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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: squinn5 on Sunday 11 December 16 01:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for any information or connections to the family of George Todd & Ann Beecroft of Durham. George & Ann were married in 1815 at Bishop- Wearmouth, Durham, England.
What I'd like is to know of any other children George & Ann had and their death dates if possible. Someone contacted me via Ancestry a few weeks ago, who suggested that George Married twice.
I know of only one son that they had:
John Todd - born 1817 - died 1897 (he moved to Middlesex where he became an builder and from what I gather rather rich). John being the 2x Great Grandfather of my brother in law.
I have also been led to Believe that George was also a builder and also moved to Middlesex.
I think the below is possibly George's birth:
Name:
George Todd
Birth Date:1782
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Todd
Mother:Isabella Todd
Baptism Date: 28 Jun 1782
Baptism Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
I have found a will for a George Todd esquire (from 1876 who drowned in the River Thames) from Handover Square (effects totally under £25,000. Not sure if this George Todd is the one I am looking for or a different man.
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I have found a will for a George Todd esquire (from 1876 who drowned in the River Thames) from Handover Square (effects totally under £25,000. Not sure if this George Todd is the one I am looking for or a different man.
This looks like the death of that George?
September qtr 1876
St Saviour Registration District vol 1d, page 6
Todd, George age 68
That puts his birth at c.1808?
I should point out that the 1871 census has 36 George Todds living in Middlesex!
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According to Johns Baptism George was a Mason.
(Source FreeREG)
They must have moved to Middlesex shortly after Johs Birth.
There is also this Christening on Familysearch.Org
ROBERT Todd 4 April 1819 St Marylebone, London, Parents GEORGE/ANN
1841 Census
Chelsea, Middlesex
George Todd, 45, Builder, NOT born in County
Phoebe Todd, 49
Mary Todd, 20
Eleanor Todd, 14
Phoebe Todd, 12
Henry Todd, 7
Thomas Todd, 5
Christenings from F/S.Org
MARY ANN Todd 15 Oct 1820, St Luke, Middlesex to GEORGE/ANN****
So Ann died between 1820-1826***
ELEANOR Todd 15 July 1827 St Luke to GEORGE/PHOEBE
PHOEBE TODD 19 April 1829 St Luke to GEORGE/PHOEBE
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Marriage;
George TODD to Phabe ROGERS, 13 Feb 1826, Parish:St James, Piccadilly
(Image is hard to read, does not state Widower, a Witness may be a Christopher Todd)
As George names a Son Christopher (1851 Census) then that may be a Brother for George
1851 we have;
George Todd, 54, born c 1797 St Andw Auckland, Durham
Phoebe Todd, 59
Eleanor Todd, 23
Phoebe Todd, 22
Christopher W Todd, 20
George Todd, 18
Henry Todd, 16
Frederick Benson, 5, Grandson
Hannah Alder, 20, Servant
George died 5 Sept 1872, address "Auckland" Wandsworth Common, Surrey.
Probate at Surrey 7 Nov mentions Sons JOHN Todd of The Limes Belmont Lee, Kent and THOMAS OSBORN Todd of 37 Park Road New Wandsworth, Surrey
Effects under 25,000 pounds
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I think this is the correct George Todd Probate.
1872. Effects …. under £30,000. George Todd. Late of the “Aucklands”, Wandsworth Common, Surrey, died … 5 Sep 1872, proved …. by John Todd of The Limes Belmont Lee in the County of Kent, gentleman, and Thomas Orborn Todd of 37 Park Road, New Wandsworth in the County of Surrey, gentleman, the sons, …..
The death on FreeBMD, Sep qtr 1872, Wandsworth, age 76.
A baptism at Auckland St Andrew, 12 June 1796, George Todd, son of Christopher and Eleanor Todd of Nutty Hagg.
Alan.
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Good work Allan, looks like that ties up nicely.
MARRIAGE;
25 July 1779, St Andrew, Auckland St Andrew
Christopher TODD to Eleanor HART
(FreeREG)
F/S.Org
BURIAL
Christopher Todd,
Age 70
birth: 1757
burial: 11 February 1827, Auckland-St.Andrew, Durham, England
residence: Mitty-Hass
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If of any help, John married Anna Maria Goulden in Westminster District in Jan-Mar 1841
Same areas as George on the previous posts.
