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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: MattD30 on Tuesday 13 December 16 00:17 GMT (UK)
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Is anyone able to check [or double check] some entries in the parish registers of these two parishes? I am looking to check some details relating to the names Batcheller/Batchellor, Longley/Langley, and Baldwin/Baldwyn.
If anyone can help please let me know and I'll send more details.
Matt
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Hi Matt could you please say whether you needs births, deaths or marriages and some idea of dates would be useful :) You need to help us to enable us to help you ;)
suey
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Hi Matt could you please say whether you needs births, deaths or marriages and some idea of dates would be useful :) You need to help us to enable us to help you ;)
suey
Hi
Yes sorry about that. I'm looking mainly for christenings and possibly a couple of burials. I've found a couple of entries online on Ancestry and Familysearch for some of the people I'm looking at, but both of these give two sets of dates for the same people, usually differing by a few days. I will post the details tomorrow.
Matt
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I've just checked and both parishes baptism records are available on the SFHG site, if you don't have access to that then post the details you want checking and I can do that for you.
The periods covered are: Ifield 1568-1901 Worth 1558-1900
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I've just checked and both parishes baptism records are available on the SFHG site, if you don't have access to that then post the details you want checking and I can do that for you.
The periods covered are: Ifield 1568-1901 Worth 1558-1900
Many thanks for that. I currently don't have access to the website as I'm not a member of the SFHG at the moment. I am trying to find the baptisms for the following people:
Angell All c1570-1580 (she married John Bacheller in 1598/99)
Susan or Susanna Longley (or Langley) c1560-1570 (she married Sydrach Baldwin in 1586).
James Baldwin c1540
I am also trying to find the marriage of James Baldwin and Alice pre1540
The above are all in Ifield. I would also be interested to know of any Baldwin burials in the parish between 1560-1670.
I'll post details of the other people I'm looking for tomorrow.
Hope you can help.
Matt
Thanks
Matt
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Hi Matt,
Bear with me and I'll have a look asap - something called Christmas keeps getting in the way of research! ;)
I'll post what I find as I go along.
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Hi Matt.
Angel All:
Anne Aley bap 19 Jan 1568/9 d/o William
Angel Aley bap 02 Aug 1579 ditto - no burial record at Ifield
Angell Aley bap 09 Sep 1582 ditto
Susan Aley bap 28 Feb 1582/3 ditto NB last day of Feb so may be a year out
Richard Aley bap 15 Aug 1585 s/o William
Susan/Susannah Longley/Langley:
No records of any Longleys
Only Langley - Doryty bap 19 Sep 1568 d/o Henry
James Baldwin c1540 - too early for records which start at 1568
James Baldwin mar Alice pre 1540:
Only marriage on SFHG Marriage Index - James Baldwine to Agnes Langley 18 Nov 1583 Ifield
Baldwin/Baldwine burials 1560-1670:
Baldwin - Susan 17 Apr 1632 widow next 1748
Baldwine -
Alice 26 Mar1582 wife of James
Anne 14 Jul 1615 widow
Anne 06 Jul 1615 dau Sydrack
Elizabeth 09 Jul 1615 dau Sydrack
Sussanah 19 Nov 1631
No more to 1893
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Hi Matt,
Bear with me and I'll have a look asap - something called Christmas keeps getting in the way of research! ;)
I'll post what I find as I go along.
Hi there
No problems, and thank you. Christmas and work are keeping me from research and other things too. There's no immediate rush for this information though.
Many thanks again for your help. I'll post the details of the other people I'm looking for v soon.
Matt
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Hi Matt.
Angel All:
Anne Aley bap 19 Jan 1568/9 d/o William
Angel Aley bap 02 Aug 1579 ditto - no burial record at Ifield
Angell Aley bap 09 Sep 1582 ditto
Susan Aley bap 28 Feb 1582/3 ditto NB last day of Feb so may be a year out
Richard Aley bap 15 Aug 1585 s/o William
Susan/Susannah Longley/Langley:
No records of any Longleys
Only Langley - Doryty bap 19 Sep 1568 d/o Henry
James Baldwin c1540 - too early for records which start at 1568
James Baldwin mar Alice pre 1540:
Only marriage on SFHG Marriage Index - James Baldwine to Agnes Langley 18 Nov 1583 Ifield
Baldwin/Baldwine burials 1560-1670:
Baldwin - Susan 17 Apr 1632 widow next 1748
Baldwine -
Alice 26 Mar1582 wife of James
Anne 14 Jul 1615 widow
Anne 06 Jul 1615 dau Sydrack
Elizabeth 09 Jul 1615 dau Sydrack
Sussanah 19 Nov 1631
No more to 1893
Hi
Thanks for these, they all look very useful. I'm slightly interested by the name Angel, where does that come from? Do you think all those children you listed were siblings? If so is there any record of a marriage for their father or any burials?
