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Hello ---just joined to-day so please go easy on me :) :)
Maybe someone could help -i have Peter Wright born 1900 lancashire,Joseph brother,Lilly sister, any information on this family would be appreciated very much -they did reside in Widnes which was formally Lancashire but is now Cheshire,also their parents,g/parents anything.
did they always live in Widnes--hope anyone can oblige many thanks Billybobb
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Would this be the Wright family on the 1901? -
Joseph J Wright 25 b. Weston, Cheshire
Margaret Wright 25 b. St Helens, Lancashire
Joseph Wright 2 b. Widnes, Lancashire
Peter Wright 11/12 b. Widnes, Lancashire
RG13 Piece 3515 Folio 117 Page 46, 54 Irwell Street, Widnes
What year was Lilly born?
JJ
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A warm welcome to Rootschat!
Could this be them in 1901?
54 Irwell Street, Widnes
Joseph J wright 25 born Cheshire, Weston Dock Labourer
Margaret Wright 25 born St Helens
Joseph Wright 2born Widnes
Peter Wright 11months born Widnes
RG/13/3515/117/46
Heather
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there is this family
1901 census
54 Irwell St Widnes
Joseph J Wright head M 25 Dock labourer Weston Cheshire
Margaret wife 25 St Helens Lancs
Joseph son 2 Widnes
Peter son 11mths Widnes
RG13 3515 117 46 267
do you know when Lilly was born?
Who does Peter give as his father on marriage?
any other information??
Suz
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Many thanks this looks like the "wright"family Suz i dont have Lillys birth date but Peter born 1900 married Jane Jennion round about 1932 any more help would be very appreciated,once again many thanks j jen heather and suz ;) ;)
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Joseph John and Peter have mmn Gallagher
Here are some more children born to that combination in Prescot (the region covering Widnes)
WRIGHT, MARY GALLAGHER
Q2 1903 Volume 08B Page 734
WRIGHT, JOHN GALLAGHER
Q3 1904 Volume 08B Page 754
WRIGHT, MARGARET GALLAGHER
Q3 1905 Volume 08B Page 767
WRIGHT, VERONICA GALLAGHER
q3 1908 Volume 08B Page 739
I can find no more in that region after that, but they could have moved. Looks like the marriage itself was in Bolton
Marriages Q1 1898 Bolton vol 8c p577
Doodson Joseph
Gallagher Margaret <<<
Tyldsley Harriet
Wright Joseph John <<<
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Many thanks Maabel for your response -are they related to Joseph,Peter,and Lilly if so which way??
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I am guessing siblings,as they have the same mother's maiden name. However the family is proving hard to find in later years to link them together. can;t find a Lilly as yet, but that's not to say it was a name used in the family rather than on an official registration document
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Many thanks Mabel--good girl.
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I can see a widowed Margaret Wright in 1911 lodging with Mary Gallagher aged 71 (her mother?) in Margaret Street, Widnes head of household Henry Pountain.
Unfortunately none of the children are with her.
There's a Peter Wright aged 10 recorded in St. Vincent's Poor Law School, Fulwood, Preston. On the same page is a Joseph Wright, but his age is recorded as 9, so maybe it's only a coincidence.
Bev
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If we have the correct family in 1901, this could be Peter's father
Joseph John Wright
Christening Date: 1878
Christening Place: WESTON
Birthplace: Weston
Father's Name: John Wright
Mother's Name: Margaret Wright
Heather
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1891
31 Wight Street?, Widnes
Margaret Wright 39Widow born Douglas, Isle of Man
Amelia Wright 10 born Runcorn
Martha Wright 8 born Runcorn
Emily Wright 6 born Runcorn
Robert Wright 13 born Widnes
Joseph Wright 15 born Weston Dock worker
RG/12/3011/26/45
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1881
Prichards Row, Weston
John Wright 42 born Ireland Chemical Labourer
Margaret Wright 28
Eliza J. Wright 14
Mary Wright 13
William Wright 8
Joseph Wright 6
Margaret Wright 4
Emily Wright 9 months
RG/11/3517/96/29
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1871
Windle
John Wright Head 34 born Ireland Labourer
Mary J Wright Wife 24 born Ireland
Eliza J Wright Daughter 4 born St Helens
Mary Wright Daughter 12 born St Helens
RG/10/3862/157/30
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Billybobb -
How do you know that they had a sister called Lilly?
I can see a couple of Lily/Lilian/Lilly Wrights born about the right time, but none of them has the right MMN.
Bev
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Many Many thanks for your valuable time and information which is very much appreciated.
