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Please could somebody help me with finding a marriage for William Donkin?
I believe he was born around 1823 in Winlaton Durham but moved to Newcastle. His children Robert H (b. 1861), John A (b. 1863) and George (b. 1870) were all born in Newcastle, but were all living with William's sister Isabella (married name Forster) and her family. There's no sign of their mother in any of the censuses.
Any help would be appreciated.
Beth
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have you ordered any of the childrens birth certificates?
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you can now search the GRO births and get mothers maiden names pre 1911- this states his MMN is Jennings,so you are looking for a William Donkin marriage to a lady with that surname ?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DONKIN, ROBERT HENRY JENNINGS Order
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 92
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DONKIN, JOHN ALEXANDER JENNINGS
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 587
DONKIN, MICHAEL WILLIAM JENNINGS
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 149
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Thank you!! I will definitely look at buying the birth certificates. I wonder what happened to her as she isn't in any of the censuses.
Beth
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there is a marriage in 1850 in Newcastle upon Tyne between a GEORGE Donkin,,,on the same page is an Isabella Jennings?
are you sure they are Williams children...the 1881 census does not state they are Williams children...only that he is brother in law to Isabella,,,and that the children present are her nephews. Does William have a brother called George? not looked at the 1891 census as yet,,,,just thinking out loud :)
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As far as I know, William only has a sister, Isabella. The censuses for his son George claim that his father is called William, and I am sure that he is the father to the others also.
Beth
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Tyne Street, All Saints, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland,
George Donkin Head Married Male 42 1819 Blacksmith England
Isabella Donkin Wife Married Female 39 1822 - England
George Donkin Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 School England
Isabella Donkin Daughter - Female 8 1853 School England
Michael Donkin Son - Male 5 1856 - England
Robert Donkin Son - Male 2 1859 - England
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i cant see another Donkin/Jennings MARRIAGE ??
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you can now search the GRO births and get mothers maiden names pre 1911
Please could you tell me WHERE I can do that? Pretty, pretty please, with sugar on the top :-)
thank you
Boo
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:o I only just began researching the Donkin family tree a couple weeks ago so forgive me if I'm not good at searching through censuses. I have looked and it's possible it could be them.
Thank you for your help.
Just type in Google GRO births and it should come up with the official website where you can order certificates.
Beth
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Please could you tell me WHERE I can do that? Pretty, pretty please, with sugar on the top :-)
It's absolutely true :D
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Big thread about it here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758727.msg6091658#msg6091658
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It's absolutely true :D
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Big thread about it here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758727.msg6091658#msg6091658
I didn't doubt the veracity but have been really busy of late and not had time to read as much as I would like so obviously missed it totally!
Many thanks Jen, off to have a looksee!
Boo
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If you compare the 1881 census with the 1861 census i posted.....you will see that on the 1861 census the two youngest children,,Michael and Robert,,could be the same Michael and Robert in the 1881 census,,,,also note that Michael and Roberts father in 1861--George is a Blacksmith. Which coincidentally? is Michaels occupation in 1881,,,,taught by his father ?
i would get a birth certificate of one of the children,,,then come back to this. :)
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Just to say (and I started to post this and got sidetracked over the GRO search!)
On the 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 census returns, William Donkin, born c 1823, Winlaton is recorded as being UNmarried.
Boo
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just to confirm George Donkin DID marry Isabella Jennings
First name(s) Michael Gulielmus
Last name Donkin
Gender Male
Birth year 1857
Birth place -
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 24 May 1857
Residence Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Place Newcastle on Tyne
County Northumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Georgii
Father's last name Donkin
Mother's first name(s) Isabella Jennings
Mother's last name Donkin
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
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and again,,,that baptism suggests he is NOT the son of William Donkin....you can see Michael W Donkin in the 1881 census....living with William Donkin and the Forster family?
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Are the DONKIN family listed as DUNCAN in 1841? (in Winlaton).
I just can't quite figure out who young George (11 year old nephew) is. He doesn't seem to be the one registered with mmn STRAKER but I'm not seeing any other "possibles". Probably just me. ::)
Maureen
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George was born about 1870 and have found his mother Isabella died soon after in the same year. I have yet to find his birth..
Beth
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There is a William Donkin, a chain maker, on the 1871 census, born in Yorkshire, with a wife, Mary, and sons, George b 1870 and John, born in 1864. Also a daughter, Ann, b 1865.
