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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: krissy on Monday 14 November 16 17:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi there , would any one know if bigamist marriages would be recorded in the registers ?? I have a friend who's grandfather apparently married in Nottingham after 1940 , he already had a wife in Wales , the gent concerned was caught and made to return to his first wife instead of facing jail !! We also believe there may have been children in the 2nd marriage. Anyone know or have advice as to how I can find info regarding this , many thanks
Krissy
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Newspaper report?
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Good thinking Liz is there a list of papers in Nottingham ??
Krissy
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Some discussion about bigamous marriages:
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/796452
Do you want to give us his name, or is it too common to do searches?
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Hi thank you chempat, yes I have a name but no clarity on dates as yet , his name is Brinley Leyshon
Various spellings of Brinley ie brynley/ Brynly , seems he had two families , one in Wales and one in Nottingham, he was caught and charged so I'm hoping there is a record somewhere , up until 1950 it looks like he was definitely with his first wife as his last child was born 1950 , he died in 1966 back in neath s.wales so I'm assuming the deed took
Place within those 15 years it also been said that there were children of this second marriage so looking for them too , I just wondered if this 2nd marriage may have been scratched from the records ??
Thankyou for your reply
Krissy
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FreeBMD is showing marriages:
Sept qtr 1934, Swansea Registration District
Sept qtr 1950, East Glamorgan RD
Sept qtr 1967, Cardiff RD
As the parties might still be alive, and RootsChat has a no naming policy on living people I'll leave you to investigate the names involved.
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This person died in 1966 it neath south Glamorgan so no problems there ok thankyou
Krissy
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Just to add the 1934 marriage would b the only one that applies in this case his 2nd marriage we believe took place in the Nottinghamshire area x
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Are you sure the second marriage was in Nottingham ?
There are news reports of a bigamist marriage by a Brinley Leyshon but it took place in Aberdeen in May 1942 and he was sentenced to 1 year in prison in Sept 1942 in Aberdeen.
He is said to be an ex member of the Pioneer Corps and a miner - ring a bell ?
Do you know the first wife name ?
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Hello hasta , you may well be right his first wife's name was Sarah we have no clue who 2nd was !! He was in the army and funny enough there is a gap in years in children in Wales between 1939 and 1945 I just assumed that was because of the war
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I'm guessing it must be the same man.
If he was married to Sarah (Rees) then that marriage in Neath was 1929 - the newspaper doesn't give her name but says he was married in Wales in 1921 (which seems to be a mistake) and had 4 children by 1942 (living in Port Talbot)
He met his second wife while stationed at Forres and it's unclear if they ever lived to gather but says that while she got no' marriage allowance' from him he did give her 'sums of money' and that he had only married her to 'please her people' I don't know if that is a euphemism for a pregnancy ?
Another little article correctly gives the marriage date as May 1941 at
Mannofield Church (is on Scotlands People as BRYN LEYSHON wife maiden name KIRHOOLIE )
Lastly it says he was discharged from the arm 'this year' i.e 1942 and had returned to his wife in Wales - so sounds like he had already returned home and was later arrested ?
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Wow just wow thankyou for this and yes this is him his wife was Sarah rees and were married in 1929 not 21 so error in paper lol , his grandaughter will be pleased to see this they knew he committed bigamy but were told he got away with prison lol as he returned to wales , seems not !! What s naughty (being polite ) he was , thankyou for finding this I'm sure she will appreciate it
Krissy xx
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Just a thought hasta, maybe the 2nd wife sent the police after him as he left her ?? Now I need to trace a child it is thought that there was one , his wife must have forgave him as they had 2 more children so wether he returned to Scotland we may never know lol lol
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Hi hasta , sorry to be a pain , is the spelling of the bride correct do you think , im hitting brickwalls on the name lol
krissy
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Possible son (1st wife)?
http://www.bmdsonline.co.uk/media-wales-group/obituary/40083741
Annie
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Thankyou for that annie , i will pass this on , its the 2nd wife im trying to find her surname is certainley proving to be a task , we are trying to see if she did indeed have a child with bryn , but anything its fabulous so thankyou again
krissy
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A few births LEYSHON around the time but not Aberdeen?
Not too unique a surname it seems in Scotland.
1942 066/1 4
Gairloch Northern
1943 069/ 8
Kilmuir Easter (Ross and Cromarty)
1943 098/A 126 Inverness
Annie
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If the birth was after the marriage it will only show up in father's surname.
Annie
Added...Pot luck as there's no Index giving mms
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If you put his name in, leave her's blank, & year, it will show.
Annie
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Check Hasta's Reply #10
Annie
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Possible death for her but a long way from Aberdeen?
LEYSHON AGNES 66
1988
746/ 47
Newington
Annie
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Hi there Annie I will check this out thankyou so
Much for your help and you too hasta , will let you know my findings xx
Krissy
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As the second 'marriage' never legally happened, the second 'wife' should have reverted to her maiden name.
So you are also looking for that name and/or a new marriage later on?
Added:
Just realised that death is also under Kirhoolie, sorry.
However, I can only see one birth for an Agnes Kirhoolie, but there is a marriage in Elgin in 1942, to Mr Driscoll, which is also what that death is also under.
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Hi chempat , thankyou for that , yes trying to find out the 2nd wife's name and a possible child ? But the name kirhoolie is a bit challenging , the marriage I believe took place in May 1941 x
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Have you looked on scotlandspeople - as that is where the marriage shows, with her name as Agnes Kirhoolie. The death in Newington gives the surnames for Agnes as Kirhoolie and Leyshon and Driscoll (same record numbers).
The marriage was to Cecil H Driscoll in 1942.
There is this possible death for Cecil, a long way from Scotland:
Cecil Hamilton Driscoll Aka Cyril born 28th November 1919, died April quarter 2004 Bexley Kent.
(Wonder if he was Australian)
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Oh wow , no haven't been on , will have to get my friend to sign up its for her lol , is there any children of any of the names ?? Sorry to be cheeky but she felt there was one only rumours mind , your a star thankyou for this , the whole story was kept secret and now we know why
Thankyou so
Much xxxx. Ha ha I'm guessing that was a joke about Australian lol 😂😂
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It is free to register, and then you can do quite a lot of searching before you have to pay to see the actual records:
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records
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Thank you so
Much , I will get on tomorrow off to beddy byes now nhs ha xxxx