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I would just like to ask if anyone has come across a Marie Theresa Ivy Baronville which later became Mary Baronville probably born around 1900. Also Col. Thomas Peacock who lived in lomville house in Kildale Ireland he died in 1939 and worked with the aga khan. It's a long shot but. Thanks.
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Where was Marie/Mary born?
Is there a connection between her and Thomas Peacock?
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I'd say that is Lumville House, Kildare, it's on the Curragh near Newbridge.
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Thina peacocke was born 10 june 1865 he was in the army. In trying to gind out where he came from and if there is an army record for him.
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As per my reply above - where was Marie/Mary born?
I suspect you have more info than you have given but it would be helpful if you could tell us whether there is a connection between them and where they each fit into your FH.
Please give us all info to enable us to help you
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He was involved in getting the Aga Khan's stud farm up and running.
http://www.agakhanstuds.com/Studs/Ireland/History/EN
His Obit
http://www.kildare.ie/ehistory/index.php/death-of-col-t-g-peacocke-director-of-h-h-aga-khans-stud/
Member of a well know Limerick family.
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Im not sure where mary baronville was vorn. Her parents where james baronvill who married eveline Enright. James was a soldier and i cant find any more info after that if someone could help inwpuld be greatful thanks
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What is your connection to her as that may help.
When was she born? We need some idea of a birthyear
When and where did her parents marry?
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She was born in 1910 thats alli know she married a thomas peacock who died in 1939 and i 1940 she married thomas martin. Thats all i can find on her
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Are we to assume all events took place in Ireland as you don't give that information?
Have you looked for her on the 1911 Irish census?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Have you bought a copy of her marriage cert to Peacock or Martin to establish her fathers name?
You still haven't answered the question as to what connection she is to you?
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The wife of Thomas Peacocke Lumville who died in 1939 name began with C according to the obit.
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Mary Baronville married Thomas Martin, she wasn't a widow
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08849/5199968.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/ae7f476543876
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She was my granny. I got her church marriage cert.
Thomas Martin and Margaret Brennan (both deceased), (Margaret written as Margaritae)
James Baronvill(sic) and Eveline Enright (both deceased), James written as Jacobi and Eveline written as Evelinae)
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I can only find her marriage in Ireland, nothing on her parents or her birth.
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Thats all i can find to
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When did she die and what age was she at the time?
So far you have said she was born around 1900 and born 1910.
There is no evidence of a previous marriage on her marriage to Martin so why do you think she was married to Peacocke?
Where (if at all)does family information say she was from?
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Thomas peacock ithink was her first marriage she had a son born in 1932. And another son in 1936 birth wasnt registered. She died in 1964 aged 54 years
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The only 1932 Peacock births I can see has mother Bronwell or Brophy, unless it was in Northern Ireland.
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Id say that might be the problem there is no records online for northern ireland for that time period
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Thomas peacock ithink was her first marriage she had a son born in 1932. And another son in 1936 birth wasnt registered. She died in 1964 aged 54 years
This gives the impression you know the 1932 birth was registered, so why not but it.
I can't get any marriage result for Baronville or Baronvill on free search from 1920 to 1932
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
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Hi I'm new to forum and joined when i spotted this chat. Thomas George Peacocke who lived in Lumville House, Co Kildare was my grandfathers brother. He was born in Limerick 10 June 1865 and died in Kildare in 1939. His wife's name was Zoe and from what I know they had no children. She died in Brighton in 1942. Someone contacted me some years ago about children he might have had so maybe there is another story here ..
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He doesn't appear to be the Thomas Peacocke that married Maria Baronville that carthy2015 was looking for. Did he and Zoe marry in England, I don't see a marriage for them in Ireland?
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I think she was born in Hong Kong but her family moved to London - can't recall family name but I'm sure it wasn't Baronville. He qualified as a Veterinary surgeon in Edinburgh and served as a Veterinary Officer in the British Army in India. I don't know too much about their life together. He retired and moved back to Ireland and was involved in the Aga Khan setting up Stud Farm in Kildare. It is possible he had a relationship with someone other than Zoe.
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Here is a link to Thom's Irish who's Who (1923) with an entry for a Thomas George Peacocke who married a Zoe McMurdo in 1903. Could this be the same T.G. Peacocke who was married to Mary Teresa Ivy Baronvill?
http://www.archive.org/stream/thomsirishwhoswh00dubl#page/202/mode/2up
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HI,
That information in Thoms refers to Colonel TG Peacocke who was my father's uncle. His wife was Zoe and they had no children in so far as our family was aware. I met my cousins recently and they never heard he had children / he was still married to Zoe when he died in 1939. She was his beneficiary in his will and she died in 1942.