1841 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQJS-CJM
1851 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXY-H5J
1861 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M72X-H7P
Anna Maria died Oct-Dec 1861 in Chelsea District
John married Mary Thompson in Kensington District Jul-Sep 1865
Mary in 1861 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M72K-4DQ
1871 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6Q-NTL
1881 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-764M
1891 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJT3-X2M
David
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The family from Nutty Hagg are in my line, I may be able to help.
Neil
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Hi
Thank you to everyone who helped and provided some information - really appreciated.
I will review it all over the next week (last few days at work for 3 week Christmas break)
I also only just noticed that John's baptism in 1817 says his mothers surname was Bennett not Beecroft (which is what is on the marriage).
From the 1861 census John is living at Stanley House Chelsea. From little I could gather yesterday the home was built by either John or his father George (depending on the Website).
Regards
Sandra
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Marriage;
George TODD to Phabe ROGERS, 13 Feb 1826, Parish:St James, Piccadilly
(Image is hard to read, does not state Widower, a Witness may be a Christopher Todd)
Hi - you mention an image is this on ancestry? If so, I will have a look otherwise, can you let me know where?
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I think this is the correct George Todd Probate.
1872. Effects …. under £30,000. George Todd. Late of the “Aucklands”, Wandsworth Common, Surrey, died … 5 Sep 1872, proved …. by John Todd of The Limes Belmont Lee in the County of Kent, gentleman, and Thomas Orborn Todd of 37 Park Road, New Wandsworth in the County of Surrey, gentleman, the sons, …..
Alan - thanks - I think this is the correct one also, as John is living at Lee (Holy Trinity) in 1871 (retired builder).
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Yes its on Anc in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
There are 2 entries but the one in England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 does not have a image.
Johns Baptism on FreeREG;
John TODD
Holy Trinity, Sunderland, Durham
Date Of Birth 16 Feb 1817
Baptism Date 16 Mar 1817
Father Forename GEORGE
Mother Forename ANN
Father Surname TODD
Mother Surname BEECROFT****
Abode Gray St
Fathers Occp Mason
Trish :)
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Christopher TODD and Eleanor HART
Husband: Christopher TODD (1757-1827) Bap 15th May 1757, Auckland St. Andrew, Durham, England
Wife: Eleanor HART (1752- )
Children: Elizabeth HART (1778-1853)
Robert TODD (1780-1837)
Christopher TODD (1782-1847)
Eleanor TODD (c. 1784-1848)
Mary TODD (1787- )
William TODD (1789- )
Ann TODD (1791- ) married Henry Crosby
Joseph TODD (1793-1797)
George TODD (1796-1872)
Marriage 25 Jul 1779 Auckland St Andrew, Durham, England
Husband: Christopher TODD
Name: Christopher TODD
Father: Robert TODD (1743-1802)
Mother: Mary Allison (1739-1791)
Birth 15 May 1757 Byers Green, Durham, England4
Baptism 15 May 1757 Auckland Saint Andrew, Durham, England3
Death 11 Feb 1827 (age 69) Nutty Hagg, Byers Green, Durham, England4
Burial 11 Feb 1827 Auckland-St. Andrew, Durham, England4
Wife: Eleanor HART
Name: Eleanor HART
Sex: Female
Father: William HART (1710- ) marriage 22 Sep 1747 Kirk Merrington, Durham, England. FHL film No 91097 &94097
Mother: Eliz. VINT (1715-1777)
Birth 25 May 1752 Kirk Merrington, Durham, England
Baptism 25 May 1752 (age 0) Kirk Merrington, Durham, England
Child 1: Elizabeth HART
Name: Elizabeth HART
Spouse: Stephen GREEN (1784-1860)
