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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: npl on Monday 26 December 16 12:49 GMT (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters,
I am wondering if anyone can help me please. I have a James KAVANAGH marrying an Ally O'REILLY in Enniscorthy on 12th October 1810. A witness at the wedding is also called James KAVANAGH. That is all the information there is on the register.
How would I find out where these two came from? Is it even possible given the early date of the marriage?
They are buried in Templeshannon graveyard. Given their ages, James was born in 1790 and Ally in 1774.
Thank you in advance.
Nora
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Hi,
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634056#page/243/mode/1up
The earliest birth record is 1794.
Maggsie
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Hi Maggsie,
Thank you for your reply to my enquiry. I already have the marriage of James and Ally. What I was wondering is how can I get back any further? Or is that not possible?
Thanks,
Nora
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Hi,
I searched the Tithe records (these are free) and there are 24 James Kavanagh in Wexford. These are in different town lands, Enniscorthy would have town land names like we have streets.
In the registersonline it just states Enniscorthy, no address.
I was member of rootsireland.ie this would be a place I would look. Join for a month as pay to view is expensive. they have most BDM. Don't get any other records on Pay to view as these are in other sites free.
For John born 1816 one of his sponsors was Edward Sinnott, in the Tithe records he was listed as Castle Ellis east of Enniscorthy town.
As you don't have town land names it's a case of digging, sorry.
Maggsie
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If you use the links on the bottom of the main page of the Enniscorty Parish you can see what records survive and where they are
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0593&parish=Enniscorthy
RootsIreland(Wexford Heritage) MIGHT have transcribed from the original Registar which the modern transcript you can see on NLI site was taken from, which MAY have more information, but it's quite possible the original doesn't survive. In either case the start year is the same.
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Hi Maggsie and Sinann,
Thank you both for your help and advice. I really appreciate the trouble you have gone to. If I manage to resolve this I will let you know.
Kindest regards,
Nora.
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How would I find out where these two came from? Is it even possible given the early date of the marriage?....
They are buried in Templeshannon graveyard. Given their ages, James was born in 1790 and Ally in 1774.
Well, presumably the bride was from the parish of Enniscorthy. But that is about it as regard the marriage record. That they are buried in Templeshannon (area commonly known as 'The Shannon'), also says that they were locals from either the town itself, or close by.
However, the years of birth you have do not look plausible to me - a bride 16 years older than the groom, back in 1810? If she was that old, how likely was she to have children?
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Hello Wexflyer,
I can only go by their age on their tombstone. They had two children, Eleanor B: 24/4/1812 and John B: 05/06/1816. I have their genealogy down to the present time, but trying to find out anything about James and Ally is proving impossible. Maybe there are sources I have not found yet that could hold a clue?
Regards,
Nora
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Hello Wexflyer,
I can only go by their age on their tombstone.
Regards,
Nora
Have you personally verified the memorial inscriptions, or are you relying on transcriptions which may, or may not be accurate? I can attest that such transcriptions are not 100% reliable, and need to be verified in person.
While I am thinking of it, it is possible/likely that the witness on the 1810 marriage was the groom's father.
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Hi Wexflyer,
I have photos of the tombstones in question so that is verified. Thank you for the tip on James KAVANAGH as the witness maybe being James father. He may well be. I can't verify that as no records exist that would help me as far as I know. So frustrating!
Thank you for all your help. It is very kind of you.
Regards,
Nora
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Hi Wexflyer,
I have photos of the tombstones in question so that is verified.
If you have the memorial inscriptions then presumably you know when they died. That is useful information in terms of whether they were alive at the time of the tythe or Griffiths valuations. Can you provide?
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Hi Wexflyer,
Alice KAVANAGH died October 14th 1846 aged 72.
James KAVANAGH died June 29 1861 aged 71.
This information is taken from their tombstone.
Regards,
Nora
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Hi Wexflyer,
Alice KAVANAGH died October 14th 1846 aged 72.
James KAVANAGH died June 29 1861 aged 71.
This information is taken from their tombstone.
Regards,
Nora
So, you could look for James in the 1861 Census transcripts for Enniscorthy.
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Hi Wexflyer,
Alice KAVANAGH died October 14th 1846 aged 72.
James KAVANAGH died June 29 1861 aged 71.
This information is taken from their tombstone.
Regards,
Nora
The deaths of "Ally Cavanagh" on October 14th, 1846, aged 70, and James Kavanagh on July 1, 1861, aged 70, are recorded in the Enniscorthy parish registers. This shows that they were resident in the parish.
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Hi Wexflyer,
Thank you for your speedy reply. I think they lived in Irish Street, but I don't know if they stayed there all their life of they moved around. Is there any way to find out what James did for a living? I know it's a long shot, and thank you for all your help. It's much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Nora
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Hi Wexflyer,
Thank you for your speedy reply. I think they lived in Irish Street, but I don't know if they stayed there all their life of they moved around. Is there any way to find out what James did for a living? I know it's a long shot, and thank you for all your help. It's much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Nora
Trade directories. But I don't see a James Kavanagh in the 1824 Piggott's, or 1846 Slater's directories.
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Is there any way to find out what James did for a living?
You mentioned that you have details of the children and descendants of James and Ally/Alice down to the present. Can you say when/where the children were married, and where/when they died? Depending on dates and locations, may have father's (James) occupation on marriage registration, and children occupations will in any case be a guide to the father's social stratum.
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Hello Rootschatters,
I am wondering if anyone can help me please. I have a James KAVANAGH marrying an Ally O'REILLY in Enniscorthy on 12th October 1810.
Nora
Registers show date of marriage as 12th November, 1810.
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There's a James Kavanagh in Scarawalsh,Enniscorthy 1843/1846 he appears to be a Cooper
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j6z/
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Hi Dathai,
Thank you so much for this piece of information. I would never have found it! You are very kind to help me.
Kindest regards,
Nora
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Just noticed it has Irish Street wrote on the top of the page.
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Hi Wexflyer,
The children of James KAVANAGH and Ally REILLY were both married in St. Aidan's Cathedral, but it gives no details as to fathers occupation.
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Surely Alice was 36yrs old in 1810 and James was only 19yrs old?
Could be mother and son??Brian
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Hi Brian,
James and Ally were husband and wife. I have their marriage.
Regards,
Nora
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Good hunting Nora. I just thought it very unusual for the bride to be so much older than the groom,
normally it is the opposite.
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The headstone might be mother and son. The son having the same name as his father is not unusual.
Does the wording on headstone give any indication of relationship between the two people named on headstone. The ages given on headstones are not always accurate.
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Hi Healyjfch,
Thank you for your reply. The headstone gives me all the information as regards relationships, age, etc. I know these are not always as accurate as one would wish but it gives me what I need in this case.
Kind regards,
Nora