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JOHN HARDY (often called Jack) Lived in Wellington and Petone. Not born in new zealand under hardy. His partner Mary Alice Hardwick told the children his name was really West, no other information than this so not known whether John is accurate either. The age he gave himself as makes his birth about 1888, no John West born in new zealand fits either, so possibly born in England. Had to be a reason he changed his name. Would like to find out where he came from. Grandfather. Died 29 Nov 1966, Lower Hutt
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Happy New Year, Today1,
To start off, what can you tell us about his military service, please? Did he serve in the New Zealand or the British Army? Do you know his service number? Did he serve in WW1?
If he served in the New Zealand Army his service record should be available to view for free on Archway.
Spades
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Hi Spades, I dont have any specific information at all, only that he was in nz army in some way, homeguard maybe? He was a blacksmith by trade, but im not sure that he worked in that area. His partner came from Kaipara and was there until 1914 and sometime between then and 1921 Wellington/petone, her whole family was up there, so it may be he was in that area at some stage. I have looked at electoral rolls. Sometime back now I went through the WW1 records but was unable to identify him. I've also checked all the John Wests born in New Zealand and was able to find all their deaths...so none of those him.
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Did your grandfather marry in New Zealand?
1925/10466 Margaret Morton John Hardy ??
Minniehaha.
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No minnie, they never married but were together from sometime after 1914/1919 to 1953 when she died. Her name was Mary Alice Hardwick. They had 4 children Lillian who died young Rosemary who went to Tasmania, George, and Arnold. I have all of their information. The children were registered under Mary's name Hardwick
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"...The age he gave himself as makes his birth about 1888"
When is he giving information about himself?
"...He was a blacksmith by trade, but im not sure that he worked in that area"
Where are you seeing him described as a blacksmith?.
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No Wivenhoe this information came from John to my father and the information about his name change was given to my father by his mother Mary. He died when I was about 13 but he didnt speak about his past, only from when he met Mary. The only other thing was he had a whole album filled with photos taken in fiji...very old and a yacht that also featured in them but my father had no idea why.
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"..The children were registered under Mary's name Hardwick"
John HARDY / WEST is not named on birth certificates of children born to Mary Alice HARDWICK, there is no marriage to find in NZ for this couple, and you are not able to see them on electoral rolls.
What the earliest sighting you have of John HARDY / WEST?
When couples are having children together but are not married, it is worth considering that one or both is still married to another person.
What is on the death certificate, 1953, for Mary Alice eg marital history etc. What birth year do you have for her?
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Mary was born in Kaipara Northland in 1901. I dont have the death cert, but I know my father did at one time, and didnt have any information that assisted. She went under the name of Hardy, only one partnership. They are on the electoral roles which I have on Ancestry, but dont have a sub at this time to give you the info. They lived in wellington and petone. Just realized i do have those dates 1928, 1935, 1938, 1946, 1949, 1951
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And can anything be gleaned from the death printout for John?
Minniehaha.
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Minnie the information on his death cert is all that my father knew, John Hardy unknown where born, unknown parents names
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Would this be the death registration for Mary Alice in 1951?
1951/24319 Hardy Mary Alice 50Y
Minniehaha.
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Yes
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"...the information on his death cert is all that my father knew". Do you mean that your father is the informant for his father's death record?. If not, who is the informant.
Do you have the death document for Mary Alice HARDY?
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yes he was the informant. No I dont have Mary's death certificate, i sighted it years ago, alot of things were thrown out. I discussed later with my father and there was nothing on her death certificate that was of assistance with John's origins.
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Perhaps we should work on Mary's family in the hope that some information may eventually be found there?
For starters:
Mary Alice and her siblings........
1899/262 Hardwick Reginald Henry Mary Alice Allan
1894/12482 Hardwick Herbert Allan Alice Mary Allan
1897/4740 Hardwick Florence Aileen Mary Alice Allan
1901/20520 Hardwick Mary Alice Mary Alice Allan
Marriage of parents:
1893/2564 Alice Williams Allan Hardwick
Do you know anything about the Hardwick family today1?
Minniehaha.
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thanks minnie, yes i have all that information, siblings, parents, cousins. I have spoken with two members of the hardwick family and neither had any information on John. Mary's brother Reginald who my father spoke with didnt know anything about Johns origins. He was simply John Hardy to them.
