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Title: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: amberly on Saturday 26 November 16 21:00 GMT (UK)
John Hughes married Mary ROGERS, [bap 3 Apr 1808 in Buttington to John Rogers & his wife Elizabeth] in 1829 at All Saints, Buttington.
Banns: John Hughes, servant to Martin Williams, Hope in this Parish & Mary Rogers of Cletterwood in this Parish.
Marriage Cert: John Hughes of this Parish, bachelor & Mary Rogers of this Parish, spinster.
Mark of John Hughes but Mary Rogers signed her name.   Witnesses: Elizabeth Rogers [Mary's sister, also signed her own name] & Richard Beedle [future husband of Elizabeth] marked with a X.

John & Elizabeth Rogers had 4 children: William 1798, John 1801, Elizabeth 1805 & Mary 1808, all born Buttington.

They married 25th May 1797 in Welshpool.  She was Elizabeth Humphreys, spinster, aged 24 d/o Edward Humphreys, weaver & his wife Mary.  He was John Rogers, bachelor, aged 33, husbandman, s/o John Rogers, husbandman & Catherine.   Both signed with an X. Witnesses Richard Williams & Jacob Humphreys who I think was the Parish clerk as he'd signed other certs. They both signed their names.

So Elizabeth was 9 years younger than John.

All the above was found on FindMyPast. 
I assumed Elizabeth Humphreys was his wife as they had married the year before their 1st child William was born.

Now this is where I get stuck.    John was 33 when he got married so born in 1764 or thereabouts but I can't find one in Montgomeryshire.     It's the Rogers I'm researching so need to know who his parents were.   Any ideas please where to go from here??    Am I missing something??
Thanks to anyone who can help.
Amberly.
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 03 December 16 16:56 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org

1841 C  Kilkewydd Fingerpost Cottage      Forden

John Rogers      M   60-64   Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth Rogers      F   55-59   Montgomeryshire
Ann Rogers      F   20-24   Montgomeryshire
John Rogers      M   15-19   Montgomeryshire
Martha Rogers      F   12   Montgomeryshire
John Rogers      M   4   Montgomeryshire



1851 C    _______ ? Montgomeryshire

John Rogers              M   72   Pauper Labourer              Forden, Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth Rogers   Wife           F   67                                        Forden, Montgomeryshire
Ann Rogers   Daughter   F   30                                        Forden, Montgomeryshire
John Rogers   Son           M   21                                        Forden, Montgomeryshire
Thomas Rogers   Grand Son   M   8                                        Forden, Montgomeryshire


 :-\   



Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: amberly on Sunday 04 December 16 17:16 GMT (UK)
Hello Alberbury,

So you don't think my Mary Rogers parents were John & Elizabeth [Humphreys]??

I concluded her mother was Elizabeth Humphreys because they m in 1797 in Welshpool & their 1st child William was b in 1798, the next year.  Mary herself was b in 1808 in Buttington, nr Welshpool & m John Hughes in 1829 in Buttington.    John Hughes was a servant in Hope, parish of Buttington when he m her.   She died in 1877 as Mary Hughes of Hope, parish of Buttington. [FindMyPast] So all this seemed to fit very nicely to me!!!

When they m John's parents were named as John & Catherine.    I cannot find a John R m a Catherine in Montgomeryshire.  John who m Elizabeth Humphreys was 33 when he married her, so he'd be b around 1764 so his parents John & Catherine could have been m up to 20 years before that, but I cannot find anyone that fits those criteria in Montgomeryshire.     Stuck again!!
Amberly
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Sunday 04 December 16 17:36 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bsurname%3Arogers~%20%2Bdeath_place%3Awelshpool~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1800-1870~

Have you looked for the burial of John Rogers?
With a possible Memorial Inscription, with valuable information.
Or his Death Certificate.
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Sunday 04 December 16 17:45 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org

John Rogers
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
marriage:   20 October 1792   Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales   
spouse:   Catherine Thomas

A possible 2nd marriage
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Sunday 04 December 16 17:47 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org

Name    Joseph Lawton
Spouse's Name    Elizabeth Rogers
Event Date    22 Dec 1844
Event Place    Trelystan, Montgomery, Wales
Father's Name    Edward Lawton
Spouse's Father's Name    John Rogers
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: amberly on Sunday 04 December 16 22:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Alberbury,

I can't be sure of John Rogers death. I have the book of Montgomeryshire Records for Christ Church Welshpool but it's not in there.   Of course he could have been buried at St Mary's.

The marriage of John to Catherine Thomas in Welshpool in 1792 was no good as they were both 56 years old & both widowed.   Of course neither of them need have been from Montgomeryshire, they could have been from anywhere???

