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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Ms. Smokestoomuch on Wednesday 21 October 09 01:03 BST (UK)
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Rootchat is a great find. Even reading other peoples queries can bring a bit of knowhow.
This is actually my partners family. I got roped in when I came to dead ends on my own family.
I actually was able to get the blacksmith book here in a Dublin library. It just mentioned William.
William's father John, had been a blacksmith too. He died 6th Oct 1867 and according to the rent books, William his youngest son took over the forge. There's a gap then for about 10 yrs before Richard O'Brien, Williams nephew, started running the forge in Ballymoney. (Richard is my partners grandfather.)
Williams siblings are confusing. I a bit weary that his father John may have had a first cousin John Eustace that may muddy the water.
But here's the possible out line.
William I think was son of John (1800-1867) and Catherine (1796-1874)
Siblings:Richard (1824-1864)
Anastasia (1826- 1891)
Owen (1835-1911)
Bridget (1840- ?)
I've Williams death cert. William was born about 1828 and died 1908 a widower.
With William's father were tantalizingly close to the blacksmiths that made pikes in the 1798 Rebellion.
And further back than that is that ballymore eustace story thats knocking around the family. Brothers William and John Eustace had to flee. One went to France and became a Papal Count. and the other went to Wexford. So I'd say many a son was honored with the name John or William.
Now there is many a second cousin, from many of corner trying to figure this family out. They're nearly all scratching their head longer than us.
I know more info there then you needed for your tree but on roots it's always wise to remember that occasionally a brainbox buts in and solves some issue that you weren't expecting. It's a wonderful thing.
Edit: Oops! was wrong there about who was in the book I never checked what I had found.
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Hi, oky dok. its a bit of bummer when you get stuck but then you get the lucky breaks!
Looks like you have two dates for William Eustace - he was born about 1828 or 1840 depending on whether you go with the marriage or death cert.
When you talk about Ballymore - where is this? Is it somewhere in Co.Kildare? or is it in wexford?
I will pull the bits together on williams wife margaret sunderland so you can that bit on!
Gerard
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Here's a related grave though I never found William's.
I think Owen is his brother and it refers to Parents and sibling.
Forgot to say that Anastasia his sister is the direct relative we're after rather than William. Thats my partners Great Granny. But the blacksmith thing has been helpful in finding out more. Anastasia is buried in Kilcavan graveyard on Tara Hill in Wexford but William didn't turn up there either.
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Hi I have 8 pages on Eustace and o brien family tree if you are interested also all kilcavan grave names .
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Yes :D
Can't believe it.
I see it's your first post
There's something about having 3 messages under your belt before we can message each other privately.
So if we do a bit of back and forth here.
Are you related yourself?
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Hi reading back you seem to have a lot of info. f From these pages of family history I will send you a little The eustaces sprung from ballymore Eustace in co kildare and there resided Will and John Eustace.It was the time of the troubles and John being too Irish was driven out of the country. He went to france and there he was made a papal count.Now when he died he left a chest of gold to the grand nieces and nephews of John Eustace.In those days very little money so the solicitor could not take up the case to redeem the chest and it was returned to France.
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I recognise the wording there.
Think I'm hearing Anas Spencer from beyond the grave.
It's my partners family. I've found a number of second cousins for him online searching the tree.
They all share the same Great Grandparents.
Raymond/Redmond Brien and wife Anastasia Eustace.
Now the previous generation to that is as far as we got.
Anastasia is the daughter of John Eustace. We are still trying to uncover her siblings. That's confusing. A little worried that a first cousin of her father John may also have been in the same locality. A little worried this first cousin is also named John. So each sibling of Anastasia is up for debate.
Raymond/Redmond Brien (and the surname has a number of version too)
He seems to be the son of Patrick Brien.
The closest we can get is death certs due to the records only going back to 1864 for the register. We have a number of certs.
They seem to bring up more questions than they answer.
I'll stick to not mentioning anyone living for the sake of privacy but would you be a descendant of John O'Brien (son of Raymond and Anastasia) and Anastasia Nolan?
