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Title: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Thursday 13 October 16 14:33 BST (UK)
Hi there

I've found George's Regular Army Emergency Commission (Cadets from O.C.T.U's.) w.e.f. 31st May 1941, in the Durham Light Infantry, promulgated in the 2nd Supplement to the London Gazette of Tuesday the 17th of June 1941.

There doesn't appear to be anything else for him   ::)

His middle name is an unusual one that features in my tree with another of the same name (born Glasgow 1877 - died Vancouver 1929 married to Evelyn Taylor who served in the Merchant Navy and R.N.R. in WW1.

I can't find a birth for him in Ancestry or on Scotland's People and I'm fairly sure George and Evelyn didn't emigrate.

Can anyone help?

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 13 October 16 14:36 BST (UK)


I've found George's Regular Army Emergency Commission (Cadets from O.C.T.U's.) w.e.f. 31st May 1941, in the Durham Light Infantry, promulgated in the 2nd Supplement to the London Gazette of Tuesday the 17th of June 1941.

There doesn't appear to be anything else for him   ::)



WW2 records are still with the MOD
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651361.0

Rosie
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: nanny jan on Thursday 13 October 16 14:40 BST (UK)

His service record should give details of his birth, next of kin, etc.
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Thursday 13 October 16 15:37 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie  and nanny jan

Unfortunately, George is too distant a relative for the MOD to release his records to me. I was just hoping someone out there may know something  :-\

I'm due to go to Edinburgh next week and will see if there's any records for him although my initial on-line search has come up with nothing.

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: cath151 on Thursday 13 October 16 16:17 BST (UK)
Hi
There is this, not sure what seniority means,
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14637848
It may not be the George you are looking for though, perhaps the one who died in 1929.

Cathy
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 13 October 16 16:56 BST (UK)
SP has a death in South Cowal in 1989: George Badenoch Murray aged 69; and a marriage in Tradeston in 1945 (George Badenock Murray).
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: MaxD on Thursday 13 October 16 17:18 BST (UK)
Cathy

The one you found in the National Archives was a Royal Naval Reserve officer whose date of promotion to Lieutenant (ie his seniority in the rank) dates from 24 July 1917 and is likely the one who died in 1929 as you have guessed.  He appears to have received the DSO in December 1917.

Chiad Ffear  - if you have a death certificate and he died more than 25 years ago then you can apply and get as much info as MOD holds. https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records.   I was going to suggest an email to the DLI Museum only to find it closed in March!  They wouldn't have had his records but may have had him in a list somewhere.
maxD

Just seen ShaunJ's post - him??

Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Thursday 13 October 16 19:29 BST (UK)
Hi everyone and thanks for your input  :)

I have the George who died in 1929 well documented complete with DSO so he doesn't "enter the equation."  It's the one I found in The London Gazette in 1941 that got my interest!

There was a (possible) link on Google to the DLI that included George's middle name - Badenock - but it wouldn't open - possibly as the museum is closed now!

Thanks ShaunJ for finding that 1989 death and 1945 marriage. I'll get them on Wednesday next week when I go over to Edinburgh. The "k" at the end of the middle name was obviously the stumbling block in my search for a marriage and I obviously didn't search forward far enough for the death.

I'll see how the funds work out after next Wednesday and may apply for the records, especially if he turns out to be connected.

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Thursday 13 October 16 20:05 BST (UK)
Hi again

I could be getting closer ... Thinking outside the box, as ShaunJ did, there's a 1920 Birth on ScotlandsPeople for a George BEDENOCH Murray registered in Glasgow, Plantation.

Search is added to Wednesday's list of  "questions to be answered"

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 13 October 16 20:35 BST (UK)
Maybe his folks came from Badenoch (Upper Speyside)?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527) ***COMPLETED***
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Wednesday 02 November 16 11:43 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone

My visit last month to Edinburgh proved well worthwhile when I was able to confirm that George was indeed the son of George Badenoch Murray (senior) and I got all the relevant records.  Even ScotlandsPeople had the middle name recorded with a "k" at the end  :o

Another success is notched up for RootsChat.

Thanks for all the help.

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: ADM on Saturday 17 February 18 20:10 GMT (UK)
Found this quite by chance and wanted to let you know that George Badenoch Murray was my late uncle, Evelyn was my late grandmother who lived in Glasgow.

My grandfather (who I never met) was indeed awarded the DSO in WW1, for sinking a German submarine as I recall.
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Sunday 18 February 18 09:11 GMT (UK)
Hi ADM

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

It's amazing what you can find by just entering a name.  You'll have gathered from my posts that I have a wee bit of information for your uncle and grandparents.  In fact I can go back to your great grandparents James Murray Mason and Eliza Badenoch from Banffshire and John Taylor and Helen Johnston from Newport, Fife and Falkirk, Stirlingshire respectively.

The family connection is through a (very) distant cousin who lives in Brisbane.  He and I share parallel trees dating back to to Lundie sisters who married Todd brothers at the beginning of the 19th Century.  We are each descended from these marriages!

Complicated?  Nothing's quite straightforward in genealogy  8)

I will send you  a personal message with my email so as to be able to send over the information that I have.

Regards

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: ADM on Sunday 18 February 18 10:49 GMT (UK)
Well hello there!

I'm absolutely stunned by this, quite unexpected but a very pleasant surprise nonetheless.

I've sent you a quick email with some further details which may add to your knowledge, I hope it is of interest.

Best regards,

Andrew
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Drew5233 on Monday 19 February 18 23:07 GMT (UK)
If he died more than 26 years ago you do not need NOK approval, anyone can apply. If you are a relative sign the form as the NOK stating you are the nearest known living relative to him.

Don't get too hung up on NOK approval...Its just the MODs way of having an umbrella for the data protection act.
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Tuesday 20 February 18 07:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks Drew5233

I wasn't aware of that.  We live and learn  ;)

Chiad Fhear
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: verrieres on Thursday 19 April 18 23:15 BST (UK)
This may save you some time;-

Served with the Durham Light Infantry he was granted an  Emergency Commission as 2/Lieutenant 31/5/1941, He was posted to the 2nd Bn DLI on the 21st June 1941 (`D` Company) until the 14th November 1941 when he joined 30th (Home) Battalion.He joined the 11th Bn DLI on the 10th February 1942 where he remained until posted to  No 4 I.T.C. at Brancepeth on 1st December 1942, Rejoining 11th  DLI on the 5th October 1943 as signals officer/platoon commander with Hq Company. Served in Normandy with the 11th Battalion where he was promoted to acting Captain in July 1944 and remained with them until they were disbanded 26th August 1944. On the 30th September 1944 he was attached to The York and Lancaster Regiment known as the ` Hallamshire`s`where his promotion to Temp/captain was confirmed in October 1944 he was also wounded 28th October 1944 . Unattached in 1946 . I`ve no information beyond that period

Hope this helps you

Best wishes

Jim
Title: Re: 2nd Lt George Badenoch Murray (189527)
Post by: Chiad Fhear on Friday 20 April 18 21:00 BST (UK)
Hi Jim

Many thanks for the bio for 'young' George.  I've been out all day and just accessed my emails on return home.

I have more information for George including marriage in 1945, children born 1948, 1951 and 1953 and his death in 1989. If you are interested please send me a PM with your email.

Regards

Chiad Fhear