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I'd like to share my results with you and get your opinions (what can I really learn from these results):
Great Britain 62%
Ireland 15%
Scandinavia 6%
Iberian Peninsula 6%
Italy/Greece 4%
Europe West 2%
Europe East 2%
Finland/Northwest Russia < 1%
Caucasus 1%
Asia South < 1%
what I know about my family history (briefly):
paternal grandfather's paternal line traced to Shropshire pre 1800
paternal grandfather's maternal line traced to Lancashire pre 1800
paternal grandmother's paternal line traced to County Durham pre 1800
paternal grandmother's maternal line traced to Scotland pre 1800
(also a direct ancestor born in France - a British Subject - parentage foggy)
maternal grandfather's paternal line traced to North Yorkshire pre 1800
maternal grandfather's maternal line traced to Cheshire pre 1800
maternal grandmother's paternal line traced to Wales pre 1800
maternal grandmother's maternal line traced to Ireland pre 1840s
all very much a mongrel mix in those lines too as you move forward in time!
I'm not shocked to see the British / Irish / Scandi results but the other regions are a surprise.
It is quite amazing to think an ancient ancestor of mine from India enabled their gene to get carried north with the passage of time, no matter how faint it is now!
8)
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Hi,
I'm not sure if this helps but I do remember watching or reading about the Roman legions that were in Britain coming from all over the Roman Empire so soldiers + locals = mongrels ;D, and some stayed on and married into our gene pool :)
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi Daisy
Thanks that makes more sense now!
I had wondered if the Neanderthal gene would have shown up too!
best wishes and Merry Christmas
;) ;D
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I'd like to share my results with you and get your opinions (what can I really learn from these results):
Nothing really other than you were not taught history at school or you did not pay attention. ;)
Great Britain 62%
I'm not shocked to see the British / Irish / Scandi results but the other regions are a surprise.
WHY?
If we discount the UK for a moment, and just think about mainland Europe. Individuals wandered all over the continent through the ages mixing their DNA with others.
Then think of all the wars there have been on the continent, all wars involve rape and soldiers becoming involved with the residents of the countries they are posted too. :-X
This means that any one modern day country in the continent of Europe will contain residents with DNA from much of the rest of Europe. 8)
Then think of the Romans (as DaisyPetal mentioned) there soldiers were not as might be imagined limited to Italians but consisted of men from the countries they had previously conquered, mercenaries from neighbouring states and what is often forgotten a baggage train including camp followers from wherever they have passed through. :-X
Returning to the UK now.
The inhabitants have traded with the continent of Europe from time immemorial, people from the British Isles have travelled to other countries and people from other countries have travelled to the British Isles, spreading their DNA as they travel.
In addition invaders and raiding parties have cut through the British Isles on many occasions throughout history as they did on the continent of Europe.
What would be surprising in DNA is if we came across someone with purely English (whatever that means) DNA. :'(
The regions mentioned in such DNA reports are purely arbitrary groupings, which vary according to which company is testing the results.
They mean very little with regards ethnic origin. ;D
Cheers
Guy
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For most of us in the UK, we have a fair inkling of the origin of most of our DNA. Testing can sort out which paternal line is related to which other, with estimates of how far back the common ancestor might be.
The "ethnic origin" report might be of use where migration was the norm and the source of that migration was varied, such as the USA and the Caribbean.
An immigrant described in records as a "Russian" might have come from anywhere between modern-day Germany and Vladivostok. "Eastern Europe" might narrow down the search for their records quite a bit - but it would have to score a lot higher than 2% to warrant even a sub to Ancestry!
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I guess cos we're all lily white skinned and blonde or red headed (some of us) with blue eyes and burn easily that the Celtic DNA wasn't a shock or a surprise! :D
It was thrilling to realise I have the DNA of ancestors from more exotic areas of the world - that just blows my mind! 8)
I think everyone should have their DNA tested and it might just bring more harmony to what can sometimes feel like a rather fractured world!
All the very best for the season and thanks for posting!
:)
PS
I watched this which inspired me to get tested!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLr26wcF8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLr26wcF8M)
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my DNA results have just been updated and I need to scrap the original result
they now say I am
80% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and 20% Ireland and Scotland
what happened to my other interesting percentages?
???
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my DNA results have just been updated and I need to scrap the original result
they now say I am
80% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and 20% Ireland and Scotland
what happened to my other interesting percentages?
???
Nothing please refer to my earlier posting.
