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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: KiwiHugh on Wednesday 16 November 16 08:07 GMT (UK)
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Peter Doyle was born circa 1828 and his Father was Thomas Doyle. From one of his children baptisms in Australia he stated he was from Begnalstown. There is a Thomas in the tithe applotments in the Townland of Gormena. The parish registers for Dunleckney are a shocker. From other sources can anyone see my Peters baptism anywhere near there please.
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The TP image finally came up and Thomas is on the same line as a James Doyle
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Transcribed records for Dunleckney(1820-1855) here;
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_index.htm
Graveyard inscriptions here;
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_Graves_incriptions.pdf
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The TP image finally came up and Thomas is on the same line as a James Doyle
Hi, is the Mother Judy or Judith and 1832 year of Baptism?
Maggsie
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Thank you nolan01. Have started trawling, moving out from 1828. I wasn't being wossy over the parish registers, even the transcriber B Walsh has a lot of "illegible" for the 1828 year.
Alas "unknown". Where it should be written for Fathers occupation and Mothers Forname and Maiden name is bracketed and "unknown" written. And it would have been my Great gran who was the informant. By 1899, one sister had died in Melbourne as a child, one sister had died after child birth and the other two sisters had returned to Melbourne.
While Peters age is consistent from his NZ death cert and the Melbourne birth cert I purchased he could well have been consistently wrong ;D
What and where did it happen, that you are you seeing Maggsie please?.
Can anyone tell be if the actual township of Begnalstown would have been covered by the TP's?
Peter was a carpenter. Not ALL Irish catholics can have been Farmers
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TP's?
Do you mean the Tithe Applotment books.
Only people with enough land to pay a tithe are listed. Anyone with less than 1(Irish) acre is not listed.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
A carpenter might only have had a yard and shed.
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Hi,
What I saw was a Baptism record in rootsireland................
Gormna Parish/District of BAGENALSTOWN
The Father was Thomas and the Mother Judith Farrell.
5th August 1832 for a James Doyle.
and
Catherine Doyle 1st March 1835.
I went to Ancestry and their records are from 1864.
It says records from 1620 to 1911 but only 1864 appear.
Could these be the siblings?
Maggsie
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Thanks Sinann. Yes. I keep forgetting there is an A before pplotments. Thought it was something like that but have spent my time trawling thru 23 years of transcriptions. Glad that is not how you found Judy Farrell Maggsie. My eyes are nearly falling out. Certainly beats looking at the real things though, Fortunately there were not that many Thomas Doyles. Wives being 2 Judys, a Rose, a Bridgett ( there is always a Bridgett ::) and a Mary that fall into the likelys. Now this set my memory clanging. Peter Doyle (it was him that was the carpenter. Thomas I dont know his job thanks to Great Gran not knowing) only had girls so it is hard to be sure but they started off at least naming the eldest girl in traditonal naming pattern. ie my great gran was named after her maternal Grandmother and child number 2 was MARY Ellen, Had just decided to call it quits at 1843 and go looking for a townland map.
Can anyone direct me to one that is going to show how far Ballywilliamroe is from Begnalstown. This is where Thomas and Mary nee Whitty were . Would be nice if it was Judith Farrell though as Thomas and brothers James and Patrick have a tombstone.
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OK, where did you mention WHITTY?
aaarrrhhhh!
Bridget 1831, Catherine 1838, Sally 1841 (that would be Sarah) and Marian 1844(possibly Mary Ann)
then..............
Can anyone direct me to one that is going to show how far Ballywilliamroe is from Begnalstown.
Bagnalstown find that on the map and follow a road to the right R724 (coloured yellow) then as you pass Kilcarrig take the white road (this is classed as a lane) and you will bump into Ballywilliamroe
It's just up the road you could walk it. I don't think the Church there was built until 1830, so if Peter was before then you would look in the nearer Parish.
I can't find Peter's Baptism, sorry
Maggsie
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Quick bit with local knowledge.
The present day town of Bagenalstown (Muine Bheag) is about 2 miles from Ballywilliamroe.The present RC parish of Bagenalstown is the same as Dunleckney RC Parish.
It has RC churches in Bagenalstown,Ballinkillen and Newtown.
Would think anyone living in Ballywilliamroe could have been baptised in either Newtown or Bagenalstown church as its about equidistant from both.
The baptisms I linked to take in the three churches in the parish.
For anyone living in that general area the nearest other parish would be Myshall which joins Dunleckney/Bagenalstown near Ballywilliamroe.
Have you looked at Griffiths;
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Unclear from your post if all the family left Ireland so maybe have a look at Griffiths or maybe even the 1901 census for a clue or two.
Regarding the distances,locations etc Google maps should give a good indication.Easy for me as its where I live !!
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The OSI Mapviewer is good as it has some old maps as well
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/
Use the search, the drop down lists, when you have the townland click on the 6"
This site is handy too
http://www.logainm.ie/en/
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Thank you for the map info. Will go down to the village and hope the young ones have not chewed thru the librarys data cap with their movie downloading. Suggestions of buying more data get snarls of "librarys are for books" from the even older ones who manage it. Maps on my dial up take so long I would qualify to do a 2 hour stint as the librarian. I bite my tongue and dont ask them "what friggin century do they think this is?"
Thanks for the PM but unless it was an adult baptism too far out. I know they could marry young back then but as Peter married in Mallow in 1851 and shipped out to Melbourne with wife and Greatgran in 1853 ( that family lore says she was 2 weeks old) But interesting that combo of Peter and Thomas. As you say Peter was not that common and Thomas only slightly more so. Starting to fear that he is one of the many illegibles in 1828. Having said that you should see the condition of our Treaty of Waitangi (1840) and that is meant to be the founding document of or nation.
Maggsie did not mention Whitty till after hours of trawling those trascriptions that noland01 put me on to. Hours ? See the above mention of my dial up speed :(
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Broadband is working. Found a marriage in Dec 1827 ? Tom Doyle to Mary ?Godmond?. Have put a request in at writing deciphering.
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Oh yes, sorry.
Maggsie
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TP's?
Do you mean the Tithe Applotment books.
Only people with enough land to pay a tithe are listed. Anyone with less than 1(Irish) acre is not listed.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
A carpenter might only have had a yard and shed.
Tithes were a tax on arable land. For example a farmer of an acre had to pay, but a farmer who had hundreds of acres of pastureland was not liable
jfch