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Title: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:08 BST (UK)
A long shot, but can anyone help me to identify the shop in this photograph?

It was almost certainly in the city of Lincoln.

The young man on the right was born in 1909. I suspect this photo was his first job out of school.

Above the door I can read:
[?? - a name? ending in -LL?]
Wines, Spirits, [??]
[??]
Dealer in Tobacco


Left-hand panel:
[Ag]ents for
Whit[??]
Al[??]

Right-hand panel:
Agents for
Shipstone's


I can make out bottles and jars in the window.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: ScouseBoy on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:17 BST (UK)
Dealer in Tobacco
Suggestions for names ending in  LL
Nuttall
Nursall
Threlfall
Catell
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:25 BST (UK)
Underneath Wines, Spirits and Beer

Not to be drunk on the premises

Possibly:

Agents for Shipstone's Ales and Stouts

Agents for Whitbread's Ales


Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:30 BST (UK)
Underneath Wines, Spirits and Beer

Not to be drunk on the premises

Thank you. So an off-licence retailer.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:34 BST (UK)
A long shot, but can anyone help me to identify the shop in this photograph?

It was almost certainly in the city of Lincoln.

The young man on the right was born in 1909. I suspect this photo was his first job out of school.

Above the door I can read:
[?? - a name? ending in -LL?]
Wines, Spirits, [??]
[??]
Dealer in Tobacco


Left-hand panel:
[Ag]ents for
Whit[??]
Al[??]

Right-hand panel:
Agents for
Shipstone's


I can make out bottles and jars in the window.

Dealer in Tobacco

 ::)

The name beginning with Whit, appears to have an s at the end. It may be a long surname such as Whitttakers, or is may be Whit??? and Sons. There is an Al below it which may be Ales.

I will have a closer look  later.

Added: Agent for Shipstones Ales on the right perhaps? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipstones_Brewery
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:41 BST (UK)
The last letter of Whit looks like an R or D - my first though was Whitbread, though I am not sure if they were ever referred to as Whitbreads Ales.  :-\

Will look later .... :)
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:44 BST (UK)
Added: Agent for Shipstones Ales on the right perhaps? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipstones_Brewery

Thank you both. That Shipstone's Brewery seems very likely as a local company, and Whitbread is a strong possibility for the other panel.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:53 BST (UK)
From 1919 Directory of the City of Lincoln:

Beer Retailers:
Bennett, C - Bargate (image 337)
Lenthall F - 105 High Street (image 339)
Pratt C & Sons - Stonebow

Wine and Spirit Merchants:
Lenthall F (image 394)
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: medpat on Wednesday 12 October 16 10:59 BST (UK)
Is that the name on the small  board above the older man's head. It's above wines and spirits, looks like in capitals. Maybe ending LL or even GGLE. It looks like a publicans/off licence declaration as seller of alcohol.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Geoff-E on Wednesday 12 October 16 12:26 BST (UK)
Shipstones was a Nottingham brewery by the way.

I believe it to be the shop that in 1919 was BLAZE & HOUSLEY - 111 Burton Road, Lincoln.

(I think I can - sort of - make out HOUSLEY)

It is now the Co-oP pharmacy http://www.instantstreetview.com/@53.239044,-0.54488,59.99h,-1.94p,1.38z

EDIT: Where did the young lad live? Somewhere local to there perhaps.

Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Wednesday 12 October 16 12:36 BST (UK)
Is that the name on the small  board above the older man's head. It's above wines and spirits, looks like in capitals. Maybe ending LL or even GGLE. It looks like a publicans/off licence declaration as seller of alcohol.

Thank you medpat, you are right.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Geoff-E on Wednesday 12 October 16 12:38 BST (UK)
I've found a 1914 advert saying that BLAZE and HOUSLEY were "sole agents for Uphill district for Whitbread's Ales and Stouts" :)
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Wednesday 12 October 16 12:41 BST (UK)
Shipstones was a Nottingham brewery by the way.

