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My 3x Gt Grandfather was a miller in Spalding in 1842 when 2x Gt Grandfather was married in 1842 but can't find him in 1850 census. he married in 1805 to Elizabeth Catling in Spalding but don't know where he was born.
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If you tell us what his name was Keith, I'm sure someone on here will be able to help.
Romilly.
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:) :) Merry Christmas everyone.
On Family Search there is a John Vine marrying a Elizabeth Catling on 28 Nov 1805.
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John Vine born 1773 at Glinton, Northampton to John and Elizabeth.
A few people doing this familys tree on Ancestry.com
Regards
Shirley
West Oz
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Although Matthew/Louisa/Joseph/Edward dont name their Father as deceased on their Marriages FreeREG it appears to me that he was by 1844
VINE, JOHN , age 70***
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in THE SPALDING UNION Volume 14 Page 306
So Birth c 1774
As you know John is not at Home in 1841;
Elizabeth Vines 60
Elizabeth Vines 30
Japhes Vines 15
Mathew Vines 20
Joseph Vines 2
John/Elizabeth as Parents for John vine looks correct. Also him being Christened in Glinton, Northamptonshire 1773. (on Anc)
Reason I agree as I have found;
John VINE Married Elizabeth SOUTHWELL, 24 Dec 1772, St Benedict, Glinton, Northamptonshire
(Source FreeREG)
Explains your Matthew's second name :)
Elzabeth Vine Snr and Jnrs Burials are on FreeREG 1856/1874 age 77/68
Trish :)
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Baptism;
20 Aug 1752, St Benedict, Glinton
Elizabeth SOUTHWELL, Daug of MATT/LUCE
Other Siblings have Father as Matthew including Twins 1746
(FreeREG)
I'll let you find the Marriage yourself on there 1739.
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Stamford Mercury 7th January 1825
On Sunday, at Spalding, after a short illness, aged about 50, John Vine, miller, leaving a disconsolate widow and six children.
David
See also - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=246629.0
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Thanks David, that does explain why I can't find him in the census for 1841, I had found he was from Glinton area before and went to look round the grave yard for Vine's but did not find any or Southwells either but some of the stones are difficult to read. There are two volumes of Stamford Mercury if I remember correct in the Spalding Gentlemen's Society but can't remember what years, will have to look next time I am there.
regards
Keith
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I am not sure if this is of interest but I have a William Vine on my tree, born in Water Newton, Huntingdonshire, who married Charlotte Burbage of Werrington, the next village to Glinton, in 1841.
I seem to remember researching this family but they are not direct relatives. One of William's daughters, Mary Ann Vine, married John Anton whose aunt married one of my relatives.
I must have looked at William's marriage details at some point and it gave his father as Matthew Vine, a Miller. Matthew appears on the 1841 census in Alwalton, Huntingdonshire, but as an agricultural labourer, born out of county. Matthew's age ties in with him being the son of John and Elizabeth Vine of Glinton - i.e. John's brother - although no definite proof.
David
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Quote from David;
Stamford Mercury 7th January 1825
On Sunday, at Spalding, after a short illness, aged about 50, John Vine, miller, leaving a disconsolate widow and six children.
So I got the wrong Burial and this one looks correct thanks to David.
There were a few John Vines around I must admit!
The Southwell info I posted I would say is right.
Trish :)
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That is extremely interesting that my John's a miller father also John may have had another son Matthew who was also a miller. Will have to look at this more on another site. I wonder if my 2 x grandfather Matthew Southwell vine was named after him, he got his 2nd name after his granmothers maiden name.
Regards
Keith