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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: amberly on Thursday 01 December 16 20:13 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for the birth of the above gentleman & who his parents were. On the 1911 UK census he's living in Portislade, Somerset with his wife Rose & 3 children. He's 43 years old, born around 1868, birthplace Chicago, Ill, resident of USA. No job, as it says "not allowed to work" presumably because he's not a UK resident by birth & has become a UK citizen yet?? He's been married 6 years.
I can't find him on a passenger list coming to UK which I'm assuming was between 1901,[as he's not on the 1901 census,] & 1905.
Please can anyone shed light on this man's family???
I think I've found a marriage for him in 1888 to Mary Kennedy who died in 1905 aged 29. There's also a child named Mary I Newell, spelt with an E not an I, b 1894 who died in 1897 aged 3. Both mother & daughter, if they are indeed mother & daughter are buried in Oakwoods Cemetery in Chicago.
I'd appreciate any help anyone can give me re his parents & possible siblings etc.
Thanks so much,
Amberly.
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Looked at the children first
NEWILL, CHRISTOPHER THOMAS
Mother's maiden name BUSS
NEWILL, CHRISTOPHER THOMAS BUSS
NEWILL, RHODA MARY
Mother's maiden name CROUCHER
Richard Thomas Newill married Rose Buss 1905 Brighton 2B/352 Q1
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Thank you! I have all this, it's the Chicago, US info I can't find. Amberly
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Court proceedings in Chicago in 1904 - "Mary Newill vs Richard T. Newill"
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/34504433/
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On the 1901 census in Portsmouth. A visitor in the household of Harriett Loten:
Richard T Newill age 42(refused) - living on own means - American Subject
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I am sure you will have seen references to Richard Thomas Newill born 1855 in Chatham, Kent. He seems to have served in both the Royal Navy (1870's) and the US Navy (1880's). Just wondering if this could be the same person.
I think you will need to get the 1905 marriage certificate to find out his father's name.
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"Richard Thomas Newill was charged at the Police court on Thursday with being drunk and disorderly in Chapel Street, Newhaven..."
(Sussex Agricultural Express, 16 November 1901)
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I am sure you will have seen references to Richard Thomas Newill born 1855 in Chatham, Kent. He seems to have served in both the Royal Navy (1870's) and the US Navy (1880's). Just wondering if this could be the same person.
I think you will need to get the 1905 marriage certificate to find out his father's name.
Could well be the same person, nothing showing in US census for someone of that name in Chicago.
IFit is the one born Medway, Richard is with his mother and siblings in Medway Union Workhouse in 1861.
Richard Thomas Newill - Maiden Surname Of Mother - Scrivens
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 278
There was a marriage Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England - 10 February 1838 of William Newill to Martha Scrivens -
Mother Martha Newill passed away 1878 Portsea Island - 2b 360
Sandra
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Notice on the 1871 Census Blockhouse Fort Portsmouth Harbour Portsea Island Portsmouth - Richard Newill - born Chatham 1855 - Boy 2 Class (Boy) not on board. (coincidental that there is a Naval Theme ???)
Date of birth 2 April 1955 - Date of voulnteering 5 October 1869 - Continuous Service Number: 10337B
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7938801
Sandra
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There's a baptism in Southsea (St Jude) on 29 November 1862
Richard Thomas Newill, son of William Newill, pensioner and Martha
This is from a transcription. I haven't seen the register page.
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Notice on the 1871 Census Blockhouse Fort Portsmouth Harbour Portsea Island Portsmouth - Richard Newill - born Chatham 1855 - Boy 2 Class (Boy) not on board. (coincidental that there is a Naval Theme ???)
Date of birth 2 April 1955 - Date of voulnteering 5 October 1869 - Continuous Service Number: 10337B
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7938801
Sandra
Richard T Newill b 2 Apr 1855 Surrey , number 10337B , signed on for 10 years ( this would be after service as a boy ) 9 Apr 1873 and served to 3 Jan 1876. Reason for discharge : run Sheerness.
I think this means he deserted. There are no further entries in the record.
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Wow, I've just gone on line & am amazed at all the replies. Thanks to Sandra & CB53, & many many thanks to ShaunJ, you've really gone overboard!
I haven't got time right now to read them all as I have a busy day ahead but shall reply eventually. Watch this space!
Thanks again, Amberly
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No wonder I couldn't find him in the US!
