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Title: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Friday 23 September 16 01:30 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,
I'm a newbie to family researching and have been slowly building my tree on ancestry. I am a bit stuck on finding the mothers name for my great grandma Minnie Broadhead, married name Cundall. I purchased a marriage certificate for Minnie & Robert but it only gives fathers names. They were married in leeds in 1914 and her father was deseaed at time of marriage.

Minnie was born in west yorkshire/sheffield act 1891 and died in wakefield in 1962.

Any help on how I would go about finding her mum would be wonderful. I tried looking on census but didn't have much luck there either.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 23 September 16 03:51 BST (UK)
I found a tree on Ancestry showing Minnie (yours??) which shows a copy of her marriage certificate in which her father is shown as Thomas Broadhead, Brewer (deceased).

I couldn't find said Thomas in 1891 but did find him in 1881:

2 Bateson Row, Headingley with Burley, Leeds

Thomas Broadhead   41      Brewer         born Pontefract, Yorkshire (shown as Ferrybridge on earlier
                                                                                                      census)
Margaret Broadhead  35                        born South Milford, Yorkshire
Ann Broadhead  8                                 born Leeds
Thomas Broadhead 5                                ditto
Elizabeth Broadhead 4                              ditto
Joseph Broadhead 2                                 ditto

Now it gets a bit odd - there are some other trees on Ancestry that show Thomas married Margaret Ann Sutton 12/11/1871 South Milford and the above children.   However, they don't appear to have found the family on census after 1881, nor do they have dates of death of either Thomas or Margaret - just say Thomas died in Hunslet!

Found something interesting at the moment which I'm still working on - will post later.

Annette 
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Friday 23 September 16 06:25 BST (UK)
Hi Annette,
Yes that will be my tree with marriage certificate, I couldn't quite understand fathers profession and now you said brewer I can make that out more clearly,

Thank you so much for your help. I was so happy to get the certificate but when it only had fathers name on it I was a little stumped.

Minnie called her daughter Margaret (my grandma) so that might be where the name came from.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 08:04 BST (UK)
I am struggling to find the birth registration of your Minnie in Sheffield. There is one registered Q1 1891, but it looks like she is the daughter of Joseph and Mary Ellen, born 13 Dec 1890 , bapt 21 Jan 1891. Joseph is a greengrocer. Baptism record on FindMyPast. She can be found on 1891 census with her parents in Sheffield.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 09:17 BST (UK)
It looks like the Ann who was 8 on the 1881 census married John Henry Woodhouse on 4 July 1891 at St Judes Hunslet, her father was Thomas a brewer and not recorded as deceased. Ann was 19 at marriage, so looks like her birthday fell between census day and her wedding day. Her address at marriage was 4 Powell Street.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 09:22 BST (UK)
Thomas jnr married Mary Ann Brack on May 9th 1808 at Wrangthorn, father thomas a brewer again no mention of him being deceased. Witnesses were Ann Woodhouse and her husband
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 09:27 BST (UK)
Transcribed as Broadbent in 1891

Piece number 3662 Folio 99 Page 15

Thomas is married not widowed but Margaret and Minnie not home on census night. The best match for Minnie I have is a birth reg Q2 1890 Bradford district. If you have access to 1939 register she can easily be found there. 
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 09:49 BST (UK)
If you do a 1911 census address search with the address on Minnie's marriage cert........
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Friday 23 September 16 10:04 BST (UK)
Thanks for the help, I didn't realise you could search for an actual address on censuses
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 23 September 16 11:59 BST (UK)
If you do a 1911 census address search with the address on Minnie's marriage cert........

Clearly, something went wrong with Thomas and Margaret Ann Broadhead's marriage.

I believe that Minnie was born 13/5/1890 and as 1901 and 1911 census show, she was born in Bradford.    That said, is her birth the Minnie Broadhead June quarter 1890 Bradford?

Her mother Margaret Ann died as Broadhead - death Mar. qtr. 1919 Holbeck.   As to Thomas Broadhead - his age out by 5 years but think his death must be the one bc.1845, Dec.qtr.1900 Hunslet.

