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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: soosfamily on Monday 07 November 16 22:00 GMT (UK)
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Edward Albert Giles born 19 December 1872 in Chalvey, Slough. Mother Charlotte Deverell born 1846. Charlotte was married to Alfred Giles but she had Edward by another man.
Edward (or Albert) was in the Army then the Police in Hampstead but didn't turn up for work in July 1898 and disappeared from all records.
Charlotte had a previous child when she had been married to Alfred Giles for 2 years. This boy - Henry Charles was also illegitimate. Can anybody help please?
Thanks, Sue
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Alfred Giles and Charlotte Deverill married in 1865 and Edward's birth was registered as Giles.
How do you know that Alfred wasn't his father?
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1871 Charlotte is shown as married but living with her father. A 3yr old Henry Giles was with her
In 1881 - Henry Giles 13 and Albert Giles 8 are shown as the stepsons of Richard Goodchild whose wife is Charlotte but no Goodchild/Giles marriage on freebmd before or after 1881
Have you looked for Edward Albert under Goodchild or Deverill?
If he discovered he was illegitimate and found out the name of his real father - he may have adopted that surname
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He is using the name Albert Giles and place of birth as Windsor when serving as a soldier in the RA - Isle of Grain 1891 census. RG12/655 f26 p19
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He appears to have left the Army in April 1889, what evidence do you have of his police service
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Hi Carole,
Edward Albert's birth certificate shows no father or father's occupation, likewise his baptism record, 8 months later in Colnbrook, (he was born in Chalvey) shows only Charlotte's name and blank in the occupation column.
Edward's older brother, born 1867 -2 years after Alfred & Charlotte's marriage, also shows on his certificate no father or occupation and his baptism record in Burnham is the same, with 'illegitimate' written in the surname column under 'Giles'.
Charlotte lived with Richard Goodchild but they never married as she was still married to Alfred. Alfred lived the rest of his life in Berkshire with Caroline Gibbs & had 2 children - Albert Henry in 1878 and Gertrude Alice in 1889.
Maybe Albert (or Edward) did find out his real father but how on earth can I discover that? I have searched all the names I can think of and my uncle (his grandson) has done a Ydna test but no matches anywhere that I can find. I really wish someone would prove me wrong and come up with something!
Thanks so much for your reply, I didn't expect any help.
Sue
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If your uncle is Albert/Edwards grandson do you must have some idea of location when your uncles father/mother was born :-\
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Hi Rosie
Thanks for your very quick reply.
Re Albert's Army life, I think he couldn't wait to get away from his stepfather (Richard Goodchild) and was refused on his first attempt at joining the Berkshire Regiment for an 'under chest measurement', he lied about his age he said he was 18 yrs 6 months but was really 16 yrs 2 months. He was admitted the next day into the Middlesex regiment and served 7 years then went into the Reserves in Hampstead. He had a month or two working for Charlotte's uncle, John Deverill, a successful builder in Slough, before he joined the Police, Hampstead Division. I have his Police record which says in 1898 he was absent from duty so was dismissed on 15th July 1898 just before his 2 years probationary period was up. That's the last I can find.
I have a letter in the December issue of Family Tree pleading for help! I'm not giving up yet!
Thanks again for your help, Rosie.
Sue
PS Just had you latest post. Yes Albert married Sophia Goodchild in Rochford, Essex where he was stationed in the Army, they had 5 children - 2 died. and after Albert left Sophia in Hampstead, she went back to Essex to her family. My grandfather Edward Albert Lancelot Giles was born in Essex in 1894.
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Have you ruled out this death?
Death
Apr/May/Jun 1899
Woodstock
3a 511
Albert Edward Giles
age 28
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Albert married Sophia Goodchild in Rochford, Essex
Think you mean Sophia Mansfield June qtr 1893. He married as Edward Albert Giles
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That makes sense Carole :)
GILES, EDWARD ALBERT LANCELOT mmn MANSFIELD
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in ROCHFORD Volume 04A Page 509
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Can't find a 1901 entry to check Sophia's marital status
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1901
Woodcote Villas Southchurch Essex
Sophie Giles married 27 laundress bn Rayleigh Essex
Robert H 5 bn Rayleigh
Ernest G 2 bn Hampstead
Edward (age about 7) not at home
Modified to add - he is under Lancelot, age 6, and is visiting Mansfield relations.
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Still married on the next census
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You may already have this, the first page infers he entered service under an assumed name though it could be just because his first names are interchanged
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/?_q=edward+albert+giles
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7865900
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Yes Carole, you're right, I was replying in a hurry. The family story was that Sophia's name was Goodchild but I found this wasn't true and that's what I was thinking of when I replied, sorry!
Sue
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Hi Rosie,
Yes I investigated that National Archives record and it was because he'd swapped his names round.
As for the Woodstock Giles - thank you Lizdb, I'm sure I have researched this chap and ruled him out, but I shall check again. There seem to be so many Edward Alberts around, I need to find a record with his birth date - 19 December 1872.
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Hi
Unfortunately, death certs prior to 1969 do not show full birthdates. The age at death is just subtracted from the year of death to give an approximate birthyear - much the same as with the census entries.
Sophia did not remarry which may have provided a clue to her status. She died in Rochford 1962 which you will already know. Wonder if her death cert shows her as "wife of" or "widow of"