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Hi Raymond o brien married Anastasia Eustace who was a sister of Will Eustace who owned the old forge in Ballymoney with cottage attached and also a sister of Owen Eustace who lived in Dalkey co Dublinwith his wife who was known as Aunt Essa neither men had any children and the two old ladies you speak of were sisters of granfathers mary and ellen and a brother billie o brien.These of course would be great Aunts and Ellen of ours and they lived in the bottom house in ballymoney and were noted for their beautiful tailoring and invisible mending mary died in 1914 granfather died suddenly on his way to mass aged 54 on the 10th may 1876 and his wife Anastasia died 1st march 1891.Hi This was in lots of stuff I inhereted I have lots of old school photos of the children that went to Tara hill school will look them up also kiltennel school where these people would have went .
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Some early Eustace information in the following publication; "The neighborhood of Dublin : its topography, antiquities and historical associations"
http://www.archive.org/stream/neighborhoodofdu00joyc/neighborhoodofdu00joyc_djvu.txt
also A guide to the county of Wicklow By George Newenham Wright.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07qc/
Kindest
John G.
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Hi Ms Smokes,
I've been following this thread and hope you find the information you are looking for.
Hi Elizabeth5,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Dara.
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I am researching a Abraham Shehan (death 1855 or 56) who married a Margaret Sunderland. The Shehan's are from Ballyscarton, Gorey, Co Wexford, Ireland. Not sure if this Margeret or Margaret could be before your Sunderland. Abraham and Margeret had children: Lawrence (b 1828) MaryAnn, Bessie, John, Bridget, and Patrick (1840-1910)buried at Courttown(?)
Thought perhaps our Margaret Sunderland could be Aunt of yours? Any help would be great. We are traveling to Ireland in April in hopes of finding some more info out.
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My knowledge of the Sunderlands is limited to Margaret marring William Eustace the Blacksmith 1878.
On that marriage cert Margaret is a spinster age 30 who's father is Michael Sunderland deceased, farmer. Also as witness she has a Maria Sunderland.
Now earlier on this tread another Sunderland relation, called lochgorman, tells me that Margaret also had a brother called Thomas. Lochgorman might be able to figure out the connection between these Sunderlands.
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I have been reading with interest these postings on Gorey. I have ancestors from this area. To date I haven't concentrated on them but will be doing so shortly. The names are Gordon, Goldsmith, Brien/Bryan, and Wall. The locations in Gorey are Kilmakiloge, Ballykale, Coolantaggart, Kilcavan. I don't know if these names or locations connect with anyone but would be interested to hear if there was a connection. Anniebelle
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The date 1878 for marriage between Margaret and William could work. Her father Michael would be around the same age as the Margaret who married Abraham Shehan...Will keep looking
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I have family from Gorey from about 1850 - 1915. The names I'm interested in are Bell, Beddy, Woods, Sinnott and Swords. I have a number of certificates from GRO Roscommon. any information would be appreciated.
However what I'm really after is some slightly broader information about the area. There is an entry in Wikipedia that provides some information. Are there any books or photos of Gorey either now or in the past. I'm particularly interested in Gorey Hill, Esmond Street and William Street.
Andy
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Anniebelle I have a photo of the Registry of pews in the church in gorey in 1861 and no 73 has on it WM GOLDSMITH Ballycale maybe your relation.
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streets and families available in the 1911 census returns. Google Gorey Co. Wexford and you should get photoes etc.
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Hi all, its been a while since i logged in here. :)
Anyway I will try and help with a few of the threads.
To Tvandermyde: Sunderlands:
I am a descendant of the Sunderlands of Ballyscarton. Sunderlands have been in Ballyscarton since 1750's at least. If you could give me some any additional info I will see if there is any links? ITs not a connection i have heard of but I will look it up in some of my books & family tree to see if there is any mention of Shehans of Ballyscarton...it might be a new connection for me!!
Anniebelle:
Kilmakiloge is the old parish name for gorey. I will find out about the other names for you from my book.
andyb1963:
There is a good few books on Gorey. The best are the "Historic Gorey" series
by Michael Fitzpatrick our local historian. Each book has a different theme but each one covers a lot of info & photos. In historic gorey 2 michael lists the families of gorey in 1901 and 1911 so it would definitely cover esmonde street etc. It depends on the family names you are looking for?
