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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: wiilams83 on Monday 21 November 16 00:20 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Sorry to trouble everyone but I need help with finding my ancestries parents.
This is what I know Ann sumnall married William Davies in 1833 then in 1852 to a George Wellings
Ann gives hers father name as Jonathan
Ann says she was born in 1814 Shropshire
Can anyone help me please
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An earlier thread on the family may be of use http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705470.msg5816373#msg5816373
There is a marriage on Anc of a Thomas Sumnals (age 21) to Sarah Jones on 27 Jan 1839 at Madeley Shropshire Thomas's father is listed as Jonathan Sumnals In the 1861 census Thomas listed his birthplace as Broseley, Shropshire which matches the census birthplace listed for Ann in the previous thread -so a possible brother of Ann?
Kay
Edit - This looks possible for Thomas's baptism with parents Jonathan and Ann Jane https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB6P-4RZ
Thomas in 1841 with family and Jane Sumnall (grandmother??) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQR5-DC6 On the image Jane is listed as a Lodging House Keeper
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In 1851 Jane Sumnall is still living at Crouper's Hole in Broseley
Jane Sumnall Head Widow 85 Pauper (Lab At Brickyard) b Benthall, Shropshire
Ann Simmonds Widow Lodger 50 Charwoman b Broseley, Shropshire
Henry Grainger Lodger 49 Shoemaker b Wellington, Shropshire
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Every bit of information helps I think it's the surname that's got me that's why I asked for help with they.
Am I right in thinking Jonathan died before 1851 and Jane died before 1861
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Based on FreeBMD Jane died in 1860 but I can't find a death or anything on Jonathan other than his listing as a father at the time of both Ann and Thomas's marriages, so he may have died pre 1841
It is possible Jane Sumnall was Thomas and Ann's grandmother
An interesting article on the Sumnall name and possible variations http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Sumnall
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Jane could be the mother to Jonathan. If only he was on the census return with a year of birth !
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Jane could be the mother to Jonathan. If only he was on the census return with a year of birth !
Yes she could have been his mother. Sad that Jane wasn't living with Thomas in 1851 to confirm the relationship but given the unusual name it does look likely she was his grandmother
I have looked at the National Burial Index for Sumnalls and the only one I can see in Broseley is Harriet Sumnalls who was buried there on 26 Jan 1824 age 14. Possible sibling of Thomas and Ann :-\
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In 1841 is a John Sumnall aged 50 working as a miner at Dawley to north of Broseley
The age may have been rounded up as it is the 1841 census and I can't see him post 1841 at the moment
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It's the surname that has got me and made it hard to trace.
Ie what happened to Johnathan ?
Birth of Johnathan his is mother Jane?
Did Johnathan have more children after from thomas and My Ann.
What's Johnathand occupation in 1841 if that's him and does it match with what his children say on their marriage record ?
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On your previous thread Keyboard found a second marriage for Ann Sunmall/Davies to George Wellings 18th July 1852 All Saints, Wellington and Ann's father was listed as John Sunmal occupation Collier so it matches the John Sunmall I posted in 1841 who was a miner http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705470.msg5816373#msg5816373
It might be worth considered this John as a possibility for Jonathan although his age looks rather too old
Apologies re my earlier post on the baptism of Thomas -his parents where Jonathan and Jane -not Ann - So I suppose could have been his mother Jane that Thomas was living with in 1841 but she would have been rather old!!!
Found another baptism for a sibling of Thomas and Ann - William baptised 1812 in Broseley https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWCG-4JP Will keep fiddling. I wonder if they only baptised the boys?? :)
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Thank you I'm not sure about Jane as her age is far to old. But would need to do some more digging I think is needed.
Like I said Ann married 3times throughout her life times each says her father is Johnathan (John) so not sure what to do next ?