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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Mike Thw on Saturday 19 November 16 11:24 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone find any trace of Alice Jerman, b 1865. Llechylched post 1881 when she was a Servant in Llechylched?
Sight "difficulty" is that the Surname has also been recorded as German, Garman and Jarman :P
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Have you checked freebmd for a marriage for her?
If you use FS to look for a marriage or an 1891 entry - they automatically do a soundex search
https://familysearch.org/search
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865747?collectionNameFilter=false
Alternatively - you can just check the 1891 for an Alice b 1865 +- 1yr and use her birthplace which may show a married name. You can then use that surname to see if it matches a marriage
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Could this be her??
1891 Aberffraw
Minffordd
Thomas Edwards age 21 Llandrygarn ag lab
Alice wife age 26 born Llechylched Anglesley
henry son age 1 born Llanfaelog
Pam
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Have you already ruled out the 1885 marriage of Alice Jarman in Monmouthshire
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The 1891 entry above could be the 1888 Holyhead marriage - Alice Owens
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I came across the Thomas Edward marriage and "found" Alice Owens. Having difficulty locating her (to check) in 1881 and 1871. Only Alice that pops-up is Alice Jerman!
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Check freebmd births - her birth was registered as Jarman - not Jerman and the 1871 entry shows her as Jarman
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Freebmd shows all childrens births were registered as Jarman
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Yes Carole, the name is a bit confusing.
I plumped for Jerman which is the name on the WedCert of a Mary Jerman (1868), which is more or less my direct line.
Mary's brother John's daughter was registered as German in 1899!
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As an "clutching straws" aside, :P do you think 1883 is a bit late for Patronymic names for Marriage?
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If Mary Jerman married in 1868 and Alice Jarman was only born in 1864 - what is the connection?
Who was the father of Mary? Alice's parents are shown on the 1871 entry
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Mary was BORN in 1868. Married in 1886.
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I plumped for Jerman which is the name on the WedCert of a Mary Jerman (1868)
Hence the confusion over dates.
From my earlier reply
Have you already ruled out the 1885 marriage of Alice Jarman in Monmouthshire
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Could this be her??
1891 Aberffraw
Minffordd
Thomas Edwards age 21 Llandrygarn ag lab
Alice wife age 26 born Llechylched Anglesley
henry son age 1 born Llanfaelog
Pam
Henry Edwards' birth registration has:
Born 21 Apr 1889 Llanfaelog, son of Thomas Edwards and Alice JERMAN (widowed surname OWEN).
Other Anglesey births with mother's maiden name Alice Jerman/Jarman were:
William Richard son of William Owen, Alice Jerman 20 Sep 1883, Llangwyfan
Elizabeth dau of Thomas Edwards, Alice Jerman 13 Apr 1891, Aberffraw
Ellen dau of Thomas Edwards, Alice Jerman 17 Sep 1893, Aberffraw
Thomas son of Thomas Edwards, Alice Jarman 29 Apr 1896, Aberffraw
Richard son of Thomas Edwards, Alice Jerman 20 Sep 1899, Aberffraw
John son of Thomas Edwards, Alice Jerman 27 Feb 1902, Aberffraw
Anne dau of Thomas Edwards, Alice Jerman 11 Sep 1906, Aberffraw
Marriages:
Thomas Edwards, 18, Agricultural labourer of Tyddyn Meredydd, Llechylched, son of Henry Edwards, farmer and Alice Owens, 24, widow, Tynygongl, Aberffraw, dau of William Jerman, labourer at Bryndu Chapel on 29 Dec 1888.
William Owen, 21, labourer, Llangwyfan isaf, son of John Owen, employed on railway and Alice Williams (very late patronymic?), 19, spinster, Cnwc, dau of William Jarman (transcribed as Jarmon and Ferman), labourer at Llangwyfan Church on 26 Mar 1883.
Deaths:
William Owen, 24, 26 Jul 1886 at a shed at Bodelwa, Llangwyfan, labourer. Coroner's inquest held 28 July 1886.
Alice Edwards, 69, 23 May 1934, Ty Hir, Aberffraw, wife of master stonemason Thomas Edwards.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks Dragon T - that is definitely something to follow up. Alice's father was a William.
:)
Just out of curio, where did you find that info?
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Hi Mike, see our PMs 29/30 Jan 2015
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Memory Lapse, Idris ::)
Thanks again - most helpful.
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This is her marriage transcription - I have the marriage certificate:
26Mar1883 marriage after banns at Llangwyfan of William Owen by mark ba21full labourer of Llangwyfan-isaf s/o John Owen railway employee & Alice Williams by mark sp19 d/o William Jarmon labourer. Wit William Jerman/Elizabeth Williams.
Birth:
1864 Q4 birth Alice Jarman reg Anglesey 11b/519
Her second marriage:
1888 Q4 marriage Thomas Edwards & Alice Owens reg Holyhead 11b/899. Married at Bryn Du Chapel, Llanfaelog.
Death:
1934 Q2 death Alice Edwards age 69 reg Holyhead 11b/602. Of Ty Hir, Dothan.
Headstone: (picture available)
Gwalchmai churchyard: Alice Edwards Ty Hir, Dothan, Aberffraw d23May1934 age 69, Thomas Edwards d13July1954 age 84, John Edwards d08Sep1958 age 56.
Hope this helps,
Chris Jarman