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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: steve62 on Thursday 29 December 16 17:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi folks,
Having a lot of problems finding when someone came to UK from Eastern Europe and would like some suggestions as where to look.
For instance of one:-
Joseph Mazorkoff 1867-1934(b.Russia) and wife Rachel Cutner 1870-1945.
There second child Samuel was born in Glasgow in 1894 and presume that is where they landed. Arrival must have been around 1892/1893.
I have tried variations of the four surnames I am searching on Anc.FindMyPast and Jewishgen, but to no avail.
Any suggestions gratefully received.
Steve
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Hi,
The eldest son was born in Bristol in 1891 his name was Abraham, is this name in your family?
Maggsie
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Passenger lists between UK and Europe don't exist on the whole. The exception is when the ship was going further - to ports beyond Europe and the Mediterranean.
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Having a lot of problems finding when someone came to UK from Eastern Europe and would like some suggestions as where to look.
For instance of one:-
Joseph Mazorkoff 1867-1934(b.Russia) and wife Rachel Cutner 1870-1945.
There second child Samuel was born in Glasgow in 1894 and presume that is where they landed. Arrival must have been around 1892/1893.
From Eastern Europe they're unlikely to have landed at Glasgow.
The usual route was via Hamburg, Bremen or from a Dutch port to the east coast of the UK (e.g. Leith (for Edinburgh), Hull, Grimsby etc., if not London), and then by train across to the west coast. Inclusive tickets could be obtained which included the train journey, as the route was originally intended for those continuing their journey to the USA.
For background information, see here ...
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/jewish/journeys/journeys.htm
(Scroll down to Journey to England etc.)
You say you have searched Ancestry, but have you searched the Hamburg Passenger Lists (worldwide subscription needed)? You will need to use germanised forms for the Russian names, and be very creative with the spelling. The handwriting can be very difficult and there are many mistranscriptions.
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Maggsie - Yes Abraham is their son and the childreen were born in Glasgow, Hull, Bristol and Liverpool lastly where they lived.
Graham Simons - It is possible they were going to the USA and either decided to stay in the UK or as in some case unscrupolous Captains told immigrants they were in the USA when they were in the UK. Something I read a long time ago on the internet. Regards Outgoing Passengers I cannot find anything in their name or similar in case they were going to the USA and never went.
Book box - Don't have Anc. W/W, but had a look to see if their name or one sounding similar, but found nothing. Seem to remember that the Bremen Records had been destroyed.
Thank you all and I appreciate your time and effort.
Steve
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Hi,
Moses went to Canada
Leah married and went to Ohio USA
Bertha went to Canada
Samuel it seems 1924 on the Corona.
I have kept the docs as I will be ending my membership with Ancestry at the end of Jan.
These are cross border records and hives an address in Ohio.
Let me know if you would like the records.
Maggsie
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Hi Maggsie,
You wonderful person!
Know about Samuel. Interested in:-
Moses - only know he came over to the UK late 1933 and went back Jan.1934. No info when he went to Canada.
Leah - married Lazarus Goldstein and they went to USA. I have two seperate records that probally match. She divorced and remarried a Ginsburg and then divorced again and married a Ross. Dead end as to what happened to her. So your extra info would be useful.
Bertha - Knew she went to Canada, but when. So extra info welcome.
Thanking you for all your kind consideration and time and ...
I wish you are Very Happy and Prosporous New Year 2017.
Steve
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Moses was mentioned in a previous Canadian thread last month. Included his WW1 Attestation Papers and Marriage. More info here.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759718.0
Sandra
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Thanks Steve,
All the best to you too.
maggsie
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U.S., Index to Alien Arrivals at Canadian Atlantic and Pacific Seaports, 1904-1944 - St Albans Vermont - Moses Mazerkoff - aged 15 years - born 1899 - arrival 1914 -
SS Andania - 5 April 1914 - going to Toronto.
U.S., Index to Alien Arrivals at Canadian Atlantic and Pacific Seaports, 1904-1944 - St Albans Vermont 17 February 1934 - Moses Mazerkoff aged 35 years - Mildred aged 35 years - Lillian 9 years - Muriel 7 years - Bernice 4 years - Joyce 3 years -
US Border Crossing - Canada to USA - Moses Mazerkofe (as it was transcribed) - Port of arrival - Niagara Falls - occupation bookeeper - accompanied by Mildred, Lillian, Muriel, Bernice, Joyce
Departure contact -Father-in-law Harry Harris. In transit for 2 days - 13 January 1933 - Moses had arrived Canada on the Andania 5 April
1914.
Sandra
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There was a Detroit Border Crossing 26 December 1948 - for Lillian Mazerkoff aged 24 years - born 31/3/1924 Toronto Ontario. Father Joseph - occupation Saleslady - last permanent address 24 a Scot Avenue, Toronto, Ontario. Destined to Henry Curtis - 150 W Ohio Street Tuscon Arizona. To reside permanently. Only ever been in USA on visits.
Sandra
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JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) - Possible for Bernice Bunny Mazerkoff - Hebrew Name Bina. Born 1929 Passed away aged 12 years - 9 November 1941 :'(
Father - Moshe Moses - Mother Name Mildred - Roselawen Cemetery - Pride of Israel - Burial Plot: Row C Grave 35
Sandra
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JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR) - Possible for Mildred Mazarkoff - 9 June 1982 -
Mount Sinai Memorial Park - North York, Ontario, Canada - Jewish Canadian War Veterans - Section 14 - Burial Plot Row: A Plot 12
Sandra
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The marriage record for Max Ross and Leah Mazarkoff gives the residential address of Max Ross as Toronto Canada - Its worth noting on the Canada Voters List 1949 that a Max Ross (unemployed) and a Mrs Leah Ross are living at 61 Howland Avenue. (Spadina) Toronto.
Max Ross listed on FIND A GRAVE
1883 - 1955
Burial: Mount Sinai Memorial Park Toronto Toronto Municipality Ontario, Canada.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=158667168&ref=acom
Only a Mrs Leah Ross listed at 61 Howland Avenue on the Canada Voters List for 1957.
Sandra
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Sandra,
You are a star for all that info and really appreciate your time on New Years Eve.
Moses - seen that posting of mine. Did'nt have his arrival. 1934 have that. Boarding Crossing did'nt know, but relates to their departure from New York in January 1933 to the UK.
Lilian - all I had was she went to the USA.
Bernice - only knew her death date.
Mildred - only had her death date.
Leah & Max Ross, apart from the marriage that is all knew to me.
I do have a lot of info on the Mazorkoffs, but still searching on and off as I am searching three Russian families at the same time.
I really appreciate and thank you for all your time.
Wishing you a Wonderful New Year 2017.
Steve
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Every little helps. Sure Maggsie has those passenger list details for Bertha - sure she will be back shortly.
Happy New Year Steve62 and Maggsie - Hope you both have a great night ;D
All the best for 2017
Regards
Sandra