All the books are out of print now; and you won't buy them in the shops.Best place is gorey or wexford library to see a hard copy. I have them all so will look up some info for you if wish.
Kind regards Loch Garman (Gerard)
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Loch Garman, Gerard,
Thank you for your response.
I would certainly appreciate any feedback you have on my family names in Gorey. Anniebelle.
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Hi Gerrard
Thanks for the helpful response. In the 1901 census, my grandfather, Thomas Bell (then aged 12) was living in Esmonde Street, Gorey. He was a visitor at his uncle, John Bell's house on the day of the census.
My great great grandmother, Mary Bell, was also living in Esmonde Street with her sons, Edward and Joshua (Thomas Bell's father).
I obtained this info via the Wexford Genealogy Centre a couple of years back. I've found the family in the 1911 census subsequently and have most of the BMD certificates.
I'd be interested to know if there are any more Bells in Gorey in the 1901 census and for any old pictures of Gorey back then, especilly Esmonde Street. I've tried to source the books you mentioned, but as you say they're hard to get hold of.
Anything you could provide would be appreciated. I won't be online again now until next weekend as I'm away from home all week.
Thanks again for the offer - much appreciated.
Andy
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Hi Anniebell
From photo of the pews in the Church of Ireland; Christ Church, Gorey.
As Elizabeth 5 says Wm Goldsmith, Ballycale is pew no 73. Also Geo. Gordon, Killowen, is pew no 76. The names you suggested such as Goldsmith, Gordon sounded like church of ireland/protestant family names - so you might be lucky in getting some information on them.
Gorey is made up of the medieval parish of Kilmakilloge, parts of Kilcavan townland, and parts of the townlands of kiltennel and Kilnahue.
Kilmakilloge = Cill Moshiolog which means the "church of St. Moshiolog".
Ballykale = Baile Caol which means the "narrow farmstead". Caol is the gaelic for slender or narrow.
Kilcavan = Cill Chaomhain or the "church of St. Caomhan".
A George Goldsmith, Farmer, Residence: Bolacreen
A Mathias Goldsmith, Linen Weaver, Residence: Mangan
A Rev. James Gorden, Curate of Clough, Residence: Marlfield, Gorey all appear in the Claims List for 1798. (this list was for damage to property after the rebellion of 1798 - COI were the claimants).
A William Goldsmith, James Gordan, both of Ballykale survived the famine.
Gordens - Mary Anne Gorden appear in the census for 1911 in Ballingarry. You can look up the census for 1911 on the national archives website. www.nationalarchives.ie
Hi Andyb1963
Sinnotts (Eliza Sinnott) appear for Census 1911 in Clonattin Road or Pot Lane.
Byrne-Bell appear census 1911 in Esmonde Street. John Byrne- head, Mary Bell mother in law.
The other names you mention don't jump out for the other addresses.
You can type in their name on the 1911 census website at the nationalarchives.ie
In 1901 census there is Bell Mary Bell, Edward Bell, Joshua Bell, Maryy Quigley, Eliz Quigley. Also There is a Richard Sinnott head of family and son for esmonde street too in 1901.
Hi Tvandermyde
My Sunderlands lived and farmed at Ballyscartin just outide Gorey. Just after the famine there is an Abraham Sheehan and also a James Sheehan listed for living at Ballyscartin at this time. this would have been around 1853.
Thanks Gerard
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Gerard,
Abraham Sheehan died in 1855 or 1856 . He was married to Margaret Sunderland and I show that they had 6 children: Lawrence b.1830 went to states in 1846, Mary anne died prior to 1856, Bessie, died prior to 1856, John went to Australia, Bridget, and Patrick b.1840 d.1910 buried at Courttown?
All we have for information is Shehans or Sheehans of Ballyscartin (Ballyscarton), Gorey, Co. Wexford, Ireland.
did you find Abraham listed on a census? We are planning to travel to Ireland in mid April to see if we can find out more...any help or suggestions appreciated.
Thanks,
Tina
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Gerard, Thank you for the additional information. I have just received a marriage certificate which shows one of the children i.e. George Gordon, farmer, son of David Gordon, farmer, son gives residence as Ballingarry in 1853. His wife, Mary Ann Tyndall, daughter of Matthew Tyndall, farmer, also resident of Ballingarry. I have a good idea now of the parish records which I need to try and find to see if they still exist. Thanks for your help. Anniebelle.
