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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Sylvia Paterson on Tuesday 22 November 16 22:01 GMT (UK)
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Looking for burial information please I.e., cemetery
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Can any one help
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Can any one help
Have you got a more specific location for it? There are old Scotland OS maps online, I can take a look at.
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Sylvia, the nearest was probably the Ramshorn kirkyard but that was reserved for the city's merchants, across the Clyde is Gorbals parish so I think the Cathedral would be the best bet for Glasgow & the Barony parishes. There is a burial ground at St Andrew's on the Green which is just east of St Enoch's but that was for Episcopalians.
Dunno if St Enoch's had a kirkyard of its own, the church has completely disappeared.
Skoosh.
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This is a request I have had by email from NZ. Trying to find a Rev Dr William Taylor, Minister at St Enoch Church, Glasgow who died at St Enochs d.1823/5
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Ramshorn as was said before or Southern Necropolis.
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Thank you - will see what I can find.
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The Necropolis was opened in the 1830's by the merchants as the Ramshorn was full. The Southern Necropolis wasn't opened until the 1840's when municipal cemeteries became essential due to rising population in the city combined with epidemics like cholera & the scandal of private mass-graves in the east-end. There was a parish kirkyard in the Gorbals though. Two small burial grounds in Anderston & another in North Street, were all built over.
If this minister was off a merchant family in Glasgow, the Ramshorn is likely but have you considered that he might have been returned to his home parish if that wasn't Glasgow.
If I was a betting man I would start at the Cathedral.
Skoosh.
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Found a website with a list of burials in Ramshorn - he's not there. Will try and find where he came from. Many thanks.
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http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSA01081
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Where did the info about him being at St Enoch's come from?
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His descendants in New Zealand.
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Have you found any info about him on Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae
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According to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae he died on 15th March 1825. There is a death notice in the Caledonian Mercury but nothing in the Glasgow Herald. No mention of funeral arrangements unfortunately.
Isobel
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Thank you so much for your reply. How can I find a copy of that news paper?
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Excuse my ignorance but I have no idea what that is.
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Sylvia, there are two documents in Wills & Testaments www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for him (Inventory and Disposition and settlement). Unlikely they will include anything on his burial but just mention in case you haven't come across them yet.
Monica :)
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Will check that out. Many thanks.
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http://www.archive.org/stream/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft#page/n449/mode/2up
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Again, another source for research for him here www.universitystory.gla.ac.uk/biography/?id=WH27253&type=P
Monica :)
Added: Also this extensive biographical sketch www.rootschat.com/links/01iwc/ but nothing on his burial details!
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Had a look at that. Thank you.
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Similar thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759983.0
Moderator - suggest amalgamating these threads as they are effectively the same question.
Threads merged.
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I have a copy of a little publication by Glasgow & West of Scotland FHS from 1986 entitled Burial Grounds in Glasgow - A Brief Guide for Genealogists. There is no mention of St Enoch's Church or any churchyard/burial ground attached to it.
Presuming that the said church was somewhere in the vicinity of the current St Enoch Square, the nearest burial grounds were -
Blackfriars Churchyard (or College Churchyard) High Street, this was an ancient burial ground, demolished 1875. Registers for 1776 - 1854 should be at the Mitchell Library. Mitchell may also have some MIs.
The town hospital in Dunlop Street, closed before 1831, demolished before 1858. So theoretically it could still have been open for interments in 1825. No known burial register for that period and no monumental inscriptions list.
Ramshorn, St David's - you have already searched.
High Church/Cathedral/Old Barony Church, Cathedral Square. an ancient burial ground, new burial ground opened 1801, crypt in Old Barony Church opened about 1805 closed 1835. Mitchell Library should have burial records and some MIs.
Anderston Old Churchyard at Heddle Place and St Mark's Anderston at Cheapside Street were both, as far as I know, secessionist churches. So if Dr Taylor is listed in the Fasti he wouldn't have been buried in either of these.
There was another burial ground in North Street, presumably Church of Scotland, first burial there was 1821. Burial records only begin at 1830, there may be a few MIs but I think they will still be in unpublished manuscript form at the National Archives in Edinburgh. (Or whatever they are calling it nowadays).
Glasgow Necropolis didn't open until 1832.
Sighthill Cemetery opened 1840.
Southern Necropolis (Gorbals) opened 1840.
Good luck with your search.
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Many thanks.
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He may also have been returned to his home town of Crieff if the family had a lair there
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The Scots Magazine dated 1 Apr 1825
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH AND CHARACTER OF THE LATE REV DR WILLIAM TAYLOR, MINISTER OF ST ENOCHS GLASGOW AND ONE OF HIS MAJESTY"S CHAPLAINS FOR SCOTLAND.
Above article is 9 pages long, detailing this man's life.
Born 28 Feb 1748 in Crieff
A quck scan does not seem mention him being laid to rest
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Thank you, thank you, thank you - his family in New Zealand will be ecstatic over this. I don't know the people concerned but they had emailed us at Callander Heritage Society for help.
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Sylvia, he doesn't appear to be in Baldernock or the Cathedral on this site, somebody like himself would surely have had a stone. He wasn't a Glasgow man so possibly in the lair of a friend?
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk
Skoosh.
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I'm guessing he may have been buried at St Enoch which as I've found out thanks to Rootschat no longer exists. I've also checked Crieff cemetery but he's not there or Ingram Street.
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The Scotsman has a report on 23rd October 1925 concerning the sale of the fixtures and fittings of the church which was being removed to allow free flow of traffic through St Enoch's Square. There was some opposition by the Scottish Ecclesiological Society to the church being demolished because it was alleged it stood on a site used for Christian worship since the days of St Mungo. No mention of a graveyard or any burials within the church.
Isobel
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Burials inside churches was frowned upon by that time. Westminster Abbey must have stank to high heaven!
http://www.glasgowhistory.com/st-enoch--square.html
Skoosh.
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I wouldn't be too quick to discount the Ramshorn. The nature of the gravestones there was such that most names of those buried in family plots could not be on the stone. I have found several family members buried there who are not listed in the standard MI reference book but whose interment is detailed in the parish records for this church. It makes it a bit tricky to track them down but if you do then the Ramshorn records are very detailed.
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How do I find the parish records.
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Hi Sylvia
Are you are still searching for the final resting place of the Rev. Dr William Taylor? (1748-1825) I may have the answer!
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How do I find the parish records.
The parish records are what is on Scotland's People.
Isn't there a book someshere with information about Ramshorn - published a longish time ago? I'm sure I remember coming across such a book somewhere before the advent of CD-ROMs and the internet. But maybe that too is only inscriptions.