Birth May 1778 Byers Green, Durham, England
Baptism 24 May 1778 (age 0) St Andrew Church, Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 613314.0 Location: Whitworth Church: Whitworth Parish Church
Denomination: Anglican 24 May 1778 Elizabeth Hart of Byers Green, spurious daughter of Eleanor Hart
Death 9 Jul 1853 (age 75) Monkwearmouth, Durham, England
Child 2: Robert TODD
Name: Robert TODD
Sex: Male
Spouse: Isabella APEDALE (1783-1860)
Birth 7 Apr 1780 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Baptism 7 Apr 1780 (age 0) Auckland Saint Andrew, Durham, England
Death 29 Dec 1837 (age 57) Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Residence 1841 (age 60-61) St Andrew Auckland, Durham, England
Burial Durham, Durham Unitary Authority, County Durham, England
Child 3: Christopher TODD
Name: Christopher TODD
Spouse 1: Ann APEDALE (1780-1838)
Spouse 2: Dorothy TOULSON (c. 1796- )
Birth 4 Aug 1782 Nutty Hagg, Byers Green, Durham, England
Residence 1841 (age 58-59) St Andrew Auckland, Durham, England
Death 15 Mar 1847 (age 64) Auckland St. Andrews, Byers Green, Durham, England
Child 4: Eleanor TODD
Name: Eleanor TODD
Sex: Female
Spouse: Joseph MARLEY
Birth c. 1784 Nutty Hagg, Byers Green, Durham, England
Death Jan 1848 (age 63-64) Weardale, Durham, England
Child 5: Mary TODD
Name: Mary TODD
Birth Feb 1787 Nutty Hagg, Byers Green, Durham, England
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 613404.0 Location: Whitworth Church: Whitworth Parish Church
Denomination: Anglican 25 Feb 1787 Mary Todd of Nutty-hag, daughter of Christopher & Eleanor Todd
Child 6: William TODD
Birth May 1789 Nutty Hagg, Newfield, Byers Green, Durham England. Died 1859 NSW
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 613428.0 Location: Whitworth Church: Whitworth Parish Church
Denomination: Anglican 31 May 1789 William Todd of Nutty Hag, son of Christopher & Eleanor Todd
Child 7: Ann TODD
Birth Jan 1791 Nutty Hagg, Newfield, Durham, England
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 613448.0 Location: Whitworth Church: Whitworth Parish Church
Denomination: Anglican 27 Jan 1791 Ann Todd of Nutty-hag, daughter of Christopher & Eleanor Todd
Child 8: Joseph TODD
Name: Joseph TODD
Birth Jul 1793 Auckland St. Andrews, Nutty Hagg, Byers Green, Durham,
England
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 777216.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination:
Anglican 28 Jul 1793 Joseph Todd of Nutty Hagg, son of Christopher Todd
Baptism 28 Jul 1793 Auckland Saint Andrew, Durham, England
Death 16 Apr 1797 age 3 Auckland St. Andrews, Nutty Hagg, Byers Green, Durham,
England
Child 9: George TODD
George TODD
1st marriage: 2nd Dec 1815, Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham. Item 1 p129 Ann BEECROFT b.1791 d. 1825 burial 28th July, Chelsea, London Baptism date 30 Jan 1791.Place: Witton Gilbert, county Durham. Father Matthew Beecroft, mother Margaret. Children of George and Ann: John Todd b.1817 Sunderland, Durham d.1897, Mary Ann Todd 1820 Bap. 15 Oct 1820, FHL Film No 585471,585472. George Todd birth and Bap. 23rd July 1825 burial 4th Aug 9 days old buried with his mother.
2nd Marriage: Phoebe ROGERS (1792-c.Tooting London d. 1869 Wandsworth, Surrey
Marriage 13th January 1826.
Children: Eleanor, Phoebe, Christopher William, George sometimes referred to as George Jr. or the younger, Thomas Osborn, Henry.
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All
I was told by admin through private message that someone had complained I didn't reply. I haven't logged into here for quite sometime as I work 12 hrs a day the last few months and no time for doing any research let alone logging in heee. I only did so to change my email.
So thankyou all for the data (some of which I already had) and any help some of you have provided.
This post will now be marked as completed.
