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Title: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 00:56 BST (UK)
I'm looking for the marriage of Henry O'Donnell to Evelyn Thomas. Before or in 1921. There is a Trove article re: Henry falling of a bridge with a 4 month old babe in his arms in 1921.

I believe I have Henry buried at Rockhampton cemetery in 1979 aged 82, thus birth 1897. Haven't found reference to Evelyn.

There are Trove reference, but they say Mr and Mrs H O'Donnell.

The reason I think Evelyn is a Thomas is that Mr and Mrs H are mentioned in the death notice of Robert Thomas which is worded in a way to suggest she is his daughter.

Jamjar

ADDED: Henry's death isn't showing on BDM, but he is in the cemetery and his granddaughter recalls his death.
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 01:43 BST (UK)
Is anyone able to find them on an electoral roll, please?

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Connell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: cando on Sunday 23 October 16 01:54 BST (UK)
Is Henry his full name please?

Cando
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 01:56 BST (UK)
As far as we know, Cando.

Could have Frederick as a middle name, though.

If only I could find a marriage cert, I'd purchase it.  :'(

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 01:58 BST (UK)
There is a 1979 death registration for a Henry Frederick, but it is for O'Donnell.  :-\

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Connell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: cando on Sunday 23 October 16 02:13 BST (UK)
Can you link the articles on TROVE please.

The only marriage I can see for a couple who lived in Rockhampton on the electoral rolls.

1914/B015553
O'CONNELL Henry Thomas
POSTLETHWAITE Martha
10 Sep 1914

Death - but it is in the Brisbane region.
1975/B64561   
O'CONNELL Henry Thomas   
Father Patrick   Mother Bridget BRENNAN

Which party are you researching...Henry or Evelyn?

The Henry O* death you have appear to have identified at the Rockhampton cemetery is for Henry Frederick O'DONNELL died 1979 aged 82 buried Anglican.


Cheers
Cando


Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 02:35 BST (UK)
My apologies for my early morning stupidity!  :o

It is most definitely O'Donnell.

I have removed all the O'Connell and substituted O'Donnell.

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 02:49 BST (UK)
Have his death certificate and it is the correct one.

It says he was born in Rockhampton to Belmont and Dorothy - no maiden name.

No marriage or wife listed, which is interesting as it was his son who was informant.

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 02:56 BST (UK)
Cando, this is the death notice for Robert Thomas for your interpretation:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56090855

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 23 October 16 03:18 BST (UK)
Just trying to make sense of the electoral rolls for you now.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 03:22 BST (UK)
Thank you, Debra.

There is a marriage of Belmont and a Mary Ann Hunter - 1884, not Dorothy.

Belmont death: 1936 C2026 Belmont O'Donnell parents John and Flora McDonald Murchie

Belmont birth: 1862 C880 Hubert Belmont O'Donnell parents John and Flora MacDonald Murchie

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 23 October 16 04:01 BST (UK)
1922/1925/1928/1930/1932/1934/1936/1937
Henry Frederick O'DONNELL
Zilzie Road, Emu Park, Labourer

Same street 1922-1937:

Arthur, Dorothea Johanna and Hannah Martha

1943/1949

Henry Frederick O'DONNELL
Zilzie Road, Emu Park, Labourer

Dorothea Johanna is still with him but Arthur and Hannah have moved to Nerimbera.

I don't think Henry was married to anyone.  Perhaps the lady you are after is Evelyn Maude THOMAS who married George William SMITH in 1913.  She was also living in Zilzie Road without George up to 1943.

Debra  :)

Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: judb on Sunday 23 October 16 04:07 BST (UK)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/69785697

is the reference for the bridge fall of Henry O'Donnell in 1921.

Judith
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 23 October 16 04:12 BST (UK)
Births

1894   C11852
Arthur COEHICK
Mother: Dorothea Johanna COEHICK

1897   C11746
Henry Frederick COENIK
Mother: Dorothea Johanna COENIK

Debra  :)

Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 04:13 BST (UK)
Thank you, Dundee.

Looks like Henry was illegitimate:

1897   C11746 Henry Frederick Coenik no father listed Dorothea Johanna Coenik

1902   C12091 Ellen Emily Coenik no father listed Dorothy Johana Coenik

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 23 October 16 04:14 BST (UK)
Death of Dorothea-

1960 C5559 Dorothea Johanna O'DONNELL
Father - CORNICK
Mother Sophia -
Comment** born at see off Denmark aged 87 years
 
Sue
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 04:19 BST (UK)
This is excellent, thank you.  ;D

Makes me wonder if she lived with Belmont at some stage.

Jamjar
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 04:23 BST (UK)
Debra, there are 12 children credited to Henry and yes, I'm guessing that you have found the correct Evelyn Thomas.  ;D

Jamjar

This wouldn't be possible, though: She was also living in Zilzie Road without George up to 1943.


Arthur's death: 1967 C4619 Arthur O'Donnell Albert Belmont O'Donnell Dorothy Cornick

Belmont's brother's death: 1944 C5106 Arthur Hugh O'Donnell John Alfred Flora McDonald Murchie
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 04:41 BST (UK)
It is looking like Henry is not the father of all 12 children. George was mentioned as a brother at my Maud's funeral, last year. She is known as daughter of Henry.

There are two of the 12 not on his death certificate. I had assumed that the were deceased, but I believe they were omitted as they are the children of Evelyn an George.

The first child listed as Henry's was born in 1921.

Birth: 1913 C12170 George William Smith George William and Evelyn Maud Thomas
 
Death: 1962 B54055 George William Smith George William Evelyn Maud Thomas
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 23 October 16 05:09 BST (UK)
Looks like George William SMITH probably deserted his wife.
His WW1 service file might be worth reading ;)

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1779526
Title: Re: O'Donnell of Emu Park, Qld
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 23 October 16 05:35 BST (UK)
Looks like George William SMITH probably deserted his wife.
His WW1 service file might be worth reading ;)

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1779526

Yes, it certainly does look that way.  :-[

Jamjar