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Ok, back to the drawing board. ;D
I think an attempt should be made to identify the uniform in the photograph. I'm sure a Rootschatter will know which organisation to approach about this.
Perhaps the National Army Museum, Waiouru?
www.armymuseum.co.nz
Minniehaha.
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Ok thanks. Had a quick look at the homeguard petone info and looks like they had boiler suits and army hats, so maybe he was in the regular army.
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No Wivenhoe this information came from John to my father and the information about his name change was given to my father by his mother Mary. He died when I was about 13 but he didnt speak about his past, only from when he met Mary. The only other thing was he had a whole album filled with photos taken in fiji...very old and a yacht that also featured in them but my father had no idea why.
Hello John.
Do you know what happened to the photo album? The more photos available the more chances of finding a clue.
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Hi, :) I have a sneaky feeling that the photograph shows him wearing second world war Fusilier collar dogs on his uniform.
http://dandycollectibles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/RIMG0005-5.JPG
Regards
Frank.
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Fresh Feilds you want to hear this, they were thrown out eventually, back then there was no idea that the internet could link so much information and people
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Jess5 I looked that up and its the british army, however John was in new zealand from at least or before the end of ww1 until his death in 1966, I will equivalent in nz, thanks
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This website might be of interest..........
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=artillery+collar+badges&biw=1222&bih=646&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwioyMuAhaLRAhXMjJQKHSejBVMQs
Minniehaha.
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The cap??? [side view]
http://api.aucklandmuseum.com/id/media/v/325673?rendering=standard.jpg
Minniehaha.
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Thanks minnie, I cant see anything on there thats close to the collar badge, the closest from another site is royalnz electrical and mechanical engineers, but not the same. On the electoral roll 1928 he is listed as a steelworker, 1935 he is listed as a labourer and in 1946 he is listed as a pwd employee.
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How and when did you get the photograph?
Your John HARDY / WEST, b. 1888, would be early to mid 50s during the war years, and I would have thought the man in the photo was younger. Is the photo in a frame?.......photographers name?.......and notation on the back?
"...They had 4 children Lillian who died young Rosemary who went to Tasmania, George, and Arnold. I have all of their information."
BDM NZ death
1927 / 4183 HARDY Lilian May 2yrs
I can see WW2 enlistment for two HARDY brothers, Petone. Are they your father, and his brother?.
If your father served in WW2, do you mean that he did not know how his own father was also in uniform?
You need to see the death certificates for John HARDY, d. 1966, and Mary Alice HARDY, d. 1951.
Whatever someone else has told you about these documents, you need to see the information.
What are the births years for the four children?
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Wivenhoe Yes Arnold and George were both in the army. Arnold knew the information about his father in the army and it may even be that we discussed what it was a very long ago. Something i cannot recall. My father was the informant for his fathers death certificate, he gave only the information that he knew, had there been anything he would have followed it up, he even went to the trouble of placing an ad in the newspaper at one time and contacting likely looking relatives of West through death notices. John was not forthcoming with any information on his past, he did not know that Mary had told her sons of his name change. Neither of them approached him about it.
Children: Arnold John 1922 - 1997 George William 1923 Lillian May 1925 - 1927 Rosemary Jean 1926 - 1996
No marriage, children registered under Hardwick. Do you think this could be a WW1 uniform? I have checked all the Hardy and West records on Archway.
The photo was taken ?eicagraph Studio Hotel St George Corner, Willis Street, Wellington
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It will be the Leicagraph Studio.
http://canterburyphotography.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/blog-post.html
Spades
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The shoulder webbing just visible at the edges of the photograph suggest a WWII-era British or Commonwealth uniform. Are you quite sure the individual pictured is John HARDY alias WEST?
I agree with Wivenhoe that you should get hold of the death certificates for John HARDY, d. 1966, and Mary Alice HARDY, d. 1951.
Make sure that you purchase 'printouts', i.e. actual copies of the original documents, and not transcriptions.
Spades
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The shoulder webbing just visible at the edges of the photograph suggest a WWII-era British or Commonwealth uniform. Are you quite sure the individual pictured is John HARDY alias WEST?
