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Hi there,
I'm trying to assist a friend in finding out what happened to her ancestor John Truswell Doughty b 1827 in Nottingham, England. He married Annie Robson and had at least 4 children including John E (b1852) George H (b1859) Adeline (b1855). Family folklore suggests he disappeared to America leaving his family behind where he is believed to have taken 100,000 'bonds' and was 'caught' in New York..
Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
Regards
John
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Hi if I have followed the correct family from 1861 census where Annie Doughty b c 1828 Married b Sunderland, Adeline c 1855 Sunderland, George Hawson Doughty c 1859 Manchester living in Bishopwearmouth
Census Ref RG09/3773/86/15, if John E was b c 1852 Worksop he is elsewhere in 1861 census, in 1881 census:-
Annie R Doughty 54 Married b Sunderland
George H 22 b Manchester
Alfred H 15 b Scotland
Residing at Birkdale, Lancashire
Census Ref RG11/3745/44/51
So it is the 1871 I am still trying to locate, but John looks to have been in Scotland c 1865?
Keyboard86
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There are reports of a John Doughty , secretary to Mr Ambrose Small a Canadian millionaire who disappeared from Toronto in 1919, who was charged with stealing $100,000 worth of bonds from his employer. He was also charged with kidnapping Mr Small. He was arrested in Oregon in November 1920 , living under an assumed name , put on trial, found guilty and imprisoned. No trace was found of Mr Small.
This obviously doesn't fit the time frame for John Truswell Doughty but other elements of the story fit.
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A report about the case :
http://torontothenandnow.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/14-ambrose-small-and-torontos-crime-of.html
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New York Daily Tribune
16 Feb 1860
To Whom it May Concern
John Truswell Doughty, late of Manchester, is earnestly requested to communicate with his friends in England, or with his brother, William Doughty, King William street, Hamilton, Canada, West.
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Hi so going on the above request in 1860 New York, can you confirm in fact John Doughty married Annie Robson Blyth 16th September 1851 St Thomas, Bishopwearmouth, then christened John Edward Doughty 1st July 1852 St Mary (Priory) Worksop, Father John Truswell Doughty Mother Anne Robson, then we have this baptism from Family Search:-
Alfred Herbert Wrigley Doughtie 2nd November 1865 Duddingston, Midlothian Father John Bately Wrigley Doughtie Mother Annie Robson Blyth?
So, was John T in Scotland for this baptism, if in fact it is the Alfred Herbert(shown in later returns) Doughty b c 1865 Scotland?
John Edward in 1861 b Worksop states his father is a Draper
Keyboard86
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Keyboard,
Yes sounds like you're on the right track and appears that John T Doughty left his family behind for some reason who thought he was in New York . Thanks so far for your efforts
John
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CB53,
Very interesting information about the kidnap and more than likely that's where my friend gleaned their information about the bonds etc.. however it is highly unlikely to be John Truswell Doughty who was responsible as he would have been about 90 years old!.. Thank you for your assistance so far
Regards John
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CB53,
Very interesting information about the kidnap and more than likely that's where my friend gleaned their information about the bonds etc.. however it is highly unlikely to be John Truswell Doughty who was responsible as he would have been about 90 years old!.. Thank you for your assistance so far
Regards John
I think it's more likely that the story of the disappearance of John Truswell Doughty became mixed up with the story of this case over time. If JTD had stolen $100,000 bonds in the 1860s that would have been worth $1.4 million in todays values and would surely have made the newspapers.
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New York Daily Tribune
16 Feb 1860
To Whom it May Concern
John Truswell Doughty, late of Manchester, is earnestly requested to communicate with his friends in England, or with his brother, William Doughty, King William street, Hamilton, Canada, West.
Interesting Genealiza... John T Doughty disappears to New York and his brother William is in Canada!.. could the John Doughty who ran off with the £100,000 in bonds be William's son??..
Thank you got your assistance so far..
