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Hello all can some one tell me what (als) means.
Record reads Fawconner als Bucke Milburge kingslear southhants dated 1653-4.
After searching high and low I can find no connection to these two people.
I have posted some information about the father of Milburge on Military
if this helps.
Miburge sometimes Milbrowe 1623 Severn stoke Worcestershire.
Also is this name English? never come across it before.
regards tobyma123. :)
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als is short for Alias.
Very common in the West of England ;D
see: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/NamesPersonal/AliasesDiscriminant
and: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/NamesPersonal/Aliases
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Hello KGarrad I have just read your link feel a bit dim.
When it came to a will then was Milburge married to Fawconer ?.
It also puzzled me that this record says Hampshire, there were Fawconer or Fauconer
families living at Kingsleare or kingsclere.
Why would it have been in Somerset?.
I have picked up a marriage later spelling of names a bit off but it could be
Milberrou? Bach? 22nd Feb 1668 Dymock Glouces- William Burrup.
She would have been in her 40's could this be second marriage?.
Should I post on Hampshire and Somerset to see if any one can come up with anything?.
Thanks.
tobyma123. ???
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Your post is very muddled? Leaving me very confused???
What record? You haven't explained what the record is, or where you found it.
There were many reasons that families used an "alias" - and usually followed down the generations.
(Re-read the articles for a better explanation)
There's no mention of Somerset in your original post? Where did this come from?
What is the reference to a will?
Can you please explain what this query is all about?
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Hello KGarrad when I was looking for more information on Milburge Bucke this
record appeared on Ancestry.
It is as follows The Perogative Court of Canterbury Preserved in Principal Probate Registry,
Somerset, Vol 111 Folio 196.
It reads as I stated in my post.
When reading the links you gave me the only bit that I think that might fit this record
is when a married woman's alias is her maiden name.
Is that any clearer.
Thanks tobyma123. :)
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Good old Ancestry ! If you look at the source information below the search form that should read preserved in the Principal Probate Registry , Somerset House, London. Nothing to do with Somerset , the County !
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Beat me to it, CB53! ;D
The research conducted by Mike Brown (in those 2 documents I linked to) says:
But an interesting factor which emerged, not previously fully appreciated, or understood, is that all of the aliases so far discovered were very localised, either exclusive to one parish, or found only in a compact group of a few neighbouring parishes. This factor points strongly towards the use of many aliases in order to protect the inheritance, or interests, of children in a single generation.
An origin for some aliases emerged during the research, used to identify children of a previous marriage, presumably in order to protect their inheritance.
He also states: These rather strange results call for explanation. And I wish that I could provide one!
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Hello CB53 thanks for that if you have any more suggestions would be glad to hear them.
regards tobyma123. :)
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Hello KGarrad yes as clear as mud as he says an explanation would be a good idea.
What would you suggest now as a next step?.
regards tobyma123 :)
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How does Milburge/Milbrowe Bucke fit into your family tree?
The records you have found are also on FamilySearch:
Baptism: 24 June 1623, Severn Stoke, Worcestershire
Milbrowe Buck, daughter of Brutus Buck
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGS9-RVL
Marriage: 22nd February 1668, Dymock, Gloucestershire
Milberrow Bach to William Burrupp
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL8D-SM7
There is a Monastary of St Milburge in Much Wenlock, Shropshire?
And about the name:
http://www.name-doctor.com/name-milburge-meaning-of-milburge-48231.html
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Hello all can some one tell me what (als) means.
Als is short for Alias. It simply means 'otherwise'. It identifies any alternative name by which someone was known.
If you look at the image of this record, rather than at Ancestry's half-baked attempt to index it, you will see that the actual source is the Index of Acts of Administration in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury (PCC) for 1653-54, volume 3 (not 111), folio 196.
A grant of administration is made when someone applies to the court to handle the estate of someone who had died without leaving a valid will.