Have found the m of Joseph Lawton & Elizabeth Rogers on both FindMyPast & Family Search but cannot find them on a census in either Wales or England???    Don't know where he was born of course or where he was living prior to the marriage.

I seem to be quite stuck at the mo & do not yet want to spend any money on certs!

Thanks for your suggestions anyway, every little bit helps.
Amberly


Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Monday 05 December 16 17:50 GMT (UK)
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1851 C  ________?  Montgomeryshire

William Rogers   Head   M   52   Shoemaker       Buttington, Montgomeryshire
Martha Rogers   Wife   F   43                           Forden, Montgomeryshire
Thomas Rogers   Son   M   17                           Buttington, Montgomeryshire
Sarah Rogers   Dau   F   16                           Buttington, Montgomeryshire
Mary Rogers   Dau   F   13                           Buttington, Montgomeryshire
William Rogers   Son   M   12                           Buttington, Montgomeryshire
John Rogers   Son   M   11                           Buttington, Montgomeryshire
Martha Rogers   Dau   F   7                           Welshpool, Montgomeryshire
Joseph Rogers   Son   M   2                           Welshpool, Montgomeryshire
Elenor Jones      F   9                           Welshpool, Montgomeryshire



"John & Elizabeth Rogers had 4 children: William 1798, John 1801, Elizabeth 1805 & Mary 1808, all born Buttington."

Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Monday 05 December 16 17:59 GMT (UK)
1861 C  Trelystan Road    Leighton     Montgomeryshire

Thos Oliver   Husband   M   26                          Bailey, Worcestershire
Eliza Oliver           Wife           F   30                          Churchstoke, Montgomeryshire
Rich Oliver            Son            M   7                           Minsterley, Shropshire
Pryce Oliver   Son           M   0                                   Leighton, Montgomeryshire
John Rogers   Lodger   M   60  Unm   Wheelwright   Buttington, Montgomeryshire


"John & Elizabeth Rogers had 4 children: William 1798, John 1801, Elizabeth 1805 & Mary 1808, all born Buttington."
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: Alberbury on Monday 05 December 16 22:30 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org


Mary Rogers
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
birth:   16 February 1807   
baptism:   1 March 1807   Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales   

Mary
Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
christening:   23 May 1813   FORDEN, MONTGOMERY, WALES
residence:      Forden, Montgomeryshire, Wales   
father:   John Rogers
mother:   Elizabeth

Mary
Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
christening:   17 March 1816   FORDEN, MONTGOMERY, WALES
residence:      Forden, Montgomeryshire, Wales   
mother:   Elizabeth Rogers

Mary Rogers
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
baptism:   16 May 1819   Buttington, Montgomeryshire, Wales


Cannot find a baptism for Mary in Buttington 1808.
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: amberly on Tuesday 06 December 16 01:15 GMT (UK)
Mary Rogers was b in April 1808 to John & Elizabeth on FindMyPast & her m is on the same page.    She m my relation John Hughes.
I find it odd that you often can't find something on one site but can on another.
I've found her m on the 1st page of Fam Search but no birth.   Her m has her sister Elizabeth & her future husband Richard Beedles as witnesses.
William was a shoemaker & m Martha Whettall & John I'd never found.  However thanks to you I guess it's he who is a wheelwright & lodging in Leighton but unm in 1861. No wonder I couldn't find him on Anc as his name is misspelt as RAGERS, & there's no census page to read it's just a black, blank page.
There are so many John Rogers in the area, Welshpool, Buttington, & a huge family of Rogers in Guilsfield, several b in the early 1800's.
It's all very muddling, but thanks for your help, I do appreciate it.   Amberly.
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: amberly on Tuesday 06 December 16 02:00 GMT (UK)
Just found on the 1851 census a John Rogers b 1803 in Forden working as a servant wheelwright in Mellington, Shrops, unm.  Wonder if this is the guy you found in Leighton??

My family are Roberts & Griffiths & I thought they were bad enough but Rogers seems to be as bad!!!

My head spins from searching for Rogers!

Thanks for your help.  Amberly
Title: Re: Rogers family of Buttington & Welshpool
Post by: amberly on Tuesday 06 December 16 19:23 GMT (UK)
OK, Alberbury, thanks for all your help, BUT it seems that we're not really looking for the right family.  It's very complicated but someone had emailed me with sections of our DNA matching & thought we were related through this Rogers family, but it seems now from what we found out that this was not so.  Onwards & upwards!!  End of researching that!  But thanks so much again!
Amberly