Regards John
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Hi there
I am also doing my family tree I'm a Doughty. I've come across JTD too. Can anyone help me out with some info my tree is public in Ancestry. Rebecca Keane. My father was George Bernard doughty. But I'm now struggling to get JTD parents not sure if it'd William and mary? Any ideas. Thanks and also what's with the mystery that's cool
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Hi so going on the above request in 1860 New York, can you confirm in fact John Doughty married Annie Robson Blyth 16th September 1851 St Thomas, Bishopwearmouth, then christened John Edward Doughty 1st July 1852 St Mary (Priory) Worksop, Father John Truswell Doughty Mother Anne Robson, then we have this baptism from Family Search:-
Alfred Herbert Wrigley Doughtie 2nd November 1865 Duddingston, Midlothian Father John Bately Wrigley Doughtie Mother Annie Robson Blyth?
So, was John T in Scotland for this baptism, if in fact it is the Alfred Herbert(shown in later returns) Doughty b c 1865 Scotland?
John Edward in 1861 b Worksop states his father is a Draper
Keyboard86
This baptism has still not been fully replied to, eg was this the Alfred Herbert Doughty b 1865 Scotland in UK census returns, if him or not, was John T therefore possibly in Scotland c 1865
Alfred Herbert Doughty married Margaret Webster Dec qtr 1889 Ormskirk 8b 1189
Keyboard86
EDIT For NoughtyDoughty85
John Truswell Doughty baptism 25th March 1827 Skegby Father William Mother Ann
In 1841 there is is a John Doughty aged 15 shown as Drapers Apprentice in The Square, East Retford, Nottinghamshire
Census ref HO107/851/ 12/9 / 10
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Found their marriage lic.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-CNMV
John of Worksop
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Found their marriage lic.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-CNMV
John of Worksop
:) Further forward, so is this the same John Doughty who was a John Truswell Doughty and baptising a son Alfred Herbert as John Bately Wrigley Doughtie?
? Did the father have to be at a baptism?
Keyboard86
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Wanted to run an 1871 census by you, especially Keyboard86
Adeline is in Middlesex I believe
RG10; Piece: 1333; Folio: 102; Page: 6
but rather than dismiss this one, there is a John Batley, not quite fitting but bear with me
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFDY-258
John Batley Head M 55 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Annie Batley Wife F 40 Sunderland, Durham
George Batley Son M 12 Manchester, Lancashire
Alfred Batley Son M 5 Haddington, Scotland
on the other site, they have him as 35
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:) How interesting, Adeline by the way married a Frederick John Lewis in Bristol 1873 sometimes an Ada
Keyboard86
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There's a long article, one of many in different counties
Westmorland Gazette 19 January 1856
Singular House Robbery With Violence
where John Doughty commercial traveller is away from home and Annie is robbed...the servant is taken into custody for the plot a long with the girls mother
address is 8 Horsley Street, Chorlton Road, Manchester
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:) Looking good, Haddington birth place of Alfred 1865 baptism Duddingston are approx 16 miles apart,
Looking like he never was in USA?
Keyboard86
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John Edward with Howson and Truswell
RG 9; Piece: 2421; Folio: 53; Page: 12
Mary Ann Howson 35 Derby Skegby
John Richard Truswell 20 Nottm Farnsfield
John Edward Doughty 8 Nottm Worksop
rest of the houshold are servants
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John's sister ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DS6-1KT
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:) John Richard Truswell 17th January 1841 St Michael, Farnsfield
Father Richard Mother Sarah
Keyboard86
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Hi again, a Richard Truswell married a Sarah Hawksley 12th June 1838 Southwell, St Mary the Virgin (Minster)
In Farnsfield 1841 HO107/865/ 18/30 /12
Keyboard86
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Am going to call it a night now, will have a look tomorrow :)
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John's sister ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DS6-1KT
Looks like they were living together prior to this marriage
Census ref 1851 HO107/2122/172/19
1861 RG09/2419/25/7
Keyboard86
PS so it cannot be the Mary A Howson/Hawson b c 1825 Skegby in 1861 above?
