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Hi there,
Can some kind soul possibly help with any info on this family ?
Robert Bannister was born in Leominster and married Alveley born Catherine Scriven during the 1870's.
The 1881 census records them living with family at Cookscross Alveley, Shropshire -
Robert BANNISTER M Male 34 born Leominster Shopman Provision Hand
Catherine BANNISTER M Female 24 Alveley, Shopmans Wife
two children -
Robert J. BANNISTER Male 5 born Birmingham
Fanny E. BANNISTER Female 2 born Birmingham
But then they seem to "disappear" for a few years ( they are not on the Alveley census of 1891 or 1901 )
But daughter Fanny "reappears" in 1897 in the Parish Church Registers -
BANNISTER FANNY, aged 18-daughter of Robert Bannsiter married John Harvey Stant (aged 24- Bricklayer) 13th April 1897.
Any help or info on any of the family much appreciated
kindest regards
alveleyhistorian
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This looks like Robert jnr on the 1891 census
Ref: RG12/2077 Folio 24
Fred Bannister Head 47 b Leominster, Herefordshire Cabinert Maker
Mary Bannister Wife 35 b Paulerspury, Northamptonshire
Robert Bannister Nephew 15 b Birmingham, Warwickshire
47 Lautre? St, Kington, Herefordshire
sue
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And Fanny is with the grandparents:
RG12/2095
Folio 8 p. 10
Alveley, Shropshire
49 The Village
James Scriven, head, 56, Stone Quarry Man, b. Alveley
Emily A, wife, 53, b. Herefords Bishopstone
Thomas Grandson, 14, General Labourer, b. Alveley
Fanny Bannister, Gddau, 12, scholar, b. Staffs Hockley (?)
Annie H Middleton, single, adopted dau, 22, General Servant, b. Alveley
Tanja :)
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Marriage of Robert BANNISTER/Catherine SCRIVEN
Year 1875 Qtr Jun Dist: Bridgnorth Vol 6a pg 1077
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Marriage of Robert BANNISTER/Catherine SCRIVEN
Year 1875 Qtr Jun Dist: Bridgnorth Vol 6a pg 1077
Many thanks to both of you for your very quick responses.
The puzzle continues ! I wonder what happened to Catherine and Robert - can't find them anywhere in the 1901 census ! Anyone with "stronger glasses" wish to take up the challenge ?? ??? ??? ??? ???
Any help or advise much appreciated
alveleyhistorian
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Robert Bannister was killed in action 1915 ...see 'All heroes' by Tim White for more details of Robert.
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Is it Robert senior you are more interested in?
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In 1891 Fanny lived at 49 The Village with her Scriven grandparents. She is 12.
Interstingly, a Henry France lived next door at no 50...and as Robert James Bannister married a France (m. Agnes Louisa, daughter of John and Mary Ann France), is there a connection????
Any specific questions for me???
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In 1891 Fanny lived at 49 The Village with her Scriven grandparents and my grandfather Thomas. She is 12.
Interstingly, a Henry France lived next door at no 50...and remember Robert James Bannister married a France (m. Agnes Louisa, daughter of John and Mary Ann France.
Any specific questions for me???
Hi there,
Yes, you seem to be very knowledgable - fancy giving me some clues to who you are ???
Happy to pm and tell you who I am ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
By the way " All Heroes" was written by T White and M Sheridan
Best Wishes,
alveleyhistorian
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Hi, are you who I think you are?????
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sorry, I shouldn't be asking names on line...are you Gorgonzola, then??Or Etlelred??
I will pm you!
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Have you any idea where/when Catherine Bannister (Scriven) died. I have just found out that her husband Robert died in 1884 in Winson Green prison, i am unable to find Catherine anywhere . I am new to this web site so am 2 years late with proceedings. Also any ideas where to look for information why he was in prison.
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Have you any idea where/when Catherine Bannister (Scriven) died. I have just found out that her husband Robert died in 1884 in Winson Green prison, i am unable to find Catherine anywhere . I am new to this web site so am 2 years late with proceedings. Also any ideas where to look for information why he was in prison.
:) :) :) :) Hello - christmas come early !
Please get in touch !
We are all interested to contact you !!
Don't worry about being 2 years late, the search is always on for Scriven info !
Alveleyhistorian
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Went to salop yesterday and read through parish deaths for alveley looking for Catherine Bannister but to no avail. I have looked to see if she married again but no luck. Am a bit concerned because of where her husband died. On her daughters marriage certificate where fathers name should appear there is line drawn. Alveleyhistiorian we have been in touch before concerning the France family.
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Ginger, I am also following this with great interest.
Are you sure that the Robert Bannister who died in WG was Catherine's husband? Can you share how you know that?
I am wondering if Catherine Bannister died aged 24 in 1880 in Wolverhampton,as per a search on free BMD?
Any thoughts on that one?
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scriv2. On 1881 census in Alveley Robert and Catherine appear, Robert aged 34 and when he died in WG he was 38 which ties up, also the 2 children from the marriage were born in Bham. This also proves that the Catherine in Wolves is the wrong one.
