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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: jc26red on Friday 07 October 16 12:31 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I'm trying to unravel my husband's maternal great grandfather! It's been a difficult line as there have been so many "untruths" ::)
It starts with grandmother's marriage cert stating her father was Mark Payne of the Somerset regiment. As grandmother went by a different first name on the cert, I wasn't too sure any of it was correct. But now irishgenealogy.ie have published birth certs I have managed to trace all his children and it appears he definitely did serve in the 40th reg.
Mark Payne was born c1841 co meath (taken from 1901 Irish census), this is the only reference to his age I have.
Married Bridget Booth on 29 Jan 1871, St Mary's RC Church Drogheda, no occupation listed
children:
1. John Thomas born 7 Dec 1871, Duleek, father Mark is listed as a soldier
2. Mark Payne born 1873... not in Ireland died in 1888 age 15.
3. Mary Anne Payne 6 Oct 1876, Duleek, father Mark listed as a pensioner
4. Kate Payne born 3 Apr 1880, Duleek, father Mark listed as a pensioner
children 5-11 all born in Duleek, father Mark is listed as a labourer.
I have all the baptisms bar 2nd son Mark Payne (all godparents do not appear to be related to Mark or Bridget)
I have now found a birth for 2nd son Mark in the GRO Regimental Birth Indices, which I sent off for yesterday to confirm I have the right person.
1873
Mark Payne
place Lucknow
40th regiment
This appears to confirm the connection to the 40th regiment. I cannot find any service record or pension record for Mark Payne with the approx birth of 1841 and so far have not found his birth or death records! I know he was still alive and living in Duleek in 1907 (Fined for being drunk on the streets of Duleek) ::) ;D
where to next..? Hoping to find some kind of service record still exists which can confirm a birth date and place
I will also post this in armed services section http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757160.msg6071546#msg6071546
any thoughts or ideas very welcome.
Thanks
Jenny
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There's a daughter Margaret born 3 Apr.1880- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGL4-TV9
1901- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Duleek/Duleek_Town/1609404
Have you found wife Bridget in 1911 census or did she die before that?
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I have found at least eleven (11) children in this family:
LINK to civil records (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=payne&location=Drogheda&yyfrom=1871&yyto=1895&type=B&submit=Search)
1 John Thomas b. Dec 7 1871; m. Catherine Callan according to baptism record LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635160#page/81/mode/1up)
2 Mark b. c1873; died 1888 aged 15
3 Mary Anne b. Oct 06 1876; m. William BRIEN/BRYAN Oct 18 1899; poss. 1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Duleek/Commons/1609184/); poss. 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Duleek/Duleek_Town/712695/)
4 Kate b. Aug 23 1878; 1901 census aged 22; poss. 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Duleek/Duleek_Town/712696/)
5 Margaret b. Apr 03 1880
6 William b. Oct 17 1881;
7 Pat b. Mar 09 1883; d. 1883 aged 0
8 Bridget (1) b. Sept 02 1884; d. 1885 aged 0
9 Bridget (2) b. Aug 09 1887; 1901 census aged 13;
10 Joseph b. Jul 04 1889; d. 1889 aged 0
11 James (PAIN) b. Sept 01 1891; 1901 census aged 9; poss. 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Duleek/Roughgrange/709531/)
In 1871 Mark PAYNE is described as a soldier on the birth record of John Thomas
He is described as a pensioner on the births after 1876
Bridget PAYNE died Nov 21 1905 aged 56 at Duleek; Mark was present at death and informant on death record
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Thank you my luck, I do have all of that but not John Thomas's baptism note regarding his marriage.
I shall go and see what I else I can find about him. My husband is descended from Bridget (2) who was later known as Beatrice when she lived and married in London. The marriage note on her baptism confirms she is one and the same person.
I have traced May Anne's family and my 96 year old mother in law confirms the Brien link, she remembers a son called Christopher.
Margaret married a William Sheppard in 1903, confirmed on his service record. They didn't have any children and it looks like they were no longer living together by 1916. In 1939, he is living in Taunton with another woman but no marriage found yet.
James possibly died in Liverpool but no proof it's the right James Pain.
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Trying to read the place that John Thomas and Catherine Callan married in 1926? Also the place where Catherine came from?
nli RC registers are offline at the moment, but still viewable on Ancestry
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01imw/ the note is on the far right of the page
thanks
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looks like Catherine Callan's family ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01imx/
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William born 1872 Drogheda District address Ballymackenny ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03249/2190707.pdf
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1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/St__Peter_s__Drogheda/Ballymakenny/1566889/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/St__Peters__part_of_/Ballymakenny/571133/
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The marriage does not appear to be registered either on Irish Genealogy or Family Search.
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Thanks, I think you have the right Catherine Callan.
I think they may have left Ireland by the time they married in 1926 as it seems it took a few years before the marriage was noted.
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If many of the family moved to England have you consider that Mark PAYNE may have done so also and died there?
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thank you myluck
Trawling through the civil registers, I found Mark Payne's death in Duleek 31 Jul 1908, under the transcribed name of Maur Pain. On the image it says Main Pain, which seems to be the name he went by in the army (see the other thread on armed forces board). His son James, registered his death. His age ties up with his age at enlistment. born c Aug 1836 St Nicholas Galway.
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The marriage does not appear to be registered either on Irish Genealogy or Family Search.
That's because the notation was made against the wrong baptism. Catherine Callan actually married Thomas Sampson 26 Apr 1922, Thomas Sampson was the name below John Payne.
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We came across the same mistake in another topic here a while back until someone noticed same that it was meant for baptism above the one we were researching.