When I found him in 1911 saying b Chicago I didn't look for him anymore in the UK.
So well done to you all for looking there.
ShaunJ, I can't open Mary Newill v RTN 1904, however it fits in with me finding a marriage for him to a Mary Kennedy in 1888 in Chicago. No doubt he left her in the lurch & she was trying to catch up with him to get support. She died the next year I believe in 1905 aged 29.
Don't think the drunk & disorderly RTN is mine as he should have been in the US in 1901.
Yes Sandra I believe the family in Medway Union Workhouse was his, but where was William, his father? I can't find him in 1861.
In 1841 his family was living in Portsea & Wm his father was a shoemaker.
In 1851 they were living in Chatham & Wm was a policeman.
In 1861 they were in the workhouse. Martha stated wife of Wm Newill, shoemaker, but he wasn't living in the workhouse with them.
In 1871 they, Martha now widowed, are in lodgings in Portsea & Martha called herself a policeman's wife. She died in 1878 in Portsea.
Are these 2 different families do you think?? What's going on here, can anyone understand it???
In 1871 RTN signed himself up in Portsmouth for the Navy, since he probably needed a job now his father had died.
Thanks to you all for all this help, I've certainly made progress here.
Anymore comments from anyone please??
Amberly
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I think it is the same person in 1901.
William back with his mother in 1861 - occupation shoemaker - same as 1841
1861 Landport Portsea Island Portsmouth Hants
RG 9 Piece 644 Folio 6 Page 8
Ann Newill 79
Mary Ann Newill 50
William Newill 47 Born Portsea. Shoemaker.
Emily M Newill 20
Sandra
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Don't think the drunk & disorderly RTN is mine as he should have been in the US in 1901
But I did find him in Portsmouth in the 1901 census !
Also there seems to be a Newhaven connection with the birth of Richard Thomas Victor Newill there in 1905 (mother's maiden name Buss), and Rhoda in 1910 (MMN Croucher)
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Thank you Sandra, for finding him in 1861 living with his mother, when his wife & family were living in the workhouse! Sandra, finding him living with his mother in 1861 enabled me to go back another generation too, so that was helpful.
Also ShaunJ you're correct he was in the UK in 1901 & living in digs. So I can't disown the drunk & disorderly one after all!!!!
I'm still beavering away, but you've all been most helpful, thanks so much. Amberly.
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Great to see you breaking down those brick walls. Shout if we can help further.
Cheers
Sandra ;)
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Thanks, Sandra!
Amberly
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Hi Amberly
I was amazed to find the info on RT Newill my interest is on the 1901 census as he is staying with a relative of my family. How is he connected to yours if at all ? I know it been ten months since your last post. The other responders were fantastic.
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Hi PP,
Sorry to have taken so long to reply, just arrived back from holiday last night.
I have not been able to link RTN into my Newill family tree & have really given up on it all, sorry!
Amberly.
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Hi Amberly,
Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry to hear you've given up on Richard Thomas Newill.
However not wanting to bore you with my short story but the info you had acquired on him from the roots chat was really amazing and from so many people. I have now joined .
My interest is in tracing a illegitimate father of a grand parent in my history. I know you can never confirm these kind of details. However in the 1901 census my illegitimate grandfather then three years old was in a household in Portsea Portsmouth. Who else was there but RTN as a visitor from the US on independent means. The grandfather bears the same two christian names as RTN. Given all the history uncovered by the people who replied to your entry nearly a year ago, I cannot believe I discovered all this just by googling RTN.
Further research shows RTN on the 1911 census in Sussex having married Rose Buss with 3 children 5,3, and 1, having shed 13 years and being born in Chicago ( ha ha). He also lost a child, Richard Thomas V Newill, aged less than one year, so he's got a thing about names. Free BMD further shows another Six children between 1912 and 1925. By then he's close to 70 having originally been born 1855 in Medway. His father originally came from Portsmouth. I know all this will prove nothing for me but if you get a fraction of what learned from your Roots chat entry it will have achieved something.
Best regards
PP
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Thanks for your interesting reply. RootsChat doesn't always come up with such a wonderful reply but is mostly very helpful. I use it a lot & the replies or comments can come in several years after the original entry. I'm often quite surprised!
RTN may still be related to me but I just can't pin it on him as yet!
Happy hunting! You won't be disappointed with RootsChat I'm sure.
Amberly.