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Gerard
Thanks for the info.
Andy
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Hi Tina,
Your sheehan might be a new connection for me too via the sunderland marriage. There is no census for 1853. What i looked up is an article "those who survived the famine" - its some sort of list of townlands and names. So sheehan and sunderlands would have been neighbours or not lived far from each other.
We only have the 1901 or 1911 censu to go on. 1911 is online at the national archives of ireland & it would be sheehan you would be looking up.
Sunderlands are buried in the ancient graveyard of Clonattin. Which is basically about half a mile from Ballyscartin- as the crow flies you would be going over a few fields. It is a very old graveyard.
I looked up the book on the graveyard and the following sheehans are mentioned:
SHEEHAN, erected by margaret sheehan, courtown harbour in memory of her husband patrick sheehan, who died 11th Feb 1880, aged 65 years. Also her daughter Elizabeth, who died 8th Oct
1877 aged 8 years, and her son who died young.
(its a bit odd if they are living in courtown they would have come all the way back to this graveyard (they could have gone to riverchapel graveyard) - so maybe they had links -i hope its a clue for you)
if you have any other questions give me a post.
Gerard
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Hi Andy,
There is a guy in Gorey named Michael Fitzpatrick who knows all the local
history. Gorey library will have his details.
Good Luck
Maggie_may
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Maggie-May
Thanks for the info
Andy
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Does any one have anything on William Giles ( b.1832) or his son Michael (b.1873). The farm was listed on the 1911 census as being in Ballyrahan, Gorey, Co. Wexford. Are there any Giles cousins still in town? William's wife was Elizabeth Barrett (b.1834).
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Hi Biff Biff do you know anymore details about them. I have Jiles in my family tree; but they lived at Ballydarragh, Craanford, and are buried in Rosminogue Cemetery. Just watch out for the spelling of the name it could be Gyles, Jiles etc.
gerard
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Hi Lochgarman,
Here is what I know. I know that my great grandfather Henry was born in Gorey. Here is a list of all of the siblings in birth order.
Mathew b. 1861,
John b. Nov. 11 1864 who travels to Brockton Mass in 1895. His address is 225 Grafton St, Brockton, MA and returns again from Ireland in 1912, Thomas b. May6 ,1867 goes to New York with Henry in 1892, 1897 as a US citizen,
Henry b. Nov 1, 1869,
Mary b. Jan.6,1872 ,
Michael b. Dec. 14, 1873
William Giles b. Sep, 26,1875 , William arrives in the US on August 25 1897 with $90.00 in his pocket. He is going to 175 Myrtle Street Brockton MA
All were born in Gorey, Wexford, Ireland
Henry and Thomas came to the USA 1892 on board the ship "State of Nebraska" they list their last residence as Dublin.
Later Henry and wife Margaret are crossing in August of 1897 on board the Majestic arriving at Ellis Island with four young children; William 6y6m, John 4y4m, Eliza 2y2m ( my grandmother) and Julia as an infant. They later settle in Brockton Massachusetts. Margaret lists her last residence as Cowedford.
Rumor says that Margaret's maiden name was Whitty.
Let me know if any of this helps. Thanks
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Some More Giles:
Annesley –Mountnorris Estate Auction 1852
Giles owning Land Parcels @
Ballydarragh 179 Acres Tenants Names: Moses Giles, John Giles, and Michael Giles, representatives of Thomas Giles. Comment - Lease dated 25th June, 1794, for three lives, and now depending on the life of John Giles, aged abt.60 yrs. This Lot is within 3 miles of Gorey; the road from which to Carnew and Carlow passes close by.
Upper Island 50 Acres Tenant Name Thomas Giles.
Ballyshaun (Ballyshane) 16 Acres Tenant Name Thomas and George Giles. Comment: Lease dated 1st April, 1815, for 21 years or life of Lewis Giles now aged abt 42 years.
Cheers John G.
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Hi Jytefas - good info i am sure they are my Giles. thanks for that.