I agree with Wivenhoe that you should get hold of the death certificates for John HARDY, d. 1966, and Mary Alice HARDY, d. 1951.
Make sure that you purchase 'printouts', i.e. actual copies of the original documents, and not transcriptions.
Spades
100% sure it is John Hardy (grandfather) he was alive for 13 years of my life : )
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From the National Library of New Zealand website.......
Leicagraph Studio (Wellington, N.Z.)
Letragraph Studio
Wellington photographic studio. Had premises at Hotel St George corner during the Centennial Exhibition (1939-1940). In 1972 the studio was still operating from 124 Willis Street, Wellington.
Minniehaha.
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Have you tried a google image search by uploading the photo you have? Far from reliable but you might get lucky!
Annie
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From the National Library of New Zealand website.......
Leicagraph Studio (Wellington, N.Z.)
Letragraph Studio
Wellington photographic studio. Had premises at Hotel St George corner during the Centennial Exhibition (1939-1940). In 1972 the studio was still operating from 124 Willis Street, Wellington.
Minniehaha.
Thanks minnie that gives some timing for the uniform
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Have you tried a google image search by uploading the photo you have? Far from reliable but you might get lucky!
Annie
Thanks Annie, wasn't aware that was possible, put it through without result, however yes was worth a go.
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Earliest & latest Studio advertisements found with St. George corner address...............
[1944]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19441026.2.13.3?query=leicagraph
[1940]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19400711.2.10.3?query=leicagraph
Minniehaha.
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Hello again,
"The children were registered under Mary's name Hardwick
She went under the name of Hardy."
Reply #26…..
BDM NZ death
1927 / 4183 HARDY Lilian May 2yrs
Do you have the printout for this death? If so, what are the details concerning the parents?
Minniehaha.
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Yes the children all went under the name of Hardy as did Mary, although John and her were not married, it was only when Arnold, George went to get birth certificates much later in life that they discovered they were registered under Hardwick and the parents had not married. Lillian died after falling and inhaling a peanut and developing pneumonia. George reverted to Hardwick when he went to australia and his death is recorded as Hardwick. Arnold continued to use the name Hardy and death was registered under that name. Rosemary married in australia and death is registered under her married name.
For Lillians newspaper notice they were Mr and Mrs Hardy. On the army registration papers for Arnold and George, Mary as next of kin was Hardy.
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Thank you for the information. However you have not stated what details were given on the death registration document concerning the parentage of wee Lilian.........
Minniehaha.
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I dont have that certificate and havent sought to get it. Mary's brother Reg gave my father all the information that he had with regard to that time. Limited finance for certificates so have to allocate for what is completely unknown and what is known, if you see what i mean, and yes could be something for down the track. Had so many purchases turn out to be not the person, or providing less information than i already have in other areas of tree.
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Hello...
Would some kind soul with access to the electoral rolls see if John WEST (Junior) of Pollen Street, Thames is present in the 1920's and later.
For the record... Gertrude (possibly fmr BRADSHAW m.s STEWART), the wife of this John died in November 1916 aged 33 years. She seems to be alone in her plot (Shortland Cemetery). She had a few children from both of her marriages.
Maybe this John WEST junior is the son of blacksmith John WEST, mentioned on the Treasury website, as well as being the blacksmith John WEST of Pollen Street, Thames who is mentioned on the WW1 CD. He is classified D so 3 or 4 children (can't remember which :-) which ties in.
Possibly this John WEST left his children when his wife died and became John HARDY. Or possibly not.
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Today1... did you ever know the day John HARDY celebrated his birthday. You don't know his birth *date* but maybe his birthday was Christmas Day or the winter solstice or the same day as one of his children etc.
Regards
Beg
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Beg at one time way back yes i knew, from memory it was in the latter part of the year...could be confusing it though with Arnolds.
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Obituary, [1917] John WEST, Thames, blacksmith..........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19171101.2.14?query=john%20west
Minniehaha,
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Beg at one time way back yes i knew, from memory it was in the latter part of the year
Hi...
I just ask because there is a somewhat convoluted way of using the BDM website to find everyone born on a specific date. It involves hitting the website (in this case) approx 20,000 times but that's nothing to a computer (although very annoying to the staff, not that I can see why).