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Yes..I suppose I was clutching at straws and kind of hoping that the census entry in 1881 was her parents either double entering her in error or not knowing where she was. - as has happened on another branch of my family.
Ah well, it would have been a neat solution.
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Hi Scriv2. :)
Here is some Scrivens to play with,
The Register of all such p'sons as have been Baptised and Maried in ye p'sh ?? Foard Sithens the Firste daye of Juli.
Anno Domini 1569.
18 Dec 1745 Joseph Scriven, of St. Chads p. bur.
21 Jan 1747 Elizabeth Scriven, of St. Chads p., wid bur.
The Register Booke of the P'she of Hopton Castle, Anno Domini, 1538--1812.
14 Aug 1667 Abraham Scriven bur.
The Register Booke of the P'she of More, Anno Domini, ---.
Volume 1.
22 May 1574 John Scriven bur.
Chelmarsh Parish Registers.
Volume 1.
27 Apr 1687 Phillip, s. of Phillip and Mary Scriven bap.
28 Oct 1750 Joseph Scriven and Mary Hollins mar.
Shropshire: Alberbury - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
Alberburg Parish Registers.
Volume 1.
24 Aug 1634 Johanis, f. Johan'is et Elinore Scriven de Stanford bap.
25 Oct 1636 Johan'es, f. Johan'is et Elinore Scriven de Willaston Magna bap.
Shropshire: Cleobury Mortimer, Hopton Wafers - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
06 Mar 1768 Robert, s. of Tho. & Jane Scriven.
22 Mar 1775 Jane, d. of Tho. & Jane Scriven.
08 Nov 1767 Thos Scriven & Sarah Green.
Shropshire: Calverley - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
04 Nov 1753 Mary, d. of James Scriven bap.
11 Dec 1755 Ann, d. of James [& Ann] Scriven bap.
24 Mar 1756 Ann, d. of James & Ann Scriven bur.
29 Jan 1786 William, s. of Thomas & Elizabeth Scriven bap.
04 Jul 1790 Thomas, s. of Thomas & Elizabeth Scriven bap.
Shropshire: Ludlow - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
10 Nov 1697 John Farmer, of Diddlebury, & Martha Scriven mar.
Shropshire: Westbury - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
The Parish Registers of Westbury.
29 Aug 1712 Thomas Scriven bur.
Oldbury Parish Registers.
18 Apr 1752 James Scriven, p. Claverly, & Ann Tomkies, p. Oldbury, by banns mar.
Wistanstom Parisb Registers.
21 May 1667 Thomas Scriven, de Castro Richardi, et Aliciam Bythel, de Longa villa matr.
28 Jan 1667 Alicia, fa. Thomae Scriven et Aliciae suis uxoris bap.
28 Jan 1667 Eadem Alicia uxor Thomae Scriven sep.
11 Aug 1668 Alicia, fa. Thomae Scriven et Alicia ejus uxoris defunctae sep.
Thats all on the Hereford diocese disc, any particular name you want pre ab 1820? I will certainly have a look for you,
Best wishes and happy hunting.
Pete :) :)
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Wow, that's fantastic, Pete. I can really have a play now.... Thanks so much!
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No probs Scriv2 :). There are 58 on the Litchfield Diocese disc ( Shropshire ) Do you want these?
Pete :) :)
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As all my Scrivens are in and around Alveley ( as far as I know anyway), I'm not sure which parishes will be relevant.
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As all my Scrivens are in and around Alveley ( as far as I know anyway), I'm not sure which parishes will be relevant.
Don't worry scriv2 I think we've got them all well and truly covered - even the ones hidden behind gooseberry bushes ;D ;D
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Hehe!! :) :)
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scriv2. On 1881 census in Alveley Robert and Catherine appear, Robert aged 34 and when he died in WG he was 38 which ties up, also the 2 children from the marriage were born in Bham. This also proves that the Catherine in Wolves is the wrong one.
OK, we know Catehrine's family, and we know the children were born in B'ham ( why - we don't know !)
Are we sure that this Robert who dies in Jail is "our Robert Bannister". There were many Bannisters in WG at the time (I've checked ) Is there any paperwork showing his next of kin or home address at time of internment ?
I doubt the death cert will mention any next of kin.
All fascinating stuff !!!!!!!! :) :) :)
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Hi Scriv2 :). I will let you decide,
Grinshill Parish Registers.
Volume 1.
