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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: brendariani on Wednesday 19 October 16 20:30 BST (UK)
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Hi I wondered if anyone can help me try to find what happened to my Great Grandfather Thomas Leonard. My Great Grandmother was named Ellen Collins, she married Thomas Leonard and was living in 25 Longford Street, Arvagh Cavan in the the 1911 census with her children one being my Grandmother Mary Leonard Her Mother Margaret Collins, sister Mary and brother Patrick also lived at that address. Ellen died possibly in her early forties of a brain tumour and after her funeral my Great Grandfather asked my Grandmother who was then 19 yrs old to take the children back home and he would follow. He never did and she never saw him again. My Grandmother had to take some of the children (as there were by then 8 or 9 of them ) to Belfast to her Aunt Mary's to raise as she went out to work to support them. Ovee the years she often talked about her Dad and wanted to know what had happened to him before she died.Unfortunately she never got the chance.My own Mother is in her 70's and she too would love to know what happened to him in honour of her Mum. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks.
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Hi welcome to Rootschat!?
If you change the title of your request to something more meaningful, then people cqn be aware of what the query is about without reading it all through.ie if the title interests them . . . . .
Regards
Ray
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/25381b8389245
Name Thomas LEONARD
Year of Death 1950
Group Registration ID 2265084
SR District/Reg Area Longford
Deceased Age at Death 91
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Thanks so much. I think Ellen Collins was born around 1881 maybe in Co Monaghan. I'm not sure what the age difference was between herself and Thomas. I wondered if there was any news coverage when Thomas went missing around 1922. Much appreciated Ray.
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Here's the link to the 1911 census entry- 25 is merely the enumerator's reference for the household-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Arvagh/Longford_Street/319377
You can see on this image that there is no street number-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001693102/
Have you found a marriage for Thomas and Ellen?
Son Thomas' birth (1907) gives father's occupation as dealer-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01707/1676574.pdf
Same occupation on son Patrick's birth (1909)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01611/1646256.pdf
and for Joseph's birth (1911)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01527/1619371.pdf
In 1913 daughter Ellen's birth lists him as a pedlar-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01429/1586221.pdf
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Thank you very much for the information. Much appreciated. Unfortunately I do not have a marriage certificate for Thomas and Ellen as I do not have much information. I see from the 1911 census they were martied 8 years, so I guess it's around 1903.
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I am overwhelmed with the information so far. I am seeing my Mum tonight, she will be delighted. I'm not sure how much older or younger Thomas was than Ellen. So sad my Grandmother never saw him again after her Mum's funeral. I'm sure there would have been some inquiry into his disappearance. My Grandmother was nineteen at the time of her Mother's death so ot must have been around 1922. If I could find a death certificate that would be great. Many Thanks to all.
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There may have been a newspaper report (perhaps even copied to papers outside the area as 'human interest' story) and he may have been reported to police as missing or abandoning his children although it's possible the family didn't report the matter in case the children were taken into care.
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Yes, I suppose that's true. My Grandmother brought the youngest children to Belfast. I know they attended the parish of Kilashandra and wondered if there were records relating to Ellen's death around 1922-1924 or thereabouts. Then we might be able to locate the cemetary she is buried in and go visit. Woukd you know would I obtain this information? Many thanks
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Unfortunately Irish death certificates don't list place of burial and most Catholic churches don't keep burial records.
There may or may not have been a notice of her death put in the local paper but if there was itt may not give funeral details.
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Thanks for the information. Would you happen to know the name of the closest cemetary to Killeshandra?also know how I would find a marriage certificate? I think they were married around 1903? Many thanks.
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I couldn't find their marriage previously which is why I asked if you had it :-\
Maybe you'll have better luck- usually best to start with few details then use options on left side of search results to narrow down possibilities-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
http://home.wavecable.com/~colin/genuki/CAV/Killeshandara/
Just remember that many families didn't have the extra money to erect a headstone and in this particular case husband wasn't there to do so.
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Yes I don't suppose they would have had the money as their Dad disappeared. I'm not too good at this lol. How would I go about finding a birth registration for Co Monaghan? Don't know any other information other than Ellen was born around 1881 in Co Monaghan. Her Mum was Margaret Collins formerly Delaney. Don't know who her father was. Many thanks
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Might be a co-incidence but a James Collins & Margaret Delany had a son born 1879 Dublin-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRQQ-3S3
You can search for births here-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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I have posted on this thread about possibilities for Thomas in censuses
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768626.0
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Thanks for the information. Would you happen to know the name of the closest cemetary to Killeshandra?also know how I would find a marriage certificate? I think they were married around 1903? Many thanks.
The nearest cemetery to Killeshandra would be Killeshandra.