hamilton in 1848. They had at least two boys, Edward b.1866 and James b.1849 and most likely more. I believe they also had a daughter Margaret who was married in 1892 in Garvagh and witnessed by Jane Young. I have yet to get a birth record for Margaret. Edward died at a young age in 1881 as reported by his brother James. Jane died June 6,1888 and Henry died four days later as reported by son James. James had a really rough week. When James died in Caddagh Glebe in 1922, his cousin Jane Young was present at death.
So, I think that Henry and Patrick are definitely connected and am filling out both family lines as well as connecting them together. The common thread in all of this is Caddagh Glebe. Now that I know how small a community it was, I am more convinced that their are family connections among the Youngs there. Somehow Robert fits into it all.
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Wow, thanks everyone for the input. I have found all of the st
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Wow, thanks everyone for the input. I have found all of the st
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Sorry, hadn't had my coffee yet.
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Better off revealing what you know to save people from looking for what you already know and finding something you didn't know.
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Very true. I am new to the forums and my initial question about the town land size schools/education and population statistics is what I was looking for so I guess this topic is done! Thanks so much everyone.
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Sorry, was only trying to be helpful!
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No need to be sorry at all. Your enthusiasm and help were wonderful. I'm sure I will be needing help again soon. Cheers and thanks again!
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Might take that road home some day...