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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Deesider on Saturday 03 December 16 12:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi can any body help?
I have come across a baptism 5th April 1803 at St Mathew's Church Scotland Road , Liverpool
Baptism reads George son of George Audley, Gentleman of Freemasons Row and his wife Margaret late Blair
I would suspect that this is the same George Audley and Margaret Blair who had a marriage licence granted to them by the diocese of Cork and Ross, Ireland in 1802.
Can anybody please tell me where they were after 5th April 1803
Thanks in anticipation of your help
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A tree on Ancestry has them back in Ireland marriage for George Audley 1826 Waterford to Sarah Robinson...Death for George Audley 24/4/1864 Waterford might be worth checking
Rosie
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Hi Rosie,
Many thanks for your reply. I have seen the members trees on Ancestry, but my concern is how do I know that they are correct. I know quite a bit of information about the family of George Audley who married Sarah Robinson. The grave stone of George Audley in Abbeylands Cemetery Waterford indicates that George Audley was 63 when he died in 1864 indicating that he was born between 24th April 1800 and 24th April 1801. I have a copy of a letter from the Grandson of the George Audley (who died in 1864). The letter was written in 1931 and states that his grandfather was born 19th April 1801. This information being written on the back of a photograph, that was in his fathers effects.
The grandson was born in Australia so would never have seen his grandfathers grave stone but the information he had supports the information on the gravestone. The gravestone information and the grandson's information does no fit in with the birth and baptism of George Audley in 1803 in Liverpool. Hence my concerns with the Ancestry trees
I know that George Audley and Sarah Robinson had 6 daughters but none of them were named Margaret, surely if Margaret Blair was the mother of George Audley of Waterford, one of his daughters would have the same name as his mother.
Therefore to me George Audley and Margaret Blair are not the parents of the George Audley who died in Waterford in 1864. If they were then there would be a burial record of a Margaret Audley in that part of Ireland but I cannot find one.
I do not understand why a George Audley and a Margaret Blair would marry in 1802 in Cork and then have their child baptised in Liverpool in 1803. I can guess why they needed to marry by licence, but not why the baptism took place in Liverpool.
Could it be that Margaret's parents lived in Liverpool or were they emigrating to America (or elsewhere) and Liverpool was an intermediate port of call.
What are your thoughts
Regards
The Wirral Way
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There is a George Audley born around 1788
died 1878 aged 90 in Rathdown.
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Yes thought it strange myself with the marriage in Ireland then the baptism in Liverpool do you have any other family members for this couple
Rosie
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Hi Rosie,
Many thanks for your two most recent replies.
My concern with the death of George Audley in Rathdown in 1878 aged 90 is that in 1802 he would have been about 14 years old. To me this is too young to have got married by licence, but may be not.
I have no other information about the George Audley who married Margaret Blair in Cork in 1802 and were the parents of George baptised in Liverpool in 1803.
With Regard to the George Audley who married Sarah Robinson in 1826 in Waterford I have a 29 page document about them and their children and I am in contact with living descendants in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. My goal is to identify the parents of the George Audley who married Sarah Robinson in 1826.
I have seen some Ancestry Members trees that indicate that George Audley and Margaret Blair are the parents of the George Audley who married Sarah Robinson but to me the evidence does not match the speculation
Regards
The Wirral Way
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14 years old is a bit too young to get married. Although, my 4th great grandmother Alice Hornby married when she was 15, her husband was 10 years older. So I guess it could be possible.
Beth
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Hi Beth,
Many thanks for your replies. Like you I have seen a number of instances where someone has married very young but in the cases I have see it is the bride who was 'a minor' and the groom was significantly older. I have never seen it where the groom was a minor and the bride older.
In your opinion is it sufficient to say that the George Audley who died in Rathdown, Ireland in 1878 aged 90 must be the father called George Audley of a baptism 200 miles away in 1803 in Liverpool, England and the child in that baptism, also called George Audley must be the George Audley who married Sarah Robinson in 1826 in Waterford Ireland (75 miles south of Rathdown); or do I need to find more information?
Regards
The Wirral Way
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effects under three hundred pound
8th May
George Audley
late of 131 The Quay in the County and city of Waterford
shop keeper deceased who died 24th April 1864
at the same place were granted at Waterford to Sarah Audley
of the Quay aforesaid the widow of said deceased
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If it was me I would search every where till I found the answer even if it takes years
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I have read before about Irish couples marrying in Ireland and having children baptised in Liverpool - Religious Faction differences
ie - A Catholic marries a Protestant and BOTH families of the couple want the child to go "their way " religiously ...so - the couple jump a ship over to Liverpool and do it their own way to avoid confrontation - in fact I would suggest this still happens to date :)
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Hi Radcliffe and garstonite,
Many thanks for your replies:
The probate details that Radcliffe refers are for the George Audley (Junior) who married Sarah Robinson in 1826 in Waterford. The reference to the death of a George Audley in 1878 aged 90 in Rathdown, Ireland is Bethany's suggestion for the possible death record of George Audley (senior) the father of the George Audley (junior).
From the information I have I believe this is 'a possible family tree but probably not'. I just need that additional bit of information to make 'a probable family tree'.
Radcliffe. I will continue to search until I resolve this issue, so please don't get upset if you see a similar question in the future!! I think the first thing I need to obtain is a copy of the death certificate of George Audley in Rathdown in 1878 or perhaps wait until the irish genealogy website places more images on line.
Garstonite I was thinking the reverse George got Margaret pregnant so they popped over to Ireland to get married but it could well have been the reverse. The church used for the baptism is slightly unusual St Mathews, Scotland Road; where as most beople with the Audley surname were baptised at St Peter's or St Nicholas' in Liverpool.
I actually put the message on the Lancashire page (as opposed to an Irish county) as I was hoping someone could find them in Liverpool. In the Baptism record George Audley the father is described as a Gentleman of Freemasons Row. What sort of area was 'Freemasons Row' in 1803?
Off at a tangent In the catelogue of portraits painted by the artist Thomas Beech there is recorded that he painted the portrait of a George John Audley, a Liverpool Merchant in 1793 and I was wondering if the father of the baptism in 1803 could have been the George John Audley painted in 1793.
Thanks to all for your help I would welcome all suggestions
Regards
The Wirral Way