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I' m confused. Your suggestions are very welcomed.
I've searched and searched and not found the birth or death certificate for this ancestor, and yet I know she existed.
1861 Census, dau, address in Lee, Kent, states born Richmond, Surrey, age 4.
1871 Census, dau, address Clapham, born London, age 14.
1881 Census,Visitor, address Jersey, no.41 Pier Road, Born England, age 24.
1893 November - informs Registrar of her brother-in-law's death in Bournemouth, Hants.
1901 Census proprietress of the Pooley's Pavilion in Greve de Leq in Jersey.
Then she just disappears. Until I found an old photo of an elderly lady in my grandma's album with "Lottie - Cranleigh - 1933" written underneath.
In 1946 my father writes to my mother mentioning Aunt Lottie who is 93 years old.
Any ideas, please?
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Hi BB...there is a match on the 1939 register with the right name and year of birth in Torquay.
Carol
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Hi BB...there is a match on the 1939 register with the right name and year of birth in Torquay.
Carol
I think this is the above person but on the 1901 -
Charlotte Pooley 43
James R Pooley 9
Edith J Pooley 6
RG13 Piece 2060 Folio 65 Page 28, Torquay
Therefore not the same person as Charlotte Pooley is in Jersey on the 1901.
JJ
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In 1946 my father writes to my mother mentioning Aunt Lottie who is 93 years old.
Any ideas, please?
If Aunt Lottie was 93 in 1946 then that gives a birth year of 1853. Was there any mention of where Aunt Lottie was?
JJ
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Strange coincidence then Jen as she is a Proprietess in 1939 in the entry that I found?
Carol
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Newspaper reports that mention Pooley's Pavilion talk (between 1868 and 1900ish) of a Mr R Pooley as proprietor of Pooley's Pavilion - father of Charlotte, perhaps?
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According to the census her father was Alexander G, R Pooley was most probably her brother Rodney
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Thanks Dawn - Rodney is here on the 1891 census RG12; Piece: 4699; Folio: 122; Page: 2
Another Pooley is next door too!
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That's correct Dawnsh, Rodney was her brother. She inherited Pooley's Pavilion according to the 1901 Census. The Charlotte Pooley of Torquay I believe died in 1944, registered in Newton Abbott. I believe she was a Charlotte Prout Pooley.
This letter of my father stating she was 93 in 1946 JJ could mean she was born in 1853... if only I could find her birth certificate.
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I can't find birth entries in the indexes for any of the Pooley children.
They were born before the law changed in 1874 making registration compulsory and fineable if parents didn't.
If this is Alexander, he seems to have been a colourful but troubled character, this article is recently written so maybe worth contacting the author
http://www.kingstonhistoryresearch.co.uk/advent-surburbia-thomas-pooley-railway-surbiton-1791-1856/
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That's correct Dawnsh, Rodney was her brother. She inherited Pooley's Pavilion according to the 1901 Census. The Charlotte Pooley of Torquay I believe died in 1944, registered in Newton Abbott. I believe she was a Charlotte Prout Pooley.
This letter of my father stating she was 93 in 1946 JJ could mean she was born in 1853... if only I could find her birth certificate.
Rodney's last will and testament here http://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110107178?rank=
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18 July 1903 - Jersey Independent and Daily Telegraph mentions a Miss Pooley of Pooley's Pavilion.
So she's still in Jersey at that point. But where after that ???
JJ
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There's no sign of her in England & Wales.
As she acted as Executrix to Rodney's will, Jersey seems to be a likely contender.
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I was unaware of this recent article, thank you Dawnsh. I have been collating information on this very colourful ancestor for the past 6 years, there are many, many newspaper reports on him, plus court cases, etc. and have also a book published by June Sampson (see Wikipedia on Thomas Pooley). I have been able to find one birth certificate for a George Poolee, mother's name is Eliza Poolee, nee Wigfield, but gives the father's name as Rodney Poolee...who is a year older than George...
Seeing that 1874 it was made compulsory to register my chances of finding a birth certificate for others then are very small, but a death certificate should be more certain...This also explains why I cannot find a marriage certificate for Eliza and AGP. Though I have a record of his first marriage. Thank you again for all your help.
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The change in law generally relates to births. Until 1874, the onus was on the registrar to travel around his district and collect registrations. Marriages and deaths were not affected.
There's an excellent book 'A Comedy of Errors' by Michael Foster which explains why some marriage entries fail to get into the marriage index in addition to the couples who really didn't get married such as late returns to the registrar and mis-indexing.
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/
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Thank you all again for your help. I have plenty more reading now to be done Dawnsh. Thank you Jjen, for the entries in 1903 in the newspapers. I was not aware of these. More checking to be done.Oh dear!
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Looking at the siblings - Jane Wadbrook Pooley's birth was registered in Marylebone, Mar qtr 1843.
She was baptised at the British Chaplaincy, Bonn on 13 Aug 1861 - birthdate given as 3 March 1843. Parents were Alexander Gossell Pooley and Jane, so presumably Eliza (much younger than Alexander) came on the scene at some point after her birth.