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I was searching the web for new information about George Todd and came across your RootsChat posting. Briefly, I have collected information over the years about Todd and his son Christopher William Todd who married my ancestor Charlotte Middleton. This information includes bankruptcies, his building entrprises in Chelsea & Battersea and then something on his descendants into the 20th centruy. My interest in George Todd arose from his friendship with my ancestor Henry Harland Middleton who owned a pub in Chelsea called the D'Oyley Arms. The question that I have been trying to answer is the origin of his middle name Harland. Now Harland is common name in the North East and I know that George Todd came from Bishops Auckland. So my wild guess is that these two gents Todd & Middleton may have known one another in County Durham. If you are interested in the details of the Todds in Chelsea, Battersea, Tooting and elsewhere then please let me know.
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Am probably replying to an ancient post but would be interested in any information on Charlotte Middleton who married my great great grandfather Christopher William Todd of the Nutty Hagg line of Todds from Byers Green Bishop Auckland.
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Hello Welbat and Ventabel, welcome to RootsChat.
Squinn was last online in 2017, although they have their notifications turned on here they appear not to be being received by squinn, normally I can access data with what the problem is but not today with this user ??? Old members do get in touch most days wanting to access their profile again, if they do log in they will see your messages.
Fingers crossed
Regards
Sarah
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Hallo ventabel,
I am too very interested in the Middleton's and of course Charlotte, C.W.Todd 1831- June 1892 his 1st wife , the possibility that his father George owned the land/building that Middleton rented as a Pub as he George owned a lot of land and applied for licenses for said pubs because he had built many of them himself . they were of course vestry men in Chelsea and Battersea. looking forward to your reply.
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Thanks for your reply to my 2017 post - I see that there was also another reply today from Welbat . I am busy at the moment but will get back to you shortly.
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In the 19c the Todds were south London builders, were quite prolific and colourful. Charlottes's nephew called himself Arthur Middleton Todd hence my interest.
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Having set the Todd hare running, I am not quite certain how to respond as I wouldn’t claim to be a Todd family expert
I put a post on Rootschat in 2017 asking if anyone out there knew of the business/family relationships between George Todd and Henry (aka Robert) Harland Middleton licensee of the D’Oyley Arms in Chelsea and how it is that the name Harland is unusually frequent in the area south of Durham e.g. Bishop Auckland.
The 1851 census tells us that Henry Harland Middleton was born in Devonport in 1801. Yet the name Harland is unusually frequent in the area south of Durham e.g. Bishop Auckland so the main Todd/Middleton insight that I am looking for is this:- Was there a much earlier Durham area relationship that led to the name Harland being introduced into our Middleton family?
As for Todd family history, I simply have a family tree, many notes and a folder full of web-sourced material that tell of their property interest, court cases etc. One interesting link is the story of the Vogue editor Dorothy Todd. http://eprints.keele.ac.uk/2340/1/CarrodPhD2015.pdf . We also bought a couple of Ralph Todd seascapes from a Cornish dealer in Newlyn school paintings.
The suggestion that George Todd owned the Freehold of the D’Oyley Arms in Chelsea with my relative Henry Middleton as Licensee and that they were Vestrymen seems plausible. The pub was used to local Inquests etc. Their close proximity and business relationship presumably brought Charlotte Middleton and Christopher William Todd together.
Later, Henry Harland Middleton describes himself as “Gent” and in my family we understand that he was prosperous but it isn’t clear where this wealth came from.
His death is mentioned in the 1851 Gentleman Magazine and his Will left his wife well provided. He and his wife Eliza are buried with other family in Brompton Cemetery.
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Ventabel
Thanks for all this I mainly know about the Todds. Dorothy was a half sister to Ralph Todd as her mother was Ruthella not Charlotte, CW married again. These two are the most interesting of the bunch and easy to research having a profile.
I am slowly investigating the Todds and have quite a mass of poorly collated information. I will go through this and see if there any references to the D'Oyley Arms but I have a memory of other pubs. Not sure if they were owned or on long leaseholds but probably good rents. I have no memory of any mention of Middleton or Harland, but will check. They appeared to be keen on keeping their roots with County Durham house names as well as retaining contacts.
I will revert.
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I have done some brief research.