Biff Biff will look up and see if any of your names fit in to anything anywhere!
thanks gerard
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Hi Biff Biff,
sorry don't have much to report. I found your family in the local history book - Historic Gorey 2 by Michael Fitzpatrick. Its really a take on the census of 1911.
It says:
Wm. Giles, Head, R.C., aged 79, Farmer, Co. Wexford
Eliz. Giles, Wife, R.C., aged 77, Housewife, Co. Wexford
Michael Giles, Son, R.C., aged 37, Farmer, Co. Wexford.
Wm. Giles married 51 years, 10 children born, 7 living.
Ballyrahan is in the parish of kilnahue. Looking at the map its on the road out to Creagh/Hollyfort.
I looked up an old telephone book but did'nt see any Giles listed in it for that area.
Hope this helps. Good luck!
Gerard
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Hi Gerard,
Thanks for checking. I am still trying to go back in time to find Giles before my great grandfather. I was told by my father and aunts that their grandfather told them the Giles were Scottish. Perhaps I am trying too hard to find an additional generation in Ireland and going further back I need to examine Scotland.
If you come acros anything please do let me know. Again thank you.
Denise
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Andy,
I saw your listing for the Bell family. I am descended from the Bates and Bell families from Gorey, Co. Wexford, although I don't have much more info than that. Here is what I have::::
1. WILLIAM BATES was born 04 Jul 1794 in Gorey, Wexford, Ireland, and died 27 Feb 1867 in Freeport, Armstrong, PA. He married JEMIMA BELL 22 Feb 1825 in Gorey. She was born 22 Feb 1804 in Gorey, Wexford, Ireland, and died 11 Apr 1888 in Freeport, Armstrong, PA.
Children of WILLIAM BATES and JEMIMA BELL are:
2. i. ELEANOR BATES, b. 09 Mar 1826, Gorey, Wexford, Ireland; d. 24 Apr 1899, Freeport, Armstrong, PA.
3. ii. JOSEPH B. BATES, b. 03 Jan 1828, Gorey, Wexford, Ireland; d. 01 Jul 1878, Hatborrough, PA.
iii. THOMAS BATES, b. 22 Mar 1830, Gorey, Wexford, Ireland; d. 25 Nov 1853.
iv. MARY CATHERINE BATES, b. 29 Jul 1832, Lake Erie; d. Paulding County, OH; m. WILLIAM WILSON, Freeport, PA.
v. WILLIAM EDWARD BATES, b. Bet. 27 Feb 1835 - 1836, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 13 May 1866, Freeport, Armstrong, PA.
vi. SARA JANE BATES, b. 16 Apr 1836, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 02 Jan 1838, Freeport, Armstrong, PA.
vii. SARA JANE BATES, b. 10 Apr 1838, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 31 Oct 1912, S. Oil City, PA; m. CHARLES BROWN; d. 1901, S. Oil City, PA.
viii. ALICE ANN BATES, b. 28 Jul 1840, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 10 Aug 1869, Venange City, PA; m. SAMUEL MCKAIN, 31 Jan 1865.
ix. ELIZABETH BATES, b. 08 Apr 1843, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 10 Aug 1872, Freeport, Armstrong, PA.
4. x. MARGRET BATES, b. 04 Mar 1846, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 23 Apr 1881, Parker Twp, Butler, PA.
xi. JAMES BELL BATES, b. Abt. Mar 1850, Freeport, Armstrong, PA; d. 09 Mar 1852, Freeport, Armstrong, PA.
Any links or info would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Derek
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Hi Derek
I've not got any further back than John Bell who was my 3 x great grandfather. The trail goes cold in 1858 when his son Joshua Bell married Mary Woods in Gorey Register Office. Whether Jemima is a relative of his or not I have no idea. It may well be the case that they are related but I haven't made the connection yet.
Andrew
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Hi, the Bates were coach-builders in Gorey.