Bev--my cousin who is Peter Wrights son informed me that Lilly was the sister of Peter and Joseph Wright i must find out who Lilly married then. many thanks again Billybobb :)
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There's a Joseph Wright b c1898 a visitor in St Helens in 1911
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I am new to root chat and am looking for members of the Wright family. I have Peter and Joseph in my tree and also John Wright born 1838 Ireland died 1890 Widnes. I have the father of Peter and Joseph as Joseph John Wright, born Runcorn 1875 and would love more information on him if anyone can help
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Hi billyboob and welcome to rootschat from me also. Going by all that has been posted so far and if correct which does seem very likely I have gone backwards with timelines as well.
John Wright born c1837-9 Ireland. He marries possibly/probably in Ireland to Mary Jane Mitchell born c 1848. Cannot find a UK marriage.
They appear in 1871 with 2 children.
1. Eliza Jane born jq 1867 Prescot mother's maiden name "Mitchell"
2. Mary born dq 1868 Prescot mother's maiden name "Mitchell"
Mary Jane Wright dies aged 23 in jq 1871 Prescot.
John Wright re-marries Margaret Hunter details below
1st January 1872 Parish Church, St Helen's Prescot.
John of full age, occupation Furnaceman, a widower abode St Helen's. His father shown as William Wright occupation Farmer.
Margaret Hunter aged 19, spinster, abode St Helen's, father shown as Robert Hunter occ plasterer.
John signed the register, Margaret signed with an X
Witnesses were Joseph Wright and Mary ****
Children below all born with mother's maiden name Hunter
1 William Alexander sq 1873
2 Joseph John dq 1875--Peter's father
3 Margaret jq 1878
4 Amelia sq 1880 (Emily on 1881 census)
5 Martha dq 1882
6 Emily Ann jq 1885
Cannot find a Robert Wright born c1878 who appears with family in 1891 census.
I too have failed to find a Lilly/Lily
John
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Hello all, I have Robert Wright born
in 1890 and died in 1891.
John Wright his father born 1838 in Ireland and dies in Feb 1890, I have Margaret Wright nee Hunter also going on to have a child in 1893 called Florence with John Fenney but can find no record of a marriage to John Fenney.
Joseph John Wright born 1875 is my husbands grandfather, we believe but have no proof he left his family behind sometime before 1919 and moved away, re married and had another family
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Hi, do not think they married.
1901 census Rg 3515 171 26, 75 James Street Widnes
John Fenney 48
Margaret 47 born IOMan
Albert 17 b Widnes mmn Atkinson
Martha 18 b Rucorn mmn Hunter
Emily 16 b Runcorn mmn Hunter
Richard 14 Widnes mmn Atkinson
Florence 8 mmn ***
John Fenney & Margaret with Florence on 1911 census.
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DQ 1874 Prescot.John FENNY marries Mary Ann Atkinson
1891 census RG12 3014 103 30
Mary A Fenney with various children, married but husband John not present.
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1891 census RG 12 3010 133 45
John Fenney in the home of his parents
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Mary Ann Fenney dies aged 34 DQ1897 Wigan
John
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John Wright born c1837-9 Ireland. He marries possibly/probably in Ireland to Mary Jane Mitchell born c 1848.
John Wright + Mary Jane Mitchell, 24 June 1865, Enniskillen
Partial transcript
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGVD-4SLZ
Image of cert, when you get past the captcha
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11573/8257770.pdf
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Well found jonw65 the image confirms all details shown on his second marriage certificate.
Is this a possible birth for Florence Wright/Fenney. I know ares is wrong--but
WRIGHT, FLORENCE mothers maiden name HUNTER
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 286
John
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I have seen a baptism for Florence, born 10 July 1893 Widnes and baptised 10 September 1893 in Widnes, which states parents John Fenney - father and mother - Margaret Wright .
Re Joseph John Wright ( 1875) we have known nothing about him as he did not talk about his past other than he was born in Runcorn, parents John and Margaret, he had a sister called Margaret. We have searched for years for any info about him so this year my husband has done a DNA test, which has now given us the answers re his family. still lots of unanswered questions, was this the same Joseph John Wright that married Margaret Gallagher and went on to have children, if so why did he leave them and move away and start a new family?
Lorraine
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Many thanks this looks like the "wright"family Suz i dont have Lillys birth date but Peter born 1900 married Jane Jennion round about 1932 any more help would be very appreciated,once again many thanks j jen heather and suz ;) ;)
I am not 100% certain we have the correct family
There is a marriage reg for Peter Wright and Jane Jennion 1932
It seems Jane died first quarter 1939 and Peter remarried by the end of 1939
There are several trees on A*****y giving various ages for Peter and various parents - do you know Peters exact date of birth
Does your cousin have any marriage certificate for Peter ? This could give his father's name
Suz
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Lorraine, are you able to answer a couple of questions as we appear to have 2 issues here.