The tree I have shows Charlotte's parents as Henry Robert Middleton and Hannah Plat with his parents as Thomas M and Anne unknown. Is their any more information on this line, where did they come from.
I need to get a copy of CWT's will which may reveal. The only pub reference I can find, relate to his father George's ownerships. These include the Builders Arms Russell Street Chelsea, and a Beer Shop in Masborough Street Hammersmith. But there are lots of other roads do you have a name?
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We believe, the following to be an accurate account:-
Hy (Henry) Harland Middleton born 1801 in Devonport m Eliza Frances Jones born 1799 in Bath (Sources Pallot Marriage Index, X102/072 - Index to Marriages St Marylebone -1826- 28, X023/056 – Register of Marriages St Marylebone – 1826 – 27, X23/078 – Register of Banns St Marylebone 1826 – 29
Two children from this marriage…..
Charlotte Middleton born 1834 Daughter of Henry Robert & Eliza Middleton (nee Jones) married Christopher William Todd at St.Lukes Chelsea 16th February1854 (note that Henry Harland has now assumed the name Robert in place of Harland (Sources 1851 Census IGI LMA - St Luke’s Chelsea Christening Records
George Harland Middleton born 1841 Son of Henry Robert & Eliza Middleton (nee Jones)
And later various Harland Middletons through the generations.
This is a pointer to Christopher William Todd’s Will – we do not have a copy.
Birmingham Daily Post (Birmingham, England), Friday, August 19, 1892; Issue 10659.
Wills & Bequests: Of Christopher William Todd, late of 105, Cromwell Road, Kensington and 8, Augusta Gardens, Folkestone : exceeding £33,000 – Illustrated London News.
As for the pubs, we understand that George Todd built the Builders Arms (still in business!) and probably other pubs
Builders Arms, 13 Britten Street, SW3 - March 2009 information below found on the web written by Stephen Harris
Studying a number of old Indentures concerning the Anchor Brewery, Britten Street, I can refine the given date of 1840 to 1841. From an Indenture dated 6th December 1841: Part of the leasehold land held by Henry Plumptre Gipps was sublet to the Chelsea Builder, George Todd (20/Apr/1841) ***
From an Indenture dated 3/Apr/1847: Reciting an Indenture dated 16/Dec/1841 “also all that then New Brick Messuage or Tenements thereon standing and then lately erected and built by the said George Todd and known as and called the Builders Arms (being part of the premises secondly thereinbefore described) were by an Indenture of Lease bearing date the sixth day of December One thousand eight hundred and forty one demised to the said George Todd” ***[/i][/i]
1843/George Todd/../../../Kellys Directory ****
In the 1843 directory, there is also a George Todd, builder living at 10 Marlborough Road, Chelsea
In the 1848 directory, there is also a George Todd, builder living at 10 Orford Place, Marlborough Road, Chelsea 1851/George Dobson/../../../Kellys Directory ****
Now here’s the interesting part…our ancestor Henry (Harland/Robert) Middleton was the Landlord of the D’Oyley Arms from 1834 - 1851. The D'Oyley Arms was situated at 34 Marlborough Road. This pub is long demolished. Marlborough Road has now been renamed Draycott Avenue..…these are the changes of street address for the D’Oyley Arms…. at 14 Orford Place, Marlborough Road in 1856; at 34 Draycott Avenue by 1934.
See above for George Todd’s various addresses caused by street name changes. Now, Henry Middleton/Robert Henry Middleton/Henry Harland Middleton lived at 11 Orford Place (1839 – 1846) and 14, Orford Place (1851). We can probably guess that George Todd’s family and the Middletons lived next door to each other. Not improbably, Charlotte Middleton & Christopher William Todd were next door neighbours and their fathers had some sort of business relationship. This led to the marriage of the couple on the 16th February 1854 at St Luke’s Chelsea. She died 18th September 1877.
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Very interesting and very detailed research. Puts mine to shame, roll on retirement! Certainly there was Todd property in Marlborough Road and it is logical the Middleton's were neighbours. I did not know there was also a property in Folkestone.
I assume the Middleton's were a Devonian family and like others moved to London to take their chances.
Many thanks.