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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: nannyj on Saturday 17 December 16 17:44 GMT (UK)
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Looking for his birth. He married Jane housden (1729-1767) in Dagenham 1750. Children all born there. Couldn't find his death either.
Found jane's birth to Thomas (1695-1729) and Ann (says she was a widow at Jane's birth. Ann died 1730. Can't find their marriage, so can't find Ann's birth.
Any help much appreciated 😊
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There is a will in 1755 for an Elizabeth Seabrook, spinster, it mentions Jane Chapman as a cousin. There are also other family members mentioned.
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Ooh. Thanks. I'll look that up 😊
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Excellent. That's them. One pound and a shilling must have been a fair bit then!
So maybe Ann was a seabrook or maybe thomas' sister married a seabrook.
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There is mention of a Samuel Seabrook, uncle, there is a marriage in Dagenham in 1723 to an Ann Cullingham, which might be him.
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Jane housden's parents were William housden and Alice (don't know her surname and don't have their marriage).
If Elizabeth seabrook is jane's cousin, and samuel's niece, then either jane's mother Alice was a seabrook or Elizabeth's mother was Alice's sister? Does that sound right?
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Thought you said in top post Jane was daughter of Thomas and Ann, or am I reading it wrong?
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Oh yes ... senior moment! Her grandparents were William and Alice!
So jane's mother, Ann, and either of Elizabeth seabrook' parents were siblings. Or Thomas housden's sister married Elizabeth's father.
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There is also a cousin Elizabeth Smith in the will........... :'( :'( ;D :D
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Found Elizabeth's birth to ephraim. 15/4/1725. No mother mentioned.
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There is an Ephraim Seabrook marrying Elizabeth Carter in Bermondsey 1718.
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Right dates. wonder if there's an Ann carter marrying a Thomas housden there? First child I can find is Ann baptised 1723 Dagenham.
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What about the aunt Ann Townsend who also gets one pound and one shilling.
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There is a Mary daughter of Ephraim Seabrook and Eliza baptized 25 March 1727 (image 5)
Could be shortened from Elizabeth to Eliza to fit on the line
Registers are missing from 1703-1723
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Hmmm ... so there's now ephraim's wife Elizabeth carter who could be a sister of jane's mother or father, Ann Townsend who could be a sister of ephraim's wife and Elizabeth smith's mother who could be a sister of ephraim. Elizabeth smith can't be Elizabeth carter's wife, I don't think, as unlikely two living sisters would both be called Elizabeth.
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Essex Record Office
Dated 1820 documents refer to division of property and mentions Ephraim Seabrook and wife Elizabeth and Samuel Seabrook and wife Mary all of Dagenham. These are not digitized but might be worth the cost of copies as no will found for the Seabrook's apart from Elizabeth (spinster in 1755) already mentioned.
These kinds of documents often make reference to how the property was obtained establishing ownership of the title and may go back many years.
Ref:
D/DU 159/17
D/DU 159/18
D/DU 159/19
D/DU 159/21 notes final resolution
D/DU 159/22
There is also D/DU 159/20 but the index does not mention the Seabrook name. James Sharp and Stephen Joseph Collier and wife Elizabeth.
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That's very good of you to find these. I think I need to establish how ephraim is related to Jane housden first though? Not having much luck with that on SEAX yet. However, I did discover Townsend baptisms in barking, so I am next looking up Townsend marriages to see if related to the housdens or to jane's mother. Don't have her surname as can't find her marriage to Thomas Housden. Must be around 1720 as first child born in 1724 and Thomas was born in 1795, so wouldn't be of age til 1816. If I could find this marriage, it would solve quite a few queries.
Love a good puzzle but this one is taking a while!
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There is a marriage listed in Westminster in 1739 of a Benjamin Townsend to an Ann Housden.
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i don't have an Ann housden ... yet!
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Could be the Ann Townsend in the will, the aunt.
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Yes I agree, but not sure yet how she's related to Thomas. Gives me someone else to look for though around the Dagenham barking Romford area ... the plot thickens!
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Two big gaps in the Dagenham prs are not helping ... how inconsiderate of people back then not to have preserved their records better!!
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Based on the missing registers 1703-1723 my point was to find out how Jane Housden, Elizabeth Smith and Elizabeth Seabrooke are cousins, plus how Ann Townsend is her aunt.
As there are no wills or probates for Housden, Seabrook and Smith and Townsend from 1755 to 1820 the land they farmed and worked had to be handed down somehow.
Note Ephraim and Samuel Seabrook are listed as farmers of Dagenham in 1820.
Property disputes and how an estate is divided amongst heirs will list how and when they received it many years prior. Who died without heirs and who inherited their portion.
Many wills/probates have the wording to his/her heirs and the heirs of children born in the marriages.
I'm not referring to the Ephraim and Samuel of 1820 when we finally have a legal document concerning property division, but to their grandparents the generation you are looking for.
I could not find any Chapman's in Dagenham prior to 1703 so David was most likely born elsewhere.
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Yes, I see. Although the ephraim and Samuel would probably be the grandchildren of my ephraim and Samuel (both born around 1700) if the will is 1820? Or do you mean you think it would refer back to their grandparents?
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It's not a will, from what I can see via the index its a property division. I was thinking it would give clues to relationships both recent i.e. 1820 and further back, as to who originally owned the property who it was purchased from etc.
Seabrook is not your main item of research right now, so file it away as something to follow up on if you don't have any success with Housden and Chapman directly.
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Thanks amondg :)
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There is mention of a Samuel Seabrook, uncle, there is a marriage in Dagenham in 1723 to an Ann Cullingham, which might be him.
I was interested to read the above. My 5GGparents are Samuel Seabrook b.abt. 1700 and Ann b.abt. 1703. Their first child was born 1724 which certainly matches your marriage info. I have not been able find a marriage for Samuel. I am also interested in the will that was mentioned.
Thanks
Lyn