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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: pollymusic on Thursday 03 November 16 18:30 GMT (UK)
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I found a while ago that John Peirce (victualler in Newbury) was the father of John Peirce (c1809-31st July 1888) a bookbinder, born in Newbury, but married and living in London. The bookbinder John, was awarded the Freedom of the City of London in October 1866 and his father was mentioned.
This was the first time that I knew the forename of the father of the bookbinder John. I have not been able to find the baptisms of either John Peirce....and yes, I have looked at various spelling of the surnames.
Any help or suggestion of directions to go forward would be very welcome
Thank you
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With regards to the above, it might help if I got the century right!!
I have guessed that John Peirce, victualler, was born c 1770.
Regards
Pauline
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Hello
Had a quick look and there is a John Pearce baptised at Newbury Independent Chapel 26.10.1767 s of John and Elizabeth of Upton.Born 28th August.
Also a burial for John Pearce at St Nicholas Newbury 5.11.1850 age 77
A marriage John Pierce and Mary Ann Simmons also there 29.9.1809
None of which of course proves he is yours
Ciderdrinker
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Hello and thank you for replying
I had found the baptism of John Pearse in 1767, but not the burial or marriage.
John Peirce, the bookbinder, was born c1809 as far as I can work out, so the marriage is a possibility. I don't know the bookbinder's mothers name. I only found out his fathers name and the fact that his father was 'deceased' when the bookbinder was awarded the Freedom of the City of London, so the burial is also possible.
Thank you again
Pauline
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Also a burial for John Pearce at St Nicholas Newbury 5.11.1850 age 77
None of which of course proves he is yours
Ciderdrinker
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Possibly this is the john Pearce who was buried 1850 Newbury?
1841
Northcroft Lane Newbury berks
John Pearce 65 lab No
Elizabeth 40 no
Ann 10 yes
HO107 332 7 10
Suz
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This one perhaps!
Info taken from Toomers 1815 census
Church's Yard (Westside of Bartholomew Street Newbury)
John Pearce aged 36 Occ: Horsekeeper
Elizabeth aged 38
Eliza aged 14
Edward aged 11
Henry aged 8
John aged 6
and baptism for John:
St Nicolas Church Newbury
born 23rd October 1809 and baptised the same day
John Pearce son of John and Elizabeth Pearce
Chris
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Thank you Suz and Chris.
Suz, I have been looking at the new GRO search site, brilliant, and have found the death entry for John Pearce, Newbury Dec qtr 1850. His age on the certificate is 73 which differs from the age at burial. There's a surprise!
Anyway, I think I might send for the cert. Online PDFs are £6. A little better that the postage cert and more like it used to be.
And Chris, your info looks very good. I don't suppose there is any way of getting copies of the info of the 1815 census. And the baptism is spot on. Can I find that online?
Once again, many thanks
Pauline
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Hi Pauline,
I think that the Toomers 1815 census is available to buy at the Berkshire Family History Society. Newbury library have a copy of this census and the parish records for St Nicolas Church Newbury so I looked up the info for you while I was in town yesterday. Unfortunately these church records are not available online.
Chris
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Hi Chris
Thank you for the information. I will try my library on my visit next week. They may be able to help with the church records. Some of the St Nicholas Church records are available on findmypast, but not that far back and not baptisms.
I have bought items from the Berkshire FHS before so no problem there
Thanks
Pauline
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Hi Pauline,
This looks like a possible marriage for John and Elizabeth:
Place: St Nicolas Church Newbury
Date: 15th Oct 1801
Bride: Elizabeth North
Groom: John Pearce
Groom's residence: Highclere, Hants
Chris
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Hi Chris
Sorry for the delay in responding, we have been away for the weekend.
Thank you once again, that looks very good. Interesting that John Pearce comes from Hampshire.
Something else to look at. I have also sent for a copy of the Toomers 1815 census.
Pauline
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Hi,
Just to add to Chris's reply re Highclere in Hants.
I have found there is a John Pearce bapt. 15-4-1767 s/o John & Eliza - there is also an Elizabeth Peirce bapt. to same parents. (only added because of name variant).
This John may not be the one your after, he would have been aged 34 at marriage in Newbury,
unless it was a 2nd marr.
Alan
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Hi Alan
Thanks very much. So much info!
I think it is looking more possible that we/you have found the correct John Peirce/Pearce/Pearse.
Pauline
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Just to confuse the issue :'(
There is this baptism in the parish records of St Nicolas Newbury:
Date: 11th July 1779
John Pierce
Son of John and Mary Pierce
Perhaps John went to work in Highclere but was from Newbury.
I did not find any baptisms for the other children listed on the 1815 Toomers census in the St Nicolas parish records but familysearch does have one for an Edward Pearce son of John and Elizth Pearce on 13th May 1804 at Highclere Hampshire.
Interestingly there was this baptism in St Nicolas Newbury which might relate to your John Pearce:
Eliza illegitimate daughter of Sarah Tranter
Born 16th January 1810
Baptised 9th February 1810
Reputed father: JOHN PIERCE
and this burial:
St Nicolas Newbury
30th June 1830
Elizabeth wife of John Pearce
Aged 54
I am wondering if this is John remarrying in 1830
Marriage date 21 Nov 1830
St Nicolas Church Newbury
Groom: John Pearce
Groom's condition: Widower
Bride: Elizabeth House
Bride's condition: Widow
Chris
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Hi Chris
Thanks for all the extra info. I had found the burial of Elizabeth in 1830 and also the remarriage of John. Both were on findmypast.
Also on there were the burials of Eliza and Henry who feature on the 1815 Toomers census. I have sent for the dvd of this by the way.
Newbury and Highclere are only about 5 miles apart, so that is possible. The birth/baptism year (1779) is more likely and is much nearer to the one stated on the 1841 census. Mary and Eliza are both used as forenames for his daughters by John Peirce bookbinder!
Still looking.....
Pauline
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Also, I found the burial of the Highclere John Pearce in Highclere.