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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Grendonmike on Sunday 25 September 16 20:54 BST (UK)
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Looking for marriage of my Great Grandfather Frederick William Brown and my Great Grandmother Eliza Ann Batchelor, probably around 1871 in Cuckfield or Lindfield, Sussex. Found my G. Grandfather in 1871 Census living in Lindfield next door to William Batchelor, Eliza's brother, status unmarried. Eliza in 1871 census is living in Linfield with her mother, status married, she was married previously to Joseph Comber Knight, but he died in 1863.
I next find Frederick and Eliza living together as man and wife in the 1881 census in Cuckfield with son Frederick William Brown, my Grandfather age 9 years and daughter Eliza Jane aged 6 years. In the 1891 census Eliza is still living in Cuckfield at a different address with her two children, status widow. I can find no record of a marriage, or a date of death for her husband. Eliza died in 1897 and I have a copy of her birth certificate. I would appreciate any assistance with finding a marriage and date of death for my G. Grandfather.
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Greetings.
Could you clarify (as I'm not sure from your post) what surname Eliza was using on the 1871 census? Also, what age was Frederick on the 1871/1881 censuses?
All the best
Philip
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Hi Phillip,
Eliza uses surname Batchelor in 1871 census, on her death certificate it says Brown was Knight was Batchelor. Frederick age is given as 33 in 1871 census and 43 in 1881 census. This would point to year of birth 1838, both census give place of birth as Huntingdon, but I have been unable to trace details and the first reference to him I can find is in the 1871 census.
Many thanks for reply, hope this information helps.
Regards
Mike
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I next find Frederick and Eliza living together as man and wife in the 1881 census in Cuckfield with son Frederick William Brown, my Grandfather age 9 years and daughter Eliza Jane aged 6 years.
is this the family in 1881 with daughter entered as jane??
1881
4 Triangle Terrace Lindfield
Frederick Brown Head M 43 Bootmaker Huntingdonshire
Eliza wife 50 Dressmaker Lindfield Sussex
Frederick Wiliam son 9 H??? Heath Sussex
Jane daughter 6 H??? Heath Sussex
RG11 1062 59 33
Was "Jane"'s full name Eliza Emma Jane Brown birth reg Sept qtr 1874?
I cannot find a marriage but Eliza Ann on her death certificate 15 Aug 1899 is named as Eliza Brown age 67 wife (or widow?) of Frederick Brown Shoemaker -present at death was Chas Batchelor brother
Suz
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Hi Suz,
Yes you have the correct family in the 1881 census, the daughter is actually Eliza Emma Jane Brown, I knew her as Auntie Ginny and stayed with her in Brighton with my father as a boy. Eliza Ann actually died in 1897 not 1899 at 67 years old, she was born in 1830.
Mike
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there is a tree on A******y which gives Frederick William's death as 1883 Brighton -don't know how well sourced it is
Suz
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Hi Suz,
Thanks, but I have investigated that person and they were a hotel worker. My Frederick william Brown was a bootmaker.
regards
Mike Brown
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The "formerly Knight" is interesting, which makes me wonder about this. The ftaher's name and occupation fits
Eliza Ann Batchelor, full age, father Edward Batchelor, blacksmith
Joseph Comber Knight, full age, father Joseph Knight [edit:widower]
Marriage 9 Mar 1857, St Mary Magdalene Old Fish Street
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There's one obvious candidate for Joseph, who was b c1814 and dies in 1863. However on the probate register and in 1861 he is listed as a widower.
Interestingly his first wife Mary appears to also have been a Batchelor (and he's from Pulborough originally) and looks to be in Lindfield in 1851
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There's a tree on Ancestry that suggests that Mary and Eliza were half sisters - perhaps the marriage was then considered invalid by them, hence them returning to their previous marital states on 1861, but as I can;t find a marriage to Mr Brown, maybe she decided she wasn't sure if she was legally free to marry?
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There's one obvious candidate for Joseph, who was b c1814 and dies in 1863. However on the probate register and in 1861 he is listed as a widower.
Joseph Comber Knight is described as Married in 1861
1841 HO107 725 8 7 8
Joseph Knight is with Mary and son Caleb
1851
HO107 1526 21
Joseph is married and with son Caleb age 12
1851HO107 1642 73 1
Mary Knight age 35 Police Constable's wife and her children Naomi 9,Edward C 2 and Arthur C 1 are visiting her husbands parents and his siblings-Joseph Knight age 55, Louisa 49, Lydia 21and Robert Knight
1851 in Lindfield 2 of Mary Knight (nee Batchelor)'s children Emma age 7 and John age 3 are with their Batchelor Grandparents and aunts and uncles - Edward Batchelor wife Lucy and children Edward, William,Thomas, ELIZA (age 21 dressmaker) and Charles
1861 Joseph Comber Knight is 47 married with children John C 15, Arthur Comber11 and Joseph 7
I can't find Eliza in 1861??
Suz
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I'd seen an Eliza Batchelor in Brighton in 1861 who I thought was her, but 1851 suggests its not, sorry