The year 1888 had approx 20,000 births, so about thirty male births per day. A mangeable amount to research and rule in or out.
Obviously, this only works if the birth was registered in NZ.
Regards
Beg
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Obituary, [1917] John WEST, Thames, blacksmith..........
Hi Minnie... that will be the father (John senior) of the John WEST (blacksmith) mentioned on the WW1 CD.
Although the father was also a blacksmith I can't see why he would be mentioned as being in the Second Reserves, considering his age.
All comes to naught if John WEST, Pollen Street, Thames - occupation: Blacksmith is mentioned in the same electoral rolls as today1 mentioned in posts 8 and 25
Regards
Beg
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Beg I did go through and check all the John Wests born in nz within a couple of years of 1888 here and look for their death, looking for one that didnt have a death date which could be him, nothing came from that though. There is the possibility i guess that he also changed his first name, though that was never discussed only the last name.
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Beg if that John West is on the cd does that mean his record would be on archway. I have checked all of those and cannot get a match, either they were deceased under the name of west, or the wrong age and thats allowing for the age to be out by 5 yrs either way. One of the other things we considered for the name change was he skipped from the army
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Hello...
Would some kind soul with access to the electoral rolls see if John WEST (Junior) of Pollen Street, Thames is present in the 1920's and later.
Regards
Beg
Hi Beg,
As far as I can see, doesn't appear after 1914 when he was in Kirkwood Street, and a Blacksmith.
Cheers
KHP
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Beg I did go through and check all the John Wests born in nz within a couple of years of 1888 here and look for their death, looking for one that didnt have a death date which could be him, nothing came from that though.
Hi again...
Yep I understand. But the method I mentioned finds all births on that day. A person may change their name but not necessarily their birthday.
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If the John WEST I mentioned can't be found on the 1920's electoral rolls (plus if you've money to burn :) ) you might want to ask The Treasury if they know what happened to the son of John WEST, blacksmith who died in 1917.
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The CD mentions that he was enrolled into the Second Reserves i.e held in reserve. This was often the case for men who had children. As the war finished the following year they were not needed, hence no attestation.
Regards
Beg
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Beg...Ahh ok thank you
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As far as I can see, doesn't appear after 1914 when he was in Kirkwood Street, and a Blacksmith.
Hi KHP...
Thanks. That might be the father, who died in 1917. His son, if born c.1888, should be turning up post-1910. Hope he enrolled.
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I have an undated school record from Waikato for an Emily Rangi BRADSHAW b.1906. Guardian is John WEST (Junior) of Pollen Street, Thames. I don't suppose she is mentioned on your NZSG CD. Would be nice to date that.
Regards
Beg
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Yes, the school record is there and so is the marriage year and her full middle name.
Name
BRADSHAW : Emily Rangi
School : Waiokaraka Public
Register Number : 1868
Admission Date : 3 Feb 1913
Parent / Guardian : John WEST (Junr)
Address : Pollen St
Birthdate : 27 Mar 1906
Last Day : 17 Dec 1920
Destination : Home
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks yet again KHP :-)
And for the record here is the WW1 CD listing I mentioned earlier...
Record created August to October 1917
Surname: WEST
Name: John
Category: Second Reserves
Address: Pollen St ,Thames
Occupation: Blacksmith
Classification: D (i.e three children)
Although there is no mention of Senior or Junior I can't see this being the father John WEST senior as, going from the obit found by Minnie, in 1917 he was in his seventies.
Regards
Beg
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There is a John West, Thames on the 1920 Electoral Roll...cannot see details, as I dont have a sub
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Entire post quite accidentally deleted... bit of a nuisance.
And I can't remember what the post was about :)
Something about the 1881 birth of John WEST junior to John WEST senior and his wife Jessie WEST m.s McKAY being the John WEST I'm banging on about.
BDM NZ Births
1881/11066 - WEST, John - mother: Jessie father: John
And that there is a 1970 death for an 88 year old John WEST, buried at Waikumete, which may well be the same John WEST... so he didn't change his name to John HARDY and is not the man we're looking for.