You speak in your last post as knowing Joseph John Wright(if the correct one) left his wife and children , moved away, married and had further children. Are you able to share those details with us. Do you know when he died, was it in 1962?
What exact details have you got re Peter Wright(again is the son of Joseph) Do you have his marriage etc and when he died.
All helps us to try and narrow down our searches.
Thanks
John
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Hi John, based on the DNA test we have been trying to work out what has happened, what we believe is that Joseph John Wright m( b 1875) son of John & Margaret left the Lancashire area at some point and moved to Scotland, he assumed a different surname and remarried, I am guessing as you know his year of death you have seen the details on A*****y.
We found the record for a marriage of Joseph John Wright to Margaret Gallagher and put 2&2 together, because he does not appear on the 1901 census with his mother and other siblings and the only Joseph John we can find is now married, we are guessing that this may be him along with a wife and 2 Children ( Peter and Joseph )as of yet we have no DNA evidence that this is the same person though.
I have nothing to go on re Peter other than when he was born, no idea when he died etc , GRO records provide births for 6 children to Joseph John and Margaret (nee Gallagher) no idea what happened to any of them
Hope this helps
Lorraine
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What we have is Joseph John (b1875) married Sarah Nicholson in 1919 in Annan, Dumfriesshire, marriage certificate has his name as Joseph John Hunter, father John Hunter Labourer (deceased) mother Margaret nee Wright (also deceased) so he has changed his name from Wright to Hunter for some reason for his marriage) He chose never to speak to any of his family about his past, all they knew was he came from Runcorn, so for years we have been searching for a Joseph John Hunter and a marriage for his parents which we could never find for obvious reasons.
DNA linked my husband to the Quirks in the Isle of Man which is Joseph Johns grandmothers maiden name, which gave us something to work forward from and after that it all started to make sense.
Lorraine
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Lorraine, having just viewed the 1919 Annan marriage certificate there is no doubt in my mind that this is the same man. Bearing in mind his mothers maiden name was Hunter the switch from Wright (his birth registered surname) is no big leap. The real / final confirmation would be details from his first marriage to Margaret Gallagher regarding his fathers details.
The original poster mentioned a sister called Lilly/Lily. This is more than likely a half sister born 1931- 2013 from Joseph's second marriage.
John
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The other piece of the jigsaw which gave us final confirmation that Joseph John Hunter was Joseph John Wright was the date of birth. We knew his birthday was 17th September so I ordered the birth certificate for Joseph John Wright, the year of birth was different from what we though but the actual month and day was the same .
I am not sure about the Lily as the OP would not have know about his marriage in 1919 as I believe he had no contact with any family once leaving Lancashire but I could be wrong.
I have the marriage certificate for Joseph John and Margaret Gallagher will hunt it out shortly and let you know the details
Lorraine
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Lorraine, having just viewed the 1919 Annan marriage certificate there is no doubt in my mind that this is the same man. Bearing in mind his mothers maiden name was Hunter the switch from Wright (his birth registered surname) is no big leap. The original poster mentioned a sister called Lilly/Lily. This is more than likely a half sister born 1931- 2013 from Joseph's second marriage.
John
He chose never to speak to any of his family about his past, all they knew was he came from Runcorn,
Lorraine
Hello ---just joined to-day so please go easy on me :) :)
Maybe someone could help -i have Peter Wright born 1900 lancashire,Joseph brother,Lilly sister, any information on this family would be appreciated very much -they did reside in Widnes which was formally Lancashire but is now Cheshire,also their parents,g/parents anything.
did they always live in Widnes--hope anyone can oblige many thanks Billybobb
If sister Lily (as was mentioned in the original post) was a half sister to Peter (and siblings) and the family seem to have knowledge of her then surely that would mean the 2nd family of Joseph stayed in touch with the first family?? and as there was so much secrecy I doubt this would happen.
I am wondering if "sister" Lily may have been sister in law - having married one of Peter's siblings -or possibly a child Peter's mother had by someone other than Joseph?/ So many twists and turns- I'll try to find more info on Peter's siblings later tonight
Suz
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Would like to know the marriage details.