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Another child born to Alexander and Jane: William Alexander Pooley (1839, baptised in Kingston):
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AAlexander~%20%2Bsurname%3APooley~
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I cannot find a marriage certificate for Eliza and AGP. Though I have a record of his first marriage.
Was his first wife the Jane Pooley whose death (aged "28"*) was registered in Kingston, Mar qtr 1846?
*I see that Jane was recorded as aged 27 in the 1841 census.
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You may well have this already - 1851 census:
8 Victoria Grove, Stoke Newington: HO107/1702/105/33
James WIGFIELD Head Wid 76 Army (Chelsea Pensioner) Yorkshire Oyland [=Hoyland?]
Eliza POOLEE Daur Mar 36? Yorkshire Northallerton
Rodney do Grandson 18? months Surrey Kennington
George do Grandson 1? month Middx Stoke Newington
+ one servant
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I had suspected AGP travelled abroad, but have not been able to confirm where or when. Believe there's a record of him making a passport application in 1861.
Any idea why Jane Wadbrook Pooley would be baptised at the age of 18? I have a date for her marriage which was at St George Parish Church, Bloomsbury, Middlesex England in 1877 to Edward Spencer Stidolph, of Langdale House, Greenwich. Thank you for your interest Avm228.
Now James Wigfield has also caused me concern. He is the only military person amongst the ancestors who could have been awarded a sword, with the initials of William IV. The sword is currently in Brazil, with my cousin. That's another story. I have a copy of his will, and he leaves everything to his niece, Charlotte Jackson, widow of William Jackson.... another unsolved mystery.
In the 1851 census Eliza says she's from Northallerton, Yorks. In 1861 she changes it to Berkshire. In 1871 she's from Datchet, Berks. She died in 1879, in Cambridge. Any ideas?
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From GRO the mother's maiden name on the births of Jane Wadbrook Pooley and William Alexander Pooley was Wadbrook. There is also a birth for a Thomas Alexander Pooley in 1841 in Kingston with the same mmn. Jane Wadbrook married Alexander Gopsill Pooley in 1837 in parish of St Luke.
Isobel
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Thank you Isobel. It seems that AGP's first marriage and birth registrations were orderly, however not so with his second marriage (not sure they were married as no certificate). Eliza, the 2nd wife, seemed unsure of where she was born.
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Looking at the siblings - Jane Wadbrook Pooley's birth was registered in Marylebone, Mar qtr 1843.
She was baptised at the British Chaplaincy, Bonn on 13 Aug 1861 - birthdate given as 3 March 1843. Parents were Alexander Gossell Pooley and Jane, so presumably Eliza (much younger than Alexander) came on the scene at some point after her birth.
Please can you advise where I may obtain a copy of this baptism information? I'm unsure where to find it. Thank you.
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Looking at the siblings - Jane Wadbrook Pooley's birth was registered in Marylebone, Mar qtr 1843.
She was baptised at the British Chaplaincy, Bonn on 13 Aug 1861 - birthdate given as 3 March 1843. Parents were Alexander Gossell Pooley and Jane, so presumably Eliza (much younger than Alexander) came on the scene at some point after her birth.
Please can you advise where I may obtain a copy of this baptism information? I'm unsure where to find it. Thank you.
It's extracted on Familysearch: https://familysearch.org/search
Type in her name and select Germany as the country.
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Thank you Avm for your reply and this information. I shall now be able to look further into this.
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If you search for this article on the internet it will tell you a lot about Alexander Pooley and his father Thomas. They had quite a checkered career!
"Advent of Suburbia - Thomas Pooley, The Railway and Surbiton" by David A Kennedy PhD dated 29th June 2016
It may give you some insight into the family.
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Thank you Rosemary. Yes, I have a copy of David Kennedy's article on the Pooleys. One of the several items new to me was Thomas, his wife and Alexander Gopsell Pooley are all buried at Highgate Cemetery. A very colourful character.
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Good luck with your search. I'll keep my eyes open for you.
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Hello,
Eliza Pooley is buried at Mill Road Cemetery, Cambridge. She died at Brunswick Place aged 53 years old.
CFHS code : AL395
Parish : St Andrew the Less
Inscription : ELIZA wife of ALEXANDER GOPSELL POOLEY d at Cambridge October 10th 1879 aged 53
Monument : Cruciform Coped stone
Above amended information from Cambridge Family History Society Survey
Monument
The monument in April 2021.
This cruciform coped stone in the parish of St Andrew the Less is just south of the north path and roughly 6 rows east of the central path. The carved inscription on the north side is still legible.
Inscription
ELIZA wife of ALEXANDER GOPSELL POOLEY died at Cambridge October 10th 1879 aged 53 years
[her life story can be read on the Mill Road Cemetery website]
[If you have any further information about this family, please contact us at Friendsofmillroadcemetery@gmail.com]