BDM NZ Deaths
1970/49146 - WEST, John - 88Y ... so born c.1882
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Plus his mother's obit... Jessie McKAY married to John WEST in Melbourne in 1862
http://tinyurl.com/h2bove4 (http://tinyurl.com/h2bove4)
Regards
Beg
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No I havent, beg, i didnt take it out as far as 7 years, could do that
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oh okay so he may have died a west
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What I will do, is take a copy of the photo and with a explanation letter send it in to the army personnel records people and see what they may be able to come up ....last i heard it was years wait.
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Why not try posting on the Armed Forces page here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/armed-forces/
Cheers Janette
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I'm reasonably sure that this will be John Junior, the son of the blacksmith, that I'm going on about.
His 1917 affidavit from his father's probate file...
http://tinyurl.com/zy786xv (http://tinyurl.com/zy786xv)
Regards
Beg
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Thanks Janette, I did look at that but seems its mostly uk and overseas. Minnie posted some info that points to the photo indicating uniform is around ww11 time and photo probably taken between 1940 - 44, really looking to get a lead on his country of origin and could be on army record if there is one, doesnt mean he would have given the correct info though.
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Death.... reply #42
1917/7833 West John 79Y
Minniehaha.
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Thanks minnie, just checking the will information now
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Death.... reply #42
1917/7833 West John 79Y
Hi Minnie...
If that reminder is for me then yes I did see your original post (see reply #44). I reckon your reply #42 relates to the father. It's his son of the same name in which I'm interested.
Having said that, there is a 1970 burial at Waikumete which could be the son, so he may well not be our man after all.
No real info on the Waikumete website for this John WEST d.1970. What's needed to properly clear this up is an Auckland death notice look-up..... hmmmmm..... :-)
Regards
Beg
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Hello Beg,
No, no reminder intended. I was aware that this would be John West senior. Just adding to the picture. :)
A hint being dropped perhaps, about an Auckland newspaper death notice look up? ;D
I could do this but probably not until much later this month.......
Minniehaha.
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There is a John West, Thames on the 1920 Electoral Roll...cannot see details, as I dont have a sub
No 1920, but 1919 - John West, Pollen Street, Blacksmith, and there is Nancy May West at the same address.
Re: John West Jnr
from: kiwihalfpint
As far as I can see, doesn't appear after 1914 when he was in Kirkwood Street, and a Blacksmith.
I omitted to put the name of the wife down - Gertrude.
Cheers
KHP
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1919 - John West, Pollen Street, Blacksmith, and there is Nancy May West at the same address.
NZ Marriages:
1918/1638 - Nancy May BORROWS to John WEST
She is on the Burial Locator CD as died in 1939. Buried at Totara Park, Thames in a single plot.
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I could do this but probably not until much later this month.......
Absolutely no urgency. He's beginning to look like a red herring goose chase :-)
Regards
Beg
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There is still a John West in Thames in 1928.....so yes does look like another dead end
Thanks to everyone for assistance so far
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Absolutely no urgency. He's beginning to look like a red heering goose chase :-)
Regards
Beg
Run Beg run
Bother the goose got away
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There is still a John West in Thames in 1928
Is he listed later than 1928. Electoral rolls were not always updated in time ( straw --> clutch )
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Hi Janette... am very familiar with wild geese and red herrings. I don't really need a photo too :)
Regards
Beg
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1919 - John West, Pollen Street, Blacksmith, and there is Nancy May West at the same address.
NZ Marriages:
1918/1638 - Nancy May BORROWS to John WEST
Regards
Beg
Emily Rangiteireao Bradshaw (Reply # 51) married a John Horace Blanchard Borrows
Cheers
KHP
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Re reply #63......
Death notice for John West [1970] sent by PM.
[Copy sent to Beg]....
Minniehaha.
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Death notice for John West [1970] sent by PM.
[Copy sent to Beg]....
... and it confirms I was on a wild goose chase.... bit of a nuisance :-)
Thanks Minnie :)
Regards
Beg
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In this case a negative is a positive Beg. :)
Minniehaha.
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In this case a negative is a positive
Remind me not to let you near any electrical re-wiring work :)
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Hello today1...
