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Title: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: tinkerbell5 on Thursday 01 December 16 15:14 GMT (UK)
I wondered if anyone would be able to help me. I can't figure out what it says on the Headstone with regards to date of birth etc.

I don't know what it says below it but I'm assuming it's a rest in peace type message.

Thanks in advance! :)
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: josey on Thursday 01 December 16 16:03 GMT (UK)
Is this a photo you took yourself? If so it may be worth revisiting the cemetery & taking a picture with oblique light - eg early morning or late afternoon. Alternatively you could make a rubbing with a wax crayon & large piece of paper. Both these ploys make a headstone easier to read.

If it is a picture you have been given or found online, why don't you tell us what you can actually read & I'm sure we can all contribute a bit towards the rest. For instance as he is a rellie, you probably know the year of death & parents.

Josey
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: tinkerbell5 on Thursday 01 December 16 16:07 GMT (UK)
Yes this is a picture I found online, I'm unable to visit the place as I have no means of transport.

All I can make out is 'Thomas Barber, son of Henry and Mary Barber who departed this life'
'in the'
'of his age'.

I would only like to know what the top of the gravestone says and I'm sure there is a date there and possibly an age, but I really cannot read it. I honestly wouldn't ask for help if I was able to.

Thank you for your help :)
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: josey on Thursday 01 December 16 16:09 GMT (UK)
No worries - I wasn't being 'sharp'  ;).

I have tried adjusting brightness/contrast & other tricks & will see what I can see. :)

Year of death looks like 1834 or 1831, month Nov ? in the twenty xxx [I suspect fifth] year of his age
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 01 December 16 16:19 GMT (UK)
I'm seeing Decr 11th 18x1 (or 18x4) - 1 & 4 are often hard to tell apart, and I'm nowhere near 100% sure on 11th. Then I think it's "in the forty fifth year of his age".

I know it's a bit of a cop-out, but can you tell us where this headstone is? That way we might be able to look for other photos of it, or perhaps check against register entries etc.

Arthur
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: tinkerbell5 on Thursday 01 December 16 16:30 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone,

Thank you for your help! :) The gravestone is in Swarkestone in Derbyshire, St James' Church Cemetery I believe.
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 01 December 16 17:40 GMT (UK)
It looks like it came from this website

http://gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=363568&scrwidth=1200

It looks identical to the one that tinkerbell has put on.

You can request a higher quality larger version of the photo.  Press the relevant button on the page which is - Request a free image of this monument.
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: tonepad on Thursday 01 December 16 18:04 GMT (UK)
I can see:

Son of Henry and Mary Barber
who departed this life Dec (r) 14 (th) 1854
in the forty fifth year of his age
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 01 December 16 18:20 GMT (UK)
No Thomas Barber death in 1854 in Derbyshire in indexes .....
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: SmallTownGirl on Thursday 01 December 16 18:23 GMT (UK)
I can see:

Son of Henry and Mary Barber
who departed this life Dec (r) 14 (th) 1854
in the forty fifth year of his age

The details on the link that Girl Guide posted say buried 1831 age 44.

Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 01 December 16 18:29 GMT (UK)
The Church seems to have a Facebook page.  Why not message them and ask?
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: tonepad on Thursday 01 December 16 19:29 GMT (UK)
The year on the headstone could read 1834 and not 1854 as I first thought.
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 01 December 16 23:02 GMT (UK)
A can of shaving foam & a plastic scraper should do the trick. Fill the letters & use the scraper then wash the inscription clean with water.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: Trishanne on Friday 02 December 16 15:24 GMT (UK)
I have tried to highlight the relevant section but did not have much success. I think it reads Dec 11th but the year is very unclear, it could be  1871/1874 or 1841/1844 or something else. ::)

The message after is taken from Revelations 114:13, King James version... Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth. Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours............ etc. etc.

edit: sorry not very clear, it looked better on my computer than on here. ??? :-[
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: bugbear on Tuesday 06 December 16 16:53 GMT (UK)
I have tried to highlight the relevant section but did not have much success. I think it reads Dec 11th but the year is very unclear, it could be  1871/1874 or 1841/1844 or something else. ::)

The message after is taken from Revelations 114:13, King James version... Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth. Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours............ etc. etc.


I don't think that's all of it though; I tried to read the stuff at the bottom.

.. promised full and ...
... of earth born bliss ...
... that looks beyond time ...
to realms where purer love are found
the faith alone can peace impart
to the survivors broken heart
............
..........

Google doesn't give me anything for those phrases

  BugBear
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: bugbear on Tuesday 06 December 16 16:56 GMT (UK)
Bingo!


Epitaphs, collected from the cemeteries of London, Edinburgh &c. by J.B. Robinson

Joseph Barlow Robinson
1859

Swarkestone church yard


Lay up in heaven thy treasur'd store,
And trust to time's vain hopes no more,
Whose blighted blossoms wither here,
Water'd by sorrow's bitter tear.

Yet once they promised full and fair,
The fruit of earth-born bliss to bear,
But faith that looks beyond time's bound,
To realms where purer joys are found;

This faith alone can peace impart,
To the survivor's broken heart,
Which worn by griefs corroding rust
Craves rest together in the dust.

(google link (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XmACAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA76&dq=%22faith+alone+can+peace+impart%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP347ig-DQAhXBJMAKHe9sAeUQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22faith%20alone%20can%20peace%20impart%22&f=false))

 BugBear
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: bugbear on Tuesday 06 December 16 16:59 GMT (UK)
Swarkestone is in Derbyshire - this old book may be a transcript of this particular marker!

Edit; the gravestone photo site says "Thomas Barber grave monument in St James , Swarkestone, Derbyshire, England"

 :) :) :)

 BugBear
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: bugbear on Tuesday 06 December 16 17:16 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBXH-WTL

Name    Thomas Barber
Event Type    Burial
Event Date    15 Dec 1831
Event Place    Swarkestone, Swarkestone, Derbyshire, England
Gender    Male
Age    42
Birth Year (Estimated)    1789

 BugBear
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: Annie65115 on Tuesday 06 December 16 17:34 GMT (UK)
Definitely December, and I see 1830-something. Could be 31, 32 or 34.

It could be December 11 - but I wonder if it might instead be roman numerals for the date in December.

Definitely the forty fifth year of his age.

(Sorry, late to the party and I didn't spot the definitive message immediately prior to this!)
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: bugbear on Tuesday 06 December 16 18:00 GMT (UK)
This thread is an interesting echo of an epitaph I was trying to trace for MY tree:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754942.msg6043408#msg6043408

This too was a piece of poetry ONLY seen on grave markers, not copied from the bible or "normal" poetry.

And from a similar period.

 BugBear
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 December 16 18:01 GMT (UK)
any better?
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: Falleneagle on Sunday 11 December 16 22:11 GMT (UK)
Looks like 1871 or 4 I'm leaning towards 1874
Title: Re: Request for Deciphering Head Stone
Post by: suzyvan on Sunday 11 December 16 23:14 GMT (UK)
This is a little clearer.