01 Oct 1616 Thomas Scriven, senr, & Margarett Corbett, widdow mar.
Shropshire: Condover - Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
15 Apr 1584 Mrs. Ann Scriven, of Frodgley bur.
23 Nov 1587 Thomas Scriven, of Frodgley, Esquire bur.
22 Feb 1600 William, s. of Francis Scriven bap.
12 Apr 1601 Ann, w. of William Scriven, of C. bur.
03 Nov 1603 William Scriven, of C. bur.
06 Nov 1603 Marye, d. of Francis Scriven, of C. bap.
20 Apr 1613 Charles Buttler, servant of Mr. Scriven, of Frodgley bur.
17 Oct 1624 [blank], w. of Edward Scriven, of Frodsley, Esq. bur.
18 Aug 1631 Edward Scriven, esquire bur.
17 Mar 1632 Thomas, eldest s. of Thomas Scriven, Esqr., of Frodsley bur.
26 Jul 1634 Francis Scriven bur.
03 Dec 1636 Reinold Scriven, gent. bur.
21 May 1641 Mris Rachell, d. of Thos. Scriven, Esqr. bur.
21 Mar 1656 Jone Scriven bur.
12 Apr 1659 Dam Margret Scriven bur.
18 Dec 1664 Margreett, d. of Edward & Mary Scriven bur.
19 Dec 1664 Margrett, a servantmaid of Will. Scriven's bur.
04 Sep 1667 Shusana, w. of Rich. Scriven, Esqr. bur.
22 Jan 1673 William Scriven, fr. Frogley bur.
13 Apr 1677 Mary, w. of Edward Scriven bur.
04 May 1679 Mary, w. of William Scriven, from Fragley bur.
26 Jan 1682 Collonel Richard Scriven bur.
28 May 1691 Mary Scriven bur.
23 Jan 1693 Edward Scriven bur.
16 Apr 1705 Jone, w. of William Scriven bur.
07 Apr 1707 Eliz., w. of Wm. Scriven bur.
01 Jul 1708 Armenia, w. of Will. Scriven bur.
04 Dec 1710 Margaret, d. of Wm. & Marg. Scriven bur.
16 Mar 1714 Margaret, d. of Will. & Marg. Scriven bap.
Will. Scriven, Will. Stephenton, Ch. W.
17 Aug 1718 Mary, d. of Will. & Mary Scriven bap.
18 Feb 1728 Thos. Weaver & Martha Scriven mar.
Longnor Parish Registers.
29 Sep 1682 John Jukes & Marie Scriven mar.
Shropshire: Shrewsbury - St. Mary Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
23 Apr 1664 Ellnor, d. of Richard Scriven.
15 Dec 1631 Elizabeth, d. of George Scriven, bap.
A Register Book for the Parish of Leighton.
17 Jul 1750 William Scriven, of Empstrey.
18 Jan 1752 Margaret Scriven, wid., of Empstrey.
Buildwas Parish Registers.
Volume 1.
14 Jan 1719-20 Edward, s. of William & Elianer Scriven bap.
03 Dec 1720 Thomas Scriven & Elizabeth Pigg mar.
22 Dec 1720 William Scriven, senr. bur.
30 May 1728 William, s. of William & Eleaner Scriven bap.
05 Feb 1736 Mr. William Scriven bur.
03 Mar 1740 Edward, s. of William Scriven bur.
27 Jun 1742 & 29 Jun 1742 Mary, d. of Richard & Mary Scriven bap.
09 Jul 1746 Mr. John Kilvart & Mrs. Mary Scriven mar.
28 Aug 1751 Mr. Thos. Scriven, of Brompton bur.
17 Sep 1758 Eleanor Scriven bur.
Shropshire: Shrewsbury - St. Chad Parish Registers, Lichfield Diocese
28 Apr 1734 Scriven, s. of Robt: Prichard bap.
17 Feb 1734 Scriven, s. of Robt: Pritchard bur.
30 Sep 1760 Scriven, Anne, d. of Willm: bur.
17 Mar 1778 Scriven, William, taylor, aged 26 bur.
Shropshire: Lichfield - Wills and Administrations, 1516-1652
Lichfield Wills and Administrations Registered in The Consistory Court of The Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry. 1516 to 1652
1590 Scriven, Alice, ad. 140
1612 Scriven, Richard 211
1616 Scriven, Margery, ad. 200
1634 Scriven, Francis
1637 Scriven, Thomas
Thats all for Litchfield,
Best Wishes
Pete :)
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Many thanks. :) :)
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How did you checkprisoners in WG i would love to know. No next of kin on death cert. Would a visit to Bham archives help also there was a inquest at the time of death.
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How did you checkprisoners in WG i would love to know. No next of kin on death cert. Would a visit to Bham archives help also there was a inquest at the time of death.
A quick "google" showed many Bannisters detained in WG during the late 1800's.
Have you got the death cert ? Any interesting info on there ?
A possible inquest document - fascinating ! This gets better and better. These often mention a family member or reference to abode etc. (Just "Alveley" spelt badly would be a blessing ! )
:) :) :) :)
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Had a quick look at Birmingham city archives website and we might be in luck -
"Inquest files are arranged chronologically so you will need to know the date of the inquest. This is given on the death certificate "
So a trip to brum would certainly help ! ;) ;)
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Dear Scrivens and related folk,
I am looking for Mary Scriven (1723 Much Marcle), m Richard Whittaker (1721). She was, I believe, daughter of George Scriven. Does anyone have such a scriven on their records?
Thanks so much,
Al
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Not in my Alveley line, I'm afraid.....sorry, I haven't come across them in my research either. :(
Good luck.