The marriage of James Baldwine and Agnes Langley in 1583 does intrigue me. I had already found a reference to this on Ancestry and according to the record James was a widower and Agnes a widow. Sydrack[e]/Sidrack[e] Baldwin and Susan Longley/Langley were married three years later in 1586 and I wonder if Susan was a sister of Agnes' first husband. I will have to check my tree. By the 1630s the Baldwins were in Worth and I have Susan's burial plus the christening dates for some of her children. I'll post the bits I don't have tomorrow.
Matt
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Aley baptisms - all children of a William and time scale Ok so I'd say all siblings.
Possible burial for William Aley - 05 Apr 1603
Also Marget (presumably Margaret) Aley, widow of William 11 Jan 1615
Spotted these Baldwine baptisms at Ifield:
Rafe 21 May 1570 s/o James
Elizabeth 02 Nov 1572 d/o James
John 25 Sep 1574 s/o James
John 10 Feb 1580/81 s/o Jeames
Joane 25 Mar 1582 d/o Jeames
Not sure what the spelling of the father's name on the last two is meant to be. I checked for a burial of the first John in case the same father but none in the relevant time period. Never come across Jeames before. :-\
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Aley baptisms - all children of a William and time scale Ok so I'd say all siblings.
Possible burial for William Aley - 05 Apr 1603
Also Marget (presumably Margaret) Aley, widow of William 11 Jan 1615
Spotted these Baldwine baptisms at Ifield:
Rafe 21 May 1570 s/o James
Elizabeth 02 Nov 1572 d/o James
John 25 Sep 1574 s/o James
John 10 Feb 1580/81 s/o Jeames
Joane 25 Mar 1582 d/o Jeames
Not sure what the spelling of the father's name on the last two is meant to be. I checked for a burial of the first John in case the same father but none in the relevant time period. Never come across Jeames before. :-\
Thanks for those. I will check the dates tomorrow but I think these do relate to my people.
I have seen Jeames before as a variation of James, I've also seen it spelt Jamese, and Jammes once, also Jeams on one occasion. All of these seem to be variations of James.
Matt
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I can't find any burial for John Baldwine to explain the use of John again on 10 Feb 1580/1.
I did find a burial for Alice Baldwine, wife of James Baldwine on 26 Mar 1582 at Ifield. Seeing that this was one day after Joane's baptism it's probably safe to assume Alice died of post natal complications and would explain James' marriage to Agnes as detailed above - he needed a wife for his young family.
I'm not sure why there's a six year gap between John's baptism on 25 Sep 1584 and John's on 10 Feb 1580/1 - maybe they were living elsewhere, nothing at Worth but lots of other parishes in that area.
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I can't find any burial for John Baldwine to explain the use of John again on 10 Feb 1580/1.
I did find a burial for Alice Baldwine, wife of James Baldwine on 26 Mar 1582 at Ifield. Seeing that this was one day after Joane's baptism it's probably safe to assume Alice died of post natal complications and would explain James' marriage to Agnes as detailed above - he needed a wife for his young family.
I'm not sure why there's a six year gap between John's baptism on 25 Sep 1584 and John's on 10 Feb 1580/1 - maybe they were living elsewhere, nothing at Worth but lots of other parishes in that area.
Hi there
Thanks for those details. I think you could be right about the marriage between James Baldwin[e] and Agnes being a second marriage following the death of Alice. What puzzles me though is the fact that Agnes had the same surname as James' daughter in law Susan, namely Longley/Langley. Agnes was a widow when she married James (whose son Sydrach married Susan Longley) so I am wondering if her first husband could have been related to Susan.
I don't have any reference to a John Baldwin born in Feb 1580/1 or in Sept 1584. I have a John Baldwin born in Oct 1580 [to James and Alice] and after that the next one I have in my records is John Baldwin born c1627 to Sydrach and Margaret. Can you give me any more details on those two records?
Can I ask you to check for the following?
Christenings:
Rafe/Ralph Baldwin [son of James and Alice] c1570 in Ifield. I'd say he was born between 1568 and 1572 though.
I know that Sydrach Baldwin and Margarett Bacheller were married in Worth in April 1630 however I don't know when their first three children were born. These were Anne, Frances and John who was born c1627 and died in 1726.