Annette
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 12:16 BST (UK)
In 1901, Margaret is living with John Fallon as his wife but I can't see a marriage, so although she would be widowed by then, maybe he was still married to someone else. Minnie has been entered as Annie on enumerator's book.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Friday 23 September 16 12:41 BST (UK)
Wow thanks ladies you have been amazing.
How would I find her maiden name would I have to buy Minnies birth certificate?
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Friday 23 September 16 12:41 BST (UK)
I will update my tree with the information you have given me :))
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 23 September 16 12:55 BST (UK)
Her parents marriage has already been given: Thomas Broadhead married Margaret Ann Sutton 12/11/1871 South Milford, Yorkshire (her birthplace).

Annette
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Jay55 on Friday 23 September 16 13:31 BST (UK)
As to Thomas Broadhead - his age out by 5 years but think his death must be the one bc.1845, Dec.qtr.1900 Hunslet.   This  is NOT your Thomas
From Yorkshire Indexers website:
Hunslet Cemetery
Database ID   28632
Burial Entry   21378
Forename(s)   Thomas
Surname   BROADHEAD
Abode   10 Cariss Street Hunslet
Description   Coal dealer
Relationship   
Rel_Male_Forenames   
Rel_Male_Surname   
Rel_Female_Forenames   
Rel_Female_Surname   
Age (Years)   55
Age (Months)   
Age (Other)   
Year of Birth   1845
Burial (Day)   8
Burial (Month)   December
Burial (Year)   1900
Grave Type   Consecrated
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Jay55 on Friday 23 September 16 14:05 BST (UK)
This is most likely Thomas's baptism in 1839
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Jay55 on Friday 23 September 16 14:10 BST (UK)
More children of Thomas & Elizabeth
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: Jay55 on Friday 23 September 16 14:24 BST (UK)
According to the 1939 Register Minnie was born 13/5/1890 and her husband Robert 27/10/1892.
That date makes it look like Minnie was born in Bradford.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 23 September 16 14:39 BST (UK)
As to Thomas Broadhead - his age out by 5 years but think his death must be the one bc.1845, Dec.qtr.1900 Hunslet.   This  is NOT your Thomas
From Yorkshire Indexers website:
Hunslet Cemetery
Database ID   28632
Burial Entry   21378
Forename(s)   Thomas
Surname   BROADHEAD
Abode   10 Cariss Street Hunslet
Description   Coal dealer

I can't find a Thomas Broadhead which fits this one.

In 1901, at 6 Cariss street there is John William Broadhead, wife Frances (nee Howlett) and 1 month old daughter Sarah. Their marriage record is on Ancestry, J W's father is Thomas a brewer. There doesn't seem to be a no 8 and at no 10 is Joseph Needham coal dealer. Could the informant for Thomas's death got a bit confused and got age and occupation wrong or Thomas did a bit of coal dealing on the side. No 10 might have all the wherewithall for that type of business.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Friday 30 September 16 01:53 BST (UK)
If you do a 1911 census address search with the address on Minnie's marriage cert........


Hi Lizzie,
I've tried to do this on ancestry but not had any results. How do you do it? or did you use a different programme?
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 30 September 16 07:43 BST (UK)
I use FindMyPast which has address search. I have had some success with Ancestry putting street name in the keyword box, but it can give a large number of results.
Others who use Ancestry more for censuses may have better ideas.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 30 September 16 08:33 BST (UK)
Census 1911 at 12 Commercial Row Holbeck
FALLEN Margaret Ann 64yrs, widow,  b. South Milford Yorkshire
years married - , children....... 6 living, 2 deceased

FALLEN Minnie  20yrs, single, daughter, b. Bradford Yorkshire, machinist in linen warehouse.
Title: Re: Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 30 September 16 18:41 BST (UK)
According to the 1939 Register Minnie was born 13/5/1890 and her husband Robert 27/10/1892.
That date makes it look like Minnie was born in Bradford.



Births April to Jun 1890   

Broadhead  Minnie    Bradford, Y.  9b 97
Title: Follow up on thread- Finding mother of Minnie Broadhead (1891-1962)
Post by: mojo_jojo on Tuesday 14 November 17 22:08 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
I have been re-reading through this thread and trying to make sense of the information.

So it looks like Mgt ann broadhead/Sutton married Thomas broadhead brewer and they had 8 children
1911- says children 6 alive 2 dead.

1901-Mgt was living with a john fallon with only 1 child Minnie (my great grandma).

I'm still unclear about what happened and why mgt would only take 1 of her children with her, maybe Minnie youngest. Still unsure when Thomas died too.

Thanks for your assistance

Jo