...he had a whole album filled with photos taken in fiji...very old
Did it look as if the Fijian photos were taken during wartime. For what it's worth, it looks like the only NZ troops in Fiji were 3rd Division, 2 NZEF. (http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz//tm/scholarly/tei-WH2IP-Gunn-t1-body1-d1.html)
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I've asked about the uniform on a military forum. One forum member (Atilla) noted that...
[...] the collar badges are generic and typical of those worn by NZ Artillery and NZ Engineers
[...] the jacket is not a battle dress as they did not have brass buttons or collar badges. As such it is likely to be the old style Service Dress jacket which was commonly issued to home service troops during WW2.
[...] If I were to take a guess I would say [he was] Home service Artillery/Coastal defence.
In reply #57 you said...
What I will do, is take a copy of the photo and with an explanation letter send it in to the army personnel records people and see what they may be able to come up ....last i heard it was years wait
I reckon that's the best course of action until another avenue presents itself.
If you don't have it, here is the NZDF info link with postal details...
General enquiries about other medals awarded to you or a family member
http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/info/forms.html#gen (http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/info/forms.html#gen)
The reason I'm giving a Medals link is that the Home Service were eligible for the NZ War Medal. There seem to be no surviving nominal rolls of the Home Guard so medal recipients seems like the best (only?) option. Hopefully John HARDY was eligible for and claimed his medal.
Print out the photo and give the "known" info (e.g John HARDY of Petone, Home Guard, died 29 Nov 1966).
The link says turnaround is four months so there's no time like the present to get doing :-)
Regards
Beg
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In this case a negative is a positive
Remind me not to let you near any electrical re-wiring work :)
Thanks for that Beg. However I must admit there have been times when I have had my wires crossed on Rootschat....... ;D :P
Minniehaha.
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In this case a negative is a positive
Remind me not to let you near any electrical re-wiring work :)
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Hello today1...
...he had a whole album filled with photos taken in fiji...very old
Did it look as if the Fijian photos were taken during wartime. For what it's worth, it looks like the only NZ troops in Fiji were 3rd Division, 2 NZEF. (http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz//tm/scholarly/tei-WH2IP-Gunn-t1-body1-d1.html)
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I've asked about the uniform on a military forum. One forum member (Atilla) noted that...
[...] the collar badges are generic and typical of those worn by NZ Artillery and NZ Engineers
[...] the jacket is not a battle dress as they did not have brass buttons or collar badges. As such it is likely to be the old style Service Dress jacket which was commonly issued to home service troops during WW2.
[...] If I were to take a guess I would say [he was] Home service Artillery/Coastal defence.
In reply #57 you said...
What I will do, is take a copy of the photo and with an explanation letter send it in to the army personnel records people and see what they may be able to come up ....last i heard it was years wait
I reckon that's the best course of action until another avenue presents itself.
If you don't have it, here is the NZDF info link with postal details...
General enquiries about other medals awarded to you or a family member
http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/info/forms.html#gen (http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/info/forms.html#gen)
The reason I'm giving a Medals link is that the Home Service were eligible for the NZ War Medal. There seem to be no surviving nominal rolls of the Home Guard so medal recipients seems like the best (only?) option. Hopefully John HARDY was eligible for and claimed his medal.
Print out the photo and give the "known" info (e.g John HARDY of Petone, Home Guard, died 29 Nov 1966).
The link says turnaround is four months so there's no time like the present to get doing :-)
Regards
Beg
Thank you Beg, the fiji info is really interesting and I am doing some looking around on the internet in that area, for british/aust/nz troops there during WW1, I could be mistaken however seems to me the photos were pre 1940s. I recall when i ordered my fathers records I emailed them, so I have sent off the photos and all the available information I have with a further explanation including the fiji possibility and we will see what comes back. Will post on here what or whether anything has come of it. In appreciation to yourself and others.
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Moderator comment: Could I ask that people refrain from using quotes-within-quotes as doing so makes the post very hard to read and any new information difficult to see.
It is best to refer to previous information by referring to the reply number, i.e. 'In response to Reply#5...'
Spades
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In response to reply 77. I guess you mean what i did above and yes, got it :)
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In this case a negative is a positive
Remind me not to let you near any electrical re-wiring work :)
Thanks for that Beg. However I must admit there have been times when I have had my wires crossed on Rootschat....... ;D :P
Minniehaha.
Hahahaha haven't we all ;D ;D