I am also interested in finding the marriage of Anne Baldwin and John Blake which must have taken place pre 1659 as she is referred to as 'the wife of John Blake' in her father's will. I'd also like to know if there are any burial records for the following post 1659:
Anne Blake [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of John Blake
Frances Brasted [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of Henry Brasted (married 1653)
If you have any suggestions please let me know.
In the meantime, thanks for your ideas and help and have a good Christmas.
Best Wishes
Matt
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Hi Matt,
I've added comments in red to you post, could you let me know the answers to the questions.
I'll probably be able to do this later today or tomorrow as we've all got this flu like cold so incommunicado to other relatives - no distractions from research!
Artifis
Thanks for those details. I think you could be right about the marriage between James Baldwin[e] and Agnes being a second marriage following the death of Alice. What puzzles me though is the fact that Agnes had the same surname as James' daughter in law Susan, namely Longley/Langley. Agnes was a widow when she married James (whose son Sydrach married Susan Longley) so I am wondering if her first husband could have been related to Susan. I'll see if I can find out who Agnes married and if I can find that see if I can link him to Susan.
I don't have any reference to a John Baldwin born in Feb 1580/1 or in Sept 1584. I have a John Baldwin born in Oct 1580 [to James and Alice] and after that the next one I have in my records is John Baldwin born c1627 to Sydrach and Margaret. Can you give me any more details on those two records? I'll see what I can find, presumably at Ifield?
Can I ask you to check for the following?
Christenings:
Rafe/Ralph Baldwin [son of James and Alice] c1570 in Ifield. I'd say he was born between 1568 and 1572 though.
I know that Sydrach Baldwin and Margarett Bacheller were married in Worth in April 1630 however I don't know when their first three children were born. These were Anne, Frances and John who was born c1627 and died in 1726. I'll see what I can find.
I am also interested in finding the marriage of Anne Baldwin and John Blake which must have taken place pre 1659 as she is referred to as 'the wife of John Blake' in her father's will. I'd also like to know if there are any burial records for the following post 1659: Is this at Ifield or Worth?
Anne Blake [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of John Blake
Frances Brasted [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of Henry Brasted (married 1653) Again, Ifield or Worth?
If you have any suggestions please let me know.
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Hi Matt,
I've added comments in red to you post, could you let me know the answers to the questions.
I'll probably be able to do this later today or tomorrow as we've all got this flu like cold so incommunicado to other relatives - no distractions from research!
Artifis
Thanks for those details. I think you could be right about the marriage between James Baldwin[e] and Agnes being a second marriage following the death of Alice. What puzzles me though is the fact that Agnes had the same surname as James' daughter in law Susan, namely Longley/Langley. Agnes was a widow when she married James (whose son Sydrach married Susan Longley) so I am wondering if her first husband could have been related to Susan. I'll see if I can find out who Agnes married and if I can find that see if I can link him to Susan.
I don't have any reference to a John Baldwin born in Feb 1580/1 or in Sept 1584. I have a John Baldwin born in Oct 1580 [to James and Alice] and after that the next one I have in my records is John Baldwin born c1627 to Sydrach and Margaret. Can you give me any more details on those two records? I'll see what I can find, presumably at Ifield?
Can I ask you to check for the following?
Christenings:
Rafe/Ralph Baldwin [son of James and Alice] c1570 in Ifield. I'd say he was born between 1568 and 1572 though.
I know that Sydrach Baldwin and Margarett Bacheller were married in Worth in April 1630 however I don't know when their first three children were born. These were Anne, Frances and John who was born c1627 and died in 1726. I'll see what I can find.
I am also interested in finding the marriage of Anne Baldwin and John Blake which must have taken place pre 1659 as she is referred to as 'the wife of John Blake' in her father's will. I'd also like to know if there are any burial records for the following post 1659: Is this at Ifield or Worth?
Anne Blake [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of John Blake
Frances Brasted [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of Henry Brasted (married 1653) Again, Ifield or Worth?
If you have any suggestions please let me know.
Hi there
Thanks for that. Here are the answers to your questions:
Sydrach Baldwin who left a will in 1659 lived and died in Worth. I know that his daughter Frances married Henry Brasted in Worth in 1653 so Anne may have been married there too. What puzzles me is why her brother John [who married Katherine Castle] was married in Croydon.
I've just found some more details about the Baldwins in Ifield so I'll update you again soon.
Matt
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Anne Blake wife of John, buried at Worth 25 May 1672.
Nell
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Anne Blake wife of John, buried at Worth 25 May 1672.
Nell
Hi Nell
Many thanks for that info.
Matt
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I've recently uncovered some more information on the Baldwin/Baldwine family.
