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Title: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: roycymru on Wednesday 02 November 16 15:11 GMT (UK)
Is someone able to help?

Regards
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 05 November 16 17:38 GMT (UK)
I did have a go at this one but the results weren't worth posting...sorry...maybe someone else can do better  :-\
Carol
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: roycymru on Saturday 05 November 16 18:08 GMT (UK)
I did have a go at this one but the results weren't worth posting...sorry...maybe someone else can do better  :-\
Carol

Thanks for trying. It was never going to be easy, but am hoping that some of the techniques that can be applied to improving clarity and contrast in photos could be applied to this
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: Trishanne on Saturday 05 November 16 18:52 GMT (UK)
Like Carol I have applied all the usual techniques but I am not sure whether there is any improvement.
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: Handypandy on Saturday 05 November 16 19:18 GMT (UK)
Like my friends, I have had a few goes with it. The problem with increasing the contrast (or any other general technique for that matter), may improve a few letters, but unfortunately burns out others. It may be possible to do it word by word, unfortunately I don't think that I would live long enough to complete it :)



Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: diesse on Sunday 06 November 16 02:38 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Sometimes when I transcribed for FreeBMD I used to put yellow cellophane over my screen to read the document. It helped a little so thought it might help here.
Di

Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: roycymru on Sunday 06 November 16 08:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your attempts, much appreciated, just not an easy one to resolve. I think ultimately the only way to get a better quality image is for these records to be rephotographed using specialised techniques. I believe photographing in infra red can improve existing details and reveal faded ones, but realistically I can't see this happening. I will try the yellow cellophane suggestion.

Regards
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: Handypandy on Sunday 06 November 16 08:21 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Sometimes when I transcribed for FreeBMD I used to put yellow cellophane over my screen to read the document. It helped a little so thought it might help here.
Di
interesting....the day before posting the above, I did actually try it with a yellow layer mask. It is a bit easier on the eye, but still not legible. However, I can see how it could help over the screen. 
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: MartynS on Monday 07 November 16 17:21 GMT (UK)
I spent a few hours playing with the idea of using some kind of infrared filter or filter....it does not work either.
I have tried everything from sharpening each and every letter....the background noise of the manuscript.paper just interferes to much with whatever i tried to do.


I even tried cut out grid sections to treat each part differently with various filters..even camera raw or specific tonal and effect filters just cant get enough to read certainly the top segment of the pages clear.


The odd word stands out and is clear, but then the same in the efforts everyone else has already shown up in their restore attempts.


Not sure why im sharing the image, but this was one attempt with infrared/and other techniques.
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: MartynS on Monday 07 November 16 17:35 GMT (UK)
The other way i tried was to emboss the image - so to try and raise the script off the page and shadow it to make a lower layer of black ink....still working on that theory and try and see if infrared will work over that better...i know what i mean  ???  will post only if i get somewhere with it....but dont think i will
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: relatedtoturnips on Tuesday 08 November 16 09:19 GMT (UK)
Is someone able to help?

Regards

Can I ask where your record relates to. Sometimes they have 3 scans of the same page, the 3rd scan being much better than the 1st. I have found this to be the case on family search for Bishops Transcripts.

Turnip.
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: roycymru on Friday 11 November 16 10:55 GMT (UK)
Hello

Sorry there is only on version of this image available.

However, is anyone able to specifically enhance a particular entry in the attached? The entry is line 9 and I think it says " Margt the Daughter of David Lodwick xtened. I can't work out the date on the left hand side it may say 09 Jan? The first line in the image definitely says Oct as the month and the entries cover Easter 1757 to 1758, so by the 9th line the months may have switched to Jan of the following year.

Regards
Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: relatedtoturnips on Friday 11 November 16 13:34 GMT (UK)
Hello

Sorry there is only on version of this image available.

However, is anyone able to specifically enhance a particular entry in the attached? The entry is line 9 and I think it says " Margt the Daughter of David Lodwick xtened. I can't work out the date on the left hand side it may say 09 Jan? The first line in the image definitely says Oct as the month and the entries cover Easter 1757 to 1758, so by the 9th line the months may have switched to Jan of the following year.

Regards

I didnt try to enhance it in software, as it didnt make much difference. But I agree with you it looks like 9th Jan.

It starts at the top of the page OCT then many dittos, then NOV many dittos, and then to your entry of JAN as far as my eyes could tell.

Title: Re: Is it possible to improve the clarity and definition of this burial record
Post by: japeflakes on Monday 14 November 16 07:57 GMT (UK)
had a go but...