So this entry suggests that Milburge BUCKE, otherwise known as Milburge FAWCONER, of Kingsclere in Hampshire, had died by 1653/54 without leaving a valid will, and that someone had applied to the court to handle her estate.
The original records of grants of Administration in the PCC, which would tell you who that person was, are no longer held at Somerset House. They are the National Archives (PROB 6). They are not online.
A possible interpretation of als in this case is that FAWCONER/FALKNER (or a variant) was the married surname of Milburge BUCKE. Have you tried looking for a marriage for Milburge?
It may be difficult to pursue this, as it is the Commonwealth Period, when records can be a bit thin on the ground.
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Hello Bookbox thank you so much for this information.
I have looked for a marriage for her but no luck, tried Severn Stoke and Hampshire.
Hampshire would fit as her father was as in my earlier post, stationed at the fort Sandown
Isle of Wight.
The only marriage name not quite right is Milberrou Bach 22nd Feb 1668-William Burrup Dymock
Gloucestershire.
However if you are telling me she died 1653 abt it cannot be the one.
The Bucke's are a well known family in Worcestershire connected to the Wilmslow and Clifton
families.
I am descended from the Clifton's.
Family can be found on History on Line Severn Stoke.
Although at the moment I am stuck as I will explain to KGarrad as he asked for my tree.
regards tobyma123. :)
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Hello KGarrad thank you yes Milburge was made a saint, granddaughter of Penda king of Mercia.
Brutus must have been well educated to know about her 7th centuary different county Salop.
Bookbox tells me that Milburge died about 1653 so marriage to Burrup is not correct.
My tree I thought after 5 years of research goes back to Nicholas Clifton-1588 Severn stoke,my
11th grandfather.
Thomas his son 1541 Severn stoke had two daughters Elianor abt 1570 no (bap),and Ann 1573
Severn Stoke.
Elianor married-Bucke Brutus was their son(no bap or marr)for him.
Brutus had two daughters Milburge 1623 and Mary 1524 Severn Stoke.
However now I am stuck.
I had a researcher look at Thomas Clifton 1541 I have his will dated 17th may 1575.
My next ancestor is John Clifton 1582 Birtsmorton Worces son of Thomas Clifton and
Johanne Turner marriage 18th Feb 1581 Birtsmorton.
After that my tree is complete to my grandfather 1895.
Thomas Clifton 1541 had two brothers Edwardus 1540 and Franciscus 1543 Severn Stoke.
So there you have it to say I am at a loss is a understatement.
regards tobyma123. ???
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For 5 years research that is very good going!
It's taken me 40 years to get back to 1550 :-\
That's ensuring that every step of the way is properly documented with certificates, Parish Registers, census, wills, etc.
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For 5 years research that is very good going!
It's taken me 40 years to get back to 1550 :-\
That's ensuring that every step of the way is properly documented with certificates, Parish Registers, census, wills, etc.
Had to smile at that. I have been looking for ancestors for well over 30 years and cannot get back beyond 1837 on most of my lines.Doesn't help having common surnames of course!
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Hello KGarrad thank you yes I have a few wills and census records.
It is a pity that Worcestershire records are kept in a vault and not on line only some.
I still have that gap so frustrating.
It looks like a private researcher but that is the last resort they charge the earth.
Still onwards and upwards as they say just keep going.
regards tobyma123. :)
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Hello carol8353 you have my sympathy although Clifton is a common name sometimes
spelt Clyfton that does not help I guess I have been a bit lucky.
It is easier to find people sometimes in the 1800's I have found.
These records before 1700 can be patchy and that's what most people aim for.
Any idea's from you would be gratefully received this gap in my tree is a bombshell.
regards tobyma123. :)
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Just for the record ... the Principal Registry of the Family Division hasn't been at Somerset House for a considerable time now.
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Hello jbml yes you are right I just copied what was on the record.
I see you have Clifton on your tree where do they come from?.
regards tobyma123. :)