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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: MattD30 on Friday 23 December 16 21:12 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping someone can help me with a bit little puzzle. I am trying to trace the parents of my ancestor Ann[e] Draper [also spelt Drayper and Draiper] who was born in Billingshurst in the 1630s, however I have two possible candidates:
The first candidate is Ann Draper who was born in Billingshurst in 1631/32. Her parents were John Draper and Agnes Dench.
The second candidate is Anne Draper who was born in Billingshurst in 1634/5. Her parents were Samuel Draper and Dorothy Knight.
The puzzle arises because John and Samuel appear to have been brothers, which would make the two Annes cousins.
John Draper was born in 1594 to Peter Draper and Ellyne Grinfild [Ellen Greenfield]
Samuel Draper was born in 1599 also to Peter and Ellen.
I also know they had a daughter named Lydia in 1591. However I don't know when/where Peter and Ellen were married
John and Agnes also had another son named Caleb in 1637/8, whilst Samuel and Dorothy also had the following children:
Samuel - born 1631
John - born 1633
Sarah - born 1636/7
I don't know anymore about these people so it would be interesting to know if anyone can provide me with any details regarding any marriages or burials for them.
Thanks
Matt
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Peter DRAPIER m Helen GREENFIELD 23 Sep 1582 Billingshurst
Peter was buried in Billingshurst 29 Jan 1618. He was a carpenter, inventory of his estate is at WSRO.
I've found reference to a Caleb Draper, cordwainer, of Billingshurst at WSRO: inventory in 1683.
Nell
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Peter DRAPIER m Helen GREENFIELD 23 Sep 1582 Billingshurst
Peter was buried in Billingshurst 29 Jan 1618. He was a carpenter, inventory of his estate is at WSRO.
I've found reference to a Caleb Draper, cordwainer, of Billingshurst at WSRO: inventory in 1683.
Nell
Hi Nell
Thanks for that info. I think I had the marriage year noted down somewhere but not the exact date so thanks for that. It would be useful to know if either of these people mentioned Anne Draper. If only Peter and Caleb had left wills. Hopefully the people who took the inventories will be familiar.
Matt
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Peter DRAPIER m Helen GREENFIELD 23 Sep 1582 Billingshurst
Peter was buried in Billingshurst 29 Jan 1618. He was a carpenter, inventory of his estate is at WSRO.
I've found reference to a Caleb Draper, cordwainer, of Billingshurst at WSRO: inventory in 1683.
Nell
Hiya
Do you know which court Caleb's will was proved in? I have found that the Family History Centre at Kew has some copies of wills proved in Sussex courts so if I can check the will there it will be helpful. If you know the reference it will be great.
Many thanks
Matt
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Hi Matt
The original will of Caleb Draper of Billingshurst, Cordwainer, 1682, proved in the Chichester Consistory Court, is available on Family Search.
If you register on the website you can see it here when logged in -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D19S-WJD?mode=g&i=684
Plenty of Sussex probate records are freely available on there. And many Sussex PRs and BTs! Including Billingshurst, the microfilm with the first registers on starts here -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRC4-MZ?i=2&cat=451928
Can't download these images, take screenshots is a way round that!
Kind regards
John
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John just beat me to it. :)
Nell
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Hi Matt
The original will of Caleb Draper of Billingshurst, Cordwainer, 1682, proved in the Chichester Consistory Court, is available on Family Search.
If you register on the website you can see it here when logged in -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D19S-WJD?mode=g&i=684
Plenty of Sussex probate records are freely available on there. And many Sussex PRs and BTs! Including Billingshurst, the microfilm with the first registers on starts here -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRC4-MZ?i=2&cat=451928
Can't download these images, take screenshots is a way round that!
Kind regards
John
Hi John
Thanks for that. I am registered with Familysearch but I didn't think of looking there for the will. That will be my next stop. Do you know if I can view other wills proved in that court via Familysearch?
Thanks again
Matt
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Hi Matt
The original will of Caleb Draper of Billingshurst, Cordwainer, 1682, proved in the Chichester Consistory Court, is available on Family Search.
If you register on the website you can see it here when logged in -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D19S-WJD?mode=g&i=684
Plenty of Sussex probate records are freely available on there. And many Sussex PRs and BTs! Including Billingshurst, the microfilm with the first registers on starts here -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRC4-MZ?i=2&cat=451928
Can't download these images, take screenshots is a way round that!
Kind regards
John
Hi
Just found the will, thx again for the help. Do you know if I can download/print a copy at the Family History Centre in the National Archives at Kew?
Matt
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Hi Matt
The original will of Caleb Draper of Billingshurst, Cordwainer, 1682, proved in the Chichester Consistory Court, is available on Family Search.
If you register on the website you can see it here when logged in -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D19S-WJD?mode=g&i=684
Plenty of Sussex probate records are freely available on there. And many Sussex PRs and BTs! Including Billingshurst, the microfilm with the first registers on starts here -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRC4-MZ?i=2&cat=451928
Can't download these images, take screenshots is a way round that!
Kind regards
John
Do you know how I can find the probate records of other people who had wills proved in this or the Archdeaconry court? Is there an index? How did you find the web address for the page with Caleb's will on it?