Firstly I've found out when Rate Baldwin (son of James and Alice) was christened - 21 May 1570. I've also discovered that he had a sister named Elizabeth (christened 2 November 1572) and two brothers named John (one christened 23 September 1574, and one christened 10 October 1580 - leading me to suspect the first one died).
I also now have (what I think is) a full list of all the children of Sydrach Baldwin and Susan Longley. These are:
Doryty c1598
Elder - christened 9 March 1598/9 (female)
Agnes - christened 1 August 1602
James - christened 26 May 1604
Sydrach - christened 1 February 1604/5 (there also appears to be a Sydrach born in 1609)
Elizabeth - christened 3 April 1608, buried 9 July 1615
Susan - christened 26 August 1610
Anne - christened July 1615, and buried 6 July 1615.
I also have some info on the children of Sydrach Baldwin and Margaret Bacheller. I now know that their daughter Frances was born in Ifield in December 1633 (christened 15 December 1615) and married Henry Brasted in 1653. I've also found that Sydrach and Margaret had a son named Sydrach who was born in Worth in 1631. Their youngest daughter Joan seems to have been born in East Grinstead so I wonder if Anne Baldwin was born there too. I know that Sydrach and Margaret were married in 1630 which appears to be 3 years after the birth of John Baldwin. I suspect John was the eldest child, followed by Sydrach (1631), Frances (1633), Joan (1636) and then Anne.
Matt
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Hi Matt,
I’ve had a look at different records and found the following – findings in red – hope it’s of some help.
Thanks for those details. I think you could be right about the marriage between James Baldwin[e] and Agnes being a second marriage following the death of Alice. What puzzles me though is the fact that Agnes had the same surname as James' daughter in law Susan, namely Longley/Langley. Agnes was a widow when she married James (whose son Sydrach married Susan Longley) so I am wondering if her first husband could have been related to Susan.
A Bartholomew Langley married an Agnes Marshall at Balcomb on 10 Jan 1552/3. I couldn’t find a burial for Bartholomew at Balcomb, Ifield or Worth so it’s uncertain if this is the Agnes that James Baldwin married. I guess it would mean trawling through all the burial records in all the parishes in the area in the hope of finding Bartholomew’s burial to see if that preceded Agnes Langley marrying James. There were no other Agnes’ marrying a Langley/Longley or any other spelling in the relevant period.
I don't have any reference to a John Baldwin born in Feb 1580/1 or in Sept 1584. <- not at Ifield I have a John Baldwin born in Oct 1580 [to James and Alice] see above for John bap 10 Feb 1580/81 s/o Jeames at Ifield, no other for that year there and after that the next one I have in my records is John Baldwin born c1627 to Sydrach and Margaret. Nothing at Ifield or Worth Can you give me any more details on those two records. There are these two baptisms at Worth:
Sydrach Baldwine s/o Sydrack 10 Apr 1631
Frances Baldwine d/o Sydrack 15 Dec 1633
Can I ask you to check for the following?
Christenings:
Rafe/Ralph Baldwin [son of James and Alice] c1570 in Ifield. I'd say he was born between 1568 and 1572 though. Rafe bap 21 May 1570 at Ifiled s/o James Baldwine.
There are also these presumably sibling baptisms:
Elizabeth 02 Nov 1572 d/o James Baldwine
John 25 Sep 1574 s/o James Baldwine.
I know that Sydrach Baldwin and Margarett Bacheller were married in Worth in April 1630 however I don't know when their first three children were born. These were Anne, Frances and John who was born c1627 and died in 1726. I didn’t spot any others than those listed above at Worth.
I am also interested in finding the marriage of Anne Baldwin and John Blake which must have taken place pre 1659 as she is referred to as 'the wife of John Blake' in her father's will. Nothing on the SFHG Sussex Marriage Index, did they marry outside of Sussex? I'd also like to know if there are any burial records for the following post 1659:
Anne Blake [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of John Blake As Nell found at Worth – Anne w/o John 25 May 1672 – doesn’t indicate if w/o stands for wife of widow of which is frustrating!
There is also this burial at Worth, their child? Ann d/o John & Ann died 08/09/1660, no burial date which is strange. (I have heard of very young children being listed in such a manner where they died before they could be baptised and were therefore not buried in consecrated ground which I think is particularly upsetting and totally unchristian of the priest!)
I also came across two possibly burials for John:
14 Jun 1679 or 10 Mar 1687 but no indication if they were widowers or what their ages were.
Frances Brasted [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of Henry Brasted (married 1653) Nothing at Ifield or Worth.
