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General => Armed Forces => World War Two => Topic started by: Chiad Fhear on Thursday 13 October 16 14:33 BST (UK)
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Hi there
I've found George's Regular Army Emergency Commission (Cadets from O.C.T.U's.) w.e.f. 31st May 1941, in the Durham Light Infantry, promulgated in the 2nd Supplement to the London Gazette of Tuesday the 17th of June 1941.
There doesn't appear to be anything else for him ::)
His middle name is an unusual one that features in my tree with another of the same name (born Glasgow 1877 - died Vancouver 1929 married to Evelyn Taylor who served in the Merchant Navy and R.N.R. in WW1.
I can't find a birth for him in Ancestry or on Scotland's People and I'm fairly sure George and Evelyn didn't emigrate.
Can anyone help?
Chiad Fhear
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I've found George's Regular Army Emergency Commission (Cadets from O.C.T.U's.) w.e.f. 31st May 1941, in the Durham Light Infantry, promulgated in the 2nd Supplement to the London Gazette of Tuesday the 17th of June 1941.
There doesn't appear to be anything else for him ::)
WW2 records are still with the MOD
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651361.0
Rosie
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His service record should give details of his birth, next of kin, etc.
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Hi Rosie and nanny jan
Unfortunately, George is too distant a relative for the MOD to release his records to me. I was just hoping someone out there may know something :-\
I'm due to go to Edinburgh next week and will see if there's any records for him although my initial on-line search has come up with nothing.
Chiad Fhear
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Hi
There is this, not sure what seniority means,
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14637848
It may not be the George you are looking for though, perhaps the one who died in 1929.
Cathy
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SP has a death in South Cowal in 1989: George Badenoch Murray aged 69; and a marriage in Tradeston in 1945 (George Badenock Murray).
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Cathy
The one you found in the National Archives was a Royal Naval Reserve officer whose date of promotion to Lieutenant (ie his seniority in the rank) dates from 24 July 1917 and is likely the one who died in 1929 as you have guessed. He appears to have received the DSO in December 1917.
Chiad Ffear - if you have a death certificate and he died more than 25 years ago then you can apply and get as much info as MOD holds. https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records. I was going to suggest an email to the DLI Museum only to find it closed in March! They wouldn't have had his records but may have had him in a list somewhere.
maxD
Just seen ShaunJ's post - him??
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Hi everyone and thanks for your input :)
I have the George who died in 1929 well documented complete with DSO so he doesn't "enter the equation." It's the one I found in The London Gazette in 1941 that got my interest!
There was a (possible) link on Google to the DLI that included George's middle name - Badenock - but it wouldn't open - possibly as the museum is closed now!
Thanks ShaunJ for finding that 1989 death and 1945 marriage. I'll get them on Wednesday next week when I go over to Edinburgh. The "k" at the end of the middle name was obviously the stumbling block in my search for a marriage and I obviously didn't search forward far enough for the death.
I'll see how the funds work out after next Wednesday and may apply for the records, especially if he turns out to be connected.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi again
I could be getting closer ... Thinking outside the box, as ShaunJ did, there's a 1920 Birth on ScotlandsPeople for a George BEDENOCH Murray registered in Glasgow, Plantation.
Search is added to Wednesday's list of "questions to be answered"
Chiad Fhear
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Maybe his folks came from Badenoch (Upper Speyside)?
Skoosh.
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Hi everyone
My visit last month to Edinburgh proved well worthwhile when I was able to confirm that George was indeed the son of George Badenoch Murray (senior) and I got all the relevant records. Even ScotlandsPeople had the middle name recorded with a "k" at the end :o
Another success is notched up for RootsChat.
Thanks for all the help.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Found this quite by chance and wanted to let you know that George Badenoch Murray was my late uncle, Evelyn was my late grandmother who lived in Glasgow.
My grandfather (who I never met) was indeed awarded the DSO in WW1, for sinking a German submarine as I recall.
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Hi ADM
Welcome to RootsChat :)
It's amazing what you can find by just entering a name. You'll have gathered from my posts that I have a wee bit of information for your uncle and grandparents. In fact I can go back to your great grandparents James Murray Mason and Eliza Badenoch from Banffshire and John Taylor and Helen Johnston from Newport, Fife and Falkirk, Stirlingshire respectively.
The family connection is through a (very) distant cousin who lives in Brisbane. He and I share parallel trees dating back to to Lundie sisters who married Todd brothers at the beginning of the 19th Century. We are each descended from these marriages!
Complicated? Nothing's quite straightforward in genealogy 8)
I will send you a personal message with my email so as to be able to send over the information that I have.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Well hello there!
I'm absolutely stunned by this, quite unexpected but a very pleasant surprise nonetheless.
I've sent you a quick email with some further details which may add to your knowledge, I hope it is of interest.
Best regards,
Andrew
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If he died more than 26 years ago you do not need NOK approval, anyone can apply. If you are a relative sign the form as the NOK stating you are the nearest known living relative to him.
Don't get too hung up on NOK approval...Its just the MODs way of having an umbrella for the data protection act.
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Thanks Drew5233
I wasn't aware of that. We live and learn ;)
Chiad Fhear
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This may save you some time;-
Served with the Durham Light Infantry he was granted an Emergency Commission as 2/Lieutenant 31/5/1941, He was posted to the 2nd Bn DLI on the 21st June 1941 (`D` Company) until the 14th November 1941 when he joined 30th (Home) Battalion.He joined the 11th Bn DLI on the 10th February 1942 where he remained until posted to No 4 I.T.C. at Brancepeth on 1st December 1942, Rejoining 11th DLI on the 5th October 1943 as signals officer/platoon commander with Hq Company. Served in Normandy with the 11th Battalion where he was promoted to acting Captain in July 1944 and remained with them until they were disbanded 26th August 1944. On the 30th September 1944 he was attached to The York and Lancaster Regiment known as the ` Hallamshire`s`where his promotion to Temp/captain was confirmed in October 1944 he was also wounded 28th October 1944 . Unattached in 1946 . I`ve no information beyond that period
Hope this helps you
Best wishes
Jim
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Hi Jim
Many thanks for the bio for 'young' George. I've been out all day and just accessed my emails on return home.
I have more information for George including marriage in 1945, children born 1948, 1951 and 1953 and his death in 1989. If you are interested please send me a PM with your email.
Regards
Chiad Fhear