John
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I just posted the marriage details of Joseph John and Margaret Gallagher but they seem to have disappeared. As I am new to roots chat is there certain things that cannot be mentioned or did I just delete my own post by accident
Lorraine
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Will try again
Marriage in Bolton 28 jan 1898 Joseph John Wright age 22 Bachelor, General Labourer of 20 Princes or Princess Street, Bolton father John Wright General labourer deceased
To Margaret Gallagher spinster age 22 Domestic Servant , 20 Ashburner Street , Bolton, father Peter Gallagher
deceased general labourer
The witnesses are Thomas H Stevenson and Mary Stevenson
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Lorraine, my mind is made up-to many pieces fit together re dates, names etc. Do not dismiss post 9 re 1911 census either.
I am going to leave this line now and like suz move onto Peter 1900.
Thanks for sharing what you have, been a good chase.
John
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Since I have an interest in Wrights in Ireland I started looking at this topic from an Irish view but before I go further here’s another possible child for John Wright & Margaret Hunter-
Albert Wright (O/D 1887 Prescot-O/D 1887 Prescot)
WRIGHT, ALBERT HUNTER
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 675
Joseph Wright’s 1st marriage (1865) was in Enniskillen Registry Office and lists father as William Wright, a farmer, but it is really his 2nd marriage (1872) that gives further clues. One of the witnesses is a Joseph Wright. Wondering if 1) Joseph was John’s brother and 2) also moved to England, I started searching for a Joseph Wright born roughly 1838ish in Ireland but living in Lancashire.
At the same time I also wondered about the Robert Wright in household of John’s widow (1891) since he didn’t seem to be John & Margaret’s son. So, could Robert be Joseph’s son?
Sure enough, here’s what I found-
Joseph Wright (c1832-aft.1881) m.(21 July 1865 St. Helens Parish Church) Mary Ann Steel (c1843 Ire.-1876 Prescot)
Army Rolls- 9 Dec.1858 Liverpool: Joseph Wright, 26, born St. Helens, height 5’ 6 ¾“ . Struck out: 9 Sept./59 Deserter. Is this the same Joseph Wright? Birthplace says St. Helens but remember John’s occupation as Corporal Fermanagh Militia in 1865
Marriage- father William Wright, labourer
1871 Census- Windle civil parish, St. Helens dist., Prescot R.D.: Joseph Wright, 39, Ire.; wife Mary Ann Wright, 29, Ire.; son William Wright, 2; boarder Ann Steel, 16.
witness to 1872 marriage
1881 Census- 70 Walmsley St.: Joseph Wright, 48, Ire., wid., laborer at Alkali works; son William Wright, 12, St. Helens, scholar; son Robert Wright, 7, St. Helens, scholar
1. William Wright (28 Aug.1868). An online tree says had 9 children and died 1936
Bapt. 27 Sept.1868 St. Thomas Eccleston: William Wright, born 28 Aug., parents- Joseph (lab.) & Mary Ann Wright, Windle
2. ? William Wright (1874)- twin with Robert? Can’t find earlier William’s birth but there is a baptism record for earlier William alive in 1881. This birth appears on same page in birth register as Robert's and mother's maiden name Steel-
WRIGHT, WILLIAM STEEL
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 692
3. Robert Wright (24 Jan.1874-aft.1891)
WRIGHT, ROBERT STEEL
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 692
Bapt. 5 Apr.1874 St Thomas Eccleston: Robert Wright, born 27 Jan.1874, parents- Joseph & Mary Ann Wright
1891- with Margaret Wright (John’s widow)
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I have Robert Wright on 1891 census, presuming this is the same Robert you mention, I think it says he is 13months old, not 13 years and this ties in with a birth I found in 1890 M Quarter for a Robert Wright mmm Hunter registration district Prescot. I have John Wrights death certificate, he died23rd February 1890 so it looks like Robert was born just before or just after his fathers death.
Lorraine
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I think you are correct that Robert is 13 months old in 1891 census and thus the son born 1890 and died 1891. I was going by the 1891 census details posted earlier (reply #11) but should have verified it was correct myself :-[
Birth- WRIGHT, ROBERT (mmn-HUNTER) GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 684
Death- (July/Sept.1891) WRIGHT Robert 1 Prescot 8b 415
Father's death registered previous quarter-
Death (Apr./June) Wright Joseph 44 Prescot 8b 662
So, at this point the only connection between John Wright (born c1838 Ireland, father William) and Joseph Wright (born c1832 Ireland, father William) is that a Joseph appears as witness on John's 2nd marriage.
Irish records will likely be more difficult to find or non-existant. Civil registration of births, marriages & deaths are complete from 1864 with non-Catholic marriages (including registry office) starting from 1845. Therefore, no birth certificates for John, Joseph, etc.
I did take a look for William Wright in Fermanagh but couldn't find a death but of course John's father could have died before 1864, in another county or perhaps even moved over to England.