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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: ctrunfree on Wednesday 09 November 16 02:01 GMT (UK)
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I have a birth certificate for a Thomas George FORDE, b 15 Jan 1914 in Drumcannon. I can't read the first District listing (Starts with D-Dawsongrove?) but the Superintendent's District is Clones, in Monaghan.
However, I can't any sign of him when searching the IrishGenealogy.ie civil records.
I'm relatively new to Irish genealogy. Am I doing something wrong?
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Forde of Clones
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Ford of Clones
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Online are The indexes to Births over 100 years old, the indexes to Marriages over 75 years old and the indexes to Deaths over 50 years old.
BUT originally all records were put up in error!
The site was pulled in 2014 with Births over 100 years old, the indexes to Marriages over 75 years old and the indexes to Deaths over 50 years old..... so only up to 1913 was put back up and hasn't been updated since
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I have a birth certificate for a Thomas George FORDE, b 15 Jan 1914 in Drumcannon. I can't read the first District listing (Starts with D-Dawsongrove?) but the Superintendent's District is Clones, in Monaghan.
However, I can't any sign of him when searching the IrishGenealogy.ie civil records.
I'm relatively new to Irish genealogy. Am I doing something wrong?
Those Fordes would be under Cootehill not Clones area
Name THOMAS FORDE
Date of Birth 15 January 1914
Group Registration ID 1161699
SR District/Reg Area Cootehill
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MONTGOMERY
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Forde
Area - Cootehill
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Thanks everyone. I think I understand why the Clones registration district is actually Cootehill!
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Clones Reg District is Clones Reg District
Cootehill Reg District is Cootehill Reg District
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Clones Reg District is Clones Reg District
Cootehill Reg District is Cootehill Reg District
Well no. On the certificate the Reg District is Clones, but the certificate is found on Cootehill.
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Civil Registration Districts, or more correctly Superintendent Registrar's Districts, were used as the areas for civil registration of Births, Marriages & Death. These districts were based on the 138 Poor Law Unions which had been set up by the Irish Poor Law Act of 1838, with several further, about 30, being added soon after. Each of these districts was further divided into sub-districts based on the ~720 Dispensary districts, which had been established soon after the Poor Law Unions. These were referred to as Registrar's Districts.
If you go to http://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php and put in Monaghan you'll get the 7 Districts plus the areas each covered.
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Clones Reg District is Clones Reg District
Cootehill Reg District is Cootehill Reg District
Well no. On the certificate the Reg District is Clones, but the certificate is found on Cootehill.
There is no mention of Clones.... that's why you couldn't find him under Clones and why he's found under Cootehill.
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Ah, OK. I think I understand why I'm not making any sense. Here's a photo of the certificate copy which I have, which shows the registration district as Clones. Hence the confusion about him turning up under Cootehill Registration District.
The copy is of a certificate issued in 1972.
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Ahhhh that is because people can now travel and a lot of the Dispensaries were no longer needed.
The present day situation is completely different to 100 years ago
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Ok, but how does that explain a birth registration in Clones Superintendent District in 1915 now being found under Cootehill District in the online record? I still think I'm missing something! ???
(Thanks for the link to the map, by the way, very useful!)
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It wasn't REGISTERED in Clones Superintendent District in 1915
It is a COPY issued recently from Clones which is now the Superintendent 's Office!
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It wasn't REGISTERED in Clones Superintendent District in 1915
It is a COPY issued recently from Clones which is now the Superintendent 's Office!
The document says it is of a birth Registered in the District of Dawsongrove (which as indicated in the link you posted is a Dispensary of the Cootehill District) in the Superintendent Registrar's District of Clones in the County of Monaghan. It was issued by the Superintendant for the County of Monaghan from the Court House in Monaghan. I am still perplexed as to how Clones should feature at all. A clerical error?
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100 years ago people went to their local dispensary, yours to (C ) and registered the Birth.
The person who wrote the entry down in Dawsongrove was under the Superintendent in Cootehill.... people from other areas went to A or B.
A, B and C no longer exist.
THEY NOW come under Clones Superintendent Area.. which is what your copy says regardless that it was issued by the Superintendent for the County of Monaghan from the Court House in Monaghan!
I can get that Copy from any Reg Office in Ireland
Everything is different from what it was 100 years ago!!
Can you not understand that???
IT CAN NOT BE GOT FROM DAWSONGROVE WHERE THEY WENT!! IT NO LONGER EXISTS!!
NEITHER DOES A LOT OF OTHER PLACES THAT EXISTED THEN!
YOUR COPY NOW COMES FROM OTHER OFFICES THAT NOW EXIST!
ORIGINALLY YOUR FOLK WENT TO DAWSONGROVE.
THEIR ONLINE RECORDS WILL BE UNDER DAWSONGROVE
THE SUPERINTENDENTS OFFICE AT THAT TIME WAS IN COOTEHILL
THE PRESENT DAY STRUCTURE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!! THEY NOW GET ISSUED FROM PLACES THAT EXIST!!
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The document IS A COPY AND says it is of a birth Registered in the District of Dawsongrove (which as indicated in the link you posted is a Dispensary of the Cootehill District)
DAWSONGROVE IS NOW UNDER the Superintendent Registrar's District of Clones in the County of Monaghan.
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The document IS A COPY AND says it is of a birth Registered in the District of Dawsongrove (which as indicated in the link you posted is a Dispensary of the Cootehill District)
DAWSONGROVE IS NOW UNDER the Superintendent Registrar's District of Clones in the County of Monaghan.
Sorry, I'm still confused. Doesn't the link you provided indicate that Dawsongrove is now under the Superintendent Registrar's District of COOTEHILL?
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I thought hallmark had explained it quite well (several times) but apparently not so here's my one try ::)
The birth took place in Drumcannon in 1914 and was registered at Dawsongrove where the local registrar was located and at that time Dawsongrove was the sub-district under Cootehill district. These details are shown at the top of the page. Therefore the birth appears in the index under Cootehill district.
Over the years many of the sub-districts were done away with. So, by 1972, when someone applied for a copy of the certificate that you have, the local office was Clones. Therefore, your certificate says Clones but that was NOT where it was originally registered.
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"Sorry, I'm still confused. Doesn't the link you provided indicate that Dawsongrove is now under the Superintendent Registrar's District of COOTEHILL?"
NO!!
It indicates IT ONCE WAS!!!!!
It IS NOW UNDER CLONES....
IF the Government does more downsizing then Clones might get closed and then it might be under Monaghan town!!
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Why didn't your kin just hop in their car and drive to Clones??
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"Sorry, I'm still confused. Doesn't the link you provided indicate that Dawsongrove is now under the Superintendent Registrar's District of COOTEHILL?"
NO!!
It indicates IT ONCE WAS!!!!!
It IS NOW UNDER CLONES....
IF the Government does more downsizing then Clones might get closed and then it might be under Monaghan town!!
I now have got my hands on another copy of the same birth certificate, issued on 16 April 1980 (ie 8 years after the other one), which has the District of Dawsongrove , Superintendent's Registrar's District of COOTEHILL.
I guess my take away from all this is that I might need to be flexible when searching by districts for details of some of the family.
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I now have got my hands on another copy of the same birth certificate, issued on 16 April 1980 (ie 8 years after the other one), which has the District of Dawsongrove , Superintendent's Registrar's District of COOTEHILL.
Which is likely quoting the details from the ORIGINAL register.