The regions mentioned in such DNA reports are purely arbitrary groupings, which vary according to which company is testing the results.
They mean very little with regards ethnic origin. ;D
All that has happened is your testing company has changed the algorithm it uses to produce the ethnic origin results.
These algorithms use modern day populations to produce results rather than ancient or historic populations.
You could get just as accurate results by taking 100 pins (or beads) and throwing them onto a map of Europe.
Cheers
Guy
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See
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800405.0
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thank you for the replies
;)
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my DNA results have just been updated and I need to scrap the original result
they now say I am
80% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and 20% Ireland and Scotland
what happened to my other interesting percentages?
This is exactly why I will not waste my money on a test.
Oh, it is very useful for putting the criminal at the scene of the crime; deciding which of the rugby team is the father; identifying which hairbrush belonged to great-great-great grandfather Jeremiah,
but
as a genealogical tool, I think it just muddies the water.
Regards
Chas
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It's very tempting but I've managed to resist the DNA route. I just know I'll be disappointed by the results.
Blue
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I'm just glad I got the test in the sale and hadn't paid full price!
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I have thought of doing an ethnicity test but I think I shall take a rain check on it. I shall save my money for the yearly sub to Anc.
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my DNA results have just been updated and I need to scrap the original result
they now say I am
80% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and 20% Ireland and Scotland
what happened to my other interesting percentages?
???
3rd update and change in my results as follows
71% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and
29% Ireland and Scotland
can I get a 50 / 50 result before long ???
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The value of DNA testing is in the match list rather than the ethnicity estimates. That said, changes are not necessarily a reason to give up. This is cutting edge science and improvements/refinements are to be expected. I would be more concerned if nothing ever changed.
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Just to endorse the comments from Carclyn.
No-one taking their family history seriously does a DNA test for the ethnicity results. I can not remember when I last looked at or thought about my ethnicity results, but I check my DNA matches most days. They are enormously helpful, confirming some lines, and leading me to the identification of a 3 x great grandfather (you still have to do the documentary research to make sense of the DNA results of course).
It is perfectly reasonable to choose not to do a DNA test. However, please do not mix up the benefits of DNA matching with the lack of value obtained from ethnicity results.
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I guess cos we're all lily white skinned and blonde or red headed (some of us) with blue eyes and burn easily that the Celtic DNA wasn't a shock or a surprise! :D
It was thrilling to realise I have the DNA of ancestors from more exotic areas of the world - that just blows my mind! 8)
I think everyone should have their DNA tested and it might just bring more harmony to what can sometimes feel like a rather fractured world!
All the very best for the season and thanks for posting!
:)
PS
I watched this which inspired me to get tested!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLr26wcF8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLr26wcF8M)
That youtube video is not available here in Oz, because.....
This video contains content from Fox Networks Group Asia and National Geographic, one or more of whom have blocked it on copyright grounds.
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I found the ethnicity useful
It proved that my grandmother's birthfather was indeed European Jewish and a lot of our matches are 100percent or near enoughclassifiedas such .
My mother's percent has just gone from 22percent to 24+mine has risen from 11 to 12.
I've gained 1 percent French and 2 percent German but kept my 49percent Scottish.
I wonder how much results are influenced by the number of people tested in particular areas .?
Sorry you lost your multi ethnicity amounts but next reanalysis may bring something new .
By looking at my matches ethnicity I can sometimes see immediately which branch they are from .
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A further update to my DNA results:
England & Northwestern Europe
(North West England & the Isle of Man
Cheshire, Merseyside & South Lancashire
Wirral Peninsula & Flintshire) 47%
Scotland 19%
Wales 17%
Ireland 14%
Norway 3%
I feel like a ping pong ball lol ;D
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Yet another change in data!
England & Northwestern Europe
56%
North West England & the Isle of Man
Cheshire, Merseyside & South Lancashire
Wirral Peninsula & Flintshire
Scotland
18%
Ireland
13%
Wales
12%
Sweden & Denmark
1%
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From their site,
The results provided are decided by the strength of your link to a particular region and your genetic relationship to your matches. Rest assured that it is often the case that results differ from our own prior knowledge given the snapshot in history we concentrate on- namely on 500 -1000 years for distant origins (represented by 'Regions' and 50-300 years ago for more recent origins (represented by 'Communities'. This means that we often see links to our deep past far beyond most family history knowledge. This combined with the random nature of genetic inheritance means that we do not inherit each and every trait or marker from our ancestors. Nevertheless, such roots remain a part of our heritage even if they do not appear in the results.