I tried to see further information regarding Marie Theresa Martin's death in Dublin - her death cert doesn't give anything other than that she died from Natural Causes (even though only she died at quite an early age in 1964) / registered in Dr Stevens hospital / no other information. I asked the Registry to check further but heard nothing back. I've received no reply from the Cleere end of original query so no progress...
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Hi , I found another death cert (dated 24 Nov 1964) for a Mary Martin in St Laurence's Hospital
(https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04257/4092883.pdf
and one (dated 28 Sept 1949) for a Thomas Martin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1949/04541/4197627.pdf
The address for both at time of their deaths was 29 Lr. Clanbrassil St, Dublin
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Hi
I think you're right. The death i was looking at was for a Marie Teresa Martin (D. 25.6.1964) and it should be Mary. The Thomas Martin at address in Clanbrassil street was a tailor as Thomas Martin who married Mary Teresa Ivy Baronvill.
Baronvill is an unusual name and i've looked for it but can't find anything relevant. It is intriguing but I wonder is it a wild goose chase as Brendan or his friend never pursued it and I think I wasted time and effort as maybe you have.
Thanks again
cheers
Anne
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HI
Sorry to bother you but i don't see attached from UK Ancestry on the Ireland records. Maybe this birth was the Marie Teresa Martin whose death i had found for 1964 registered by Dr Stephens hospital..
Thanks again
Anne
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No Bother,
Indexes to Births after 1915 are not available on line on IrishGenealogy.ie.
You might be able to get a copy here:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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Hi again
Thanks, I see that now in relation to records / timeframes. I already got a death certificate for Marie Teresa Martin as I thought it would have more information than the registry - it cost me €42.50 for the very basic data (no address, age etc). When I queried it I was told to check with the Coroner - I thought they'd do that when I paid for it!
I don't know if there's any point in paying for Birth Cert for Marie Teresa as I don't think it will give any further detail on Mary Theresa Baronvill/Martin. There doesn't seem to be any accessible information with regard to where she was born and it is possibly a French or Belgian family name.
If you can find anything further on her it would be great!
cheers
Anne
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They will e-mail a copy of a birth cert which contains exactly the same information contained in the registry. This only costs €4.00. There is a link to the application form in the link above.
I have not been able to find any more information on Baronvill's either
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Hi again
Thanks, I see that now in relation to records / timeframes. I already got a death certificate for Marie Teresa Martin as I thought it would have more information than the registry - it cost me €42.50 for the very basic data (no address, age etc). When I queried it I was told to check with the Coroner - I thought they'd do that when I paid for it!
I don't know if there's any point in paying for Birth Cert for Marie Teresa as I don't think it will give any further detail on Mary Theresa Baronvill/Martin. There doesn't seem to be any accessible information with regard to where she was born and it is possibly a French or Belgian family name.
If you can find anything further on her it would be great!
cheers
Anne
Oh dear I hope you didn't buy it recently, it's free here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04262/4094656.pdf
If you do need to buy a cert (not all will be online) a research cert costs €4 on the link RJAL posted above.
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I did buy as I thought it would have missing information! not to worry - it's great to have all the information free as you would pay for it elsewhere...
It's a pity the Cleere end of query didn't give more information as twice it's being raised and my extended family are really interested that there are members we never heard of..
Thanks again for all your time
Cheers
Anne
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What is the Cleere query?
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Brendan Cleere raised issue re Thomas George Peacocke having 2 sons some years ago. Then (maybe his son) recently raised same issue. It's quite serious to claim that my grand uncle had 2 children "outside" marriage and his family didn't know. If it's not true a lot of time has been wasted. Who were the 2 children and how are they connected to Brendan Cleere? There has been no reply from him or person who raised query for him. I would have expected courtesy of reply. Thanks..
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Hello,
Is there anything new on this enquiry? re Mary Baronville "She was my granny. I got her church marriage cert", is the cert for her marriage to Thomas Martin (which is online) or to Thomas Peacocke which can't be found on published records?
I have never been able to find any information regarding the Baronvill(e) family. The phone number I had for Brendan Cleere (from his phonecall some years ago) is invalid and I haven't been able to make contact. I'd really like to finalise this matter.
Thanks
Anne