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Hi Derek, Bates are an old Gorey Family, and the picture shows the home & business. It was situated on St. Michaels Road. In the picture above which Elizabeth 5 has put up shows St. Michaels roman catholic chapel in the background. Michael Fitzpatrick the local historian- I would imagine would have a some info on the bates family. Today the house is a solicitors practice but the house is still there if slightly modified. The cemetery in market square is majority of protestant burials but some catholics are buried there too. The more modern church of lreland cemetery i am sure would contain some bates too.
kind regards Gerard
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Hi Derek also in the records of the workhouse in Gorey is a Maria Bates Aditted 24th April 1847 died 28th April 47 aged 6 years. And also on the pews in St Micheals Church in Gorey is a pew donated by a William Bates edwd Leyburn.The family ed bates also had a grocery -bar establishment in gorey.
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Thanks all for the info. Another piece of information that I have on William Bates is that in the US he was a farmer per the 1850 census. Not sure if his family was in the Carriage business in 1820, if he would revert to farming in 1850.
Would anyone have a family history on the Bates family going back to before 1820? That might help identify some possibilities.
Thanks much for all your help.
Kind Regards,
Derek
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Houses of Wexford;
Ballinahallen, Enniscorthy
Townland; Ballynahallin
In 1948, the present owners, Eustace, family acquired ownership. When the Eustace's came in, the place was in poor condition, and without running water. They carried out extensive refurbishment, and installed running water. The Eustace's came from Mountfin, near Bunclody where they still retain ownership of 100 acres of woodland, and fishing rights on the river.
Mountfin House, Ballycarney (formerly Munfin)
Townland; Mountfin Lower or Ballinturner
The property came into Eustace hands through the marriage of Rev. Robert Eustace to Emily Louisa Bridges, eldest daughter of the ground landlord. Their son, Henry Montague Eustace died here from wounds suffered at Gallipoli in the 1914-18 war.
In 1921 the house and 222 acres was sold for £6,500 to John Rothwell.
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Houses of Wexford;
Primrose Lodge, Carnew
Townland; Knocknamota
(Reference to BATES)
The first name mentioned is Pearson, Mr Bates, a coach-builder from Gorey, and owner of a public house in Carnew, married Pearson's daughter, and aquired the property on Pearson's death.
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Hi, the Bates were coach-builders in Gorey.
Thankyou Elizabeth for sharing that page on the Bates family. Florence Fletcher (ne: Bates) was my Grandmother. It was lovely to see the picture and details of the family. Most of the people in the photo I knew.
Thanks
Steve Fletcher
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Re: Tom Sunderland
While reading your posts Tom Sunderland was menton earlier on
Now I know this Tom Sunderland i refer to is not the one you are looking for
In the early 1970's my mam and dad used to bring us on summer holidays to a farm
in Kilmuckridge Co Wexford. This farm was owned by a Tom Sunderland . It was a
holiday on a farm. Tom Sunderland was not young so I would put him about 60. As far I can remember he had some female relatives who I think were his sisters who done the cooking .
Can still remember those holidays good memories.
regards genseacher
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Hi Andy B
I was a great friend of Joss Bell ( Byrne) He reared me!Any information you require i will gladly share with you.
Willie Joe Murphy (formally Esmonde St Gorey )
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A new player heard from. I am looking for any information about Thomas Staples b. 1748 in Wexford (probably Gorey) and who emigrated to Canada (d. 5 Aug 1825, Ida, Ontario) along with his entire family. He married a Jane Bell (b 1767 Wexford probably Gorey) Family records show she died at sea during the trip to Canada (d. 5 Jan 1823)There is also a connection to the Swayne family through their son Richard (b 1791) I have much more information about the family after immigration but not much before. I also know they were Protestant but not necessarily Anglican.
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Hi Willie Joe
Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Just got home after a few days away and saw your post. Any information you have on the Bells in Wexford would be gratefully received.
Regards
Andy
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I've just come across your post from 2009 in which you mention your grandfather Raymond O'Brien who died on his way home from Mass aged 54, and I'm wondering is this the same Raymond O'Brien, my greatgrandfather, who is reported to have met a similar death.
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Hi have 8 pages of OBrien Eustace family tree can send you done by Anastasia Spencer.I am related by the Redmond branch.I have all pages posted on my Redmond family tree I need your email to send an invitation to view.
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I think I have the same eight pages - my father was a first cousin of Anas. Which of the Redmond siblings are you connected with? I remember Betty, Tom and Janie, met them when my parents and I stayed in Seafield in the 60s.