Thanks
Matt
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Hi Matt
We can see those Sussex microfilms via the LDS catalogue on Family Search
So we look to see what Sussex probate records they have (in the same way as if we were planning to view or order them at a FHC)
England, Sussex - Probate records (39)
then select -
Wills, 1534-1700 Diocese of Chichester Consistory Court
we needed -
Original wills (STC I/II) 1684-1690 British Film 1068641
to the right is a camera icon, which means that we can view the microfilm online
Having got the microfilm up, we then have to find what we want ourselves!
All this is fine for microfilmed images of original records, but it seems that they wont let us see modern day transcriptions of anything (you have to be a member or at a FHC)
They have some inventories on there, if there was one for Caleb then I don't think it's available online (no camera icon)
There's a Chichester Consistory Court index on findmypast, which said that Caleb's will had the reference
STC I/27/355b. Which was a bit of a help in finding it in the sense that I landed on a will in 1682 which the index said had a ref of 335b, and Caleb's will was indeed twenty or so images further on.
The Keep website is good for getting the necessary details for East Sussex wills.
I guess if they have a particular microfilm at the London Family History Centre, then they should be able to make a copy of what you need.
John
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Hi Matt
We can see those Sussex microfilms via the LDS catalogue on Family Search
So we look to see what Sussex probate records they have (in the same way as if we were planning to view or order them at a FHC)
England, Sussex - Probate records (39)
then select -
Wills, 1534-1700 Diocese of Chichester Consistory Court
we needed -
Original wills (STC I/II) 1684-1690 British Film 1068641
to the right is a camera icon, which means that we can view the microfilm online
Having got the microfilm up, we then have to find what we want ourselves!
All this is fine for microfilmed images of original records, but it seems that they wont let us see modern day transcriptions of anything (you have to be a member or at a FHC)
They have some inventories on there, if there was one for Caleb then I don't think it's available online (no camera icon)
There's a Chichester Consistory Court index on findmypast, which said that Caleb's will had the reference
STC I/27/355b. Which was a bit of a help in finding it in the sense that I landed on a will in 1682 which the index said had a ref of 335b, and Caleb's will was indeed twenty or so images further on.
The Keep website is good for getting the necessary details for East Sussex wills.
I guess if they have a particular microfilm at the London Family History Centre, then they should be able to make a copy of what you need.
John
Hi John
Thanks that's very helpful. I've got quite a few wills to look for in this court so this will be helpful in finding them.
Do you know if it's possible to view wills for Kent or Surrey through Familysearch?
Matt
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Hi Matt
We can see those Sussex microfilms via the LDS catalogue on Family Search
So we look to see what Sussex probate records they have (in the same way as if we were planning to view or order them at a FHC)
England, Sussex - Probate records (39)
then select -
Wills, 1534-1700 Diocese of Chichester Consistory Court
we needed -
Original wills (STC I/II) 1684-1690 British Film 1068641
to the right is a camera icon, which means that we can view the microfilm online
Having got the microfilm up, we then have to find what we want ourselves!
All this is fine for microfilmed images of original records, but it seems that they wont let us see modern day transcriptions of anything (you have to be a member or at a FHC)
They have some inventories on there, if there was one for Caleb then I don't think it's available online (no camera icon)
There's a Chichester Consistory Court index on findmypast, which said that Caleb's will had the reference
STC I/27/355b. Which was a bit of a help in finding it in the sense that I landed on a will in 1682 which the index said had a ref of 335b, and Caleb's will was indeed twenty or so images further on.
The Keep website is good for getting the necessary details for East Sussex wills.
I guess if they have a particular microfilm at the London Family History Centre, then they should be able to make a copy of what you need.
John
Hi there
How did you find Caleb's will on that film? Is there an index or way to search for names? I have been looking at some of the images and found them quiet tricky to read which is annoying. I also found that there doesn't appear to be any order to the wills. I hope you can advise the best way to approach this.
Matt
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Hi Matt
I don't think we can see Kent wills online. If there are any on FamilySearch they would probably not be viewable at home (as with their other Kent records)
Some Surrey wills have been transcribed, many names indexed
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/
I think it may be on findmypast as well. Certainly is very useful.
Finding those wills on the microfilms is really just trial and error. They may be in order of probate date, they may not. Sometimes the archive references might be on the images, maybe even written on the wills somewhere.
It can certainly be hard work to find an original will, should be easier with the copy wills if the registers are available on there. And of course the original will may not have survived, only the copy.
John
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Hi Matt
I don't think we can see Kent wills online. If there are any on FamilySearch they would probably not be viewable at home (as with their other Kent records)
Some Surrey wills have been transcribed, many names indexed
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/
I think it may be on findmypast as well. Certainly is very useful.
Finding those wills on the microfilms is really just trial and error. They may be in order of probate date, they may not. Sometimes the archive references might be on the images, maybe even written on the wills somewhere.
It can certainly be hard work to find an original will, should be easier with the copy wills if the registers are available on there. And of course the original will may not have survived, only the copy.
John
Thanks for that info. I have several wills to look for so I'll see how I go. I'm also planning a visit to the Familyhistory centre next week so hopefully I'll be able to find more there.
Matt