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Hi found this Mary A Doughty aged 26 b Skegby with sister Selina 18 b Letwell? Yorkshire at Langold House, Worksop with a William Doughty 53 b Southwell
Census ref HO107/2122/372/12
Keyboard86
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Right I'm confused was in new York then? What about the article
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Hi again, did John/Annie have another child a William Blyth Doughty b March qtr 1857 Barton upon Irwell v 08c page 462
Mmn Blyth
In 1861 he is with a William Doughty 66, Selina 28, aged 4 b Manchester shown as Grandson
Census ref RG09/2420/101/15
Keyboard86
PS What happened to William Blyth Doughty post 1861 census?
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New York Daily Tribune
16 Feb 1860
To Whom it May Concern
John Truswell Doughty, late of Manchester, is earnestly requested to communicate with his friends in England, or with his brother, William Doughty, King William street, Hamilton, Canada, West.
The brother William could be this one :-
William Doughty baptism 2nd April 1820 St Giles, Edingley Father William Mother Ann, in 1841 Census :-
William Doughty 40
Ann 40
William 20
Selina 10 b Yorkshire
Residing at Langold, Letwell, Worksop
Census ref HO107/1331/ 13/4 / 13
Selina married a William Askew September qtr 1863 Worksop 7b 37
And a Mary Ann Hawson b c 1825 married a James Birch Dec qtr 1862 Worksop 7b 75, is she the Mary A Howson/Hawson with John Edward Doughty aged 8 b Worksop in 1861 and Mary Ann Doughty with Selina & father in 1851?
Keyboard86
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I didn't look past the marriage as it was late.
Hopefully jayhen6 has some info to help.
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;) I wish they would, a lot of work has been carried out, a couple of visits to view possibly but no replies, never mind fascinated with this family so will plod on ;D
1841 census a Mary Doughty 15 along with other Servants is working for a John Truswell 45 in Farnsfield
Census ref HO107/865/ 18/25 / 2
Keyboard86
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Is this Mary Ann's marriage?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DVW-BP7
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Is this Mary Ann's marriage?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DVW-BP7
Or Freebmd Dec qtr 1862 Worksop as James Birch / Mary A Hawson 7b 75 and census returns.
Keyboard86
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Can see it's Birch, sorry was looking for Mary B's poss birth Yorkshire but it's not happening and so taken a while to reply!
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I'll check my tree tomorrow and get back to you
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Hi again, a birth registration of a Mary Birch September qtr 1863 Worksop mmn Doughty
Keyboard86
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Nice find :)
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Hi there
I am also doing my family tree I'm a Doughty. I've come across JTD too. Can anyone help me out with some info my tree is public in Ancestry. Rebecca Keane. My father was George Bernard doughty. But I'm now struggling to get JTD parents not sure if it'd William and mary? Any ideas. Thanks and also what's with the mystery that's cool
Hi can you give us how/why you believe there is a link to JTD when was George Bernard Doughty born and where?
Keyboard86
PS so when/how did Mary Ann Doughty b c 1826 Skegby ( No baptism found) become a Hawson/Howson 1851 to 1861 census?
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Hi there,
Apologies for my delay (manic time of the year) many thanks for the interesting research to date in this bit of a mystery. I shall try and fathom it out in order to make more sense and report back,
Thank you all once again
Regards
Jayhen6
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Hi my 2x gt grandfather was John Truswell Doughty.His mother was Ann Truswell baptised 3 Mar 1793 Farnsfield Nottingham England.Her father was Richard Truswell 1763/1814 and her mother was Elizabeth Denman 1769/1826. Ann Truswell was firstly married to Joseph Esam 14 May 1815 Farnsfield Nottingham. It seems as though Joseph later died as Ann then marries William Doughty 14 Feb 1820. John Truswell Doughty has the middle name of his mother's surname. John Truswell married Annie Robson Blyth (who has her mothers surname as her middle name) 16 Sept 1851 St Thomas Bishopwearmouth Sunderland. My gt grandmother Adeline Doughty was born 13 May 1854 Bishopwearmouth. John Truswell Doughty's brother emigrated to Canada (to Halifax I believe). Adeline was on the 1871 census aged 16 as a patient at East End village convalescent home, Barnet, Finchley, Middlesex. Adeline married Frederick John Lewis 14 September 1873 St Philip and St Jacob Bristol.