I believe it to be the shop that in 1919 was BLAZE & HOUSLEY - 111 Burton Road, Lincoln.

(I think I can - sort of - make out HOUSLEY)

It is now the Co-oP pharmacy http://www.instantstreetview.com/@53.239044,-0.54488,59.99h,-1.94p,1.38z

EDIT: Where did the young lad live? Somewhere local to there perhaps.

And thank you Geoff-E. That's inspired. Where can you make out Housley in the photo?

You could well be right. The shape of the door matches; the reflection of the roofline/chimney in the window could well match the row of houses opposite.

I'm intrigued how you made the connection to Blaze & Housley.

The lad in the photo lived on Mill Road and attended the school on Kingsley Street - literally both just around the corner from 111 Burton Road.

Edit

I've found a 1914 advert saying that BLAZE and HOUSLEY were "sole agents for Uphill district for Whitbread's Ales and Stouts" :)

Fantastic! Have you got a source for that please?
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 12 October 16 13:00 BST (UK)
There's a series of ads in the Lincoln papers in 1923 naming G W Housley as the proprietor of Blaze & Housley.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Geoff-E on Wednesday 12 October 16 13:12 BST (UK)
I've found a 1914 advert saying that BLAZE and HOUSLEY were "sole agents for Uphill district for Whitbread's Ales and Stouts" :)

That was Lincolnshire Echo, 30 Nov 1914.

Then in the Echo 16 Dec 1932 -
"Herbert Everton, trading at 111, Burton-road. Lincoln, as a wine and spirit dealer, under the style of Blaze and Housley, attended at Lincoln Bankruptcy Court yesterday ..." Apparently, he took over the business in 1928
Another report (2 Nov 32) gives his name as Arthur Herbert EVERSON which I think is probably correct)

How did I come to the name? I thought I could make out the bottom halves of the letters of SLEY, so I consulted the 1919 Lincoln directory.  "Off licences" didn't work, but "Beer retailers" did. :)

As you say, Kingsley St is very close by http://www.instantstreetview.com/@53.239044,-0.54488,20.07h,-8.41p,1.38z
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Wednesday 12 October 16 20:31 BST (UK)
There's a series of ads in the Lincoln papers in 1923 naming G W Housley as the proprietor of Blaze & Housley.

How did I come to the name? I thought I could make out the bottom halves of the letters of SLEY, so I consulted the 1919 Lincoln directory.  "Off licences" didn't work, but "Beer retailers" did. :)

Both, thank you. Seriously impressive detective work. I thought this one was going to be much harder to solve.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 13 October 16 00:24 BST (UK)
Great result!  :)
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: It's About Lincoln on Sunday 20 November 16 17:31 GMT (UK)
The shop is Whitton and Ashley, wine merchants.  183-4 High Street near the Central Station level crossing.  Building demolished in 1970 for the building of Wigford Way.
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: bibliotaphist on Monday 21 November 16 16:22 GMT (UK)
The shop is Whitton and Ashley, wine merchants.  183-4 High Street near the Central Station level crossing.  Building demolished in 1970 for the building of Wigford Way.

Thank you It's About Lincoln. What makes you believe it is that shop and not the one on Burton Rd discussed above?
Title: Re: Help identifying a shop in Lincoln circa 1923
Post by: Geoff-E on Monday 21 November 16 21:06 GMT (UK)
In defence of my Burton Rd assertion -

Whitton and Ashley's door was on the left. I would suggest the mystery photo appears to have a door in the centre.

Whitton and Ashley have many newspaper adverts in the 1920s.  All seem to say Wine and Spirit Merchants ... but the right hand window appears to have MARGARINE and many cans of food.

As I said before, a Blaze and Housley advert specifically mentioned Whitbread's Ales and Stouts.

They also appear in 1919 directory under "Grocers and Tea Dealers".