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I am researching my Elley family history which is mainly linked to Tasmania. I have traced back to my Gt-Gt-Gt Grandfather John Adams Elley and his wife Sarah King Macphail. I have just found this site and a number of comments about John and Sarah which were posted in 2011. Most of the information I have is identical to that posted on roots.com. I am hoping someone in the UK can shed some light though. John and Sarah had a son, also called John who was born in 1820. He is my Gt-Gt-Grandfather and he travelled to Tasmania some time between 1820 and 1846 when he married a Louisa Wells in Tasmania. I would like to find out when he left England. I can find nothing on any site I have researched, including immigrants listings into Tasmania. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Grateful thanks.
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He is not with his family on the 1841 census.
Jennifer
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Might be him at 15 Woods Buildings Lambeth aged 20 a Sailor in 1841 census?
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A mention of a John Elley in TAS in '43, third last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2952578
It would appear that there is more than one John Elley in TAS around that time.
Marraige of their son William George, first column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12727242
Jamjar
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I am researching my Elley family history which is mainly linked to Tasmania. I have traced back to my Gt-Gt-Gt Grandfather John Adams Elley and his wife Sarah King Macphail. I have just found this site and a number of comments about John and Sarah which were posted in 2011. Most of the information I have is identical to that posted on roots.com. I am hoping someone in the UK can shed some light though. John and Sarah had a son, also called John who was born in 1820. He is my Gt-Gt-Grandfather and he travelled to Tasmania some time between 1820 and 1846 when he married a Louisa Wells in Tasmania. I would like to find out when he left England. I can find nothing on any site I have researched, including immigrants listings into Tasmania. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Grateful thanks.
Hi do you know where in UK the family originated? I guess you may have the following record of a John Elley Departing on 14/4/1852 from Hobart to Melbourne ship Harriet Nathan, Occ Gold Digger age 35 which would make his birth date circa 1817
There is a Baptism for a William MacPhail Elley 10th July 1831 Birth 12th June 1831 Saint Leonards Shoreditch London. Parents John Adams Elley Mother Sarah King. This may help to narrow down place of origin for family as it seems to be the parents you mention.
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Thank you all so much for replying - there are so many Elleys and so many Johns!!! John Adams Elley's son also called John would, I think, have left the UK prior to the 1841 Census because he's not listed with his other brothers, sisters and parents. In Tasmania, John and his wife Louisa had a son called William George. I have seen the listing of a John Elley departing from Hobart to Melbourne but I am sure he's not mine. I would ideally like to find out when John left the UK and arrived in Hobart but as mentioned, the immigrant lists I have searched do not mention him. I have all relevant information from his marriage to Louisa in Tasmania onwards - it's just the departure from UK that I'm stuck on.
Rgds - Lyn.
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I think that could be him I have listed on the 1841 census as a Sailor, he may be on crew lists?
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I can find nothing on any site I have researched, including immigrants listings into Tasmania. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Grateful thanks.
Only some immigration records survive for the port of Hobart and very few for other ports in Tasmania and if he paid his own way he may not be recorded by name. There are no UK departure records for that time period. The name could easily be recorded as ELLIS or something similar. There was a John HEALEY who arrived from Port Philip in 1842.
John was a Gentleman/District Constable/Chief Constable/Poundkeeper/Inspector of Stock etc. and Licenced Victualler.
Apparently the two youngest children were not his. He deserted Louisa and left the colony in the early/mid 1850s. Unfortunately when Louisa applied to have two children admitted to the Orphan School in 1862 they recorded that the father was native born instead of naming his ship of arrival. He was again recorded as native born when the other children were admitted in 1863 after Louisa died.
I guess you may have the following record of a John Elley Departing on 14/4/1852 from Hobart to Melbourne ship Harriet Nathan, Occ Gold Digger age 35 which would make his birth date circa 1817
This may well be him as it was not long after his second bankruptcy and the ensuing hoo ha. He would have had to return though if he was the father of William born c1856.
Debra :)
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You need to contact Tas Archives to see if they can check the gaol admission records for 1851. They should name John's ship of arrival.
http://sltas.altarama.com/reft100.aspx?pmi=EMRt0B1LA2
Debra :)
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"... I have all relevant information from his marriage to Louisa in Tasmania onwards"
Can you give this information please. When and where did Jon and Louisa die?
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Louisa's death is here:
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-32p95j2k
I haven't been able to find John on the mainland.
Debra :)
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Many thanks for the information - John Elley, son of John Adams Elley, married Louisa Wells on 19th Sept 1846 at St Matthews Parish Church, New Norfolk, Hobart. Louisa was the 4th daughter of Mrs Charlotte Rushworth Wells (nee Browne) and Mr. Thomas Wells of New Norfolk. Louisa died on 9th March 1863 aged 41yrs of consumption. Her death was informed by Mr Thomas Terry of "Slateford", Hayes, New Norfolk. Death was registered on 11th March 1863. At this time her husband John had left her. Their children were placed in the Queen's Orphan School. On the Application form he is noted as being "native born" - this was incorrect. (Their Orphan Regn. No's were 1706,7,8,9 and 10.). I can find no record of John's death. As you have suggested I will contact Tas Archives to see if I can find the admission. Once again - many thanks. Rgds - Lyn.
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How have you confirmed that your John ELLEY is the son of John Adams ELLEY and his wife Sarah King McPhail?.
There are two orphanage records that give your John ELLEY as native born. One is made before the death of his wife, when most likely she is the source of that information.
The other is made after her death, when someone else is the informant.
Reference to your John ELLEY being native born is incorrect if he is the son of John Adams ELLEY and his wife Sarah King McPhail. Is your information about his parentage from a reputable source, well researched etc. I cannot find the roots.com that you have used.
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I have looked through approx. 20 sites including Familysearch, PapersPast, Linctus and other Tasmanian sites. I have followed right through to my father with the names of each generation and I think I've got it right. The records for the Queen's Orphan School are incorrect - they say John is Native Born - he was not. An earlier reply suggested I check gaol records after the Insolvency Case but I have read the court notes and he was found not guilty so that's no help as to the name of the vessel he entered on. Thanks so much for your suggestions and help. Rgds - Lyn
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As John Elley's death has not been found I think Wivenhoe is asking where the details of his parents have come from?
I note that a few trees show a daughter Sarah Matilda McPhail Elley b.1852 - is it the instance of McPhail in her name which has made people think that John was the son of John Adams Elley and Sarah King McPhail?
Annette
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Annette7 - the documentation I have regarding John Adams Elley etc. is mainly from FamilySearch.org.
John Adams Elley & Sarah King MacPhail married.
They had a son John who I assumed travelled to Tasmania.
John married Louisa Wells and they had a daughter called Sarah Matilda McPhail b. 16.11.52 in New Norfolk Tasmania. This was my thinking (the word MacPhail) that I had the right John Elley.
On the England Births & Christenings via FamilySearch.org son John's father is listed as John Adams Elley and mother is Sarah King (McPhail). On the same listing he is shown to have married Louisa Wells.
Sarah Matilda McPhail Elley (John & Louisa's daughter) died in 1925 and in the death notice it says "granddaughter of Major General Sir John Elley". Lieutenant-General Sir John Elley never married but had an illegitimate son who was said to have gone to Tasmania. This would make the link to John Adams Elley incorrect.
John & Louisa's son William George is my great grandfather - this is confirmed in family papers.
Thanks - Lyn.