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Hello to anyone with interest in John T Doughty my 2xGt grandfather. I've been trying to find information about the robbery of my 2xGt grandmother Annie Robson Blyth/ Doughty.If anyone could help me to locate the information in the Westmorland Gazzette it would be much appreciated.Many thanks Lin
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Hello, been wow 2017 last posted. Did anyone find anymore info regarding JTD? Thanks
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Any thing in particular you are looking to find ?
Sandra
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Hi everyone so between myself and a 2nd cousin - OP, its taken us years but we've managed this so
far. We havent managed to find where he exactly went. The story so far... (Just realised someone posted about the 1871 census with different names as well so good work there!) More of an update really for anyone searching JTD or for anyone who may ideas on searching for him.
- When John Truswell Doughty was born in 1827 in Nottinghamshire, his father, William, was 32 and his mother, Ann, was 34. He married Anne Robson Blyth in July 1851. They had four children in 13 years.
John worked as a draper, and was suspected of being involved in insurance fraud in a fire at his business in 1854 but it would seem that would be the end of his career. The two defendants were aqquitted of the charges. In 1856, whilst he was away on business, his wife was the victim of a robbery where it would seem her servant was arrested and tried but found NOT GUILTY. Both are available to view on the gallery. In 1857, in the birth certificate of his son William Blyth he is listed as 'warehouseman'
After searching for a long time, I found a 1871 census record that listed a John Batley, Anne Batley, George Batley and Alfred Batley, with the children's birth year with 12 months, the places of birth very similar, bar John Truswell Doughty/John Batley whose DOB differs. His job is listed several times as Commercial Travaller and given how JTD is listed as John Batley Wrigley Doughtie in Alfred's birth, I am confident the 1871 census is the Doughty family. Please see the census records and all other records.
TIME LINE SO FAR -
JOHN TRUSWELL DOUGHTY - WHAT WE KNOW..,
(Brother William Doughty born 1820 death 1862, Canada)
B - 1826/EARLY 1827
F- William Doughty
M - Ann Truswell
Baptism 25th March 1827 Skegby By Mansfield, Nottingham
1829 Birth of brother James Truswell Doughty Skegby (1829-1874 death Ontario)
1831 Birth of sister Selina 1831 - Letwell, Yorkshire
1841 census residence - East Retford, Notts (age 15) - Draper’s apprentice
1848 Death of mother
16th Sep 1851 - Marriage to Annie Robson Blyth in Durham
June 1852 Birth of son John Edward Doughty - Worksop
Jan 1853 - Defendants committed for trial in the case below in Notts
1854 - Court case where John is listed as having a draper shop in Worksop but now of Manchester. He is described as ‘The prosecutor (John Doughty) was not a trustworthy person after the defendants implicated him in insurance fraud after a fire at his shop.
1856 - Robbery at Chorlton - servants robbed Anne whilst John was travelling on business
1857 - Birth of son William Blyth listed as ‘warehouseman’
1860 - Advert placed in New York Tribune, Feb 1860, JTD, late of Manchester, is earnestly requested to communicate with his friends in England of his brother William, King William Street, Hamilton, Canada West.
1865 - Birth of son Alfred Herbert Doughty registered as - Alfred Herbert Wrigley Doughtie, in Duddingstone, Scotland, - Father John BATELY Wrigley Doughtie Mother - Annie Robson Blyth
1870 Death of father William
1871 CENSUS - Listing as follows -
John Batley - 55 (1836) commercial traveller, Huddersfield, Yorkshire,
Annie Batley - 40 (1831) commercial travellers wife, Durham, Sunderland
George Batley - 12 (1859) Manchester, Lancashire
Alfred Bately - 5 (1866) Haddingon, Scotland
1873 - listed in daughter Adeline’s marriage in Bristol as John Doughty - draper
1891 Census shows Annie as widowed, previously census shows still married.
WHAT HAPPENED FROM 1857-1860 to 1871 WHICH PROMPTS HIM TO USE DIFFERENT NAMES, MAYBE GO TO NEW YORK. Did he ever go to New York? Maybe he stayed in England? Need to check known aliases - John Bately, John Batley, John Bately Wrigley Doughtie
Was the newspaper advert in NY a plot to distract attention away from England? Why not mention Annie?