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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: dini on Friday 14 October 16 11:09 BST (UK)
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William Ball was my 3rd great grandfather.
I am looking for his date of death.
This is what I know.
Birth: 1782 in Badgeworth, Gloucestershire, England Baptism: 27 Oct 1782 in Badgeworth, Gloucestershire, England.
Marriage: 08 Nov 1802 in Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, to Mary Smith.
Children: Sarah Ball and Thomas Ball, born in Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire.
William Peter Smith Ball, born in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
George Ball, Shadrack Ball, Ealif Ball, Emily Bal, James Ball, all born in High Wycombe.
His wife Mary died in 1849: her death certificate mentions her as widow of William Ball, confectioner.
Their daughter Emily was present at the death.
I have found no trace in the 1841 Census of either William or Mary Ball, so I assume that William died before 1841.
I have uncovered a number of death index entries for William Ball deaths in Wycombe for the period leading up to 1841 - but which is the right one?
Surname First name District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1838
Ball William Wycombe 6 353
BALL William Wycombe 6 363
Deaths Jun 1838
Ball William Newport &c. 6 68
Ball William Wycombe 6 328
Deaths Jun 1839
Ball William Amersham 6 201
Deaths Sep 1839
Ball William Wycombe 6 255
Ball William Wycombe 6 256
Deaths Dec 1840
Ball William Wycombe 6 311
Has anyone the solution to the problem??
Ayways willing to share information with folks with a common interest.
David
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Where did Mary die. Have you checked to see if she is buried with William
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His wife Mary died in 1849: her death certificate mentions her as widow of William Ball, confectioner.
Their daughter Emily was present at the death.
I have found no trace in the 1841 Census of either William or Mary Ball, so I assume that William died before 1841.
Not necessarily as you don't have Mary in 1841 either (they could be missing but together) but certainly before 1849 if Mary is described as a widow.
Do you have daughter Emily in 1841?
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There is a family tree with William Ball's death 1824 Badgeworth.
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Marriage: 08 Nov 1802 in Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, to Mary Smith.
Children: Sarah Ball and Thomas Ball, born in Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire.
William Peter Smith Ball, born in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
George Ball, Shadrack Ball, Ealif Ball, Emily Bal, James Ball, all born in High Wycombe.
George Ball
Shadrack Ball bapt 1817
Ealif Ball bapt 1819
Emily Ball bapt 1822
James Ball
Williams death some time after 1821
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Thanks, everyone, for the replies and advice.
Mary died at Easton Street, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England. I have no burial register evidence, so do not know if she might have been buried with William. I'll have to follow that up by getting a search of Ball burials up to 1837. I was loath to do this because my Ball family only moved to Wycombe after 1809 - so not so many bodies needed burial.
As for Emily, I found no 1841 Census for her either. I have the 1851 Census, when she was alone and single, though living with another young women and a child - presumably her daughter.
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Ball 29
Emily M Ball 6
Sarah Lacey 23
She married in 1853.
William was alive in 1826, as evidenced by son James' baptism register entry.
James Ball
England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
Name James Ball
Event Type Baptism
Christening Date 20 Jul 1826
Father's Name William Ball
Mother's Name Mary Ball
So I will have to bite the bullet and buy me a search of the Wycombe Parish Register.
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James Ball
England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
Name James Ball
Event Type Baptism
Christening Date 20 Jul 1826
Father's Name William Ball
Mother's Name Mary Ball
Where did that baptism take place, I can only see the three I listed on Crendon Lane, High Wycombe registers :-\
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The 1841 for Easton Street, Chipping Wycombe is damaged and in some parts illegible
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Pity about the damage to the 1841 Census - thanks for the information and I now know where not to look further. I have no information about place of baptism. The only definite solution would be to look into the original register. I only have access to transcripted data which may be incomplete.
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1841 census.
Mary Ball c1753. n.b.i.c.
Samuel Ball c1791. b.i.c Occ Tailor.
Ann Ball c1797. n.b.i.c.
Address - Queen Sqr. ? Chipping Wycombe.
These may, or may not be connected.
I would suggest a burials and baptisms search from BucksFHS, for any relatives you have found. You may get more information, than you would from FamilySearch.
These searches will be a lot cheaper than a cert. It will also help you narrow down any certs you may require. £1 per individual search, which will cover up to 100 years each individual, for either baptism, marriage or burial. This will be for all of Buckinghamshire.
Just two questions.
How sure are you they originated from Gloucestershire.?
Did any of William Balls family members, carry on his trade.?
Steve. :)
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Thank you Steve for your comments and questions.
I am already a good customer of BucksFHS. They have carried out many searches for me, and I have obtained parish registers for areas where my family was concentrated. There was just this last
problem with William Ball that was open. I will just bite the bullet.
Yes, the William Ball family did come from Gloucestershire, where I have traced them back a couple of generations. I have the necessary parish register records as satisfactory documentation.
Of the sons, one became a confectioner, the others became cordwainer, chairmaker and bricklayer.
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One reason I asked this, was that in my Home Town of Princes Risborough, albeit 170 odd years later, there was a Robin Ball, who owned a Confectionery and newspaper shop.
I know this is purely speculative, but the surname and 'sweet's', just rang a small bell.
Good luck and good hunting.
Steve. :)
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Well now, what a coincidence!
I remember Robin Ball and his predecessors, the two spinster ladies, one tall and thin and the other short and fat, who ran the sweet shop.
Mr Green, the fishmonger, who had a stall at the market place, also lodged in my memory, as did Mr East who delivered the coal and Mr Woods who once explained pasteurisation to me at Town Farm.
I was brought up in Risborough, but gradually lost contact when I went to RGS.
I left the UK in my early twenties and return only very occasionally.
David
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Fishmonger......was that Mr Whitmee. ??
The Greenhouse was the sweet shop(later to become Grannies Pantry), but the names of the sisters escape me. And yes, I also recall very well the others you mention. ;D
Steve. :)