As you have a lot of people to research it might be worth you joining SFHG – it’s only £15 for the year so very economical – and that way you might come across other people in your ancestry that you’d recognise as you trawl through records. It would also allow you to search neighbouring parishes for the odd missing ancestor.
I’ve found quite a few ‘missing’ ancestors in this way, it’s surprising who turns up when you search like this, Sussex is brilliant because of the SFHG access. I don’t mind looking up what you’ve queried but of course I won’t know who else might be in the records that relate to your researches. Trying to locate ancestors in Oxfordshire I ended up buying nearly half of their parish records cds and did eventually find all but one ancestor but also siblings that I didn’t know about came to light – an expensive exercise though compared to Sussex!
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Hi Matt,
I’ve had a look at different records and found the following – findings in red – hope it’s of some help.
Thanks for those details. I think you could be right about the marriage between James Baldwin[e] and Agnes being a second marriage following the death of Alice. What puzzles me though is the fact that Agnes had the same surname as James' daughter in law Susan, namely Longley/Langley. Agnes was a widow when she married James (whose son Sydrach married Susan Longley) so I am wondering if her first husband could have been related to Susan.
A Bartholomew Langley married an Agnes Marshall at Balcomb on 10 Jan 1552/3. I couldn’t find a burial for Bartholomew at Balcomb, Ifield or Worth so it’s uncertain if this is the Agnes that James Baldwin married. I guess it would mean trawling through all the burial records in all the parishes in the area in the hope of finding Bartholomew’s burial to see if that preceded Agnes Langley marrying James. There were no other Agnes’ marrying a Langley/Longley or any other spelling in the relevant period.
I don't have any reference to a John Baldwin born in Feb 1580/1 or in Sept 1584. <- not at Ifield I have a John Baldwin born in Oct 1580 [to James and Alice] see above for John bap 10 Feb 1580/81 s/o Jeames at Ifield, no other for that year there and after that the next one I have in my records is John Baldwin born c1627 to Sydrach and Margaret. Nothing at Ifield or Worth Can you give me any more details on those two records. There are these two baptisms at Worth:
Sydrach Baldwine s/o Sydrack 10 Apr 1631
Frances Baldwine d/o Sydrack 15 Dec 1633
Can I ask you to check for the following?
Christenings:
Rafe/Ralph Baldwin [son of James and Alice] c1570 in Ifield. I'd say he was born between 1568 and 1572 though. Rafe bap 21 May 1570 at Ifiled s/o James Baldwine.
There are also these presumably sibling baptisms:
Elizabeth 02 Nov 1572 d/o James Baldwine
John 25 Sep 1574 s/o James Baldwine.
I know that Sydrach Baldwin and Margarett Bacheller were married in Worth in April 1630 however I don't know when their first three children were born. These were Anne, Frances and John who was born c1627 and died in 1726. I didn’t spot any others than those listed above at Worth.
I am also interested in finding the marriage of Anne Baldwin and John Blake which must have taken place pre 1659 as she is referred to as 'the wife of John Blake' in her father's will. Nothing on the SFHG Sussex Marriage Index, did they marry outside of Sussex? I'd also like to know if there are any burial records for the following post 1659:
Anne Blake [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of John Blake As Nell found at Worth – Anne w/o John 25 May 1672 – doesn’t indicate if w/o stands for wife of widow of which is frustrating!
There is also this burial at Worth, their child? Ann d/o John & Ann died 08/09/1660, no burial date which is strange. (I have heard of very young children being listed in such a manner where they died before they could be baptised and were therefore not buried in consecrated ground which I think is particularly upsetting and totally unchristian of the priest!)
I also came across two possibly burials for John:
14 Jun 1679 or 10 Mar 1687 but no indication if they were widowers or what their ages were.
Frances Brasted [nee Baldwin] wife/widow of Henry Brasted (married 1653) Nothing at Ifield or Worth.
As you have a lot of people to research it might be worth you joining SFHG – it’s only £15 for the year so very economical – and that way you might come across other people in your ancestry that you’d recognise as you trawl through records. It would also allow you to search neighbouring parishes for the odd missing ancestor.
I’ve found quite a few ‘missing’ ancestors in this way, it’s surprising who turns up when you search like this, Sussex is brilliant because of the SFHG access. I don’t mind looking up what you’ve queried but of course I won’t know who else might be in the records that relate to your researches. Trying to locate ancestors in Oxfordshire I ended up buying nearly half of their parish records cds and did eventually find all but one ancestor but also siblings that I didn’t know about came to light – an expensive exercise though compared to Sussex!
Hi
Wow you've been busy. Many thanks for those pieces of information. I'll go through them and let you know if anything is useful.
Matt