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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: palmerfamily on Wednesday 14 December 16 14:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi I'm just wondering if anyone can help me... I'm trying to trace my great-grandfathers line..
all I know:
Joseph Harold stokes 1898 - 1983 Bedwellty, Tredegar,Monmouthshire
wife: Alice Stokes 1906 - 1997
this is about all the facts I know. My grandfather told us he [joseph] was a travelling showman until he married Alice [she wasn't a traveller]
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Hi Welcome to Rootschat!
1901 UK Census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSM8-N8T
Name: Joseph H Stokes
Age in 1901: 2
Father: John Stokes
Mother: Isabella Stokes
Where born: Iredyan, Monmouthshire, Wales
You can also find them in the 1911 census.
Civil Marriage Records
Name: Joseph H Stokes
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1924
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Spouse: Alice Simmonds
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1068
You are not allowed to list names and details of living people on here so would suggest removing the name for the son given above but If you do a search on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ you will also find that they had a possible 9 children including the one you gave. You would need to confirm all of them are correct but is likely with it matching father and mothers surname and location.
If you search on there for Types: Births, Surname: Stokes, Spouse/Mother surname: Simmonds and District: Bedwellty and they shall appear :)
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thank you.. :D
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I can see on the 1901 census that John's mum [Ellen Stokes] is living with the family.. would you have any suggestions to find John's dad.?
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Hi,
Possible 1871 -
Winter Stokes 70 Peddler
Ellen Stokes wife 36
John Stokes son 14
France Stokes son 13
Joseph Stokes son 10
Richard Stokes son 5
Sophia Lathan serv 30
RG10 Piece 5336 Folio 72 Page 15, Monmouthshire
In the Where Born column the numerator has recorded 'Could not find out'
Occupation - A gipsy party sleeping in three tents only one stupid girl there.
JJ
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thank you ;D
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John Stokes was born in 1871 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
mother Ellen Stokes born 1834 Setctley, Gloucestershire
???
:)
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Whilst the mothers age fits ok there the son does - John. Its possible that this one is just a coincidence unless they called 2 sons John.
There is a 1871 birth of John in Bedwelty as per below even though in the 1901 census it states Tydu, Monmouthshire as the birth place.
Name John Stokes
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1871
Registration District Bedwellty
County Monmouthshire
Event Place Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, England
Volume 11A
Page 109
Line Number 250
STOKES, JOHN REEVES Order
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 109
Reeves being John Stokes mothers maiden name.
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To ensure that you are on the correct line for John's father it would be advisable to purchase John's marriage cert, which hopefully will show his father's details.
Quite often if a child died then his/her name would be used again within the family.
JJ
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There is a 1871 birth of John in Bedwelty as per below even though in the 1901 census it states Tydu, Monmouthshire as the birth place.
Name John Stokes
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1871
Registration District Bedwellty
County Monmouthshire
Event Place Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, England
Volume 11A
Page 109
Line Number 250
STOKES, JOHN REEVES Order
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 109
Reeves being John Stokes mothers maiden name.
1881 for the above John -
James Stokes Head 36 Coal Miner Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Letitia Stokes Wife 35 Holyhead, Anglesey
John Stokes Son 10 Tredegar, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Stokes Dau 8 Tredegar, Monmouthshire
Samuel Stokes Son 6 Tredegar, Monmouthshire
Mary Stokes Dau 2 Tredegar, Monmouthshire,
George Stokes Son 0 Tredegar, Monmouthshire
Isaac Reeves Uncle 56 Coal Miner Argoed, Monmouthshire
RG11Piece 5242 Folio 76 Page 28
James Stokes married q2 1871, Bedwelty on the same page is Letitia Reeves.
JJ
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Looking at various records it would appear that John changes his birth year on numerous occasions -
1856, 1871 and 1862.
There is a birth of a John Stokes q1 1862, Newport Vol 11a Page 179 mother's maiden name - Kinch
There are also these births with MMN Kinch
Richard Stokes q1 1860, Newport Vol 11a Page 201
Fiance Stokes q1 1868, Newport Vol Page 11a Page 212
The names John, Richard, Fiance/France tie in with the 1871 previously posted, however the ages again are wrong.
JJ
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This marriage is worth looking at -
Helen Kinch
3 Mar 1856, St John, Cinderford, Forest of Dean, Glos.
Age - 25
Spouse - Winter Flood Pateman, Basket Maker
Age - 20
Father - Richard Kinch, Hawker
No father recorded for Winter Flood Pateman
Wits - Sophia and Charles Barnard
JJ
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thank you mike Reeves does sound about right .. :)
and JJ your right the names are repetitive.. certificates are on order I'm just so inpatient thank you :)
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Would be interested to know the outcome from the certificates please. It's rather an interesting family you have to research.
JJ
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I will keep you updated I'm total torn because Kinch is also sounding familiar... though I'm guessing they married with in the same families...
I know John Stokes was born around 1871
died around 1902
married Isabella Cummings around 1891
children: Maud, Albert, George, Joseph H, Agnes
Ellen Stokes listed as his mother on the 1901 census., but I'm thinking this may well of been another family member..
If granddads tales are true my ancestor's are some colourful people :D
Thank you for you assistance
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We also have connections to Kent
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I will keep you updated I'm total torn because Kinch is also sounding familiar... though I'm guessing they married with in the same families...
I know John Stokes was born around 1871
died around 1902
married Isabella Cummings around 1891
children: Maud, Albert, George, Joseph H, Agnes
Thank you.
Just to confuse you even more :) I believe that this is John's death record as he is still around in 1911 -
John Stokes
Birth Date - abt 1863
Date of Registration - Mar 1944
Age at Death - 81
Registration district - Bedwellty
Vol 11a Page 99
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I will keep you updated I'm total torn because Kinch is also sounding familiar... though I'm guessing they married with in the same families...
I know John Stokes was born around 1871
died around 1902
married Isabella Cummings around 1891
children: Maud, Albert, George, Joseph H, Agnes
Thank you.
Just to confuse you even more :) I believe that this is John's death record as he is still around in 1911 -
John Stokes
Birth Date - abt 1863
Date of Registration - Mar 1944
Age at Death - 81
Registration district - Bedwellty
Vol 11a Page 99
That would make more sense... My Grandad have told me stories for his memories and he wasn't born until 1924... I don't know what happened in 1902 :D
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so.... Winter Flood IS my 3rd time great grandfather.. and his parents were John and Charlotte Stokes... I can't thank you enough for your assistance ;D ;D ;D