In 1881, the William with Isabella is also a chain maker but older and unmarried.
Three matching chldren were born to a mother named Straker - Mary Jane Straker married William Donkin in 1862.
Might be worth looking at, given that the 1881 relationship details are a bit vague and the children probably from two different families.
David
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This is the census that made me confused, hence why I said their father was called William. I believe now that they are a different family, because I know George is related to the Forster's, as his son has Forster as his middle name. So I knew that I had the right William, but it was his brother George that was the father to the children.
I think George and his wife died young because in 1871 I found the children, the eldest 20, living without their parents, the next census they are living with Isabella, their aunt, and her family.
update - George died in 1869 and Isabella died in 1870, which is why their children are living on their own in 1871 with their aunt and her family in 1881.
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Update
MaureeninNY suggested they were listed under DUNCAN in 1841 census. I think this is right, they all seem to be born around the right years and now I have their mother's name. Thanks!
Beth
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Can anyone help with finding George Donkin (b. 1870) 1901 census?
He is married to Hannah Mary Armstrong and children George William, Robert and John Forster Donkin.
Also, I overlooked one thing... that his father died in 1869 and mother in 1870 :-\ and now I am stuck. There is a seven year gap between George and the youngest son, so George must have other parents.
I have the right George Donkin in 1881, where he is living with his uncle and aunt, Robert and Isabella (nee Donkin) Forster. I thought George's dad was Isabella's brother, George, but obviously not. The only other possibility is William Donkin, Isabella's other brother, but he never married.
I know this sounds confusing but any help is appreciated.
Beth
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Hi Beth,
Quote;
He is married to Hannah Mary Armstrong.
Dont you mean Laing?
John Forster Donkins Birth Reg has Mothers mn as Laing
Marriage;
13 January 1892, St Andrew, Newcastle, England
George DONKIN, Father WILLIAM
Mary Hannah LAING, Father WILLIAM
(Familysearch.Org)
As you know Hannah Mary Donkin and 3 Children are with her Parents.
George must be away working but havent found him 1901 Census either.
Trish :)
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I found that Hannah Mary was illegitimate, her birth name is Hannah Mary Armstrong. Her mother married William Laing when she was still quite young.
Also, I looked for Hannah and George's marriage, and says his father is William. So there are two possibilities: William (unmarried brother of George and Isabella) had a son, or the 1871 census before mentioned with a William and Mary Donkin. However, that William Donkin was born in Yorkshire, and as George was definitely living with his aunt and uncle in 1881, who were born in Newcastle/Durham, I think it can be ruled out. ??? ???
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Thanks for that Beth.
Its a really complicated one. If William was his Father and never married Georges Mother the Birth would be reg under her name.
But as George says he is born c 1870 where is he in 1871 Census also ???
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That's true, I didn't think of that! One thing I know is that Robert and Isabella Forster are definitely George's aunt and uncle (George named one of his sons John Forster Donkin, unless a coincidence), therefore his father, William, is Isabella's brother. But he has never been married, as it says on the censuses...
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I am trying to find any information on William Donkin (b. around 1844 in York).
In 1871 he is married to Mary Jane nee Straker and is living with their children John, Ann and George in Northumberland.
This is the only census I can find for him. His wife died in 1872 and cannot find any of their children except George (b. 1870).
There is a possible William Donkin born in South Cave around 1844, but this one's wife is called Esther, and by the look of it, he seemed to have lived in South Cave all his life.
There is also a William Donkin b. 1847 in the city of York. I followed this up but is not who I'm looking for, as this William was born in Acomb and lived in York his entire life.
I posted about William Donkin before and seemed to have gotten further but have hit a dead end again.
Also, I forgot to mention the 1881 census where George is living with his aunt and uncle, but I still need to find the connection, as I don't know who William's father is.
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According to previous thread marriage was 1862. Have you purchased a copy of his marriage cert to see if he names a father?
There is a 3 page thread about this family and in view of the various complexities it may be best to merge this one with it for continuity.
topics merged
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This may be a total red herring but found a baptism for William Duncan in the register for St Mary Bishophill Jun, York, however the surname was crossed through and may originally have said DONKIN - see what you think.
This William was b, 4 Jul 1843 bap. 8 Oct 1843 son of George and Ann of Grey's Building, Engineer.
Pinetree
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Thank you Pinetree, it looks very promising! I'll have a look. Two of William's children are called George and Ann so is entirely possible.