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Still looking for information re: 18th C. Gorey. I am looking for any information about Thomas Staples b. 1748 in Wexford? (probably Gorey) and who emigrated to Canada (d. 5 Aug 1825, Ida, Ontario) along with his entire family in 1820. He, Thomas, married a Jane Bell (b 1767 Wexford probably Gorey) first child born about 1775. Family records show Jane died at sea during the trip to Canada (d. 5 Jun 1823). Her brother / cousin? James emigrates in early 1800 and is in the clergy in Canada. All live initially in Cavan, Durham Co., Upper Canada.
There is also a connection to the Swayne; Swain family who are intermarried after 1798. Family history suggests involvement in the Rebellion. I have much more information about the family after immigration but not much before. I also know they were Protestant probably Methodist.
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The dates you are looking for are very early, and before almost all the surviving church records. Not that many details are available for the early 1800s, let alone the 1700s. I would think the chances of locating vital details on a person for these kinds of dates are slim, unless of course they came from gentry (i.e. well-off), and might be included in estate records etc.
Transcripts of some Co. Wexford church records are being made available on the pay-website at Rootsireland, but just three, or four parishes so far...
Shane
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Hi BBscan, had a look in my historic gorey books the only mentions are the following:
Historic Gorey 4 by Michael Fitzpatrick:
Gorey Plundered - Church of Ireland Families under attack this is a list of some of the families:
Edward Swain - Linen Weaver - Gorey - plunder to property
Also some swains Church of ireland buried in the old market square graveyard.
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Hi BBScan,
Also Bells appear as blacksmiths on the claims list of 1798. I dont see any staples appearing as a name on the list.
Looking through the list of C.O.I families that sailed from New Ross to Upper Eastern Canada around November 1817 shows Swain and Bell sailing to that area of canada (from historic gorey 5 by michael fitzpatrick).
thanks Gerard
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Assistance is greatly appreciated. The Staples extended family (including related Swains and possibly Bell) sailed together in 1822 to Canada. Family history suggests a chartered vessel using proceeds from sale of land in or near Gorey. I can trace the vessel at this end and have found one or two possibility based upon arrival records in the 'Mercury' and subsequent passage records for ships travelling to the Great lakes.
Quebec, Quebec, Canada - spring 1823
Arrived by Sea on one of the following (no passengers lists exist) Ship Ceres, Cork (67 settlers)l Brig Alexander, Dublin (142) Brig George 4th, Dublin(111)Brig Endeavour, Dublin (112) Brig Jane (Waterford) (88) - this is fm ships arrival and subsequent depart
They had enough money to buy outright most of the property they subsequently farmed in County Durham, Upper Canada. There had been two previous family departures in the previous decade to explore what was available. A Bell cousin comes in the 1820s and attend theological college later becoming a Methodist minister.
Another researcher has found records for a marriage between a Jane Bell and a Thomas Stapleton ~1775 in the Ferns Marriage Diary? (research found in Dublin Castle 1974)
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One other point - they were Methodist New Connexion in Canada which I understand to be a rare breed in Ireland in the late 1700-early 1800s.
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Hoping to fill in some gaps on the O'Brien & Eustace family tree from around Ballymoney, Courtown & Kilmurray
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Hi cferrie,
There was Eustace in Ballymoney. They were blacksmiths i think. one of them married my ancestor Sunderland. Another user on this was researching Eustace who had connections with Eustace of co.kildare and ballymoney who were connected; you might find it here going back on the same thread. let me know how you get on. gerard ;D
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Thanks Gerard,
William Eustace, the blacksmith in Ballymoney was a brother of Anastasia Eustace, my great great grandmother. I believe her nephew Richard O'Brien inherited the job. I've traced William and Anastasia's father, John Eustace, to Waterford City with some links to Faithlegg House, but that's where the trail runs cold. There seems to have been some ongoing link between Waterford and Wexford Eustaces
William Eustace's wife was Margaret Sunderland (c. 1848 - 6/11/1903). Her father was Michael Sunderland - presumably your ancestors?
