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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: helxx on Sunday 01 January 17 23:49 GMT (UK)
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Evening all,
I'm hoping for some advice or help with getting further back with my x5 great grandfather George Barker please. He was baptised in Cheadle in 1751 and died in 1815.
My problem is, there were 2 George Barker's baptised in March 1751, within a few days of each other. One was the son of Thomas and Hannah and the other the son of George and Ann.
Is this one brick wall I'll never break down?
I look forward to any replies.
Thanks, Helen
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Hi Helen
Just a minor suggestion -- It might be useful for you if a name were in your heading.
In a similar situation I would follow back on both lines and see if there was something that connected one to my folk -- such as repeating children's names in future gens. Or obvious death of one of the children baptised etc. or family moving to china or some such. ;D
Kind regards
phenolphthalein
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You could also see if the occupation of the sons followed that of the fathers.
Also. did either of them leave a will? The children may be mentioned in them, hopefully.
What about the fathers of the two George's wives? They too may have left wills and mentioned their sons in law, or their grandchildren which you could match up.
Good luck!
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Not sure that this will work, but you could try to group all Barker baptisms in Cheadle that could be siblings and try to track their marriage and children forwards to the 1851 census to see if their residence separates them (1841 is often not specific enough, but you might get lucky). I notice George buried in 1815, his abode was Moberley (sic) = Mobberley. Do the baptisms provide abode?
Best wishes
Dion
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I don't wish to sound negative, but it's possible that neither baptism is the right one. The age on his burial record might not be accurate, or he may have been born in another parish. With a common name it's hard to be sure. Your best hope is if he's named in a relative's will.
I have a similar situation with a John Hopkins on my family. I've come to accept that I'll probably never know who his parents are.
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Sometimes working forward instead of backwards works for me. Look at other baptisms at that church for both sets of parents so that you find possible siblings for your George. Then look for marriages of these siblings in that area, their children's baptisms, marriages etc until you can either discount them or they fit into your tree. It doesn't always work but sometimes proving someone isn't who you are looking for is as useful as finding someone who is.
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Just checking this is Cheadle in Staffordshire? - you have posted it on the Staffs board.
There is also a Cheadle in Cheshire. Dionysus has found a burial of a George Baker in Mobberley - which is 10 miles from Cheadle, Cheshire, but 45 miles from Cheadle Staffordshire.
This will make a difference as to which set of wills you might look at, although both Cheshire and Staffordshire wills (Staffordshire ones come under the Lichfield set), are on findmypast now.
You could also try looking on National Archives Discovery to see if there is any mention of them there.
Of course Thomas and George, who both had a son named George in 1751, could both be the sons of their father George ............... Have you looked for any other children for Thomas and George, and then calculated a rough year for both Thomas and George's births?
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Thanks for all the replies :)
I traced all the potential siblings for both George Barker's a while back but not yet found marriages for both sets of parents. I've not yet traced marriages for the potential siblings though yet so I shall do that next.
I agree wills will be the best thing to find but I haven't been successful with these so far.
Goldie, yes, I do mean Cheadle, Staffs. I know there is a Mobberley in Cheshire but there is also a Mobberley on the edge of Cheadle, Staffs. It's tiny with only a few houses. It's only a 10 min walk away from my house. The Barker family home in Mobberley was known as 'Raddlestitch or Raddlestick' There is a property in Mobberley today called Raddlestitch farm...but the owner annoyingly seemed unsure 're the age of property but I was thrilled all the same to see the name sign!
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I'm also stuck with the 2 Georges of 1751. There is also a death of a George the next year.
George bapt 1751 was son og George who married Ann Murphin in 1732 at Caverswall. The other George was son of Thomas & Hannah - this Thomas was son of Alexander bapt cc 1702.
Alec Barker
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Hi Alec,
It's great to hear there's someone else out there with the same predicament! Thanks also re George and Ann's marriage and Thomas' father.
Yes, I've seen the death of George Barker in 1752. I've assumed this is Ann's husband as there are no further baptised children for George and Ann after 1751. Also, if it was a child being buried, it would of being written as ' George Barker, son of .... and.... the same as other child deaths were recorded in the Cheadle register at this time.
Annoyingly, I can only trace forward the 1 George Barker born in 1751 and not the other one????!
Do you descend from a child of George Barker?
Thanks again for the reply.
Helen
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I can get back with some certainty to William and Rebekah living at Upper Tean. I am descended from their son Thomas Barker bapt 1827 who married Sarah Goodall. Williams death Certificate dated 9th Feb 1853 gives his age as 64 years. This enabled me to eliminate several other possible Williams' and put him as the son of George bapt Cheadle in 1751.
Unfortunately, there are two Georges baptised in March 1751 -so what follows is guesswork. One was the son of George and Ann the other of Thomas and Hannah. Thomas was a taylor age 34 and a widower when he married by Licence in 1737. He was baptised 27 June 1702 the son of Alexander.
The other George bapt 1751 was the son of George and Ann who I think were married in 1732 as there is a child Mary bapt in 1733. This latter George was bapt in 1710 and his father was Ralph also known as Radi or Radulphus son of Thomas. 33.
By the way 'Ireland' is a place called The Island - where William and Rebecca lived.
I have a poor transcript of Cheadle Parish Registers as it gives no witnesses. Recently 'family search' have included earlier records of Cheadle on their site going back into the1600.
How are you related to William & Rebecca ?.
Regards
Alec
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Hi Alec,
I descend from William and Rebekah's son John, who was born on the 29th Jul 1822 and baptised at Checkley on the 25th Aug 1822. He married Sarah Whieldon on the 13 Sep 1856 at Alton.
I also have William and Rebekah/Rebecca's death certs.
You mention having a poor transcript of Cheadle parish registers as it gives no witnesses. What do you mean by this?
I didn't know familysearch now has entries dating back to the 1600s. I shall have a look at that, so thank you!
I'm currently having a good look at all the children of George and Ann and Thomas and Hannah.... hopefully we can knock down our brick wall one day!
Best Regards
Helen
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The image for William (tape weaver) and Rebekah's marriage is available on FindMyPast - 29 November 1813 at Checkley. Rebekah's name has been transcribed as Rebeka Wood. Both made their mark, and the witnesses were William Hall (possibly a church official) and John Walton, both said to be of Checkley.
Added: it is under "Staffordshire Banns" rather than "Staffordshire Marriages" :-\
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Hi BumbleB,
Yes, I've seen their marriage entry. I think you're right about William Hall being a church official as his name is on quite a few marriage entries. Thanks for looking though. Any chance you know who George Barker's parents were? lol x
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Sorry - I have no connections with the Barker family, or even Staffordshire (other than I live in the county). :D
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Aww, yes I know, I've just noticed you're a regular poster and super helpful on here!
Thanks again :)