Zaph
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Too complicated for my frazzled brain at the mo!
Think I need to employ a DNA investigator to help find the missing unnamed fathers in my complex tree.
???
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An even further more update to my DNA results:
England & Northwestern Europe 60%
Wales 14%
Ireland 12%
Scotland 10%
Norway 4%
:o
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I'd like to share my results with you and get your opinions (what can I really learn from these results):
Great Britain 62%
Ireland 15%
Scandinavia 6%
Iberian Peninsula 6%
Italy/Greece 4%
Europe West 2%
Europe East 2%
Finland/Northwest Russia < 1%
Caucasus 1%
Asia South < 1%
what I know about my family history (briefly):
paternal grandfather's paternal line traced to Shropshire pre 1800
paternal grandfather's maternal line traced to Lancashire pre 1800
paternal grandmother's paternal line traced to County Durham pre 1800
paternal grandmother's maternal line traced to Scotland pre 1800
(also a direct ancestor born in France - a British Subject - parentage foggy)
maternal grandfather's paternal line traced to North Yorkshire pre 1800
maternal grandfather's maternal line traced to Cheshire pre 1800
maternal grandmother's paternal line traced to Wales pre 1800
maternal grandmother's maternal line traced to Ireland pre 1840s
all very much a mongrel mix in those lines too as you move forward in time!
I'm not shocked to see the British / Irish / Scandi results but the other regions are a surprise.
It is quite amazing to think an ancient ancestor of mine from India enabled their gene to get carried north with the passage of time, no matter how faint it is now!
8)
I'd take it with a pinch of salt mate . Romani Gypsy ancestry for example could make a difference.
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my DNA results have just been updated and I need to scrap the original result
they now say I am
80% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and 20% Ireland and Scotland
what happened to my other interesting percentages?
This is exactly why I will not waste my money on a test.
Oh, it is very useful for putting the criminal at the scene of the crime; deciding which of the rugby team is the father; identifying which hairbrush belonged to great-great-great grandfather Jeremiah,
but
as a genealogical tool, I think it just muddies the water.
Regards
Chas
I would agree that at present the ethinicity estimates should not be viewed as anything other than a bit of fun at present but in a few decades they may have a purpose.
Putting that aside I would also say that DNA is the greatest advance in genealogy/family history for many years, possibly second only to the advent of the internet.
DNA is the next best thing to being at the birth of a child to determining who the birth mother is/was and is the only way to prove who the biological father is at present.
That does not by any stretch of the imagination mean DNA will determine the parentage of a child as obviously the correct people have to have taken a DNA test to determine that, but DNA can determine from which ancesteral line the DNA has been passed down.
Cheers
Guy
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my DNA results have just been updated and I need to scrap the original result
they now say I am
80% England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
and 20% Ireland and Scotland
what happened to my other interesting percentages?
This is exactly why I will not waste my money on a test.
Oh, it is very useful for putting the criminal at the scene of the crime; deciding which of the rugby team is the father; identifying which hairbrush belonged to great-great-great grandfather Jeremiah,
but
as a genealogical tool, I think it just muddies the water.
Regards
Chas
I would agree that at present the ethinicity estimates should not be viewed as anything other than a bit of fun at present but in a few decades they may have a purpose.
Putting that aside I would also say that DNA is the greatest advance in genealogy/family history for many years, possibly second only to the advent of the internet.
DNA is the next best thing to being at the birth of a child to determining who the birth mother is/was and is the only way to prove who the biological father is at present.
That does not by any stretch of the imagination mean DNA will determine the parentage of a child as obviously the correct people have to have taken a DNA test to determine that, but DNA can determine from which ancesteral line the DNA has been passed down.
Cheers
Guy
True. I have also seen how easy it can be to jump to conclusions though with common DNA testing for ancestry, and how the worst is assumed. Someone on FB said they did DNA and neither of their grandfathers were biological. I find that hard to believe, I think this could be a case of misinterpreting the results.
About 1 to 2% of NPE's will have taken place in anyone's ancestry, perhaps up to 3%.
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How far up are the missing father's on your tree .
Some of us have had success from knowing how to triangulate results ...well worth reading some of the stories on DNA board .
+ posting any of your conundrums.
Ancestry now publishes affiliation orders from some areas so you may be able to find the putative father then run his surname thru thru your shared matches .
To me it looks as tho your results are getting closer to matching your paper trail 🤠