Found quite a bit of information here http://www.roneustice.com/Family%20History/IrishFamiliessub/Wexford%20Families.html
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Hi cferrie; thats a brilliant link. thanks for telling me about it. Yes the Sunderlands are my ancestors. You should private message ms smokestoomuch on this thread as she was researching the eustaces as well and had bits on eustaces who lived in ballymore-eustace in county kildare so you could be related to her as well.
Two bits of info i can help with; maybe you can send it on to the person who did the website. William Eustace married Margaret Sunderland in 1878. i should have the marriage cert if you need a copy. you will have to pm your email address to me. The Sunderlands are from the townland of Ballyscartin; its halfway between Gorey and Ballymoney; so the Ballycurtan is wrong.
Regarding the 1901 census; William is recorded on it but his wife Margaret is not. The reason is that Margaret was recorded as patient in St. Johns County Home in Enniscorthy. So it looks like she may have suffered a mental illness or something. If you research the census of 1901 for the institution you can find her on it as "wife of blacksmith" and using process of deduction you can figure out it is her. there is also a mention of the eustaces in the book on forges of wexford. if you need more detail on the book let me know. kind regards gerard
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Thanks Gerard, I found Margaret's entry in Enniscorthy, although it suggests a birth year of 1844 rather than 1848 as suggested by the Eustace website. I think it may actually have been the "County Lunatic Asylum" (in Killagoley townland) that she was resident in rather than the County Home (which at that time would have still been known as the Workhouse). Presumably that is where she died two years later - a tragic end.
I must have a look for that Forges of Wexford book - sounds interesting.
Thanks again,
Ciaran
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Hi Ciaran, i have been tidying up my books and came across the book. Its called: Tales of the Anvil - the forges and blacksmiths of Wexford by Eamon Doyle. Publisher is nonsuch publishing.
The entry is rather small but still a mention:
Gorey - Griffiths Valuation - 1853 - John Eustace - Ballymoney Upper
You might get it on the publisher website or amazon.
Kind regards Gerard
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Hi All.
Just uncovered a little more information on the mysterious Giles Family.
Michael Giles married in 1913, to whom it is not listed however it was between April & June and the marriage is listed in Gorey.
Also a death year of 1939 has now come up. Michael was 66 years old in 1939.
Should anyone come across something else please let me know. Thank you.
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Marriage
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/b07ede6496729
might be this lady
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rossminoge/Monbay__Upper/683590/
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Thank you for the verification!
Yes that is her, Winifred Finn.
Now the question is did they have children?
Might there still be some Giles in Gorey related to me?
Michael would have been my Great Uncle?
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Hi Biffbiff; i would assume that is the finns in Craanford; gorey, co. wexford. Giles and Finn would all have been from the local area.
I will ask around with my relations who live in Craanford and they might know who to ask. One of my own relations knows a lot of history of the families; she may know something.
If I find out anything I will let you know. Not sure if there is still giles still about.
Gerard
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Hi Biffbiff,
My great granny was Winifred Finn married to Michael Giles, Ballyrahan. They had 3 daughters and a son- my Grandfather William (Bill). My granddad married Mary Walsh from Arklow. They had 5 sons and a daughter. The oldest of their family is Michael..My father. The family moved to Co. Meath in the late 40's :)
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I just saw this other post from you today!
I don't have much beyond Michaels's father William.
Do you have anything else?
Denise
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1943 21 May
Administration of the estate of Michael Giles who died 18th Dec 1939 granted at Waterford to Winifred Giles the widow £43 0s 0p
search archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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Yes the same!
Found this piece about 2 to 3 years ago. Are you another cousin?
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hi
My Great Grand mother was Winafred Finn Monbay Craanford and she married Michael Doyle Rossminogue around 1860 she was born 1838. Parish records missing for this time.Trying to find out who her father and mother were and if she had bros and sisters. Having no luck. Going by the way children were named those times I should be looking for a Michael and a Winafred . Cant find them . Can anyone help . Very grateful. wexfordlady.
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Hi,
Elizabeth5 had posted a page of the Bates family who were coach builders.
I would very much like to know if the book includes earlier family members and if there is a genealogy. I have an ancester, Benjamin William Bates (b 1868 Gorey) who married Josephine Bates (b 1864 Gorey). She was the daughter of William Bates (coach builder) and Anna Stedman.
Thanks.